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Speaker 1: I don't know entertainment. Put on your dance and shit,

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Speaker 1: don't give me your fast shots.

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Speaker 2: Deputy header at the Daily Oz.

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Speaker 1: You'll find Emma on Instagram at m Gillespie. She is

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Speaker 1: here now you'll find her with us.

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Speaker 2: Good morninging. Well let's talk about Lizzo. So tell us

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Speaker 2: the story that has broken about Lizzo. Just the background

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Speaker 2: to this before we even get to that, is that

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Speaker 2: she was in Australia recently. Everyone I know who saw

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Speaker 2: her or took their kids to see her said that

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Speaker 2: she is this breath of fresh air in terms of

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Speaker 2: body inclusivity, in terms of anti bullying, in terms of kindness.

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Speaker 2: Everyone loved her.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she was here very recently headlined Splendor in the Grass,

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Speaker 1: did a run of stadium shows and then, you know,

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Speaker 1: probably seconds after she left the country, this story broke

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday morning. I think it was internationally acclaimed pop star,

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned, Amanda, famous for her brand of positivity,

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Speaker 1: and she's dealing with this lawsuit, these really shocking kind

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Speaker 1: of allegation that have been leveled at her by three

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Speaker 1: of her former dancers. They've accused her of Essentially, it

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Speaker 1: all stems from creating a hostile work environment. That's kind

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Speaker 1: of the theme. And then beneath that, we've got these

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Speaker 1: sexual harassment claims, that shaming allegations.

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Speaker 2: That she's that shamed them, Yeah, and that the sexual

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Speaker 2: misconduct was that she took them to a strip club

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Speaker 2: and insisted that they participate in a certain way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So they were in Amsterdam, and she apparently took

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Speaker 1: the team to a sex show in Amsterdam, something that

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Speaker 1: if you've been there, the city is famous for team

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Speaker 1: bonding and bonding team bondage, and apparently she sort of

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Speaker 1: asked or pushed the dancers to touch some of the

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Speaker 1: performers inappropriately. They were there's something in the lawsuit about

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Speaker 1: eating bananas from near genitals and it's all very kind.

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Speaker 2: Of hell of a fruit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. But there are two other defendants named in

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Speaker 1: the lawsuit, and that's Lizzo's dance team captain, her name's

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Speaker 1: Shirlene Quigley, and the touring company that Lizzo owns, who

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Speaker 1: are responsible for her productions and her tours and her shows.

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Speaker 1: So they've also been included. But I think that you know,

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Speaker 1: people are saying it's not just Lizzo who is named

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Speaker 1: in this lawsuit, but essentially the culture kind of comes

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Speaker 1: from the top down, right. She is the person with

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Speaker 1: the money, the fame, the influence, the power, and if

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Speaker 1: there is a toxic workplace, if these allegations are true,

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Speaker 1: then you know you have to look to her as

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Speaker 1: being kind of the point person for being responsible for this.

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Speaker 2: Sounds very much like the Ellen story, Yes, where Ellen was.

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Speaker 2: We're all told Ellen's not the nice person you think

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Speaker 2: she is. So I wonder if if this wasn't Lizzo's brand,

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Speaker 2: this wouldn't hurt so hard. It'd just be well, she's

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Speaker 2: a tough task muster on the road, a bit of

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Speaker 2: a weirdo exactly.

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Speaker 1: Well, fans are really really distressed about this because of

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Speaker 1: that synonymous message of positivity, of body positivity, of inclusivity.

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Speaker 1: You know, she's got this television show that one an

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Speaker 1: Emmy Cold Watch Out for the Big Girls, and the

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Speaker 1: whole show is about celebrating plus size women of color

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Speaker 1: and dancers and seeing women move in a way that

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Speaker 1: you know, other people haven't seen women who look like

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Speaker 1: that move before it, and that's been so enormously progressive

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Speaker 1: for the entire dance industry.

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Speaker 2: Allegedly, here she is telling him to go on diets, Yes,

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Speaker 2: so she was fat shaming.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't because they're not fat enough.

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Speaker 2: So she's fat.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of like complicated nuance in the claims

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Speaker 1: about fat shaming, and even the plaintiffs themselves have sort

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Speaker 1: of said it might not read like fat shaming or

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Speaker 1: sound like fat shaming to you, but there's sort of

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Speaker 1: little comments over time been too sensitive about this.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: I think some of the some of it's great, but

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Speaker 1: some of the suit details are quite damning. Like there's

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Speaker 1: this one about a surprise audition that dancers who had

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Speaker 1: already been hired for a job to tour with Lizo

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Speaker 1: were apparently put through this on the spot audition to

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Speaker 1: keep their jobs, and during that time, one of the

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Speaker 1: dancers in the lawsuit says that she soiled herself because

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Speaker 1: she was made to feel as though she couldn't take

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Speaker 1: a bathroom break because Lizzo had sort of said that

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Speaker 1: your jobs are all on the line kind of a thing,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's pretty uncomfortable.

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Speaker 2: It's terrible. What impact do you think this will have

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Speaker 2: because Lizzo's brand is very important in the way that

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Speaker 2: she sells herself.

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Speaker 1: It's disappointing. I think the overwhelming feeling is disappointment. And

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Speaker 1: this is obviously going to stay with Lizo whether or

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Speaker 1: not it's true. You know, well, that remains to be seen.

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Speaker 1: It's a civil lawsuit, it's not a criminal case. She's

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Speaker 1: being sued and she has defended herself, she has denied

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Speaker 1: the allegations, but it will be with her forever now.

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Speaker 1: I think how she handles it from here is going

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Speaker 1: to be really influential in what comes next for her.

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Speaker 1: But you know, it's women who would never have otherwise

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Speaker 1: been allowed into the dance industry because of their bodies

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Speaker 1: or their skin color now have careers, now are professional dancers,

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Speaker 1: and I hope that you know for them that the

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Speaker 1: progress that's been made is still feels legitimate. And I

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Speaker 1: think there are two things that can be true. You know,

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Speaker 1: maybe Lizzo is a narcissist. Maybe she is it an

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Speaker 1: awful person who bred an awful culture, But maybe she

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Speaker 1: also believes in the progress and the positivity that she pushes.

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Speaker 1: And you know, if that is true, and if she

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Speaker 1: does believe that, then it doesn't necessarily take away from

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Speaker 1: the way people feel when they hear her music.

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Speaker 2: Or does she win the pr war through all of this, well,

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Speaker 2: that's all I have to see.

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Speaker 1: And I got accused of soiling myself and dancing with

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Speaker 1: the stars, but it was just the wad danced.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're in the green room.

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Speaker 1: It was just a sweaty guy.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Checking around at the daily, coming

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Speaker 2: up to eight o'clock