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Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was, and with

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Speaker 1: us this morning, we've got the Colps, Mary Claire Boothby,

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Speaker 1: good morning.

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Speaker 2: To you, Good morning Katie, and to your listeners.

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Speaker 3: Nine News, Darwin's Kathleen Gazola.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Kathleen, Independent, Kezia Puric, good morning to.

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Speaker 3: You, morning Katie, Morning Bush people.

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Speaker 1: And we've got Nicole Madison from the Labor Party and

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Speaker 1: the Deputy Chief Minister.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Good.

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Speaker 4: Morning Katie, good morning, Happy.

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Speaker 3: Friday, Friday, all the girls.

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Speaker 1: And it's not even International Women's Day yet.

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Speaker 3: It's where in early Yes.

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Speaker 1: That's right, So what a fantastic time, What a fantastic time.

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Speaker 3: Really for all the women to be on the panel.

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Speaker 1: Now let's talk about Let's talk about the flooding firstly,

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Speaker 1: and we know that the Australian Defense Force is going

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Speaker 1: to be providing aircraft and personnel. Well that was a

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Speaker 1: little bit earlier in the week to assist with the

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Speaker 1: evacuation of hundreds of residents from flooded remote communities in

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory. Matter, how are things going at this point.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been a hell of a lot of work.

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Speaker 5: So a big thanks to all of our amazing place

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Speaker 5: the Education Staff, the Defense Forces, our Territory Families Team

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Speaker 5: because they coordinate a lot of the welfare response, the

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Speaker 4: To assess houses, para and water.

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Speaker 5: They always play a big part in these things too,

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Speaker 5: and we've had some private mustering services as well played

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Speaker 5: an amazing role in assisting with the response. But it's

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Speaker 5: pretty tough for people. I mean, we've seen floodwaters come through.

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Speaker 5: We're talking about six hundred people from kal Karingi, Dargaragi,

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Speaker 5: Pigeonhole who are having to come into Darwin that have

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Speaker 5: had their houses severely affected, their livelihood severely affected, and

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Speaker 5: we'll be working with them to try to get them

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Speaker 4: But so far everyone's been very cooperative.

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Speaker 5: We've seen all tiers of government working together well and

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Speaker 5: I just thank everybody for all their hard work on

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Speaker 1: And at this point in time are staying at the

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Speaker 3: How's it determined sort of who's where?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're the we're going to be putting everybody out

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Speaker 5: so if something goes wrong there, you've got somewhere else

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Speaker 5: also to take people to. We have done upgrades to

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Speaker 5: appreciate that. You know, if you've lost everything and you

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Speaker 5: these situations, you literally see a whole bunch of people

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Speaker 5: you know you just need you'd like to take care

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Speaker 4: So it's great to be working with defense.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely and look at is it's good to see the

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Speaker 1: idea though, I suppose at this point, because we know

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Speaker 1: that Howard Springs was quite expensive to have people staying

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Speaker 3: You know, the flood evacuees there.

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Speaker 5: I haven't got the costings here, but of course there's

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Speaker 4: But that's part of being in government.

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Speaker 5: You've got to take care of people in emergency response

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Speaker 4: Would that be cover bait and g or the fence?

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Speaker 5: Generally, it depends on the situation with the emergency. We

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Speaker 6: The other thing too about it, apart from evacuating people,

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Speaker 6: I know the managers out there and they've got a

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Speaker 6: any staff they've got probably got about into up to thirty.

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Speaker 5: And they have been speaking to the caves stations to

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Speaker 6: And it's about moving the cattle around getting too high

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Speaker 5: And just the other thing is I haven't had the

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Speaker 4: What's going on.

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Speaker 5: But we have also been keeping an eye on the Barkley, yeah,

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Speaker 5: we're keeping an eye on the MacArthur River too. But basically,

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Speaker 1: And we're also speaking yesterday to Louise Blato from the

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Speaker 1: Well last year the beginning of last year, we saw

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Speaker 4: Roads to make it longer.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes you need to leave it just that little bit

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Speaker 7: I just want to raise a couple of questions on

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Speaker 2: But besides that point, I just.

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Speaker 7: Wonder we have a lot of emergency crisises at the moment,

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Speaker 7: why can't we have the same response for these kind

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess you know, it's after the situation in

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Speaker 1: So I certainly, you know, I take on board the

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Speaker 3: Though in that sense.

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Speaker 7: In my lecture A, in Palmerston, there is rough sleepers

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Speaker 2: That's one part of it.

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Speaker 1: Is it something that the government's ever considered matter? I

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Speaker 5: So firstly, I just want to give people assurances that

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Speaker 5: when you have a look at what we've got out

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Speaker 2: But there are some rough sleepers now than ever before.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so we've got that accommodation there and it is

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Speaker 5: prior to COVID about what we could do with it.

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Speaker 5: It is a very very big facility. As we know,

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Speaker 1: All Right, we are going to move along because there

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Speaker 5: And firstly, I just want to say a big thanks

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Speaker 5: Since we have come to government, we have made sure

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Speaker 4: We've boosted the budget by one hundred and twenty million dollar.

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Speaker 1: Are they then, manow because we keep hearing this over

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Speaker 5: So so but what I will say is that we

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Speaker 1: Get these the police saying that they need three hundred

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Speaker 8: I mean, we estimary admission for so long we've put

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Speaker 5: There's been a huge amount of recruitment through that time,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a good thing, Like that's obviously a

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Speaker 1: good thing that we've got those constables being recruited. But

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Speaker 4: Doubt about that.

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Speaker 5: I just listen and to mister McHugh on another station

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Speaker 5: that as well. They're finding that nationally there is an

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Speaker 3: No doubt about that.

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Speaker 5: But they are going to be coming together to have

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Speaker 1: So are you saying we don't need an extra three

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Speaker 5: We will always work to give police the resources that

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Speaker 4: We've got.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that the Northern Territory government's got their

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Speaker 1: We're over the last decade, you've seen a thirty percent

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: The whole time we've been in government, we've backed them

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Speaker 1: So are you going to listen to them now when

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Speaker 5: I have always sat down and listened to our police

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Speaker 7: Nicole, you say that you've given them, you know, the budget,

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Speaker 7: So you have literally dismantled the police force one step

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Speaker 7: The Police Minister's position now is untenable. I mean the

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Speaker 6: I don't necesarily discreet with you, Mark Chair, but I

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Speaker 6: One is it's one thing to say for the assistant

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Speaker 6: question is, or these that should be noticed? Why why

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Speaker 6: And the reason is quite simply, we have such a

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Speaker 6: And Nicole's quite right. I heard at the interview also

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Speaker 6: about the Army is going to go on a massive recruitment. Now,

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Speaker 6: the kind of person my understanding, who joins a police

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Speaker 2: The outcomes are just not there though, and people know that.

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Speaker 2: I agree with Katie.

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Speaker 7: It feels like you've just given up because you run

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Speaker 1: With the five hundred million dollar infrastructure spend the Deputy

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Speaker 1: part of it, And he's said that there's old dilapidated structure.

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Speaker 6: I haven't seen any firsthand, but I'm sure there is

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Speaker 9: It goes to the Marale too, you knowpmen out bush.

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Speaker 6: But there probably is a big need to improve the

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Speaker 9: I mean, we've just.

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Speaker 8: Seen that multimillion dollar police station at Nightcliff built that

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Speaker 1: Well, the same thing is is that at the moment

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Speaker 1: it won't be different towards police.

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Speaker 5: So what we do have with the federal government though,

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Speaker 1: Term set around one in time we are going to

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Speaker 5: I tell you what, we always look at what we

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Speaker 3: But do you be fighting for the police in the

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Speaker 5: I think everybody knows my position on that, Katie. They

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Speaker 5: I'm the daughter of somebody you served thirty years in

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Speaker 5: the Northern Territory Police and I will always back in

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Speaker 5: our place.

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Speaker 1: Do the other cabinet members feel the same, yes, I hope.

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Speaker 1: So all right, let's take a bit of a break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O FORTNIGHTE. We've just

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Speaker 1: joined us. It is an all female lineup this morning.

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Speaker 1: We've got Murray Claire Boothby, Kathleen Gazola, Kezia Puric and

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Speaker 1: Nicole Manison. And I won't turn on Kezy as microphone

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Speaker 1: yet because I can see her chatting away still over there.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 1: I do want to just talk about the fact that

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Speaker 1: we learned earlier in the week that Quantus is cutting

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Speaker 1: seats in Alice Springs or for the Central Australia region.

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Speaker 1: We've spoken to the CEO of Tourism Central Australia, Daniel

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Speaker 1: Rochford earlier in the week who confirmed thirty thousand seats

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Speaker 1: across a period of time. We also know that he'd

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Speaker 1: said that you know, their concerns in as well about

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Speaker 1: the cost affairs, and he is really calling on Mano

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Speaker 1: and I know you are the Tourism Minister for there

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Speaker 1: to be talks with either Rex or Bonzer.

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Speaker 4: But there are talks with and bonds are.

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Speaker 1: So we sat down with Bonza since since Quanta's made

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Speaker 1: that announcement.

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Speaker 5: So we've been talking to Bonza and Rex for some time, Katie.

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Speaker 5: So we've got dedicated public servants within our department that

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Speaker 5: are there about airline attraction, so as well as Rex

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Speaker 5: and BONSA. Of course we've kept the conversations going in

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Speaker 5: about Singapore and replacement lines there, and when we get

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Speaker 5: interests shown by other airlines, we go in and we

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Speaker 5: have good talks to them. But again I always say Quantus,

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Speaker 5: you know fair go the northern territories in your name,

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Speaker 5: territories deserve good service. I do welcome the fars that

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Speaker 5: they've done for the people of Central Australia to die

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Speaker 5: and end to Adelaide, because we know that Centralians have

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Speaker 5: a very close relationship with Adelaide and Virgin's got the

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Speaker 5: same thing going. However, when they reduce capacity significantly for us,

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Speaker 5: so for us, what that means is that it has

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Speaker 5: a bigger impact here. And at the moment, he does

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Speaker 5: know that they're international. They're telling us it because international

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Speaker 5: visitors have not gone back to what they used to be.

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Speaker 5: They're telling us all up capacity when we can see

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Speaker 5: that happening. But from what I can see about the

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Speaker 5: quantus priorities at the moment and Virgin is that they're

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Speaker 5: very focused on the East Coast. They're focused on competing

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Speaker 5: with Rex, they are focused on trying to get more

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Speaker 5: of their planes out onto the international markets and of

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Speaker 5: course the big Golden triangle of Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane.

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Speaker 1: I guess something is though they can't fly empty, you know.

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Speaker 1: And the whole point is is that we need people

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Speaker 1: back to go to Alice Springs and the crime crisis

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Speaker 1: has not helped.

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Speaker 8: When it costs as much to fly from Darwin Alice

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Speaker 8: Springs as it is to go to Europe.

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Speaker 1: What like, Well, that's exactly right at the moment, it's

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Speaker 1: appalling the cost. But I do want to just say

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Speaker 1: that we also know that one of Australia's largest charter

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Speaker 1: and tour bus companies operating in Central Australia's pulled its

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Speaker 1: business out of Alla Springs as well. So ATG down

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Speaker 1: Under is going to cease operating in Central Australia and

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Speaker 1: relocate its assets to Darwin.

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Speaker 3: We are due to catch up with the couple of operators.

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Speaker 1: Out of Central Australia after ten o'clock this morning.

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Speaker 3: But thought there was all these bookings, Yes.

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Speaker 5: And you know that is the feedback that we're getting

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Speaker 5: on the ground is happening, the feedback from that company.

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Speaker 5: It's actually a range of different factors that have led

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Speaker 5: to that decision, and including some other matters that they've got,

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Speaker 5: but not a.

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Speaker 3: Very included quantus decision.

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Speaker 5: All the prime No, so that's not the advice I had.

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Speaker 5: So we're also very confident that the work that they

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Speaker 5: were doing will be picked up by some of the

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Speaker 5: other strong operators that we've got in Central Australia, so

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Speaker 5: that will help build their businesses as well. But again

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Speaker 5: like we've just had. I just caught up with Pachma

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Speaker 5: this week. They're really looking forward to the big show

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Speaker 5: that they will be putting on. Of course, we've got

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Speaker 5: that new world class drone show that will be starting

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Speaker 5: on the first of May out at Ularoo. We've got

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Speaker 5: the Bruce Munroe light installation at King's Canyon that's coming in,

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Speaker 5: so there's some really great product coming into the market.

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Speaker 3: Bonds are and Rex. Have you met with them yourself.

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Speaker 5: I have not had a direct meeting with BONSA and Rex.

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Speaker 5: We have because I've got my public servants that are

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Speaker 5: in there having those conversations.

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Speaker 1: Don't you reckon it potentially push them along to have

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Speaker 1: the Tourism Minister go maybe.

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Speaker 5: You know it's my intention to sit down with them,

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Speaker 5: But at the moment I've absolutely had the whip out

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Speaker 5: to the department to say go hunt down these people.

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Speaker 4: Make sure that we're putting the case them.

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Speaker 5: The Airport Development Group have also been putting the case

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Speaker 5: to them, and so has Tourism Central Australia. And of

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Speaker 5: course we've also seen the old Springstown Council have those

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Speaker 5: conversations with them. But we were very keen to see

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Speaker 5: some new entrants into the market and more competition.

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Speaker 1: How far advanced are the talks with the likes of

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Speaker 1: bonds are and rexs Because you'd said to me just

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Speaker 1: a moment ago that the public servants have met with them,

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Speaker 1: how far advanced are these talks.

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Speaker 5: We've had some interesting discussions with them about what they're

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Speaker 5: looking to do. Clearly they're more East Coast focused, but

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Speaker 5: we're putting the case to them about why we think

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Speaker 5: they should come to the Northern Territory and you know,

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Speaker 5: trying to make sure that we look at it make

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Speaker 5: it look as attractive as possible for them. So we're

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Speaker 5: certainly having those conversations. And as to other important stakeholders

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Speaker 5: as well.

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Speaker 7: Katie Bonza was quoted in the Anti News that and

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Speaker 7: their quote is we need commercial terms in place with

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Speaker 7: Territory airports that allow us to support the wider community

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Speaker 7: and the tourism industry. And we know that if for

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Speaker 7: Territory Airports to be able to provide that, they need

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Speaker 7: a growing economy here in the Northern Territory. They need

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Speaker 7: a population which is growing and thriving, not decreasing, and

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Speaker 7: they need major projects to be underway, not just the

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Speaker 7: futuristic talk. So I like with Quantas pulling out all

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Speaker 7: those flights like that, it's incredibly disappointing, incredibly frustrating, But

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Speaker 7: I actually understand why that is happening. I mean, they

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Speaker 7: are a corporate like other corporates like Bonzai and the

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Speaker 7: others that want to come here. But we need to

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Speaker 7: be able to give them an environment in which they

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Speaker 7: can sustain the flights in and out.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and it all goes to supply and demand, doesn't

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Speaker 8: it If there's no one that really wants to go

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Speaker 8: to Alice Springs partly because of the issues that.

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Speaker 9: Are on the ground.

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Speaker 8: I mean, you will all our springs and you see

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Speaker 8: all that national coverage of the issues that face down there.

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Speaker 8: I mean, yes, that alcohol bands have come back, and

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Speaker 8: there's that investment coming from the federal government, but at

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Speaker 8: the end of the day, there's still that crime issue

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Speaker 8: that was there prior to stronger futures ending.

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Speaker 5: And we're marketing hard. I've announced a range of other

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Speaker 5: missions to go into that.

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Speaker 3: It's about making sure people are safe when they.

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Speaker 5: Get there, but I'm also going to tell the good

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Speaker 5: stories because it can tell you now that most people

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Speaker 5: that go to Ali Springs and go to Central Australia

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Speaker 5: are going to have a magnificent experience and things.

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Speaker 9: But obviously the bad things are to be the pressure.

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Speaker 5: We have announced extra marketing money, extra events money. We're

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Speaker 5: going in harder on top of our other campaigns that

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Speaker 5: we've got there.

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Speaker 7: But in our cloring back a reputational damage, I mean,

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Speaker 7: Alice Springs was in the headlines for all the wrong

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Speaker 7: reasons right across Australia for weeks.

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Speaker 1: You know, like the damage Telegraph had a huge campaign

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Speaker 1: even earlier this week.

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Speaker 5: So it's still eat But again this is why we've

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Speaker 5: gone out. We're putting in extra resources in there when

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Speaker 5: it comes to tourism marketing there because again we want

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Speaker 5: to make sure that tourism is a really important part

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Speaker 5: of the economy there and that we keep that going.

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Speaker 3: Kiz, you haven't had a good chance to get on

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Speaker 3: the mind jet.

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Speaker 6: It's cole Minister microphone.

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Speaker 10: Not only sorry, not only did I lose pinch, I've

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Speaker 10: been devastated ever since in January.

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Speaker 6: And when you pinch punch, it's.

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Speaker 3: This on this situation with with Quantus.

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Speaker 6: Well, look, Quantus is a commercial company. They're a publicly

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Speaker 6: listed company. They have to do what's good for their

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Speaker 6: shareholder's bottom line. So if they're pulling out flights or

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Speaker 6: seats from going to our springs or going via our springs,

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Speaker 6: well it's done on commercial basis. But I think again,

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Speaker 6: apart from the people being moved around and coming in

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Speaker 6: and out of the territory, there's a whole lot of

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Speaker 6: freight that comes in and out on those planes, and

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Speaker 6: that's that concerns me because that can be disadvantaged. Now

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Speaker 6: Alice wouldn't have probably fresh produce.

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Speaker 5: We get that conversation with you on the say that

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Speaker 5: it's also the fate that makes it less attractive as well.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, because it's a business, but it's behold upon the government,

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Speaker 6: and obviously they're starting to do things with this. I

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Speaker 6: just google this Bonzo mob Bonza who calls areline bonsa Seriously.

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Speaker 3: Well, they're so. I was in Cans when they first

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Speaker 3: took off.

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Speaker 1: So when they first their first flight took off, which

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Speaker 1: was just earlier this year, and and it was so

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Speaker 1: cheap to be able to You can fly from Cans

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Speaker 1: to Mackay for like sixty seventy bucks.

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Speaker 3: It's very cheap.

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Speaker 1: And look, I don't it's certainly yes, and we certainly

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Speaker 1: not high brow flying. But do you know if get

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Speaker 1: you there and you're safe, who cares the sunshine?

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Speaker 3: Well it will be good to well.

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Speaker 6: Government's in discussion with that kind of airline is get

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Speaker 6: them to bunny Hop down. The Milk Run again to

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Speaker 6: the peraps Os Null and boy Ye Jebry is probably

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Speaker 6: a bit too small, but some of those place to

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Speaker 6: get a package.

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Speaker 8: And I mean initially with the Milk Run when it

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Speaker 8: first came back with that was subsidized by the Colp government.

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Speaker 8: So I mean the Tourism Central Australia came up with

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Speaker 8: that strategy of where south Western Australia currently does a

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Speaker 8: subsidy program, So what was it.

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Speaker 9: About that that the government's not key on.

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Speaker 5: So it is a very expensive model, but we know

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Speaker 5: it's something that is a big cost of living issue

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Speaker 5: for people in Central Australia, so you know, we keep

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Speaker 5: having a look at ways we can do it. It

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Speaker 5: would be something where I think you'd have to look

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Speaker 5: at all remote communities in the Northern Territory to acknowledge that.

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Speaker 5: But with the with the Milk Run, we still do

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Speaker 5: subsidize that and that unfortunately, you know it's been a

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Speaker 5: model that we've really struggled to see commercialize. But it's

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Speaker 5: still a really important service to have available to people.

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Speaker 7: When you have a giant billion, there's not much there

651
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Speaker 7: left to be able to fund this sort of thing

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Speaker 7: makes it very difficult.

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Speaker 6: Well, you said earlier, I know you look like you

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Speaker 6: want to go to a breakles stuff. So I was

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Speaker 6: just going to say, you know, like you said earlier

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Speaker 6: in the piece, Quantus was obviously Queensland and Northern Territory Airway.

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Speaker 6: So if Quantus is not going to really have much

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Speaker 6: to do with the if we take the NT out

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Speaker 6: of Quantus, you left with q AS. Now, I don't

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Speaker 6: think mister Joyce would want that.

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Speaker 3: I was worried it was going to be something else.

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Speaker 3: I'm to take a very short break. You are listening

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Speaker 3: to Mix one O four nines three sixty. It is

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Speaker 3: the week that was.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nines three sixty,

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Speaker 1: and it is indeed the week that was with us

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Speaker 1: this morning, we've got Nicole Madison, Keesy Epuric, Kathleen Gazola

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Speaker 1: and Marie Claire Boothby. Now we know that the Hora

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Speaker 1: if you're a by election is obviously just a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks ago. I understand that the Electoral Commission obviously

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Speaker 1: drew the ballots.

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Speaker 3: Is that the correct way of saying it's.

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Speaker 8: Kathleen promasion of nominations?

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 3: So that all happened yesterday.

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Speaker 1: On the same day, we also know that Territory's the

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Speaker 1: Territory Labor candidate for the upcoming araf You're a by election,

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Speaker 1: had revealed that demons do continue to haunt him almost

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Speaker 1: fourteen years on from a fatal crash. Manuel Brown, the Government,

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Speaker 1: well the Labour Party's contender, i should say for the

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Speaker 1: Tewee Islands and the West Arnham seat, did release a

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Speaker 1: statement on his involvement in a crash which occurred in

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Speaker 1: Catherine quite.

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Speaker 3: A few years back.

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Speaker 1: It was after there had been a fairly explosive report

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Speaker 1: on the Anti Independent about this situation and he then

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Speaker 1: sent a statement. We got a statement from the Labor

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Speaker 1: Party through to the show yesterday. Now I know that

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Speaker 1: it does sort of raise some questions or you certainly'd

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Speaker 1: asked a question, Kathleen, I believe, at a press conference

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Speaker 1: yesterday to the Chief Minister about whether it raises questions around.

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Speaker 8: Integrity questions a post and public interest and the disclosure

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Speaker 8: of certain matters if someone has had to go through

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Speaker 8: court or has had those historical matters. So the Chief

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Speaker 8: Minister was asked whether she was a where of it

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Speaker 8: and whether mister Brown had declared it to the party,

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Speaker 8: which she confirmed both, and that she had been made

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Speaker 8: aware fully of the incident the day before when when

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Speaker 8: the report came out. But you know, she she had

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Speaker 8: a dig about the timing of that report coming out

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Speaker 8: because it was on the day of the state funeral

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Speaker 8: and obviously a very sensitive time for the families.

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Speaker 9: And you know that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 8: But then it goes to, well, then, why wasn't the

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Speaker 8: public told of this from day dot? Could have been

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Speaker 8: dealt with, could have been done and dusted, explained, and

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Speaker 8: all that kind.

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Speaker 3: Of stuff exactly.

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Speaker 8: So it goes to the whole thing of you know,

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Speaker 8: politicians hate media doing gotcha moments, and well, but did

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Speaker 8: I not come out and say it initially when he

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Speaker 8: was announced as a candidate, address it if he expected

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Speaker 8: it was going to come up, do it then.

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Speaker 1: And it's a really difficult situation because from all accounts,

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Speaker 1: so I'm told that he's a really good bloke. I

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Speaker 1: you know, I've got family that live in mad and

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Speaker 1: Greeta obviously, and I'm told that he's a really decent

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Speaker 1: candidate and a really good member of the community.

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Speaker 9: And clearly owned up to it has absolutely you know, yeah.

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Speaker 1: But I think it's it sort of goes to the

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Speaker 1: heart of light you've touched on there, Kathleen, when candidates

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Speaker 1: are announced and you know, and some of those different

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Speaker 1: you know, checks and balances when it comes to integrity,

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Speaker 1: and this is not something that is only that you know,

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Speaker 1: it's only in this situation.

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Speaker 3: We've seen it time and time again.

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Speaker 8: Something we have to go to a press conference when

728
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Speaker 8: a candidate's announced and gone, have you gone through court,

729
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Speaker 8: have you been charged, have you got a conviction?

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Speaker 9: Have you done this? And oh, well, now that you

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Speaker 9: ask that question, yes or no, I mean, well.

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Speaker 1: And you're sort of it's a really hard one in

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Speaker 1: the sense that there's never a good time to sort

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Speaker 1: of reveal any of that kind of info.

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Speaker 3: But what I will say is that, you know.

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Speaker 1: Both sides of politics do like to kick the boot

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Speaker 1: into each other in these situations. So in this situation,

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Speaker 1: it's something that obviously we're looking at a Labor candidate.

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Speaker 3: But it is not the first time that it's happened.

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Speaker 3: I know, before the.

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Speaker 1: Last Northern Territory election there's you know, it was sort

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Speaker 1: of the shoe was on the other foot. We've seen

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Speaker 1: it's even in prior.

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Speaker 8: Election guaranteed, So whenever a candidate is announced, both parties

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Speaker 8: go and have a little do as to what they

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Speaker 8: can uncover on either side.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 5: So what I will say about Manual and what I'd

749
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Speaker 5: ask people to consider is that he was involved in

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Speaker 5: a terrible accident, a terrible accident almost fifteen years ago,

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Speaker 5: a multi car accident where unfortunately he rendered assistance to

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Speaker 5: the person who ended up getting taken to hospital and

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Speaker 5: passed away in the hospital later on that day. A

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Speaker 5: terrible accident that had a big impact on him for

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Speaker 5: the rest of his life that he still lives with.

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Speaker 5: And I don't know if there have been many of

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Speaker 5: us in this room that haven't known someone who's gone

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Speaker 5: through a terrible accident in their life that hasn't had

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Speaker 5: a big impact on their life. And instead, the pathway

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Speaker 5: that Manuel's chosen to take in life has been to

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Speaker 5: make the most of every day, to be a good

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Speaker 5: person and to work hard, and he's put his hand

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Speaker 5: up for public life to do just that. He's had

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Speaker 5: to live with this for a very long time, and

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Speaker 5: like I said, I don't think that many of us

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Speaker 5: here that don't know someone who's been in a terrible

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Speaker 5: life changing accident. And I think Manuel has shown just

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Speaker 5: the grit and strength that he's got, the fact that

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Speaker 5: he is pursuing a public life and he has tried

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Speaker 5: to be a good person.

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Speaker 1: Were you were you're aware of it that name before

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Speaker 1: yesterday when the Chief Minister had found out or the

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Speaker 1: day before.

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Speaker 5: I was aware of it on the day of the

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Speaker 5: funeral as well, and I know Manuel had discussions with

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Speaker 5: people through a pre selection process, through that with the party.

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Speaker 3: So he was upfront about it through the process with

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Speaker 3: the party. Yet he had conversations Katie.

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Speaker 7: It's not the CLP's position to judge the candidate at all,

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Speaker 7: and I definitely don't want to do that, especially you know,

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Speaker 7: judging his criminal record as such, because it is up

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Speaker 7: to the people of Barraferia to make that decision. But

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Speaker 7: Territorians are rightly concerned and it's about the judgment of

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Speaker 7: the Chief Minister and the government like Kathleen touched on,

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Speaker 7: I mean, Natasha Files did know about this, and she

786
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Speaker 7: still backs the candidate, and it was clearly a choice

787
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Speaker 7: to be not like not to be upfront with the voters,

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Speaker 7: and like I think the chief Minister of the Labor

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Speaker 7: Party and the Labor candidate, we're all hoping hoping this

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Speaker 7: wouldn't come out, and of course now it has and

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Speaker 7: there are lots of questions about it.

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Speaker 4: You a multi car accident.

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Speaker 1: I don't know the ins and outs of the accident,

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Speaker 1: and I'm very aware that yesterday we received a phone

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Speaker 1: call to the show of a family member of the

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Speaker 1: victim of the victim of that accident. So I'm very

797
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Speaker 1: aware that there's people listening to the show who are

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Speaker 1: actually family members of the victim. So I want to

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Speaker 1: be really careful about what gets said here.

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Speaker 3: Because I don't know the ins and outs of that accident.

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Speaker 3: That's all that.

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Speaker 6: Crash, and that's fair enough, and I accept that, and

803
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Speaker 6: I think everyone would accept that. You know, a person's

804
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,439
Speaker 6: lost their life and the impact on the loved ones

805
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 6: and families will be for you forever. But I think

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Speaker 6: the key is I think that Kathleen, in You're raising

807
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Speaker 6: is the processes when political party pre select their candidates exactly.

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Speaker 6: And I know from my past experience with the CLP,

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Speaker 6: when you put your hand up, you do a criminal check,

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00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 6: you pay for it, and you provide the data to

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Speaker 6: the party the ring, or you attach it to your

812
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 6: pre selection form whatever, And presumably the Labor Party has

813
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 6: something similar so and all the other parties probably do so.

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Speaker 6: But I think it's it's a tricky situation because it's

815
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Speaker 6: how much does the political party go out and say, yes,

816
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 6: this is what happened in the past of this person,

817
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Speaker 6: It's happened to CLP candidates in the past. I think

818
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Speaker 6: there was a fellow on the TV Islands who was

819
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Speaker 6: naughty in his past, and you know, there's there's other

820
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Speaker 6: ones that I can record but won't go into. So

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Speaker 6: it's but it's at what stage do you have open

822
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Speaker 6: and honest and transparent conversation not only with your would

823
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Speaker 6: be electric but with the community so they can get

824
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Speaker 6: to know that candidate.

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Speaker 1: So you in some instances, like in some instances, I

826
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Speaker 1: actually think that people do want their candidates to you know,

827
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Speaker 1: to have lived their lives and to and to have

828
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Speaker 1: made people tough decisions and.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly right. You're really very much.

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Speaker 6: So wells are just humans like everyone else.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly right.

832
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Speaker 6: I mean, our job is not special, it's just different.

833
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 6: And the people who come into this kind of job

834
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 6: come from all walks in life, all backgrounds, all experiences

835
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Speaker 6: good and bad. You know, from being expelled at high

836
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Speaker 6: school through to you. I didn't say I was.

837
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Speaker 3: From just reading between the lines.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's a fact that lots of territory kids

839
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Speaker 6: who go away to boarding school have a high percentage

840
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Speaker 6: of being expelled.

841
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Speaker 3: Oh goodness, may that's interest urgic.

842
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 6: Kids are naughty.

843
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Speaker 2: Oh we are not.

844
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Speaker 3: You're not sneaky self kezier puric.

845
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Speaker 6: But it's a it's a tricky balancing act. Yeah, you

846
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 6: know for all political parties.

847
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, We're going to take a really short break. You

848
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Speaker 1: are listening to Mix one O four ninees three sixty.

849
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Speaker 1: It is the week that was. Before we wrap up

850
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Speaker 1: this morning, let's have a bit of a chat about

851
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: the Tiger Brendan Overpass, because the cost to build that

852
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: overpass over well a Darwin intersection has nearly tripled in

853
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: just a couple of years to one hundred and sixty

854
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: five million prompting the opposition to call for more transparency

855
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Speaker 1: around the project.

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Speaker 3: It has certainly blown out, hasn't.

857
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Speaker 5: It's cost escalation. We're seeing it all around Australia. We're

858
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 5: seeing it around the world and unfortunately this is one

859
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 5: where we have seen. You know that the prices have

860
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 5: gone up in that time. But it is a big project, Katie,

861
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Speaker 5: and it much. It's going to future proof I think

862
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 5: the greater Darwen area. We know that lots of people

863
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 5: from Darwen and Palmerston and the rural.

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Speaker 4: Area haven't forbid. I don't mention the rural areas right

865
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Speaker 4: down on that.

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Speaker 5: Road and it intersects with our port and a very

867
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Speaker 5: heavily industrialized areas is fired up, Katie.

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Speaker 6: The issue, well, there's a couple of issues. Yes, costs

869
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Speaker 6: have gone up particularly still, but concrete and gravel and

870
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 6: dirt and sand haven't gone up that much. And you

871
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Speaker 6: can't keep blaming the cost of prices going up for

872
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 6: a blowout of sixty one million to one hundred and

873
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Speaker 6: thirty million. Yes, that's his project was design and construct,

874
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 6: keyword being design. Now you can't tell me that well

875
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 6: known company that got the tender.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't know it's very kind.

877
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Speaker 6: It is a good, good company. This is a good company.

878
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 6: But you can't tell me that in that company they

879
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 6: didn't do geotechnical work. They don't know or shouldn't know,

880
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 6: what the kind of ground is. We're on an ironstone ridge,

881
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 6: for goodness sake, with a certain level of clay. In

882
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 6: our source. They know exactly what they're getting themselves in

883
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Speaker 6: for because they designed the project. So if they've designed

884
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Speaker 6: it and now they're saying, oh, we need X more million,

885
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Speaker 6: how come from thirty one million to one hundred and

886
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Speaker 6: sixty minion It didn't go out for more tender work?

887
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Speaker 6: That's my question.

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Speaker 1: So Mana, So what has the government been told at

889
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Speaker 1: this point, because I would imagine that as you're sort

890
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Speaker 1: of tracking along keeping on a project of this scale

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Speaker 1: and magnitude, particularly as that cost goes up and up,

892
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Speaker 1: that you've been asking some questions.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we've had regular briefings through the life cycle of

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Speaker 5: this project so far. Clearly, you know, it started at

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Speaker 5: a budget that was a bit different. We go fifty

896
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Speaker 5: to fifty with the FEDS on these things. We had

897
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Speaker 5: to make sure that we put in a good application

898
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Speaker 5: to the FEDS to get the money and Unfortunately, as

899
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Speaker 5: it has progressed, because we have tried to get it

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Speaker 5: out with pace. This is a project that was initiated

901
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Speaker 5: through the COVID period when we're looking for economic stimulus

902
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Speaker 5: around the nation, and this is what the FEDS. We're

903
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Speaker 5: looking for good projects in terms of our cities of

904
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Speaker 5: making sure that we future proof them and we deal

905
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Speaker 5: with issues.

906
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Speaker 4: So we got the funding in there.

907
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Speaker 5: But as the project has progressed, we've seen costs go

908
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Speaker 5: up around the world with workforce, steel.

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Speaker 9: Material seen, we have seen this escalate and PUDGE is.

910
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Speaker 4: A complex project.

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Speaker 1: I did talk to the to the person over seeing

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Speaker 1: the project a little bit earlier in the week from

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Speaker 1: the Department, and they did say that there were some

914
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Speaker 1: concerns in terms of the heavy you know, the heavy

915
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Speaker 1: traffic that's going through there, or some changes I thought,

916
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Speaker 1: or some you know, some modifications design and construct.

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Speaker 6: They should have checked what kind of traffic was going

918
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Speaker 6: on those roads. We know triples go on it, we

919
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Speaker 6: road trains go on it. They should have known that

920
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 6: when the design phase was underwell.

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Speaker 3: So look, certainly not an expert on this kind of.

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Speaker 6: Stuff, thing that Dipple's not doing properly, like I've had

923
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Speaker 6: issues with Dipple in the past, with the Culton tracks.

924
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Speaker 6: They get on behalf of government, so I think something

925
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Speaker 6: really needs to be looked at. He very carefully sixty

926
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Speaker 6: one to one hundred and thirty million and no scrutiny

927
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Speaker 6: and no going back out to tender, whether it be phase.

928
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Speaker 6: It's not a complex job. It's an engineering job. It's

929
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Speaker 6: just big. And this is a different.

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Speaker 5: It's another and say road projects are complex, especially when

931
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Speaker 5: to project another intersection the Tasha file, so that would

932
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Speaker 5: be about thirty to forty percent over the construction costs,

933
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Speaker 5: but we're actually looking at one hundred and seventy five percent.

934
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Speaker 7: I mean this, this is like an overpass that's over

935
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Speaker 7: budget under files well.

936
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Speaker 1: And the other thing though that I reckons worth making

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Speaker 1: note of, is I'd interviewed Dennis Steadman just a few

938
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Speaker 1: weeks ago about the Bilocal campaign. He is the Bilocal advocate,

939
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Speaker 1: and he had raised a concern in that report that

940
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Speaker 1: had come out in relation to tendering. And when there

941
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Speaker 1: is you know, when there is somebody that goes over

942
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Speaker 1: with the tenders.

943
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Speaker 3: Now I don't mean this project.

944
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Speaker 1: You can be talking about any project, whether there is

945
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Speaker 1: sort of and look, I am paraphrasing here, so I

946
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Speaker 1: don't want to get it wrong, but whether there is

947
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Speaker 1: that scrutiny then when you go back over the project

948
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Speaker 1: afterwards and taking a look at the way in which

949
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Speaker 1: the contract has sort of gone through, and whether there

950
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Speaker 1: is room for improvement for the next time round, for

951
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Speaker 1: another project, you know, so that we're not winding up

952
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Speaker 1: in a situation where we've learn from Yeah, that's.

953
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Speaker 4: Right, of course.

954
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Speaker 6: I mean whether the project or the other pass is

955
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Speaker 6: needed or not needed, that's a separate agment. I personally

956
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Speaker 6: don't have an issue with it. But don't blame the

957
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Speaker 6: roads for mistakes that human makes, That's what I would say.

958
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Speaker 6: But it does call into question how this project has

959
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Speaker 6: been overseen or managed by Dipple, because I'll raise the

960
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Speaker 6: issue again about the TIMM Block fifteen. They got C

961
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Speaker 6: divitive compliance to start to use that block, and the

962
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Speaker 6: air conditioners didn't work, and their answer to that was

963
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Speaker 6: put in portable air conditioners. But there's no windows to

964
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Speaker 6: let the hot air out. So I would like to

965
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Speaker 6: see some Yeah, I know it's been a disaster. Apart

966
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Speaker 6: taking fifteen months to read furbish one block, one classroom.

967
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Speaker 6: Now Dipples overseeing this multimillion dollar project, So I think

968
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Speaker 6: there needs to be some questions asked of the management

969
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Speaker 6: of the project. Apart from the fact that it's gone

970
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Speaker 6: from sixty one million two one hundred and thirty million,

971
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Speaker 6: there's two. There's some pretty key issues here. Yeah, I

972
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Speaker 6: get it, Nicole, it is It is a complex, it's

973
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Speaker 6: a big job. It's a massive job.

974
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Speaker 2: But how can Territorians have confidence in the.

975
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Speaker 7: Government and the government manages that when they operate in

976
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Speaker 7: such secrecy, Like We've asked the questions about this as well,

977
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Speaker 7: and we're getting nothing back either.

978
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Speaker 2: It's just total secrecy.

979
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Speaker 1: Look, we are going to have to wrap up for

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Speaker 1: the morning. I know that there is never enough words

981
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Speaker 1: on a Friday, just getting on a Friday, but that

982
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Speaker 1: is all we've got time for this morning.

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Speaker 3: Mary Clare Boothby from the COLP, thanks so much for

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Speaker 3: your time.

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Speaker 7: And I want to say a big happy fiftieth Golden

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Speaker 7: Winning an anniversary to my parents. Yes, they're having a

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Speaker 7: partier special.

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Speaker 3: That is amazing.

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Speaker 1: Nine News Darwin's Kathleen Gazola, thank you.

990
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Speaker 3: Kezier Puric the Independent Man for Good thank you.

991
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Speaker 6: If even if it's interested, there's a native sale, native

992
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Speaker 6: plant sale at the Village Green tomorrow morning, eight o'clock

993
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Speaker 6: for you bushes, want to get it in.

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Speaker 1: Love It Love Itesy. Just a quick mention as well.

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Speaker 1: You did end up beating Crystal in the step challenge.

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Speaker 3: She won't be happy about that. I don't know if

997
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Speaker 3: she's listening to.

998
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Speaker 6: Paddick walks Crystal around the paddicks.

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Speaker 5: Anybody can see Kesi's bloody shoes, we'll take a photo.

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Speaker 3: Nicole Madison, the Deputy Chech Minister, thank.

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Speaker 5: You, Thank you Katie, and just reminding everybody if we

1002
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Speaker 5: don't get rained out. International Women's Day March in the

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Speaker 5: City tomorrow takes off at nine wonderful stuff.

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Speaker 3: Thank you all so very much for your company this morning.