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Speaker 3: From what I've heard coming back, there's been some great

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Speaker 2: We're always engaging.

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Speaker 2: It's legal in international waters.

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Speaker 1: of that, but is there going to be a billing?

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Speaker 1: You know facility there in Catherine at some point? Is

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Speaker 1: that something that Labor promised.

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Speaker 3: I don't think an urgent care clinics such as the

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Speaker 3: one we've promised for Darwin and that's successfully operating AID

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Speaker 3: in Palmerston was a promise, but we've got nine urgent

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Speaker 3: who run that GP practice down in Catherine, it's unsustainable.

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Speaker 3: You've got this sho You've got Aboriginal Aboriginal community controlled

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Speaker 3: community if they can't utilize the base there at Tindall,

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Speaker 3: there's a huge number of thousands and thousands of people

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Speaker 3: were just the one GP practice. So we are talking

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Speaker 3: with them obviously, we return to Canberra next week for

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Speaker 3: parliament kicking off. Well now it's one of the most

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Speaker 3: important issues for Marion Scrimjaw and we may not be

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Speaker 3: a full service urgent care clinic. But I'm confident and

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Speaker 3: I'm helping Marion to push for this for bulk billing

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Speaker 3: services for people in.

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Speaker 1: Catherine Luke really quick one because Athena Pasco bells in

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Speaker 1: the studio there, so we will get to her in

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Speaker 1: just a moment. But in terms of the hospital, we

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Speaker 1: care patients. It's something that you know, you and I

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Speaker 1: have been talking about it for years. Where are we

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Speaker 1: at with the age care funding? When we spoke to

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Speaker 1: Department of Health are deep in those discussions. How quickly

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Speaker 1: do you think we're going to see an announcement?

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Speaker 3: Well, I understand that last week it was two weeks away,

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Speaker 3: so it's good. Yeah, so it's getting.

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Speaker 4: Really so maybe next week.

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Speaker 3: But that's what the anti government said. So that's one

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Speaker 3: of the things on my least when I get to Canberra,

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Speaker 3: just to check in with our department to see where

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Speaker 3: that's at.

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Speaker 2: But hopefully it's not far away.

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Speaker 4: Let me know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the property cancel and Ruth Palmer ran a great

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Speaker 3: event recently spoke at it in part of the panel.

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Speaker 3: Sixty mil is what sixty million dollors is what the

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Speaker 3: build this one hundred and twenty bed facility.

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Speaker 4: It's got to happen.

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Speaker 3: There's been expressions of interest. They're credible expressions of interest.

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Speaker 3: So we just want a decision and then we can

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Speaker 3: break ground and start getting it built.

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Speaker 1: Lord Goslin, good to catch up with you, Thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 4: Thank you