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Speaker 1: So today's job is a different one. A professional cuddler,

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Speaker 1: a cuddle therapy practitioner.

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Speaker 2: Ever wondered what it's like to do someone else's geek

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Speaker 2: time to find out?

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Speaker 1: This is Colezy and Lisa's inside job. Joe Brooke is

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Speaker 1: exactly that, and she joins us.

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Speaker 3: Now, good Joe, welcome, thank you, Good morning, Joe.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how does one end up in this job?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as Athos, I asked myself that question.

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Speaker 3: No, just kidding, it was it was a calling.

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Speaker 2: Actually, it felt really good in my body when I

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Speaker 2: saw a documentary on Facebook about it, and I felt

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Speaker 2: really inspired. And I'd already had some experience with the

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Speaker 2: platonic cuddling with people, and I was at a point

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Speaker 2: in my life in twenty eighteen where I wanted to

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Speaker 2: hire a professional cuddler and so I wanted more.

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Speaker 3: Touch in my life.

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Speaker 2: But I couldn't find one.

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Speaker 3: There wasn't anybody in Perth doing it. There's a.

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Speaker 4: Start to start by hugging yourself. I guess if you're

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Speaker 4: looking through someone window. There are some times where people

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Speaker 4: just say, I want to hug What about the benefits

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Speaker 4: of cuddling?

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Speaker 3: Joe?

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Speaker 4: It's so good for us, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, the benefits are cuttings who feel a connection

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Speaker 2: with ourselves and a connection with the other person. We

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Speaker 2: feel safe, we feel a sense of peace and relaxation,

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Speaker 2: and it moves us from sympathetic powers, the sympathetic system

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Speaker 2: which is in our chest and down to our power sympathetics.

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Speaker 2: So it changes the nervous system and it relaxes everything,

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Speaker 2: and it has endless benefits. So it's a physiological thing

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Speaker 2: that changes in our body when we feel safe around

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Speaker 2: somebody and we're receiving putonic touch.

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Speaker 1: There is nothing remotely sexual about this, is there, Joe.

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Speaker 3: No, it's close on.

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Speaker 2: There's a code of conduct, there's a waiver that I

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Speaker 2: get people to sign, there's a thorough screening process. So

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Speaker 2: it's all very.

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Speaker 3: It's very new of the see because.

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Speaker 2: People aren't used to platonic.

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Speaker 3: Cuddling as adults. So I feel like I'm a pioneer.

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Speaker 3: You know, everybody's doing this around the world.

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Speaker 2: We are bringing something new to people because people are

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Speaker 2: normally very uncomfortable with platonic touch.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I do mean in terms of you know, sometimes you

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Speaker 1: just want to hut, and it's a completely different thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a nurturing, nourishing feeling that we are having

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Speaker 3: setting the attention intension for my sessions and yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: really beautiful.

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Speaker 4: Okay, what about courses or training? Have you done anything

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Speaker 4: like that, judge, just to get yourself up the speed?

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Speaker 2: Well I have. Well that's how I started. So I

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Speaker 2: was apprehensive about which course to do because there was

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Speaker 2: a couple around the world, But I did one with

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Speaker 2: Cuddle Lists, which is based in the US, and then

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Speaker 2: I did another one Cuddle Sanctuary, again US, and they

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Speaker 2: were really really profound for me because I didn't know

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Speaker 2: that there was going to be a lot of consent

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Speaker 2: and boundaries in a work to do as well. So

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Speaker 2: I would highly recommend anybody wanting to do this, please

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Speaker 2: do a course, Please do some training with either Cudlist

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Speaker 2: or Cattle Sanctuary.

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Speaker 3: They're very low cost courses.

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Speaker 2: They're very good value for money because the safety is

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Speaker 2: really really important and it goes over how to keep

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Speaker 2: yourself safe and things like that.

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Speaker 1: To be fair, you must have thought, yeah, I got

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Speaker 1: into this at the wrong time because COVID must have

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Speaker 1: been tough in the professional cuddling business.

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Speaker 2: Well, I started in twenty nineteen and then yes, So

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Speaker 2: what I learned from in twenty twenty is how to

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Speaker 2: do virtual sessions because people are actually looking for connection

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Speaker 2: as well as physical touch. So I did a bunch

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Speaker 2: of virtual.

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Speaker 3: Sessions and I learned a whole new kind of area of.

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Speaker 2: Connection like authentic relating games and vulnerability, and it was

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Speaker 2: just it was so beautiful.

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Speaker 3: God.

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Speaker 1: Can I ask what kind of money people pay for this?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: So my rate is one hundred and ten dollars for

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Speaker 2: one hour, and then if they live further than fifteen

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Speaker 2: minutes as a travel fee.

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Speaker 1: Oh right, it's a good coin.

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Speaker 4: And speaking of money and coin jokes, say my brain works,

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Speaker 4: are there any text auctions you can get for this

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Speaker 4: specific job?

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Speaker 1: So yes, to my accountant that oh okay, okay, Jimmy Gloves,

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Speaker 1: what is the one question that you always get asked?

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Speaker 3: Probably how did I get into this?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's all. Yeah, that's a good.

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Speaker 1: Well, now that we've heard what you can make an hour,

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of on me are a lot

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Speaker 1: of people might be looking for more information on how

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Speaker 1: to do a course in this very interesting Well.

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Speaker 2: It's all on my website. Yeah, it's all on my website.

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Speaker 2: I've got a resources page and I also offer mentoring.

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Speaker 2: So my website is cuttlehn dot com. That are you

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Speaker 2: and you can find.

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Speaker 1: It all on this Actually, I want to ask you

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Speaker 1: one more question. You know how sometimes people have a

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Speaker 1: fear of flying, and so they'll go on a plane

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Speaker 1: with someone who sort of helps them through get through

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Speaker 1: the flight. Do you ever deal with people that are

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Speaker 1: the reason why they want to have a cuddle therapy

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Speaker 1: session is because they're they don't like being touched.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's called touch adversity. So some people have

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Speaker 2: that due to trauma in the past, and so they

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Speaker 2: want to get more comfortable with touch.

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Speaker 3: So that's where.

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Speaker 2: I come in and I guide them very gently. It's

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Speaker 2: a very gentle, simple process. And I've had a few

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Speaker 2: people like autistic people, people with disabilities, so yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: it's very important to be gentle with people and also

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Speaker 2: talk to them about consent and that everything is by consent.

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Speaker 3: So yes, And another big question I get asked is

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Speaker 3: what kind of people come That's a big question.

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Speaker 4: I imagine you have a lot of repeat clientele who

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Speaker 4: come back for more kettles.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is nice.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, Joe it's been absolutely fascinating. Thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for having a chat with us.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome, ye, thanks for having me