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Speaker 1: Black Cast Unite our voices.

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Speaker 2: This podcast is brought to you by on Track Studio.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Yanni Up, the podcast that showcases First Nations

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Speaker 3: stories and conversations to help us learn and unlearn Australia's

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Speaker 3: history to work towards a better future. I'm your host,

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Speaker 3: proud barber woman and founder of Blackwattel Coaching and Consulting,

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Speaker 3: Caroline cow. We acknowledge the Runderi people and elders where

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Speaker 3: this podcast is taped, but we also acknowledge the lands

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Speaker 3: that you are listening in from today. It always was

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Speaker 3: and always will be unseated Aboriginal and tourist Red Islander Land. Well,

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Speaker 3: I am so delighted and honored to be sitting in

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Speaker 3: the company of my next guest, Kiali Rose. Welcome to

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Speaker 3: Yarning Up. It is so so great to have you

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Speaker 3: here today. Yeah. I'd love to sort of start by, yeah,

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Speaker 3: letting our listeners get to know you and who you are.

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Speaker 3: So I'm wondering if you can start by, yeah, maybe

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Speaker 3: introducing yourself.

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Speaker 1: Massis.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So, thank you for having me. It's a pleasure

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Speaker 2: to be on a podcast and show incredible story. I'm Kiali.

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Speaker 2: I'm a Pride Kim Laura and a global coal woman

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Speaker 2: from Ghana, Dha and Marie living on dur Old Country.

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Speaker 2: I'm a medically retired regular league footy player as well,

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Speaker 2: so that's tank interesting about me. I guess. I'm now

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Speaker 2: studying at the University of Woolligon doing nursing and work

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Speaker 2: here at the Woollyanga Indigenous Center as a student ambassador.

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Speaker 2: So I'm currently recording in on this podcast from the

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Speaker 2: space here at all younger, so shout out to them

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Speaker 2: for allowing me to use that space. A little bit

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Speaker 2: about me. I'm one of eight siblings, so I come

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Speaker 2: little bit more later on. And that's a bit about me,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, thank you for having me on here. Wow.

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Speaker 3: Wow, what a fascinating intro. So you're you're studying nursing

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Speaker 3: and you're currently at UNI right now as.

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Speaker 2: We Yes, I actually have a class today.

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Speaker 3: Darling, Sis, this is black women for you. Always like

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Speaker 3: doing the most out here, medically retired rugby league play,

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Speaker 3: You've got to share with me a little bit more

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Speaker 2: It gives me such bad foma that I can't play anymore.

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Speaker 2: But I've played for so many years at club level

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Speaker 2: and a high representative level, and it was literally my lifestyle.

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Speaker 2: Like I was doing like year eleven and twelve in

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Speaker 2: so grateful for her, she would drive me to Cronulla

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Speaker 2: every week. You know, I'd be on trains every week,

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Speaker 2: late at night, on my own. Don't know how I

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Speaker 2: I received think it was like four concussions and it

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Speaker 2: sieges and the concussions and them all being so close together,

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Speaker 2: I was seen by a few different doctors and nurses

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Speaker 2: that told me to stop. And I was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I also took a big impact on my mental health,

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Speaker 2: you know, going from training every day and being in

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Speaker 2: like a team environment to like literally nothing. It definitely

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Speaker 1: Wow, Oh my gosh, I'll see why.

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Speaker 3: There's obviously a trauma associated with that, and I'm so

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Speaker 3: But I mean it's kind of one of those things

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and like to be told to stop something that

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Speaker 2: I guess that's what led me into nursing and healthcare

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm grateful to hear that through all of this

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Speaker 2: So yeah, and I had a massive passion for it.

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Speaker 2: I just did that. I loved I loved dancing for

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Speaker 2: I've got to choose one or two sports. It's just

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh wow, wow, Sis.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think it gives me just and the

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Speaker 3: this with respect and delicacy here of course, but we

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Speaker 3: In appreciation in advance, you know, I really thank you

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I'd love to know sort of you know,

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Speaker 2: Like it's so bad. But yeah, like my grandparents who

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Speaker 2: so hard. But they always make sure that we were

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Speaker 3: You know, acknowledge your story and what it is that

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Speaker 1: Thank you you are you know, you are.

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Speaker 2: Just you know, make sure they have cultural awareness training

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Speaker 3: I wonder like having seen any instances where like Migueloo's

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00:23:58,351 --> 00:24:01,351
Speaker 3: on Aboriginal people have got it right and they have

434
00:24:01,551 --> 00:24:04,711
Speaker 3: really done that work and supported Yes.

435
00:24:04,951 --> 00:24:08,591
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had a few caseworkers and contact workers. I've

436
00:24:08,591 --> 00:24:12,631
Speaker 2: actually got a caseworker that I still talked to till

437
00:24:12,751 --> 00:24:15,751
Speaker 2: this day and she is incredible and I love her.

438
00:24:15,911 --> 00:24:19,431
Speaker 2: And you know, the agency I was with at the

439
00:24:19,471 --> 00:24:22,391
Speaker 2: time she had left and after that it kind of

440
00:24:22,591 --> 00:24:26,631
Speaker 2: just like she was incredible, and like I have had

441
00:24:26,871 --> 00:24:31,511
Speaker 2: good experiences with some caseworkers. And then you know, we

442
00:24:31,551 --> 00:24:33,431
Speaker 2: talk about youth home. So I was putting to a

443
00:24:33,431 --> 00:24:37,311
Speaker 2: youth home when I was fifteen because of my brother's behavior.

444
00:24:37,551 --> 00:24:40,751
Speaker 2: So I was actually removed from my grandfather's care, which

445
00:24:40,791 --> 00:24:43,991
Speaker 2: is really unfortunate. And I didn't have a good experience

446
00:24:44,071 --> 00:24:47,031
Speaker 2: in that youth home, you know, with the other children

447
00:24:47,111 --> 00:24:49,711
Speaker 2: in there, all the young people, and I also didn't

448
00:24:49,711 --> 00:24:52,351
Speaker 2: have a good experience with the youth workers I had

449
00:24:52,391 --> 00:24:56,311
Speaker 2: at the time in this particular home. It was not

450
00:24:57,071 --> 00:24:59,111
Speaker 2: it was not great. I was sent to school with

451
00:24:59,151 --> 00:25:02,591
Speaker 2: no food because I had forgotten the lunch, They wouldn't

452
00:25:02,591 --> 00:25:05,991
Speaker 2: take me to school, all different things, all different things.

453
00:25:06,151 --> 00:25:09,351
Speaker 2: They are not a nice place. So if there's anyone

454
00:25:09,391 --> 00:25:12,031
Speaker 2: out there, you know that's wanting to do foster care

455
00:25:12,031 --> 00:25:15,311
Speaker 2: but they just don't know, please do because I'm sure

456
00:25:15,351 --> 00:25:18,071
Speaker 2: a young child would rather be in your care than

457
00:25:18,151 --> 00:25:20,271
Speaker 2: sit in a youth home, because they are not a

458
00:25:20,351 --> 00:25:24,631
Speaker 2: place where our youth should be getting put Sometimes, you know,

459
00:25:24,751 --> 00:25:27,271
Speaker 2: it has to happen. Like myself at the time, that

460
00:25:27,391 --> 00:25:30,271
Speaker 2: was no cares, So I just you know, throwing in

461
00:25:30,311 --> 00:25:33,991
Speaker 2: the deepen and throwing into this house. Yeah, there's any

462
00:25:33,991 --> 00:25:35,991
Speaker 2: people who wanting to do foster care.

463
00:25:36,031 --> 00:25:37,591
Speaker 1: Please hearing what you're saying.

464
00:25:37,711 --> 00:25:39,511
Speaker 3: I think what I'm sort of taking away from that,

465
00:25:39,591 --> 00:25:42,711
Speaker 3: you know, is especially if you're a black follower and

466
00:25:42,751 --> 00:25:44,551
Speaker 3: you want to do some care, there are so many

467
00:25:44,591 --> 00:25:45,231
Speaker 3: people out there.

468
00:25:45,271 --> 00:25:48,191
Speaker 2: Yeah, please do that, because you know, if I could

469
00:25:48,231 --> 00:25:51,031
Speaker 2: go back at fifteen and have a choice, you know,

470
00:25:51,151 --> 00:25:53,031
Speaker 2: our kids don't. We don't get a choice in care.

471
00:25:53,511 --> 00:25:56,111
Speaker 2: You know, we don't get no choice. We get called

472
00:25:56,151 --> 00:25:58,311
Speaker 2: what to do, we get thrown around, we don't there's

473
00:25:58,351 --> 00:26:01,271
Speaker 2: no choice. We don't have a choice because you know,

474
00:26:01,311 --> 00:26:05,191
Speaker 2: we're under the government until eighteen. Like if I had

475
00:26:05,231 --> 00:26:08,231
Speaker 2: the choice, and I wish that was a choice for

476
00:26:08,351 --> 00:26:10,951
Speaker 2: kids to say, where would you like to be put?

477
00:26:11,231 --> 00:26:13,271
Speaker 2: We don't get to ask that. We don't ask that

478
00:26:13,391 --> 00:26:16,151
Speaker 2: question or get to have that question asked to us,

479
00:26:16,151 --> 00:26:18,431
Speaker 2: you know. So it's like I would rather have that

480
00:26:18,551 --> 00:26:21,151
Speaker 2: question asked to me. So if I was able to

481
00:26:21,151 --> 00:26:24,231
Speaker 2: go back I and there was a kar who was mob,

482
00:26:25,151 --> 00:26:27,071
Speaker 2: I'd go to them over a U homes.

483
00:26:27,191 --> 00:26:36,871
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, will be back your mob right after

484
00:26:36,951 --> 00:26:52,911
Speaker 3: this short break. And I guess, you know, I just

485
00:26:52,951 --> 00:26:54,871
Speaker 3: want to sort of play back. A couple of things

486
00:26:54,871 --> 00:26:57,511
Speaker 3: that I think are important to really highlight here, which is,

487
00:26:57,951 --> 00:27:00,991
Speaker 3: you know the importance of having a caseworker that truly

488
00:27:01,111 --> 00:27:04,591
Speaker 3: listens to the voices of the peace what they're working with,

489
00:27:04,671 --> 00:27:08,551
Speaker 3: and really centers their care and builds it around culture

490
00:27:08,711 --> 00:27:12,151
Speaker 3: and connection and community. And you know, in the out

491
00:27:12,151 --> 00:27:14,351
Speaker 3: of home care system they talk about you know, child

492
00:27:14,391 --> 00:27:17,551
Speaker 3: placement principles and making sure that you know the young

493
00:27:17,631 --> 00:27:20,991
Speaker 3: people they know what they need they are.

494
00:27:21,351 --> 00:27:22,791
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I knew what I.

495
00:27:24,551 --> 00:27:26,031
Speaker 1: Just listen to these fellows.

496
00:27:26,031 --> 00:27:29,031
Speaker 3: They'll tell you exactly what is going on for them,

497
00:27:29,151 --> 00:27:32,951
Speaker 3: and so that's really important. And then I think also too,

498
00:27:33,551 --> 00:27:37,311
Speaker 3: you know the importance of having more foster cares, more

499
00:27:37,351 --> 00:27:42,151
Speaker 3: Black cares, and changing this narrative of stigmatized people as

500
00:27:42,151 --> 00:27:44,951
Speaker 3: good and bad and putting them into these youth homes.

501
00:27:45,111 --> 00:27:47,471
Speaker 3: You know, you spoke it before about your nan and

502
00:27:47,511 --> 00:27:49,671
Speaker 3: pop and they sound like really wonderful people.

503
00:27:49,751 --> 00:27:54,111
Speaker 1: Yes, they sound like really loving, deadly people.

504
00:27:54,871 --> 00:27:58,071
Speaker 3: And you mentioned how they sort of ensure that you

505
00:27:58,111 --> 00:28:00,551
Speaker 3: were wrapped up in your culture the best you could.

506
00:28:00,591 --> 00:28:03,191
Speaker 1: And we're all on our journeys and I.

507
00:28:03,111 --> 00:28:06,991
Speaker 3: Guess that you know, embracing culture has been really powerful

508
00:28:06,991 --> 00:28:07,711
Speaker 3: for your healing.

509
00:28:08,031 --> 00:28:09,711
Speaker 1: Yes, really inspiring.

510
00:28:09,831 --> 00:28:13,311
Speaker 3: I guess to hear how that connection to culture has

511
00:28:13,671 --> 00:28:16,271
Speaker 3: guided you, and so I'm keen to understand.

512
00:28:16,351 --> 00:28:19,271
Speaker 1: Yeah, what role do you think culture has played for

513
00:28:19,391 --> 00:28:20,911
Speaker 1: you in healing?

514
00:28:21,231 --> 00:28:26,111
Speaker 3: And are there any particular practices or people or places

515
00:28:26,111 --> 00:28:29,311
Speaker 3: that you visit to to strengthen you know, your spirit

516
00:28:29,351 --> 00:28:29,631
Speaker 3: a bit.

517
00:28:30,151 --> 00:28:33,871
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, my grandparents, like my nun's not here with

518
00:28:33,991 --> 00:28:36,791
Speaker 2: us anymore, but my pop still is so so grateful

519
00:28:36,791 --> 00:28:41,511
Speaker 2: for that. But yeah, like they're just so incredible. Even

520
00:28:41,551 --> 00:28:44,071
Speaker 2: before we were legally placed into their care, we were

521
00:28:44,111 --> 00:28:47,831
Speaker 2: always with them, always with them. It was just trying

522
00:28:47,871 --> 00:28:50,591
Speaker 2: to get that legal custody, which they got. And you know,

523
00:28:50,751 --> 00:28:54,031
Speaker 2: I'm just so lucky because you know, to be around

524
00:28:54,071 --> 00:28:56,471
Speaker 2: the people I am around today in my family and

525
00:28:56,511 --> 00:28:58,871
Speaker 2: the you know, family doesn't always have to be blood,

526
00:28:59,551 --> 00:29:02,111
Speaker 2: and my grandparents aren't my blood because they adopted my dad.

527
00:29:02,351 --> 00:29:04,511
Speaker 2: But you don't look at it like that, Like I

528
00:29:04,551 --> 00:29:06,071
Speaker 2: never look at it like that, And when I have

529
00:29:06,151 --> 00:29:08,231
Speaker 2: to think about it like that, sometimes I'm like, oh,

530
00:29:08,391 --> 00:29:12,631
Speaker 2: that's a weird, Like you know, yeah, I don't think,

531
00:29:12,751 --> 00:29:15,431
Speaker 2: we don't think, we don't think like that at all whatsoever.

532
00:29:16,511 --> 00:29:20,351
Speaker 2: But like you know, they were honestly the best they spent.

533
00:29:20,791 --> 00:29:22,631
Speaker 2: I don't know how much money they spent on my sport,

534
00:29:22,831 --> 00:29:26,071
Speaker 2: but it probably said them broke by the end of it,

535
00:29:26,151 --> 00:29:30,991
Speaker 2: because yeah, I was such a sporty kid. Even my brothers,

536
00:29:30,991 --> 00:29:33,471
Speaker 2: like they played so much footy too. So all that

537
00:29:33,511 --> 00:29:36,191
Speaker 2: money they've spent on that and then like getting to

538
00:29:36,271 --> 00:29:39,471
Speaker 2: go overseas like a gone overseas, a gone on cruise,

539
00:29:39,511 --> 00:29:42,191
Speaker 2: sh it's gone on holidays. You know, not many kids

540
00:29:42,271 --> 00:29:46,551
Speaker 2: get to experience that or even through sport like, so

541
00:29:46,711 --> 00:29:49,671
Speaker 2: I'm very grateful that, you know, I had the positive

542
00:29:49,711 --> 00:29:52,911
Speaker 2: impact in my life by my grandparents. And yeah, like

543
00:29:53,111 --> 00:29:56,351
Speaker 2: my healing and my connection to my culture is really

544
00:29:56,431 --> 00:30:00,271
Speaker 2: important for me. Especially healing in a culturally safe way

545
00:30:00,351 --> 00:30:03,591
Speaker 2: for me is really important. I heal by you know,

546
00:30:03,791 --> 00:30:06,231
Speaker 2: yearning with mob like what we're doing today, Like that

547
00:30:06,351 --> 00:30:09,431
Speaker 2: gets stuff off my chest, you know, like and building

548
00:30:09,471 --> 00:30:12,471
Speaker 2: my own connections and then sharing my story. That's a

549
00:30:12,511 --> 00:30:16,471
Speaker 2: part of my healing. And there's a woman's healing group

550
00:30:16,551 --> 00:30:19,751
Speaker 2: at the Ill Around Aboriginal Medical Center, so they support

551
00:30:19,791 --> 00:30:23,671
Speaker 2: women in healing and you know, women that have came

552
00:30:23,711 --> 00:30:26,551
Speaker 2: from all sorts of life and they've played a big

553
00:30:26,671 --> 00:30:29,471
Speaker 2: key part in my life as well as wily younger.

554
00:30:29,711 --> 00:30:32,271
Speaker 2: Where I'm sitting today, so I'm at the Indigenous Center

555
00:30:32,471 --> 00:30:37,351
Speaker 2: at the Yearni. Even the support networks here, like it's incredible,

556
00:30:37,511 --> 00:30:41,151
Speaker 2: Like it's yeah, it's cool, you know, just doing like

557
00:30:41,191 --> 00:30:47,591
Speaker 2: cultural dance and traditional art. I started doing art after

558
00:30:47,631 --> 00:30:49,551
Speaker 2: my brother passed, so it was, you know, a big

559
00:30:49,711 --> 00:30:53,951
Speaker 2: healing for me, big killing parts. And then I guess

560
00:30:54,031 --> 00:30:57,271
Speaker 2: one of the biggest cultural highlights I had was it

561
00:30:57,311 --> 00:31:00,671
Speaker 2: was an unreal experience. I got to present an acknowledgment

562
00:31:00,711 --> 00:31:05,311
Speaker 2: of country last year, the Annerl Dragons in this round. Wow,

563
00:31:05,871 --> 00:31:09,831
Speaker 2: that experience was it was unreal, Like I gotta go

564
00:31:09,871 --> 00:31:15,151
Speaker 2: in the shed and the coaches and yeah, it was crazy.

565
00:31:16,151 --> 00:31:19,431
Speaker 2: It was so good. And yeah, it's definitely the biggest

566
00:31:19,551 --> 00:31:24,431
Speaker 2: cultural highlight that I've got so far, you know, my

567
00:31:24,591 --> 00:31:29,831
Speaker 2: healing and my connection to culture. Yeah, I'm also working

568
00:31:30,631 --> 00:31:32,991
Speaker 2: as a really younger Shoulden ambassador, so part of my

569
00:31:33,151 --> 00:31:36,951
Speaker 2: role is to entaur the next generation and set them

570
00:31:36,991 --> 00:31:38,191
Speaker 2: up for success.

571
00:31:38,591 --> 00:31:45,671
Speaker 3: Wow, well, my Cis, you are too deadly. You are yeah,

572
00:31:45,911 --> 00:31:48,831
Speaker 3: just shining so brightly, my Cis. And I mean, yet's

573
00:31:48,871 --> 00:31:51,391
Speaker 3: so beautiful to hear that there are many things in

574
00:31:51,431 --> 00:31:54,031
Speaker 3: your toolkit that have been useful for you, like art

575
00:31:54,151 --> 00:31:57,511
Speaker 3: and yarning. And then hearing what you were saying before,

576
00:31:57,831 --> 00:32:00,991
Speaker 3: was that not only is it helpful for you to

577
00:32:01,151 --> 00:32:04,591
Speaker 3: yearn your story out and speak on it so you're

578
00:32:04,591 --> 00:32:06,631
Speaker 3: not sitting in it, but also then you're going and

579
00:32:06,671 --> 00:32:08,991
Speaker 3: holding yarning circles for other women.

580
00:32:08,831 --> 00:32:09,951
Speaker 2: To share their stories.

581
00:32:10,671 --> 00:32:15,751
Speaker 3: How powerful that you're using your talents and gifts as medicine.

582
00:32:15,831 --> 00:32:16,071
Speaker 1: Father.

583
00:32:16,271 --> 00:32:20,871
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I also have a website that has I

584
00:32:20,911 --> 00:32:23,151
Speaker 2: think it's got free stories. So I've written them up

585
00:32:23,231 --> 00:32:27,751
Speaker 2: myself and they're like, you know, I'm so passionate about

586
00:32:27,791 --> 00:32:30,271
Speaker 2: my culture, and I write things up in my notes

587
00:32:30,311 --> 00:32:32,671
Speaker 2: all the time, like stories like just out of nowhere,

588
00:32:32,711 --> 00:32:35,711
Speaker 2: Like obviously don't write things up. I'm I really want

589
00:32:35,751 --> 00:32:38,311
Speaker 2: to share that. So I've actually created my own website.

590
00:32:38,311 --> 00:32:42,631
Speaker 2: It's called our mob our Voices. There is a password

591
00:32:42,671 --> 00:32:46,111
Speaker 2: to get access to the website, so it's all in capitals.

592
00:32:46,711 --> 00:32:51,391
Speaker 2: It's mob to zero two five voices. So yeah, anyone

593
00:32:51,431 --> 00:32:54,591
Speaker 2: wants to go check it out, please do. But yeah,

594
00:32:54,591 --> 00:32:56,431
Speaker 2: I'm not actually sure if you can find it on Google,

595
00:32:56,591 --> 00:32:58,911
Speaker 2: if it's just through my link on my socials. But

596
00:32:58,991 --> 00:33:01,591
Speaker 2: my socials it's just kari time, so you just want

597
00:33:01,631 --> 00:33:04,471
Speaker 2: to find it. Yeah, go on, will be sure.

598
00:33:04,311 --> 00:33:06,631
Speaker 3: To put all these details in our in our notes

599
00:33:06,671 --> 00:33:09,551
Speaker 3: for you so that people can easily follow along, because

600
00:33:09,551 --> 00:33:11,551
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's lots of.

601
00:33:11,551 --> 00:33:14,231
Speaker 1: People who are really interested in following.

602
00:33:14,431 --> 00:33:17,871
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean they're free rereadom like, get some

603
00:33:18,071 --> 00:33:21,431
Speaker 2: even if you're not more rereaedom, you get an understanding.

604
00:33:21,671 --> 00:33:23,991
Speaker 2: I think there's one in there I've written about mental

605
00:33:24,031 --> 00:33:26,871
Speaker 2: health in out of home care, trying to break that sigma.

606
00:33:28,791 --> 00:33:30,671
Speaker 2: And there was another one I can't remember the top

607
00:33:30,711 --> 00:33:33,231
Speaker 2: of my head, but yeah, just go in there and

608
00:33:33,231 --> 00:33:36,111
Speaker 2: read them, like, honestly, it's so worth it, so worth

609
00:33:36,151 --> 00:33:40,831
Speaker 2: reading even if you're not. Also cultural safety, cultural awareness

610
00:33:40,871 --> 00:33:44,871
Speaker 2: and that mainly around education and employement and community kind

611
00:33:44,871 --> 00:33:49,431
Speaker 2: of sector. But yeah, these read it. I vite you

612
00:33:49,511 --> 00:33:52,871
Speaker 2: to read that because yeah, it's a free resource. Use it.

613
00:33:54,071 --> 00:33:55,071
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.

614
00:33:55,111 --> 00:33:57,271
Speaker 3: And you know, this is the thing about mob especially

615
00:33:57,911 --> 00:33:59,951
Speaker 3: a lot of the women that I know and people

616
00:34:00,031 --> 00:34:03,391
Speaker 3: like yourself, they are so generously sharing knowledge so that

617
00:34:03,431 --> 00:34:06,671
Speaker 3: we can live in a more just and fair world.

618
00:34:06,911 --> 00:34:09,791
Speaker 3: And so you know, people are often sharing their traumas,

619
00:34:09,831 --> 00:34:14,111
Speaker 3: their experiences to make things easier for you to do

620
00:34:14,151 --> 00:34:17,351
Speaker 3: what you've got to do in your community, So you know,

621
00:34:17,391 --> 00:34:19,471
Speaker 3: go out and have a look at those and you know,

622
00:34:19,551 --> 00:34:23,231
Speaker 3: people's stories is really how we change hearts and minds.

623
00:34:23,351 --> 00:34:26,351
Speaker 2: Yeah, I created this website because you know, like I said,

624
00:34:26,351 --> 00:34:28,671
Speaker 2: I had these stories to share. But he was in

625
00:34:28,671 --> 00:34:32,991
Speaker 2: my first two weeks of university, I experienced some racism

626
00:34:33,071 --> 00:34:35,311
Speaker 2: and it wasn't just casual, it was you know, more

627
00:34:35,351 --> 00:34:39,471
Speaker 2: targeted towards me. And I thought, wow, like, this is

628
00:34:39,511 --> 00:34:42,311
Speaker 2: the university and it's meant to be a diverse community,

629
00:34:42,351 --> 00:34:45,631
Speaker 2: but it really isn't all the time, and then you're

630
00:34:45,671 --> 00:34:47,751
Speaker 2: going to come across it, like unfortunately, you're going to

631
00:34:47,831 --> 00:34:50,511
Speaker 2: come across it. You know, our mom's going to come

632
00:34:50,511 --> 00:34:53,471
Speaker 2: across it. We shouldn't have to, but it happens. Yeah,

633
00:34:53,591 --> 00:34:56,231
Speaker 2: that's kind of why I wanted to do that website

634
00:34:56,231 --> 00:34:58,471
Speaker 2: because I thought, you know, I could write this story

635
00:34:58,551 --> 00:35:00,191
Speaker 2: up about cultural awareness and that.

636
00:35:00,551 --> 00:35:01,831
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, just.

637
00:35:03,751 --> 00:35:06,111
Speaker 3: So disappointing to hear that in your first sort of yeah,

638
00:35:06,391 --> 00:35:09,311
Speaker 3: a few formative weeks of like getting to UNI especially

639
00:35:11,111 --> 00:35:12,871
Speaker 3: you know, I certainly don't want to pathologize you with

640
00:35:12,911 --> 00:35:14,751
Speaker 3: this statement, but just how hard it is for some

641
00:35:14,791 --> 00:35:18,751
Speaker 3: of us to freaking get two UNA, and it's.

642
00:35:19,151 --> 00:35:22,511
Speaker 1: Still treated like, yeah, like class citizen, you know.

643
00:35:22,791 --> 00:35:26,231
Speaker 2: Yeah for some more like it's hard to get mob

644
00:35:26,311 --> 00:35:29,391
Speaker 2: into UNI. It's hard to get a mop here at

645
00:35:29,471 --> 00:35:32,511
Speaker 2: UNI studying. You know, I didn't finish, I didn't have

646
00:35:32,591 --> 00:35:35,791
Speaker 2: a CATA, I didn't have it HC. I actually did

647
00:35:35,831 --> 00:35:38,351
Speaker 2: a certain free community services before I came into UNI.

648
00:35:38,711 --> 00:35:41,351
Speaker 2: And I got into UNI, I've been passing. And you know,

649
00:35:41,431 --> 00:35:44,231
Speaker 2: if that was me in high school, I wouldn't have passed. Yeah,

650
00:35:44,271 --> 00:35:46,631
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have been able to do it academically. So

651
00:35:47,831 --> 00:35:50,311
Speaker 2: UNI is a whole different vibe and there is so

652
00:35:50,551 --> 00:35:53,391
Speaker 2: much support and as an Aboriginal person studying at the

653
00:35:53,471 --> 00:35:56,671
Speaker 2: University of Bullagan, we've got for younger Indigenous center here

654
00:35:57,271 --> 00:36:00,031
Speaker 2: and there is twenty four seven access and they have

655
00:36:00,191 --> 00:36:03,391
Speaker 2: free children and take it if you're a student or

656
00:36:03,431 --> 00:36:07,311
Speaker 2: one to come here. Highly recommend because for the younger support, like,

657
00:36:07,711 --> 00:36:08,431
Speaker 2: it's so good.

658
00:36:08,711 --> 00:36:12,591
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think let's go there. I think

659
00:36:12,671 --> 00:36:12,831
Speaker 1: you know.

660
00:36:13,111 --> 00:36:15,751
Speaker 3: So I'm hearing you know your story and your journey

661
00:36:15,831 --> 00:36:19,631
Speaker 3: from out of home care to playing rugby and sports.

662
00:36:19,751 --> 00:36:24,471
Speaker 3: You finding culture, being wrapped up in culture, sharing culture

663
00:36:25,271 --> 00:36:29,151
Speaker 3: and recognizing that you're still such a young person, you know, Like,

664
00:36:29,951 --> 00:36:31,511
Speaker 3: you know, I feel like I'm in the presence of

665
00:36:31,591 --> 00:36:34,031
Speaker 3: an elder in some ways, because you know, your your

666
00:36:34,151 --> 00:36:37,511
Speaker 3: journey is so rich, but in many ways it's it's

667
00:36:37,631 --> 00:36:40,551
Speaker 3: really just beginning, because there's.

668
00:36:40,391 --> 00:36:42,831
Speaker 1: There's no end of insight for what you're what you're

669
00:36:42,871 --> 00:36:43,711
Speaker 1: going to go on and do.

670
00:36:43,991 --> 00:36:46,191
Speaker 3: But you know, I want to ask about the path

671
00:36:46,271 --> 00:36:49,791
Speaker 3: that you've chosen in nursing and healthcare, and you know,

672
00:36:49,871 --> 00:36:52,431
Speaker 3: you find yourself here you are at UNI today literally

673
00:36:52,671 --> 00:36:55,071
Speaker 3: on this yarn and studying nursing.

674
00:36:55,871 --> 00:36:57,951
Speaker 1: You know what drew you to that work?

675
00:36:58,151 --> 00:37:00,751
Speaker 3: And I guess, yeah, is there anything that sort of

676
00:37:01,031 --> 00:37:04,351
Speaker 3: did you have a particular moment in your life where

677
00:37:04,351 --> 00:37:06,711
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, I am going to go and learn

678
00:37:06,791 --> 00:37:08,871
Speaker 3: to be a nurse, like I want to do this.

679
00:37:09,231 --> 00:37:13,511
Speaker 3: Was there something that led you to this path specifically,

680
00:37:13,631 --> 00:37:15,831
Speaker 3: or did you just always know that you wanted to

681
00:37:16,351 --> 00:37:18,431
Speaker 3: go out and play a role in our health.

682
00:37:18,591 --> 00:37:20,351
Speaker 2: I always knew that I had, like I was in

683
00:37:20,351 --> 00:37:23,751
Speaker 2: a big passion for helping people. And it's funny because

684
00:37:23,951 --> 00:37:27,271
Speaker 2: I actually got into a different university for teaching, but

685
00:37:27,391 --> 00:37:29,471
Speaker 2: it was like way too far to travel, and I

686
00:37:29,551 --> 00:37:32,311
Speaker 2: didn't want to move away from home. I'm very like homebody.

687
00:37:32,871 --> 00:37:37,031
Speaker 2: So yeah, I got accepted into the deployment of nursing

688
00:37:37,071 --> 00:37:39,951
Speaker 2: because I haven't finished school, so it's a bridging course

689
00:37:40,151 --> 00:37:42,591
Speaker 2: to get me into my bachelor's which is really good.

690
00:37:42,991 --> 00:37:46,351
Speaker 2: And just after experiencing and struggling with my own mental health,

691
00:37:46,831 --> 00:37:49,991
Speaker 2: like as a young teenager and facing medical neglect as

692
00:37:49,991 --> 00:37:53,471
Speaker 2: an Aboriginal patient, like, I've realized like how many other

693
00:37:53,631 --> 00:37:57,351
Speaker 2: mob out there or just people in general would be

694
00:37:57,551 --> 00:38:00,551
Speaker 2: experiencing the same neglect, Like there would be so many

695
00:38:00,711 --> 00:38:04,151
Speaker 2: mob out there. Obviously from being medically retired from rugby

696
00:38:04,231 --> 00:38:07,991
Speaker 2: league and experiencing those head injuries, there was an incident

697
00:38:08,631 --> 00:38:11,951
Speaker 2: there where I had experienced a bit of medical neglect,

698
00:38:12,471 --> 00:38:14,551
Speaker 2: so I kind of just wanted to be the change.

699
00:38:14,751 --> 00:38:17,431
Speaker 2: And so yeah, that's what I'm studying at the moment,

700
00:38:17,511 --> 00:38:21,071
Speaker 2: and hopefully going to a master's of Indigenous Health because

701
00:38:21,111 --> 00:38:23,711
Speaker 2: my goal is to work in primary health care and

702
00:38:23,831 --> 00:38:27,671
Speaker 2: help improve the access to health care for Aboriginal Chusha

703
00:38:27,711 --> 00:38:28,631
Speaker 2: Island families.

704
00:38:30,431 --> 00:38:35,671
Speaker 3: So yeah, wow, So continuing to I guess, make sense

705
00:38:35,751 --> 00:38:39,271
Speaker 3: of your own personal journey for the betterment of the

706
00:38:39,351 --> 00:38:42,191
Speaker 3: mob as well, you know, continuing to want to give

707
00:38:42,311 --> 00:38:44,711
Speaker 3: back and being rooted in that, And it sounds like

708
00:38:44,751 --> 00:38:48,711
Speaker 3: you've always had this sort of strong understanding of what

709
00:38:48,951 --> 00:38:50,951
Speaker 3: you want to be and how you want to shape

710
00:38:50,991 --> 00:38:51,351
Speaker 3: the world.

711
00:38:52,071 --> 00:38:56,271
Speaker 2: Yeah, like advocancy one hundred percent. I just step out

712
00:38:56,351 --> 00:38:59,831
Speaker 2: there and be a voice for our mob, you know,

713
00:39:00,391 --> 00:39:02,671
Speaker 2: like there's no shame in using your voice, like you

714
00:39:02,751 --> 00:39:05,431
Speaker 2: got a voice, Like there is no shame in using

715
00:39:05,511 --> 00:39:09,031
Speaker 2: your voice and make connections like being here at the

716
00:39:09,151 --> 00:39:12,551
Speaker 2: University of Wologon, like obviously being able to access the

717
00:39:12,711 --> 00:39:17,231
Speaker 2: Will Younger Indigenous Center, Like it's incredible, and there's twenty

718
00:39:17,271 --> 00:39:19,111
Speaker 2: four to seven support here, Like you know, they do

719
00:39:19,231 --> 00:39:23,351
Speaker 2: free lunches every week, they do tutoring. You can just

720
00:39:23,471 --> 00:39:26,471
Speaker 2: come in here for a yarn. They help with scholarships,

721
00:39:26,671 --> 00:39:30,151
Speaker 2: and they help with everything for UNI and then everything

722
00:39:30,271 --> 00:39:32,391
Speaker 2: outside of UNI. You know, if you need help with

723
00:39:32,591 --> 00:39:36,791
Speaker 2: housing it or financial food, they help. They help with everything.

724
00:39:37,071 --> 00:39:41,911
Speaker 2: If there's any students future students looking to study at

725
00:39:41,991 --> 00:39:44,671
Speaker 2: the University of Wollogon, whether you live down here or

726
00:39:44,671 --> 00:39:47,751
Speaker 2: whether you don't, hit Will the Younger up because they

727
00:39:47,831 --> 00:39:51,511
Speaker 2: are incredible and yeah, they're just so good. Like without

728
00:39:51,551 --> 00:39:56,471
Speaker 2: their support, I probably wouldn't still be here at University, especially,

729
00:39:56,591 --> 00:39:58,951
Speaker 2: you know with the racism that had happened to me

730
00:39:59,111 --> 00:40:01,511
Speaker 2: within my first two weeks, Like they stepped in and

731
00:40:01,631 --> 00:40:04,311
Speaker 2: they sorted it out pretty much straight away, like they

732
00:40:04,391 --> 00:40:07,391
Speaker 2: weren't putting up with that. So it's good to have

733
00:40:07,471 --> 00:40:10,031
Speaker 2: support networks as well. You know, it's a safe space

734
00:40:10,151 --> 00:40:14,191
Speaker 2: for our mob here at UNI, and everyone feels like

735
00:40:14,231 --> 00:40:16,591
Speaker 2: one big family. Well we are, like my mom, We're

736
00:40:16,631 --> 00:40:19,031
Speaker 2: one big family. And you know, I've met like two

737
00:40:19,111 --> 00:40:21,191
Speaker 2: of my cousins any like that. I didn't even know

738
00:40:21,271 --> 00:40:23,791
Speaker 2: what my cousins. Two I met them. So you make

739
00:40:23,831 --> 00:40:27,311
Speaker 2: connections everywhere in here. But and like opportunities you get

740
00:40:27,391 --> 00:40:31,111
Speaker 2: in here. You know, I'm doing the Shiten Ambassador role

741
00:40:31,191 --> 00:40:33,671
Speaker 2: this year with Willly Younger, So part of my role

742
00:40:33,831 --> 00:40:36,791
Speaker 2: is to do the my Future Matters program mentoring the

743
00:40:36,951 --> 00:40:39,431
Speaker 2: year seven to twelve students in high school to set

744
00:40:39,471 --> 00:40:43,831
Speaker 2: them up for success with educational employment, and then also

745
00:40:43,951 --> 00:40:46,431
Speaker 2: a bit of tutoring with the school students, but also

746
00:40:46,511 --> 00:40:49,511
Speaker 2: being faceable Younger so you know, doing cultural events like NATO,

747
00:40:49,711 --> 00:40:52,631
Speaker 2: run them stores at NATO, doing all sorts of different

748
00:40:52,671 --> 00:40:56,031
Speaker 2: little jobs around here. So yeah, big shout out to

749
00:40:56,271 --> 00:40:57,871
Speaker 2: my mom here at Wllly younger.

750
00:40:58,471 --> 00:41:01,151
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, it's yeah, so inspiring.

751
00:41:01,311 --> 00:41:04,871
Speaker 3: My sister hear the way that you are showing up

752
00:41:05,111 --> 00:41:06,991
Speaker 3: for for others, you know, and it's one of those

753
00:41:07,031 --> 00:41:08,071
Speaker 3: things that I'm reminded of.

754
00:41:08,911 --> 00:41:11,311
Speaker 1: I guess in yarning with you that you know, our

755
00:41:11,391 --> 00:41:13,551
Speaker 1: experiences don't necessarily.

756
00:41:13,711 --> 00:41:18,631
Speaker 3: Define us, No, it just makes Yeah, they shape the

757
00:41:19,271 --> 00:41:22,871
Speaker 3: the wisdom and the resilience and that you know, that

758
00:41:23,071 --> 00:41:26,231
Speaker 3: sense of staunchness that we that we carry.

759
00:41:26,711 --> 00:41:29,031
Speaker 1: And you know, it's clear to me obviously.

760
00:41:28,751 --> 00:41:31,351
Speaker 3: That you know, you have been through so much and

761
00:41:31,591 --> 00:41:36,791
Speaker 3: yet here you are, you know, growing, healing and and

762
00:41:36,911 --> 00:41:38,671
Speaker 3: doing the best you can to show up. And you

763
00:41:38,791 --> 00:41:41,271
Speaker 3: mentioned throughout this conversation a few times, and I want

764
00:41:41,311 --> 00:41:43,711
Speaker 3: to to sort of respectfully see how you feel about

765
00:41:43,751 --> 00:41:46,711
Speaker 3: talking about this. But you know, we know, especially for

766
00:41:46,871 --> 00:41:49,711
Speaker 3: more that you know, our healing isn't linear. You know,

767
00:41:49,831 --> 00:41:53,271
Speaker 3: we sometimes have moments where we're doing really well and

768
00:41:53,431 --> 00:41:55,791
Speaker 3: we can show up, but yeah, and then we have

769
00:41:55,911 --> 00:41:58,511
Speaker 3: step backs and we you know, fall back and all

770
00:41:58,591 --> 00:42:00,511
Speaker 3: of that is a part of the process. And so

771
00:42:01,591 --> 00:42:02,951
Speaker 3: I want to just sort of you know, you mention

772
00:42:03,111 --> 00:42:05,191
Speaker 3: that you know, having issues with mental health, and there

773
00:42:05,191 --> 00:42:09,031
Speaker 3: are a lot of people who do myself listeners. It's

774
00:42:09,111 --> 00:42:11,471
Speaker 3: something that we all sort of navigate in times of

775
00:42:11,511 --> 00:42:13,151
Speaker 3: our lives or throughout our lives.

776
00:42:13,351 --> 00:42:16,351
Speaker 1: You know, how do you draw strength and support outside of,

777
00:42:16,471 --> 00:42:19,911
Speaker 1: say your culture, in managing some of those like harder

778
00:42:20,031 --> 00:42:22,191
Speaker 1: days where you just don't want to do it anymore

779
00:42:23,471 --> 00:42:25,151
Speaker 1: because you have so much drive.

780
00:42:25,311 --> 00:42:27,591
Speaker 3: And I'd love to because there might be people out

781
00:42:27,671 --> 00:42:29,951
Speaker 3: there who you know, are so inspired by you, but

782
00:42:30,111 --> 00:42:32,711
Speaker 3: might not be feeling their best selves right now as well.

783
00:42:32,831 --> 00:42:35,431
Speaker 1: And so yeah, yeah, I want to have that conversation,

784
00:42:35,671 --> 00:42:38,151
Speaker 1: you know, what gets you through the harder moments.

785
00:42:38,791 --> 00:42:44,351
Speaker 2: Oh that's a good one. I've you know, I'm still

786
00:42:44,551 --> 00:42:47,471
Speaker 2: only very young, Like I'm only twenty, Like I'm an adult.

787
00:42:47,671 --> 00:42:50,991
Speaker 2: But to my family, I'm still a kid. Like I'm

788
00:42:50,991 --> 00:42:53,911
Speaker 2: still their baby. I'll always be their baby. But I

789
00:42:54,071 --> 00:42:58,991
Speaker 2: think the past, let's say like this year. This year

790
00:42:59,111 --> 00:43:01,831
Speaker 2: has been different for me. This year is the first

791
00:43:01,951 --> 00:43:06,231
Speaker 2: year where I'm not involved domestic violence. I'm not involved

792
00:43:06,271 --> 00:43:12,671
Speaker 2: around negative environments for needy people, I don't have negative relationships.

793
00:43:12,711 --> 00:43:15,471
Speaker 2: I'm away from all of that this year, And I

794
00:43:15,551 --> 00:43:17,911
Speaker 2: always sit down and think like wow, like my life

795
00:43:17,951 --> 00:43:21,831
Speaker 2: has actually gotten so much better. You know, my grandfather

796
00:43:21,911 --> 00:43:24,511
Speaker 2: that I did live with. He's gone into a nursing home.

797
00:43:25,071 --> 00:43:28,071
Speaker 2: That was that was hard because I was raised by

798
00:43:28,191 --> 00:43:30,911
Speaker 2: him for my whole life. You know, this time last year,

799
00:43:30,911 --> 00:43:33,111
Speaker 2: I was still at home with him. Everything was all great,

800
00:43:34,071 --> 00:43:36,791
Speaker 2: but in August he got quite sick and ended up

801
00:43:36,831 --> 00:43:40,151
Speaker 2: in hospital for about five months before transitioning into the home.

802
00:43:40,791 --> 00:43:42,671
Speaker 2: And it wasn't just hard on me, but it was

803
00:43:42,751 --> 00:43:44,871
Speaker 2: hard on him and to see him struggle so much.

804
00:43:45,271 --> 00:43:47,471
Speaker 2: It was really really tough. That whole time he was

805
00:43:47,511 --> 00:43:50,071
Speaker 2: in the hospital. I think I was there almost. It

806
00:43:50,351 --> 00:43:52,511
Speaker 2: wasn't every day, it was like every second day I

807
00:43:52,711 --> 00:43:55,191
Speaker 2: was in that hospital seeing him, whether it be for

808
00:43:55,271 --> 00:43:58,511
Speaker 2: a couple hours an hour, I was there. Every day.

809
00:43:58,591 --> 00:44:02,631
Speaker 2: I was there and I seen him struggle and it

810
00:44:02,751 --> 00:44:05,831
Speaker 2: was hard. And it wasn't until he actually went into

811
00:44:05,871 --> 00:44:08,711
Speaker 2: the nursing home. I was like shit, like what I do?

812
00:44:09,191 --> 00:44:13,071
Speaker 2: Because I had moved into my auntie's home when he

813
00:44:13,231 --> 00:44:15,511
Speaker 2: was in the hospital, and then like to be told

814
00:44:15,551 --> 00:44:18,271
Speaker 2: that he's going to a nurse and home. It's really hard,

815
00:44:18,671 --> 00:44:21,511
Speaker 2: very hard, especially because I see him as my dad,

816
00:44:21,671 --> 00:44:24,431
Speaker 2: Like that's like, that's my dad, you know, he raised

817
00:44:24,471 --> 00:44:26,391
Speaker 2: me for my baby, That's that's who I call my

818
00:44:26,511 --> 00:44:30,631
Speaker 2: dad and without him, I wouldn't have had any opportunities

819
00:44:30,671 --> 00:44:33,591
Speaker 2: in life or been able to do anything. And he

820
00:44:33,991 --> 00:44:36,071
Speaker 2: obviously never thought that he'd be able to go to

821
00:44:36,151 --> 00:44:38,231
Speaker 2: an earth or have to go to a nurse's name. Sorry,

822
00:44:38,551 --> 00:44:43,431
Speaker 2: so it's been so tough. And then obviously like it

823
00:44:43,551 --> 00:44:45,911
Speaker 2: split me and my older brother away from each other,

824
00:44:46,031 --> 00:44:49,471
Speaker 2: and like it's not just affecting me, but like my

825
00:44:49,591 --> 00:44:51,551
Speaker 2: older brother, like I have yarns with him on the

826
00:44:51,591 --> 00:44:53,951
Speaker 2: phone because we don't live together now, so we don't

827
00:44:53,951 --> 00:44:56,111
Speaker 2: really see each other, which is sad because we would

828
00:44:56,111 --> 00:44:58,871
Speaker 2: see each other every day. We lived together for twenty years.

829
00:45:00,791 --> 00:45:02,511
Speaker 2: So you know, I call him up on the phone

830
00:45:02,871 --> 00:45:05,711
Speaker 2: and I know he's struggling, but you know, men like

831
00:45:06,031 --> 00:45:09,431
Speaker 2: men don't show their emotions and they never do and

832
00:45:10,071 --> 00:45:12,271
Speaker 2: he only has just kind of opened up to me.

833
00:45:12,351 --> 00:45:14,871
Speaker 2: I'm like, thank you, like, thank you for opening up

834
00:45:14,911 --> 00:45:17,431
Speaker 2: because I want to help you. But it's hard with

835
00:45:17,551 --> 00:45:20,231
Speaker 2: men because yeah, they don't, you know, show up. But

836
00:45:20,391 --> 00:45:24,271
Speaker 2: it's important because you know, mental health is higher in

837
00:45:24,391 --> 00:45:29,271
Speaker 2: men obviously than women. But yeah, like without culture, I

838
00:45:29,351 --> 00:45:32,471
Speaker 2: guess the way I handle my mental health is a

839
00:45:32,551 --> 00:45:35,271
Speaker 2: lot different to what I used to. So I guess

840
00:45:35,311 --> 00:45:38,631
Speaker 2: in the past, I didn't understand how to take care

841
00:45:38,671 --> 00:45:42,311
Speaker 2: of my mental health and well being, when now I've accepted,

842
00:45:42,431 --> 00:45:44,911
Speaker 2: you know the fact that Pops in a nursing home.

843
00:45:45,071 --> 00:45:47,951
Speaker 2: I'm living with my Arnie. Life is good and my

844
00:45:47,951 --> 00:45:52,111
Speaker 2: at UNI. I go to the gym, I read books,

845
00:45:52,431 --> 00:45:55,711
Speaker 2: I go for walks, I see my pop still, which

846
00:45:55,831 --> 00:45:58,471
Speaker 2: is great. But I still have those days, in those

847
00:45:58,551 --> 00:46:02,231
Speaker 2: moments where I feel like, oh, like just give up

848
00:46:02,431 --> 00:46:05,351
Speaker 2: or you know, stuff this, or I can't do it.

849
00:46:06,111 --> 00:46:10,071
Speaker 2: But just like, positive self talk is really important, and

850
00:46:10,191 --> 00:46:12,751
Speaker 2: that's what I found that has helped me. So instead

851
00:46:12,791 --> 00:46:15,311
Speaker 2: of like sinantaying I can't, I can't account, you sit

852
00:46:15,391 --> 00:46:17,071
Speaker 2: there and say like, I can do it, because you

853
00:46:17,111 --> 00:46:19,751
Speaker 2: can do anything you mind to. And surrounding yourself with

854
00:46:19,871 --> 00:46:23,751
Speaker 2: good people and good energy is definitely a big factor.

855
00:46:24,391 --> 00:46:27,031
Speaker 2: Like if you're in a shit situation right now and

856
00:46:27,191 --> 00:46:29,871
Speaker 2: you know it's shit and you want to leave, leave now.

857
00:46:30,431 --> 00:46:33,111
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's how I, Yes, I handle my mental health.

858
00:46:33,231 --> 00:46:36,791
Speaker 2: It's just staying active and surrounding myself around good people

859
00:46:37,231 --> 00:46:37,711
Speaker 2: and I just.

860
00:46:39,271 --> 00:46:41,751
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I mean, you're as I said before, I

861
00:46:41,791 --> 00:46:43,751
Speaker 3: feel like I'm in the presence of an elder even

862
00:46:43,791 --> 00:46:47,791
Speaker 3: though you're twenty years old, because you know you and

863
00:46:47,991 --> 00:46:52,151
Speaker 3: your story holds such immense power and wisdom, and I

864
00:46:52,391 --> 00:46:57,071
Speaker 3: really appreciate you sharing those really beautiful, generous ways to

865
00:46:57,191 --> 00:46:58,111
Speaker 3: care for yourself, like.

866
00:46:58,151 --> 00:47:00,591
Speaker 2: Even with mental health, Like I don't just have mental

867
00:47:00,671 --> 00:47:04,231
Speaker 2: health from trauma from being careful, from losing loved ones,

868
00:47:04,711 --> 00:47:08,591
Speaker 2: but I have mental health from going to an athlete

869
00:47:09,431 --> 00:47:13,791
Speaker 2: to obviously not being the athlete anymore. That's a lot,

870
00:47:13,951 --> 00:47:16,431
Speaker 2: because there's some days where I go to the gym

871
00:47:16,511 --> 00:47:18,231
Speaker 2: and I'm like, why am I even at the gym,

872
00:47:18,351 --> 00:47:20,511
Speaker 2: Like I can't play rugby anymore? Like what am I

873
00:47:20,671 --> 00:47:23,671
Speaker 2: doing at the gym? Or trying to compare myself to

874
00:47:23,751 --> 00:47:26,311
Speaker 2: other people at the gym, Like I don't care anymore,

875
00:47:26,391 --> 00:47:27,911
Speaker 2: Like I just go to the gym, do my thing,

876
00:47:28,471 --> 00:47:30,311
Speaker 2: do it for my own mental health and well being,

877
00:47:30,391 --> 00:47:34,591
Speaker 2: on my own fitness. And you know, I still struggle

878
00:47:34,631 --> 00:47:37,271
Speaker 2: with my mental health every day. Definitely, there's still little

879
00:47:37,311 --> 00:47:39,791
Speaker 2: moments that I have, But I guess the main mental

880
00:47:39,831 --> 00:47:43,151
Speaker 2: health struggle is obviously rugby. You know, going from an

881
00:47:43,191 --> 00:47:47,311
Speaker 2: athlete to obviously nothing, it's so hard, but then having

882
00:47:47,351 --> 00:47:50,031
Speaker 2: to see all your friends succeed in that, like I'm

883
00:47:50,071 --> 00:47:52,671
Speaker 2: so proud of every one of my friends that are

884
00:47:52,711 --> 00:47:56,511
Speaker 2: still playing rugby and getting all the opportunities they get

885
00:47:56,551 --> 00:47:59,751
Speaker 2: in and winning their games and being able to play like,

886
00:47:59,991 --> 00:48:03,151
Speaker 2: good on you keep going. But yeah, I get really

887
00:48:03,191 --> 00:48:07,111
Speaker 2: bad from am I over watching rugby or just talking

888
00:48:07,151 --> 00:48:10,431
Speaker 2: about you know, girls playing it hard. But I have

889
00:48:10,511 --> 00:48:14,231
Speaker 2: good networks around me, so that definitely plays a key

890
00:48:14,751 --> 00:48:17,351
Speaker 2: in my life. Is all my support, like my family,

891
00:48:17,951 --> 00:48:20,911
Speaker 2: people can community, my elders. Yeah.

892
00:48:21,511 --> 00:48:24,951
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I guess I'm hearing you know, just that

893
00:48:25,031 --> 00:48:27,151
Speaker 3: there is not there's not a one size fits all,

894
00:48:27,191 --> 00:48:29,551
Speaker 3: and that there is always going to be inevitably struggles

895
00:48:29,591 --> 00:48:29,991
Speaker 3: in our life.

896
00:48:30,071 --> 00:48:34,191
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone's stuff is with mental health, whether it's small

897
00:48:34,311 --> 00:48:38,151
Speaker 2: or big struggles. Everyone has it. No one's perfect, no

898
00:48:38,271 --> 00:48:41,471
Speaker 2: one will ever be perfect. You'll have good weeks or

899
00:48:41,511 --> 00:48:43,471
Speaker 2: good days where you feel good and then you have

900
00:48:43,551 --> 00:48:46,791
Speaker 2: shit times and shit weeks, and like especially grieving, like

901
00:48:46,871 --> 00:48:50,071
Speaker 2: you talk about grieving, it comes and goes, It comes

902
00:48:50,111 --> 00:48:52,631
Speaker 2: and goes. You know, after I lost my brother, I

903
00:48:52,991 --> 00:48:57,151
Speaker 2: grieved for a few years like just on and then

904
00:48:57,231 --> 00:48:59,351
Speaker 2: it's like on and off, on and off, and it

905
00:48:59,511 --> 00:49:03,311
Speaker 2: happens like there's no time where grieving stuffs you'll always

906
00:49:03,391 --> 00:49:06,671
Speaker 2: grieve your grief from that trauma, all grief from that

907
00:49:06,831 --> 00:49:10,271
Speaker 2: loss always, But it's the way you handle it, you know.

908
00:49:10,391 --> 00:49:13,071
Speaker 2: I try and think of the positive things in life

909
00:49:13,151 --> 00:49:15,791
Speaker 2: and what I have in life because there's a lot

910
00:49:15,831 --> 00:49:17,511
Speaker 2: of mob out there that don't have what I have,

911
00:49:17,831 --> 00:49:21,351
Speaker 2: so I'm really grateful. Or it's you know, if I

912
00:49:21,471 --> 00:49:26,391
Speaker 2: see like or hear like about someone or some mob struggling,

913
00:49:26,871 --> 00:49:29,151
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, okay, like I've got that, but you don't,

914
00:49:29,271 --> 00:49:31,031
Speaker 2: So like I've got to be more grateful. So it

915
00:49:31,111 --> 00:49:34,551
Speaker 2: gives me a bit more gratitude, a lot of gratitude

916
00:49:34,631 --> 00:49:37,071
Speaker 2: because you know, there's so many people out there that

917
00:49:37,191 --> 00:49:39,471
Speaker 2: don't have what I have, and I'm just like, that's bad.

918
00:49:39,591 --> 00:49:43,511
Speaker 2: It's really sad. You know. I teach the bus to

919
00:49:43,791 --> 00:49:46,791
Speaker 2: Communion and I see homeless people all the time, and

920
00:49:47,191 --> 00:49:50,351
Speaker 2: it breaks my heart because people judge them so much,

921
00:49:50,791 --> 00:49:54,551
Speaker 2: but I can't. You know, my dad, we haven't had

922
00:49:54,631 --> 00:49:57,031
Speaker 2: contact with him since we were little, and last time

923
00:49:57,071 --> 00:50:00,711
Speaker 2: we heard, he was homeless in his car. But you know,

924
00:50:00,831 --> 00:50:04,191
Speaker 2: homeless people aren't bad people not They're not all people

925
00:50:04,391 --> 00:50:08,871
Speaker 2: Like No, that's sad to see them because I'm like shit,

926
00:50:08,991 --> 00:50:12,151
Speaker 2: like they're on the middle of the pathway having to

927
00:50:12,271 --> 00:50:14,911
Speaker 2: sleep when I've got a whole, big, nice house under

928
00:50:14,951 --> 00:50:17,991
Speaker 2: my roof. And yeah, just be grateful for what you

929
00:50:18,151 --> 00:50:19,511
Speaker 2: have and don't wish for more.

930
00:50:20,351 --> 00:50:23,271
Speaker 1: Yeah, such beautiful advice, my sis.

931
00:50:23,391 --> 00:50:25,551
Speaker 3: I really appreciate you sharing some of those, you know,

932
00:50:25,711 --> 00:50:28,591
Speaker 3: really practical and beautiful tips of ways that you care

933
00:50:28,631 --> 00:50:31,671
Speaker 3: for yourself and maybe inviting others to do the same.

934
00:50:32,031 --> 00:50:33,271
Speaker 1: I think you're right.

935
00:50:33,351 --> 00:50:36,471
Speaker 3: Everybody does struggle from time to time or have periods

936
00:50:36,511 --> 00:50:39,511
Speaker 3: in their life where they're in the struggle, and the

937
00:50:39,631 --> 00:50:46,311
Speaker 3: power of gratitude, of finding community, of finding culture, having

938
00:50:46,391 --> 00:50:48,951
Speaker 3: good people and movement and being.

939
00:50:48,871 --> 00:50:50,391
Speaker 1: Active can help.

940
00:50:50,551 --> 00:50:52,871
Speaker 3: And also just a bit of grace sometimes that we're

941
00:50:52,871 --> 00:50:55,511
Speaker 3: going to make mistakes and we're going to get things,

942
00:50:55,871 --> 00:50:58,551
Speaker 3: you know, we're going to be messy and maybe hard

943
00:50:58,631 --> 00:51:03,831
Speaker 3: on ourselves, and that this is a journey of learning

944
00:51:03,991 --> 00:51:08,351
Speaker 3: to love ourselves in ways that can feel difficult when

945
00:51:08,351 --> 00:51:09,151
Speaker 3: we haven't had.

946
00:51:09,031 --> 00:51:10,791
Speaker 1: Those early experiences as well.

947
00:51:11,271 --> 00:51:11,511
Speaker 2: Yeah.

948
00:51:12,551 --> 00:51:17,031
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, I mean, yeah, I just want to again

949
00:51:17,151 --> 00:51:19,871
Speaker 3: just acknowledge that, Yeah, what an incredible person you are.

950
00:51:20,031 --> 00:51:22,591
Speaker 3: You know, I know you've had some difficult experiences, but

951
00:51:23,471 --> 00:51:25,671
Speaker 3: if you strip back all of that experiences.

952
00:51:25,791 --> 00:51:27,831
Speaker 1: You know, you're more of your spirit.

953
00:51:27,591 --> 00:51:31,551
Speaker 3: Your heart and who you are is really important and

954
00:51:31,671 --> 00:51:36,871
Speaker 3: really valued, and I'm just so grateful for you. And yeah,

955
00:51:37,511 --> 00:51:39,951
Speaker 3: I just want to remind you that, yeah, your story

956
00:51:39,991 --> 00:51:42,071
Speaker 3: holds power and there's going to be people out here

957
00:51:42,151 --> 00:51:45,231
Speaker 3: who will be listening to this and be really inspired

958
00:51:46,191 --> 00:51:49,711
Speaker 3: and really grateful that you came on to share some

959
00:51:49,871 --> 00:51:52,391
Speaker 3: of your experiences and some of your wisdom with us.

960
00:51:53,111 --> 00:51:55,351
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, so thank you.

961
00:51:56,191 --> 00:51:57,951
Speaker 3: Anything else that you want to get off as we

962
00:51:58,111 --> 00:52:04,071
Speaker 3: close today's conversation, I will put Kiali's social media handle

963
00:52:04,711 --> 00:52:09,751
Speaker 3: and our mob our voices into our show notes, but yeah,

964
00:52:09,831 --> 00:52:11,831
Speaker 3: anything else that you want to get off your chairs

965
00:52:11,831 --> 00:52:13,991
Speaker 3: on my sist or anything else that you know you

966
00:52:14,151 --> 00:52:17,071
Speaker 3: feel called to share in this moment as we look

967
00:52:17,151 --> 00:52:20,311
Speaker 3: to close up today's beautiful conversation, just thank you.

968
00:52:20,351 --> 00:52:23,111
Speaker 2: For having me on the podcast. And you know, to

969
00:52:23,231 --> 00:52:27,631
Speaker 2: all my support networks, my family, my people in my community.

970
00:52:28,271 --> 00:52:32,711
Speaker 2: You know, without their support, I wouldn't obviously be here today.

971
00:52:32,751 --> 00:52:35,031
Speaker 2: What I'm doing in the shout out to the MOB

972
00:52:35,111 --> 00:52:39,271
Speaker 2: at all younger. Their support and like their support networks

973
00:52:39,351 --> 00:52:43,511
Speaker 2: for MOB is so amazing. So yeah, thank you for

974
00:52:43,591 --> 00:52:46,431
Speaker 2: allowing me to use this space to recording today and

975
00:52:46,551 --> 00:52:48,991
Speaker 2: yet as a proud Aboriginal woman, like I'm committed to

976
00:52:49,191 --> 00:52:52,311
Speaker 2: making a difference for my people in my community, you know,

977
00:52:52,471 --> 00:52:55,511
Speaker 2: using my voice and to anyone piecing challenges, like your

978
00:52:55,511 --> 00:52:57,791
Speaker 2: story matters, like no matter what you've been through, and

979
00:52:58,311 --> 00:53:00,711
Speaker 2: you can rise above and there's always support around you

980
00:53:00,831 --> 00:53:03,671
Speaker 2: and you can achieve anything you want. So yeah, and

981
00:53:03,991 --> 00:53:06,111
Speaker 2: screw forward together and thank you for having me on

982
00:53:06,191 --> 00:53:06,791
Speaker 2: your podcast.

983
00:53:07,391 --> 00:53:10,791
Speaker 3: Well what a beautiful way to sort of try best

984
00:53:10,831 --> 00:53:13,031
Speaker 3: to close this part of your journey, which is still

985
00:53:13,151 --> 00:53:14,191
Speaker 3: very much developing.

986
00:53:14,351 --> 00:53:16,951
Speaker 1: But that, yeah, knowing that your story matters.

987
00:53:17,551 --> 00:53:23,151
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're all work. And I actually want to read

988
00:53:23,311 --> 00:53:27,471
Speaker 2: a text message that my pop sent to me. He's

989
00:53:27,871 --> 00:53:31,671
Speaker 2: blessing him. I love him to be its big shout

990
00:53:31,671 --> 00:53:33,151
Speaker 2: out to him. Not that he would probably listen to

991
00:53:33,231 --> 00:53:35,031
Speaker 2: this because he didn't know how to come on a podcast,

992
00:53:35,191 --> 00:53:38,711
Speaker 2: but all good, I will, you know, send him the recording.

993
00:53:39,271 --> 00:53:41,591
Speaker 2: I sent him a video of me at the gym.

994
00:53:42,631 --> 00:53:44,431
Speaker 2: I'm very proud of myself at the gym because, you know,

995
00:53:44,951 --> 00:53:48,751
Speaker 2: going from playing footy to nothing and lifting the weights

996
00:53:48,751 --> 00:53:53,111
Speaker 2: I've been lifting. You know, there's always people out there

997
00:53:53,391 --> 00:53:55,991
Speaker 2: and every time I Pop sends me a message like this,

998
00:53:56,711 --> 00:54:00,271
Speaker 2: it makes me a bit emotional. But he sent a

999
00:54:00,351 --> 00:54:04,511
Speaker 2: message last night saying good night, I love you, so

1000
00:54:04,711 --> 00:54:08,031
Speaker 2: proud of you. Never give up. I'll see you on Saturday.

1001
00:54:08,271 --> 00:54:10,111
Speaker 2: So I just wanted to put that out there because

1002
00:54:10,191 --> 00:54:14,671
Speaker 2: he is so sweet. And yeah, never give up, Yeah,

1003
00:54:15,351 --> 00:54:16,551
Speaker 2: beautifully said Pop.

1004
00:54:16,671 --> 00:54:18,551
Speaker 1: And what a really beautiful reminder.

1005
00:54:18,671 --> 00:54:22,351
Speaker 3: And it's clear that you're out here not giving up,

1006
00:54:22,591 --> 00:54:25,031
Speaker 3: and you're helping light the way for a lot of

1007
00:54:25,071 --> 00:54:25,871
Speaker 3: other flows.

1008
00:54:25,911 --> 00:54:29,151
Speaker 2: Come yes, yeah, and I can always sit there. I

1009
00:54:29,271 --> 00:54:33,591
Speaker 2: think like there's sometimes way like UNI's great. I love UNI,

1010
00:54:33,711 --> 00:54:37,071
Speaker 2: but sometimes you don't have good days at UNI, and

1011
00:54:37,151 --> 00:54:39,631
Speaker 2: you feel like giving up, and or like even at

1012
00:54:39,631 --> 00:54:41,551
Speaker 2: the gym, I feel like giving up. And in the

1013
00:54:41,631 --> 00:54:43,431
Speaker 2: back of my head, I'm like, nah, I can't give up.

1014
00:54:43,511 --> 00:54:47,351
Speaker 2: Not for my Pop. I'm doing everything for myself, but

1015
00:54:47,911 --> 00:54:50,271
Speaker 2: for the people who've raised me like I want to

1016
00:54:50,711 --> 00:54:52,711
Speaker 2: and just like in general, like I want to prove

1017
00:54:52,911 --> 00:54:55,351
Speaker 2: everyone who said I couldn't do this. I want to

1018
00:54:55,391 --> 00:54:58,311
Speaker 2: prove them wrong, Like I am proving them wrong, you know,

1019
00:54:58,831 --> 00:55:02,831
Speaker 2: I want to prove all of them wrong. So yeah, yeah,

1020
00:55:02,991 --> 00:55:05,711
Speaker 2: so thank you giving me on here. I really appreciate it,

1021
00:55:05,831 --> 00:55:09,271
Speaker 2: and yeah, I love listening to this podcast all the time,

1022
00:55:09,431 --> 00:55:11,991
Speaker 2: so to be a special guest on here daybe definitely

1023
00:55:12,111 --> 00:55:13,791
Speaker 2: means a lot to thank you.

1024
00:55:14,711 --> 00:55:17,231
Speaker 3: Thank you my sis, I'm so grateful for you in

1025
00:55:17,311 --> 00:55:20,871
Speaker 3: your time, and yeah, reminding us to keep going when

1026
00:55:20,951 --> 00:55:23,671
Speaker 3: we can and give ourselves grace when we can't.

1027
00:55:23,871 --> 00:55:29,991
Speaker 4: So yeah, thank you or love yes, thank you so

1028
00:55:30,191 --> 00:55:32,751
Speaker 4: much for listening you mob. If you are vibing this

1029
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Speaker 4: season and yarning up, then please head over to Apple, Spotify,

1030
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Speaker 4: or wherever you get your podcasts from to show us.

1031
00:55:41,031 --> 00:55:43,031
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1032
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1033
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