WEBVTT - ‘That’s Triggering!’ Is Therapy-Speak Changing Our Relationships?

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<v Speaker 1>Life on Cut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country whose

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<v Speaker 1>lands were never seated. We pay our respects to their

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<v Speaker 1>elders past and present.

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<v Speaker 2>Always was, always will be Aboriginal Land. This episode was

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<v Speaker 2>recorded on Cameragle Land Daddy Vibe.

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<v Speaker 1>We just text all the time. Get sure my dad

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<v Speaker 1>text it all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>It texts when I dropped Elilah to him and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>did she get there?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? Sometimes on his birthday, Oh that's cute. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>remember when we first started the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I would always be like, fuck, your dad's hot, and

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<v Speaker 2>you were like, you need to stop.

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<v Speaker 1>He does one hundred pull ups the morning at four

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<v Speaker 1>thirty Din tell He's hi, guys, and welcome back to

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<v Speaker 1>another episode of Life on Cut. I'm Laura, I'm Brittany.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm giving the rock today. Anna Why. I looked at

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<v Speaker 1>myself in the mirror when I got ready and I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have time to change, and I was like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I look like the rock in that really famous photo.

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<v Speaker 1>This is exactly that photo. And I actually had a

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<v Speaker 1>chain around my turtleneck that I've got on. I had

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<v Speaker 1>a chain and I was like, I can't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Does the rock wear Gucci crocs. You realized that the

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<v Speaker 1>rock is the richest man in Hollywood. Yeah, he does.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the photo where it's black. It's the one that

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<v Speaker 1>everyone goes as Halloween. It's because of the belt and

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<v Speaker 1>the color jeans with a turtleneck. That's why I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's giving right, and you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Bulging del toy now that you've said this, if you

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<v Speaker 2>just put a bum bag on, thank you complete look.

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent. And I was like, I probably have

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<v Speaker 1>time to quickly put a different top on, but I

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<v Speaker 1>was like just going to lean in. But hot rock,

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<v Speaker 1>hot rock, hot rock. I'll take it. Yeah, thanks like hot,

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean that's very what is it? Eighties? What

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<v Speaker 1>one say? Yes, the rock from the eighties nineties. You

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<v Speaker 1>look great.

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<v Speaker 2>You look great today if you have been saying, which

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to know, because this is what always happens,

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<v Speaker 2>whenever something funny happens in our lives, we're like.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so I've been wanting to know what it is

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<v Speaker 2>that you've been keeping secret from me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a secret, but I just had this. It

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<v Speaker 1>was funny. I had this realization and had to chuckle

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<v Speaker 1>to myself out loud, and I wanted to tell you

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<v Speaker 1>guys straight away because it involves you a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>But then I was not enough save it for the pod. No,

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<v Speaker 1>so Ben and I in the last little week sent

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<v Speaker 1>out like save the date kind of wedding invites. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>got it, thank you for that. So just to double down,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah you haven't responded, I did RSVP straight away.

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<v Speaker 2>I was probably the first person to RSVP with Matt

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<v Speaker 2>RSVP two to all events, all three. I RSVP to

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<v Speaker 2>the Brittany and Ben spectacular. Okay, every single one.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, it's a couple of days, DOMPI dramatic to the

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<v Speaker 1>five day fucking affair. I met every single thing. It's

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<v Speaker 1>one month, it's twenty eight events. You want me at

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<v Speaker 1>the breakfast, the brunch, and the dinner. I am their girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't even given you all of it yet. So half,

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<v Speaker 1>for anyone that's new, half of our wedding is foreign

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<v Speaker 1>and half is Australian. So Ben is Swiss, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>also lived a lot of the time over in UK

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<v Speaker 1>and in Germany and wherever else, so a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>his people are coming from that kind of part of

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<v Speaker 1>the world.

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<v Speaker 2>When you said half of the wedding is you made

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<v Speaker 2>it sound like it's a traveling circus.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to do half of it in Australia that

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to take it. It's a well tool we

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<v Speaker 1>could be. It's going to be a wonderful wedding. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so half all of his side, none of them Australian

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<v Speaker 1>on his side except me. So we send the invites

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<v Speaker 1>out and Ben's like, Babe, I've been getting into like

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<v Speaker 1>these random messages about the wedding, just like yesterday, one

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<v Speaker 1>of my friends messaged me and went dress code question mark,

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<v Speaker 1>and so Ben wrote back and was like, oh yeah, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>brite set the dress code and he was like okay.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, but what is it done? No, because we

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<v Speaker 1>put the dress code on there, done nothing. A day later,

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<v Speaker 1>one of his other friends gets a message they made

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<v Speaker 1>the missus wants to ask about the dress code question

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<v Speaker 1>mark question mark. A couple of days go past, and

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't heard about it yet. I don't hear about

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<v Speaker 1>them individually. But after he got a couple he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so weird people keep asking me about the dress

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<v Speaker 1>code and I'm like, that is weird. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>because our dress code is not like, it's pretty standard.

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<v Speaker 1>This happens four or five times, and then one of

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<v Speaker 1>his female friends messages, hey, I just wanted to follow

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<v Speaker 1>up about the dress code and he's like, yes, what

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<v Speaker 1>is the problem? They write the dress code. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's okay, and she was like, well, how strict is it?

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<v Speaker 1>And he was like, well, pretty strict. I guess that's

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<v Speaker 1>what she's decided she wants. And she's like, well, what

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<v Speaker 1>if it doesn't go with my dress? And he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure, whatever's going to go. He's like he was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>so confused. He's like, I'm sure it's going to be fine,

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<v Speaker 1>and she goes, well, I just think it's a bit extreme,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was like, I don't understand what the problem is.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, I'm sorry, the dress code is not extreme,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that you'll figure it out. And this

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<v Speaker 1>goes back and forth, back and forth, back and forth.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not involved at right. He sends me this conversation

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<v Speaker 1>and then she goes, well, I don't understand how she's

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<v Speaker 1>going to know if I if I wear it, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, she's gonna know, she's going to see it,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's like, well, that's a bit perverted. And he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand, and she's like, who in their right

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<v Speaker 1>mind would make us wear and enforce no songs? And

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<v Speaker 1>then Ben was like, Ben was like, they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be on your feet, she'll see them. And she went

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<v Speaker 1>hang on feet and he was like, yeah, your feet

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<v Speaker 1>and she was like, but a thong is a g

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<v Speaker 1>string and he was like, oh my god, there is

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<v Speaker 1>a language barrier here. So Ben calls me and he goes, Babe,

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<v Speaker 1>half of the wedding things you've said they're not allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to wear g strings, strict enforcement briefs or nothing, bridge

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<v Speaker 1>joneses or nothing. And it makes so much sense why

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<v Speaker 1>so many people were messaging and being like dress cone

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<v Speaker 1>qush mark. Do you remember when it was our wedding?

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<v Speaker 2>So like when Matt and I got married, we made

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<v Speaker 2>one of those like I don't know, like the is

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<v Speaker 2>a WEBSHD or a web whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like you go online and you fill it all

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<v Speaker 1>out online.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you put all of the information for the

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<v Speaker 2>wedding on like a little website, right that idea. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the same type of thing, and so that's where

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<v Speaker 2>you put your your dress code and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, except Britta and I never got it y good things.

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<v Speaker 2>So we made this website and I didn't realize that,

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<v Speaker 2>like because I mean it was pre COVID, and like,

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<v Speaker 2>we're pretty fucking unorganized. And I asked Matt to fill

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<v Speaker 2>out half of it, and I feeled out half of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of his thing to fill out was the dress code,

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<v Speaker 2>and he had just like, because you have to populate

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<v Speaker 2>before you can move on to the next page. So

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<v Speaker 2>he populated some things without it being serious, just so

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<v Speaker 2>that we could flick through to the next page to

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<v Speaker 2>put all the important information in. And he had every

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<v Speaker 2>intention to go back and fix those things.

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<v Speaker 1>Like a placeholder.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, except he didn't go back and didn't fix

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<v Speaker 2>those things. And so we sent out wedding invitation with

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<v Speaker 2>the dress code dress sexy, and that went out.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, mind dress sexy, that's okay. Ben's nana got no.

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<v Speaker 2>G strings one of those mirrored aisles. Also, at what age,

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<v Speaker 2>what age you record you stop wearing a G string? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>because it would I can't imagine I mean, bless her,

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<v Speaker 2>she's gone now, but I couldn't imagine Nana wearing a

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<v Speaker 2>G string.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine mine Nana wearing a G string. When

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<v Speaker 1>do you give up? When do you say not for

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<v Speaker 1>me anymore? I want to be hugged forever. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think it's your ass, to be honest, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>your lips, like it's on the fallen outside. I think

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<v Speaker 1>when it gets a bit like more relaxed down there,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say relaxed over looser, but like gravity,

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<v Speaker 1>when it ages, gravity takes over. I imagine that would be

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<v Speaker 1>super uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>You know when you said that, the only thing I

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<v Speaker 2>thought straight away was, oh, someone's going to be angry

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<v Speaker 2>at you because you said lips are not lady.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone's going to be so mad that you didn't say vulva. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but then when we say labia, we get in trouble too.

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<v Speaker 1>Stop talking abou Laura's leaby being cut off. Sorry if

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<v Speaker 1>she wants to cut off. But I had to go

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<v Speaker 1>back onto the website, and then I updated the wedding invitation,

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<v Speaker 1>so I kept it all the same. It still says

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<v Speaker 1>like no thongs, but then I had to write in

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<v Speaker 1>brackets for all your Europeans thongs means flip flops. You can,

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<v Speaker 1>in fact still wear a G string. That's what I

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<v Speaker 1>wrote that I sent that out, So now now that's

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<v Speaker 1>gone to Ben's nan. So now Ben's nan, I have

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<v Speaker 1>confirmed that if she wants to she can wear No. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Nantan has passedway, but he has other people she

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<v Speaker 1>dressing peace. She can wear whatever you want. I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt bad making the joke about his nan, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I was like, she's not here anymore. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so it went out to a lot of people. It

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't have gone out to pleasant b How was your weekend? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so my weekend. My weekend was great.

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<v Speaker 2>It was very long because it was like, well, it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't really the long weekend. But we went down to

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<v Speaker 2>Aladalla on Thursday and had four nights down south. And

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<v Speaker 2>so if you guys are not following, or if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't follow social media, you might not know this, but

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<v Speaker 2>Matt and I we are renovating a house down in

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<v Speaker 2>Ala Dollar. It's about three hours drive from Sydney. So

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<v Speaker 2>we went down there on the weekend. And if you

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<v Speaker 2>listened to last week's episode, it's kind of like beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>synchronicity that happened. So last week on Tuesday, EP I

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<v Speaker 2>was talking about how Matt and the kids and I

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<v Speaker 2>had all been to this reptile park and how I

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<v Speaker 2>am sick for the reptiles.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you do love a reptile. A great reptile park.

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<v Speaker 2>I should go there one day, but never as a

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<v Speaker 2>non parent did I get myself there. But on the

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<v Speaker 2>weekend I went with Matt. I went with the kids,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was like dreams come true. I had so

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<v Speaker 2>much fun. I love reptiles. So the reptiles heard. They

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<v Speaker 2>listened to Life Uncut, and they got the memo, the

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<v Speaker 2>four one one.

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<v Speaker 1>They know that I love the snakes and leave a review. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because otherwise I don't want to know about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Posts here from the reptile parks. Okay, well you fucking.

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<v Speaker 1>Know what happened. Don't pretend like your shop Brittany, what happened?

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<v Speaker 1>Trying to move it along.

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<v Speaker 2>So we go down to the house on Saturday and

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<v Speaker 2>we were cleaning up the gardens and about halfway through

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<v Speaker 2>the day, as we were walking down the side of

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<v Speaker 2>the house, this massive python and I'm talking like almost.

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<v Speaker 1>Two meters python is slithering up the fence line and

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<v Speaker 1>Matt was still inside. It wasn't Matt's python.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was slithering up like between the border between

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<v Speaker 2>our property and the neighbors, and the neighbors had come

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<v Speaker 2>out to look at it as well, and they were

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<v Speaker 2>all making jokes like, oh, whose house is it gonna

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<v Speaker 2>go into?

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<v Speaker 1>Not really like yours, motherfucker. Yeah, not a funny joke.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, it went into the bushes, and because we'd cut

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<v Speaker 2>down a couple of like dead trees, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>for a minute thought maybe we had cut down its home,

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<v Speaker 2>like we'd cut down where it had been living. And

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<v Speaker 2>so it was feeling a bit displaced because it was

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<v Speaker 2>quite cute.

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<v Speaker 1>Nah, not cute. It was like twenty meters long.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't cute. It could eat you. No, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>a bowl constrictor. It was a diamond python hot. And

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<v Speaker 2>so it was in the bushes and it was like

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<v Speaker 2>hanging down and we were cleaning up. We were watching

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<v Speaker 2>it for half the day, and I kept saying to Matt,

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<v Speaker 2>do you think we should get a snake catcher out?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think we should get a snake ketch? And

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, nah, it's fine, like it's in the bush,

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<v Speaker 2>let it go. Anyway, we'd stopped paying attention to the

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<v Speaker 2>snake for a while, and we were still cleaning up

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<v Speaker 2>this back area and I look up and as I

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<v Speaker 2>look up into the tree, the fucking snake has climbed up.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's this one bit where the tree is like

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit close to the roof of the house,

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<v Speaker 2>and it is just long, skinny neck is reaching out

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<v Speaker 2>from the tree and it's trying to get towards the

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<v Speaker 2>hot tiles of the roof.

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<v Speaker 1>And before we could stop it, I went and I

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<v Speaker 1>got the broom, and I was trying to know, what

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<v Speaker 1>were you going to do?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I was trying to broom it out of the roof,

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<v Speaker 2>so I had the broom handle, and I was trying

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<v Speaker 2>to gently because I don't want hurt it, because I

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<v Speaker 2>love snakes. So I was like trying to like get

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<v Speaker 2>it out of the roof anyway. I like, I knocked

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<v Speaker 2>it once and then it didn't like that, and so

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<v Speaker 2>then it just went a bit faster, and all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden, this big ass, which it had just eaten

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<v Speaker 2>because I had a big, fat belly, had crawled into

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<v Speaker 2>the roof of our house. So at that point I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, cool, Matt, I think we should probably call

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<v Speaker 2>the snake catcher.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I think we should probably burn down the house.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't move.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking about the fact that you have a small cat. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not good for Raspberry. Hey, you haven't seen Raspberry

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<v Speaker 1>a few days. Not thinking of the cat. Also no

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<v Speaker 1>good if we have a newborn either, that's not funny.

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<v Speaker 1>You'd better not do it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I get this number for a local snake catcher, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So I call.

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<v Speaker 1>Him Marp and he hello, my darling, Hello me dear.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, so irish, I do know. Is this

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<v Speaker 1>man real? You're watching Lord of the Roof. He's real?

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, look, we've got a snake in

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<v Speaker 2>the roof. Can you come out and help me? And

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<v Speaker 2>he was like what would you like me to do

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<v Speaker 2>about it? And I was like, get it the fuck

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<v Speaker 2>out of my roof fleets. He goes, okay, send me

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<v Speaker 2>a video. So I send him a video of the

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<v Speaker 2>snake and he calls me right back and he goes, ah,

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<v Speaker 2>a diamond python.

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<v Speaker 1>It's beautiful. Now. Explain to me, darling, why do you

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<v Speaker 1>want to get it out of the roof.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, because I think it's living there,

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<v Speaker 2>and he goes, yes, you are right, it has been.

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<v Speaker 2>It's its home. I would even bet it's been there

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<v Speaker 2>for many years. You probably have lots of snakes in

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<v Speaker 2>your roof because they like to live together. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I think you need to understand that this

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<v Speaker 2>is horrifying for me, and we are kind of vibing

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<v Speaker 2>on a different frequency right now. I said, oh, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's gonna come out anytime soon because

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's just eaten, and he can and goes, no,

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<v Speaker 2>my dear, I don't think it's eaten. I think it's pregnant.

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<v Speaker 2>And is it splendid?

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, you're far because have you seen a

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<v Speaker 1>snake give birth? It doesn't have one fifteen to twenty eggs?

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<v Speaker 1>And then some the size of that python, I reckon

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<v Speaker 1>she's having fifty. Are you're gonna have fifty? From my

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<v Speaker 1>python experience.

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<v Speaker 2>Print me the button tamer that was from a different

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<v Speaker 2>phase of life though, and it wasn't a python, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Reckon, it's gonna have like fifty baby pythons. Imagine if

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<v Speaker 1>you have fifty of those big giant things.

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<v Speaker 2>In your Yes, I know that is exactly how I felt,

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<v Speaker 2>and so pretty much told me he couldn't help me

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<v Speaker 2>because he couldn't access the python through the manhole of

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<v Speaker 2>the roof, and so the python is just there. He's

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<v Speaker 2>just living in the roof, chilling. To be clear, be

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<v Speaker 2>in a python. I don't think they actually I know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're like laughing. I don't think they actually do much.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're actually really good in terms of they

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<v Speaker 1>eat the rat.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what he said, Like, just think about it.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll never have any vermin or mice. How wonderful. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not good for Raspberry. But we do have a

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<v Speaker 2>massive python and it is living in the house.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm not I'm never coming.

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<v Speaker 2>We did have like really cool plans for long weekends

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<v Speaker 2>down there, but it's just not gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Now where does he get out of? Is there an

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<v Speaker 1>obvious hole gutter?

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<v Speaker 4>Well?

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<v Speaker 2>No, at the moment, the house is in all states

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<v Speaker 2>of deconstructed, so there's many holes.

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<v Speaker 3>Do the people who were doing the construction, no, because

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<v Speaker 3>they're about to get a real jump scare.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>So we called our builder, who is an absolute legend,

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<v Speaker 2>like this dude who's got four kids. He was like,

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<v Speaker 2>his name's Tom, and we called him and I was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>this is not not good times and he rocks up

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<v Speaker 2>in his truck with his four children and his wife

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<v Speaker 2>to look at it, to come and try and get

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<v Speaker 2>out of the roof because he was worried about his

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<v Speaker 2>workers and the reptile part. And they thought, this is

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<v Speaker 2>actually it's a free reptor for free reptile party.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you guys know, or you might not know, but

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<v Speaker 1>you will. Now I am a sucker for love is blind.

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<v Speaker 1>So love is blind. If you haven't seen it, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a very modern dating show where there's a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of men and a bunch of women and they go

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<v Speaker 1>into these pods that are separated pods. It's just a room, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but they go into these pods that's separated by these walls.

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<v Speaker 1>The men are on one side, the women on the other.

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<v Speaker 1>You go one woman per room, one man per room,

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<v Speaker 1>and you talk to each other and you get to

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<v Speaker 1>know each other and you write things down. You can

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<v Speaker 1>send gifts through the room and stuff, but you never

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<v Speaker 1>get to see each other.

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<v Speaker 2>One might think that it's based on the premise that

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<v Speaker 2>someone's personality is more important than.

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<v Speaker 1>The way they look. It's exactly what it is. The

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<v Speaker 1>whole idea is is love really blind? That's the question

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<v Speaker 1>they pose the antidote to online dating. Maybe yes, so

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<v Speaker 1>they it's like speed dating without seeing the other person.

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<v Speaker 1>So all the people move between the pods. You get

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<v Speaker 1>to speak to whoever you want, and then you form

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<v Speaker 1>these Then you decide if there's like maybe one or

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<v Speaker 1>two people that you want to pursue. Then at the

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<v Speaker 1>end you have to have chosen your person blind blindly.

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<v Speaker 1>Still then you get to meet. But the idea is

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<v Speaker 1>you propose you're getting married. You are getting married without

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<v Speaker 1>having seen each other. Then you go on a honeymoon

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<v Speaker 1>that everyone goes, and that's where sometimes the drama starts

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<v Speaker 1>to happen, because maybe one person might have had a

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<v Speaker 1>connection with someone else but chose the other person, but

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<v Speaker 1>then when they see them, they're more physically attracted to

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<v Speaker 1>the other person. Then it's like do they leave, do

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<v Speaker 1>they swap partners? Do they commit? It gets spicy. The

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<v Speaker 1>reason I wanted to talk about this is there's one

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<v Speaker 1>particular scene that happened episode two at the very start

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<v Speaker 1>between two people, Steven and Monica, that sort of stopped

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<v Speaker 1>me in my tracks a little bit, and I had

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<v Speaker 1>to rewind it and say, did I just hear that correctly?

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<v Speaker 1>So this happened in episode two season seven straight. At

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<v Speaker 1>the start of episode two, Steven and Monica they have

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<v Speaker 1>a conversation that really got me thinking about therapy tool

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<v Speaker 1>and people using therapy tool to manipulate situations.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's what I believe. You like someone for their qualities,

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<v Speaker 4>but you love someone for their flaws.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always been drawn to flaws.

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<v Speaker 4>I've in the same way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually my most recent relationship, since you know, we're already

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<v Speaker 4>getting into this, Yeah, I will divulge something that I

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<v Speaker 4>am not very proud of at all, but I wear

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<v Speaker 4>this brand and I think it's very important to be

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<v Speaker 4>honest about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So we're we're going to talk about cheating. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 4>technically hold the title of being a cheater. I've been

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<v Speaker 4>cheated on multiple times as well. I believed that this

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<v Speaker 4>person that I was dating at the time, I believed

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't deserve her. Everyone has a different concept of cheating.

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<v Speaker 4>One person's could be you know, looking at someone you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Someone else's could be an actual physical act. I basically

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<v Speaker 4>slid into a girl's DMS like a dumb ass, and

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<v Speaker 4>we were sting with intention. You're emotionally cheating at that

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<v Speaker 4>point I got caught, which I knew I would. I

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<v Speaker 4>was very disappointed with myself and there was a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of Yeah. I mean, if we went through therapy, we

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<v Speaker 4>figured it out. I'm actively in therapy to talk about

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<v Speaker 4>these things.

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<v Speaker 5>And by the way, I really appreciate you sharing with me,

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<v Speaker 5>and I want you to feel like you can tell

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<v Speaker 5>me anything, like we're all human. I'm thirty six years old,

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<v Speaker 5>Like it's not so black and white. The experiences that

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<v Speaker 5>I've had to deal with from cheating are woof they

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<v Speaker 5>are that's music grows and very very bad. And even

0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:48.440
<v Speaker 5>in those situations, I've always found a path to forgiveness.

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<v Speaker 1>I love how.

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<v Speaker 2>He's managed to victimize himself in that cheating situation, like

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<v Speaker 2>he's the one who acted outside of the relationship.

0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:58.440
<v Speaker 1>And obviously I know there's many reasons I people cheat.

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<v Speaker 2>We've talked about that a load of time, but in

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<v Speaker 2>that one conversation, he managed to make himself the victim

0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:08.080
<v Speaker 2>and gain her pity for his cheating.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, one hundred percent. But even the way he set

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<v Speaker 1>it up, you can tell he knows what he's doing.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what I think. I think he one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>percent knew what the outcome was going to be. He

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<v Speaker 1>was being vulnerable he dropped and he went to therapy.

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<v Speaker 1>He dropped that he only did it because he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>feel like she was good enough because she was such

0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:27.879
<v Speaker 1>a queen. And also when he says he's a cheater,

0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:31.119
<v Speaker 1>so he says, you know, I want to talk about cheating.

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<v Speaker 1>I cheated, but I've been cheated on loads of times too,

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<v Speaker 1>Like he quickly he didn't even sit in I'm a cheater.

0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:39.480
<v Speaker 1>He quickly went straight to but I've been cheated on

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<v Speaker 1>loads of times. He went straight to I'm a victim.

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<v Speaker 1>And I had to rewind the whole scene. And I

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<v Speaker 1>wonder how many people would have watched that and had

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<v Speaker 1>an issue with it. There are some online threads going around,

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<v Speaker 1>so I know that the people.

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<v Speaker 3>Have I saw some things on Facebook groups and that

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<v Speaker 3>kind of thing for Love is Blind that were very divided, and.

0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:58.119
<v Speaker 1>Half of the people were like, hang on a second.

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<v Speaker 3>He just made himself exactly how we all felt, you know,

0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:02.320
<v Speaker 3>he just made himself the victim in a narrative where

0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:04.760
<v Speaker 3>he was actually the person doing the wrong thing. But

0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:07.920
<v Speaker 3>the other half of people were saying, at least he's

0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:10.840
<v Speaker 3>honest about it, like, at least he's kind of coming

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<v Speaker 3>forward with this information and she doesn't need to ask

0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:18.280
<v Speaker 3>him these questions, and he's being truthful about his past experiences.

0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:20.359
<v Speaker 2>But I also think that that's been reflected recently and

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<v Speaker 2>the whole David Groll thing foo fighters. If you guys

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<v Speaker 2>are across it, which I'm sure you are, he has

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<v Speaker 2>fathered a child outside of his twenty something year marriage,

0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:32.640
<v Speaker 2>and the social discourse around that was so interesting because

0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:34.760
<v Speaker 2>some people were like, Wow, what a flog he cheated

0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:37.399
<v Speaker 2>on his wife and had a baby with an adulterous affair.

0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:40.479
<v Speaker 2>But the other part of the conversations was, well, at

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<v Speaker 2>least he came out and he was honest, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>acknowledged the baby, and he's going to be a good dad.

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<v Speaker 1>What a great guy. If he's taking accountability for accountability.

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<v Speaker 2>It is fascinating to me the way in which we

0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:55.320
<v Speaker 2>are able to frame some things, and we can frame

0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:59.680
<v Speaker 2>our shortcomings in a way that garner empathy and garner sympathy.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not saying that this is black and white,

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<v Speaker 2>because I do think that there are absolutely instances where

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<v Speaker 2>someone's shortcomings and the things that they do that might

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<v Speaker 2>hurt someone else very well can be the byproduct of

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<v Speaker 2>the unfortunate situations that they've experienced themselves. But I do

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<v Speaker 2>think that the language that's used is a way in

0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:21.840
<v Speaker 2>order to gain favor, especially in this instance. It got

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<v Speaker 2>me thinking about an article I read recently which was

0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:26.840
<v Speaker 2>from Glamar. Now it was from last year, but the

0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:29.160
<v Speaker 2>article itself was talking about how a lot of women

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<v Speaker 2>prefer to date men who are either in therapy or

0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:35.200
<v Speaker 2>who have gone to therapy because it shows that they

0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:37.720
<v Speaker 2>are more emotionally in touch and that they're working on

0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:40.720
<v Speaker 2>themselves and their own mental health. So I was speaking

0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:43.320
<v Speaker 2>to Matt about this and I was like, surely, then

0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:45.480
<v Speaker 2>if people if it is known that this is a

0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:48.920
<v Speaker 2>desirable attribute that some women want, surely this is something

0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:51.160
<v Speaker 2>that can then be used as a way to kind

0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:54.080
<v Speaker 2>of garner affection or get a woman over the line.

0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:57.080
<v Speaker 2>And Matt was like, talking about therapy is akin to

0:21:57.160 --> 0:21:59.800
<v Speaker 2>talking about puppies. He's like, it is a green flag

0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:02.320
<v Speaker 2>if a guy is on a first date talking about

0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh look, this is really hard for me to tell

0:22:03.880 --> 0:22:05.960
<v Speaker 2>you about, Like, you know, I go to therapy. I

0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:09.480
<v Speaker 2>think that there's a fine line between endorsing it, which

0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:11.520
<v Speaker 2>we obviously do on this podcast, and we talk about

0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:13.719
<v Speaker 2>how amazing it is to be able to go do

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<v Speaker 2>therapy and be able to have moments to talk about

0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:18.520
<v Speaker 2>yourself and work on your mental health. But I also

0:22:18.600 --> 0:22:22.000
<v Speaker 2>think keep those blinkers wide open for people who may

0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:25.040
<v Speaker 2>use that as a way to try and prove that

0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:26.119
<v Speaker 2>they are something that they're not.

0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:29.040
<v Speaker 3>I question why that might be the case, because I

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<v Speaker 3>think that the implication is that they are potentially at

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<v Speaker 3>least more aware, perhaps of their emotions if they're going

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<v Speaker 3>to therapy.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there will be exceptions, some are court mandated therapy.

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<v Speaker 3>But always Like, I'm trying to think about the positives

0:22:45.240 --> 0:22:47.520
<v Speaker 3>as to why women would be like I want a

0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:49.840
<v Speaker 3>guy who has been to therapy, and I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>all about taking accountability for your own shit. And I

0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:56.160
<v Speaker 3>think that it is somewhat dangerous for us to equate

0:22:56.480 --> 0:23:00.720
<v Speaker 3>going to therapy with actually owning stuff and take accountability

0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:02.920
<v Speaker 3>for behavior, you know, I don't think that these things

0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:04.200
<v Speaker 3>automatically align.

0:23:04.680 --> 0:23:07.800
<v Speaker 2>I also really want to be careful with this because

0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:10.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't want this to sound at all like we're

0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:13.720
<v Speaker 2>stigmatizing people who do go to therapy or people who

0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:16.280
<v Speaker 2>talk about the fact that they go. And I think

0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:19.280
<v Speaker 2>it's really important because like it's not just gendered. There

0:23:19.320 --> 0:23:23.080
<v Speaker 2>are a lot of very conscious and intentional men out

0:23:23.119 --> 0:23:25.280
<v Speaker 2>there who are going to therapy and it has been

0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:28.640
<v Speaker 2>hugely beneficial to them, and they don't feel shame around

0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:31.640
<v Speaker 2>talking about it, and therefore that's the reason why they've

0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:33.959
<v Speaker 2>brought it up. I think it's more so for me.

0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:37.000
<v Speaker 2>This whole idea of like therapy talk is when someone

0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:39.920
<v Speaker 2>has learnt the language, they've learned the tools, they're not

0:23:39.960 --> 0:23:42.280
<v Speaker 2>actually implementing it in their life, but they use it

0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:45.280
<v Speaker 2>as a way to make themselves sound smarter, to make

0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:48.480
<v Speaker 2>themselves seem like they are superior or authoritative in a way,

0:23:48.800 --> 0:23:52.240
<v Speaker 2>and that almost like diminishes, especially within a relationship as well,

0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:55.000
<v Speaker 2>it diminishes the thing that the other person might be experiencing.

0:23:55.440 --> 0:23:57.840
<v Speaker 2>The example of this and where I think we've seen

0:23:57.880 --> 0:24:01.920
<v Speaker 2>it more recently in like social discourse is a situation

0:24:02.000 --> 0:24:05.160
<v Speaker 2>with Jonah Hill last year. So last year we saw

0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:06.959
<v Speaker 2>Jonah Hill. We did a big episode on it all

0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:10.960
<v Speaker 2>around him using the word boundaries to set limitations on

0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:14.159
<v Speaker 2>his ex girlfriend Sarah Brady, who he'd said, it's my

0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:18.119
<v Speaker 2>boundary that you don't go and surf with other men, and.

0:24:18.119 --> 0:24:20.800
<v Speaker 1>It's my boundary that you don't post a bikini fils.

0:24:20.840 --> 0:24:23.359
<v Speaker 2>It's my boundary that you behave in a way that

0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:27.199
<v Speaker 2>I expect you to. And we unpacked on that episode

0:24:27.280 --> 0:24:31.640
<v Speaker 2>this conversation around how a boundary is a limitation for yourself,

0:24:31.640 --> 0:24:34.320
<v Speaker 2>it can't be a limitation for someone else, and that

0:24:34.480 --> 0:24:36.840
<v Speaker 2>to me wreaked of someone who had been to therapy,

0:24:37.280 --> 0:24:40.960
<v Speaker 2>had learnt the tools, but then was intentionally abusing those

0:24:41.000 --> 0:24:44.560
<v Speaker 2>tools in order to coercive control their partner in a relationship.

0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:47.040
<v Speaker 1>But at the end of the day, not everybody is

0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:49.280
<v Speaker 1>cut from the same cloth. There could be people that

0:24:49.320 --> 0:24:53.400
<v Speaker 1>go to therapy that are still wankers, women and men. Right,

0:24:53.880 --> 0:24:55.240
<v Speaker 1>you still a dickhead, You're still want to do the

0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:57.320
<v Speaker 1>same thing. Yeah, there are people that go to therapy

0:24:57.720 --> 0:25:00.399
<v Speaker 1>that they come out the other side, Like Jesus, there

0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:02.800
<v Speaker 1>are people that will never need to go to therapy

0:25:02.840 --> 0:25:05.800
<v Speaker 1>and they're still wonderful people. Like I think, just putting

0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:07.800
<v Speaker 1>that limitation on yourself for dating that you have to

0:25:07.840 --> 0:25:11.040
<v Speaker 1>have gone to therapy exactly like Keisha said, that doesn't

0:25:11.240 --> 0:25:14.560
<v Speaker 1>align with them being an amazing person that's emotionally available

0:25:14.600 --> 0:25:15.600
<v Speaker 1>and not going to cheat on you.

0:25:15.680 --> 0:25:18.080
<v Speaker 2>Like, in terms of talking about the ways in which

0:25:18.160 --> 0:25:21.199
<v Speaker 2>we can abuse terminology. I think we see it beyond

0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:23.520
<v Speaker 2>just dating, though. I think we see it with the

0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:27.359
<v Speaker 2>overuse of the word toxic, with the word trauma, with

0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:28.720
<v Speaker 2>the word triggered.

0:25:28.359 --> 0:25:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Like narcissist, sociopath. Yeah.

0:25:30.080 --> 0:25:33.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean we might have a negative experience with someone

0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:36.520
<v Speaker 2>who has treated us badly, and then we've instantly blanketed

0:25:36.520 --> 0:25:39.960
<v Speaker 2>them as a narcissist, which is a pathological diagnosis. Like

0:25:40.040 --> 0:25:43.120
<v Speaker 2>you can't just have one interaction with someone who cheats

0:25:43.160 --> 0:25:45.920
<v Speaker 2>on you or treats you badly. That doesn't instantly mean

0:25:45.920 --> 0:25:49.080
<v Speaker 2>that they are narcissistic or a narcissist. I do think

0:25:49.119 --> 0:25:52.160
<v Speaker 2>we overuse these words. For me, even in the industry

0:25:52.160 --> 0:25:55.360
<v Speaker 2>that we work in, we have to be so careful

0:25:55.520 --> 0:25:57.439
<v Speaker 2>with the things that we say from time to time,

0:25:57.840 --> 0:26:00.280
<v Speaker 2>and we will often go, oh, should we put a

0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:03.640
<v Speaker 2>trigger warning on this? Should we talk about the trauma

0:26:03.680 --> 0:26:06.520
<v Speaker 2>that's associated with this? And I think we've almost become

0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:10.879
<v Speaker 2>too trigger warning happy in a lot of ways, because

0:26:11.240 --> 0:26:13.680
<v Speaker 2>something that someone might not want to listen to because

0:26:13.680 --> 0:26:17.760
<v Speaker 2>it makes them feel uncomfortable, that's not necessarily a trigger.

0:26:18.080 --> 0:26:20.880
<v Speaker 2>Like a trigger is someone who has experienced a deeply

0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:24.000
<v Speaker 2>traumatic event there's been lots of studies around how trigger

0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:27.439
<v Speaker 2>warnings are actually more negative, and trigger warnings themselves can

0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:30.280
<v Speaker 2>more negatively impact a greater population than not having it

0:26:30.280 --> 0:26:32.879
<v Speaker 2>in the first place. It almost seems these days as

0:26:32.920 --> 0:26:36.040
<v Speaker 2>though everybody has experienced trauma, Like we use the word

0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:39.080
<v Speaker 2>trauma to literally describe everything.

0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:42.199
<v Speaker 3>I think that's like the situation that everyone's experience as

0:26:42.240 --> 0:26:44.919
<v Speaker 3>a subjective, right, so someone's trauma will be subjective, but

0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:49.359
<v Speaker 3>a term like triggering is actually an objective word, and

0:26:49.440 --> 0:26:52.119
<v Speaker 3>so the overuse of it. And I'm even guilty of

0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:54.680
<v Speaker 3>this myself. I mean, on this podcast over the years,

0:26:54.680 --> 0:26:57.880
<v Speaker 3>I would have described one of my ex's behaviors as narcissistic,

0:26:58.000 --> 0:27:00.159
<v Speaker 3>and I think as we've kind of gone on and

0:27:00.200 --> 0:27:04.359
<v Speaker 3>spoken to experts, I've actually realized that by me labeling

0:27:04.800 --> 0:27:08.840
<v Speaker 3>that person as a narcissist, it has diluted the experience

0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:12.040
<v Speaker 3>of someone who has actually experienced narcissistic abuse.

0:27:12.480 --> 0:27:15.119
<v Speaker 1>And I really regret that, Like I really regret.

0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:20.160
<v Speaker 3>Amounting my experiences to something that someone really has been

0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:22.639
<v Speaker 3>damaged by. And I think that's the problem with the

0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:25.679
<v Speaker 3>overuse of these words. And it's not just about narcissism,

0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:27.280
<v Speaker 3>you know, A lot of people will say things like

0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:29.520
<v Speaker 3>I say it on TikTok all the time. Oh, I

0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:32.320
<v Speaker 3>have trauma from one of my past relationships because my

0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:34.119
<v Speaker 3>ex used to not write back to me for twenty

0:27:34.119 --> 0:27:36.480
<v Speaker 3>four hours and it would give me anxiety and blah

0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:39.320
<v Speaker 3>blah blah. And I'm like, Okay, let's actually unpack the

0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:42.040
<v Speaker 3>words we're using here. You said I have trauma from

0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:45.000
<v Speaker 3>a past relationship to me. I just think that we've

0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 3>kind of gone a little bit too heavy into this

0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:50.560
<v Speaker 3>therapy speak when we're using it in such a liberal way,

0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 3>because people have.

0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:55.879
<v Speaker 1>Genuinely experienced really really awful.

0:27:55.600 --> 0:27:59.080
<v Speaker 3>And traumatizing events in relationships, especially you know, we talk

0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:01.840
<v Speaker 3>about domestic violence law on this podcast. I just think

0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:05.280
<v Speaker 3>that perhaps as a way to try and you know,

0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:06.600
<v Speaker 3>we love to put a label on everything.

0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:08.399
<v Speaker 1>We love to have everything categorized.

0:28:08.440 --> 0:28:11.119
<v Speaker 3>We love to have these buzzwords and also words like this,

0:28:11.280 --> 0:28:13.640
<v Speaker 3>especially when you're in therapy and you start using them

0:28:13.640 --> 0:28:17.560
<v Speaker 3>in your general vocabulary, it implies a certain level of

0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:18.720
<v Speaker 3>emotional intelligence.

0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:21.200
<v Speaker 1>And I just think the pendulum might have swung a

0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:23.560
<v Speaker 1>little too far. It's just overuse of the word. It's

0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:26.280
<v Speaker 1>lost its meaning. It has an oversaturation and I read

0:28:26.280 --> 0:28:30.080
<v Speaker 1>a really interesting article from a teacher, a primary school teacher,

0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:33.480
<v Speaker 1>no so high school teacher, bit early like twelve, thirteen fourteen.

0:28:33.960 --> 0:28:35.919
<v Speaker 1>She wanted to stay anonymous because she didn't want it

0:28:35.920 --> 0:28:37.719
<v Speaker 1>to get back to her kids. But she said she

0:28:37.760 --> 0:28:42.040
<v Speaker 1>cannot believe the uses of these terms that she hears

0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:45.200
<v Speaker 1>amongst preteens. So she says she has a really hard

0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:48.239
<v Speaker 1>time trying to be delicate and understand and guide them,

0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:50.680
<v Speaker 1>but also say you can't be using those words. So

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:53.120
<v Speaker 1>she's like, when they're referring to a breakup and they're

0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:56.960
<v Speaker 1>thirteen and fourteen, they're saying he's definitely a sociopath, Like

0:28:56.960 --> 0:28:59.520
<v Speaker 1>what a narcissist because they're seeing these terms on TikTok.

0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:02.080
<v Speaker 1>They break up with friends, they're using the same kind

0:29:02.080 --> 0:29:03.880
<v Speaker 1>of words. When it's not when like we would go

0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:06.120
<v Speaker 1>back to our time, I didn't even know what it was.

0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:08.160
<v Speaker 1>It's just a fight with a friend and you'll probably

0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:10.120
<v Speaker 1>make up in in a couple of weeks.

0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:12.320
<v Speaker 3>But someone can just be a dickhead. They don't have

0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:15.680
<v Speaker 3>to be emotionally abusive. Someone can just be a wenka

0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:18.000
<v Speaker 3>today doesn't mean that they're a sociopath.

0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:20.440
<v Speaker 1>You can be a fuck with and not narcissist, like

0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:23.720
<v Speaker 1>these things are not interchangeable. But I found that really

0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:26.040
<v Speaker 1>interesting because that is who we are setting up, That

0:29:26.120 --> 0:29:30.560
<v Speaker 1>is the future generation that don't quite grasp the true

0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:35.040
<v Speaker 1>meaning what these terms are because they have become standard vocabulary.

0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:38.040
<v Speaker 2>And interchangeable and don't become interchangeable with just normal experiences

0:29:38.120 --> 0:29:40.560
<v Speaker 2>that we are all going to go through as part

0:29:40.640 --> 0:29:45.080
<v Speaker 2>of like figuring out how to socially exchange with other people.

0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:47.320
<v Speaker 1>And I know we were talking about it, Laura, the

0:29:47.440 --> 0:29:49.800
<v Speaker 1>use of the terms that we throw around now, Like

0:29:49.840 --> 0:29:51.880
<v Speaker 1>when we have an argument with our partner, it's not

0:29:51.880 --> 0:29:54.680
<v Speaker 1>an argument, it's gas lighting. Oh yeah, look, it's a

0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:56.920
<v Speaker 1>good way to win an argument. Put it that way.

0:29:57.120 --> 0:30:01.400
<v Speaker 2>You want to win an argument, tell your partner they're

0:30:01.440 --> 0:30:02.920
<v Speaker 2>gas lighting you, like it won't go down.

0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:05.040
<v Speaker 1>Well, you'll win, but you won't make up.

0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:10.080
<v Speaker 2>Gas Lighting is a real and intentional lie to try

0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:13.920
<v Speaker 2>and distort someone else's perception of what they experienced. It

0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:17.680
<v Speaker 2>is an intentful act. Whereas like we are all going

0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:20.840
<v Speaker 2>to have disagreements and arguments with our partners where we

0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:23.240
<v Speaker 2>don't see things the same way because our experience of

0:30:23.280 --> 0:30:25.280
<v Speaker 2>what we just did and went through or the way

0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:28.080
<v Speaker 2>we spoke to each other. Our perceptions around it were different.

0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:30.640
<v Speaker 2>And it's funny because like Matt and I will sometimes

0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:32.960
<v Speaker 2>and you know, like I'm not sitting up on my

0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:36.040
<v Speaker 2>pedestal here being like, oh, we shouldn't do this, because.

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:37.080
<v Speaker 1>We all do it.

0:30:37.120 --> 0:30:40.280
<v Speaker 2>We've all called our ex boyfriend's narcissists. We've all told

0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:42.480
<v Speaker 2>someone that they're gas lighting us when they're probably not.

0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:45.640
<v Speaker 2>Matt and I will have an argument and either he'll

0:30:45.680 --> 0:30:48.560
<v Speaker 2>say it or I'll say it, you're gaslighting me. And

0:30:48.880 --> 0:30:51.680
<v Speaker 2>what we are meaning by that is I'm trying to

0:30:51.720 --> 0:30:55.600
<v Speaker 2>convey how I experience something and you're telling me I'm wrong, right,

0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:58.600
<v Speaker 2>But when when you actually unpick it and try and

0:30:58.640 --> 0:31:01.000
<v Speaker 2>like get down to the root of it. Really it's

0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:04.120
<v Speaker 2>just two people who actually love each other, who have

0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:06.840
<v Speaker 2>a lot of respect for each other. But we both

0:31:07.000 --> 0:31:10.560
<v Speaker 2>experienced that fight or whatever the thing was that set

0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 2>us off differently. We both had a different perception of

0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:16.120
<v Speaker 2>what happened, and so neither one of us is right.

0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:18.640
<v Speaker 2>We're probably right fifty to fifty. One person probably said

0:31:18.640 --> 0:31:20.440
<v Speaker 2>something with a bit of tone. The other person probably

0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:23.320
<v Speaker 2>had a bit of a fucking face or did something

0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:26.880
<v Speaker 2>that made the other person feel inferior and then it

0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:29.440
<v Speaker 2>kicked off. It's really important, and sometimes I have to

0:31:29.440 --> 0:31:32.000
<v Speaker 2>stop myself and I'm like, he's not gaslining you. He

0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:34.920
<v Speaker 2>just had a different experience and he's fucking wrong.

0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:39.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But it's funny because we can sit here, you know,

0:31:39.320 --> 0:31:42.240
<v Speaker 1>on our high horses and preach and say it's overused.

0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:44.560
<v Speaker 1>But like you just said, we're all guilty of overusing it.

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:46.080
<v Speaker 1>But it's something that we need to start to be

0:31:46.160 --> 0:31:46.920
<v Speaker 1>conscious about.

0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:48.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think that's the big thing. It's not

0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:52.320
<v Speaker 2>like none of this is criticism. It's all just like

0:31:52.400 --> 0:31:55.960
<v Speaker 2>awareness around what's the behaviors that we do and are

0:31:56.000 --> 0:31:58.800
<v Speaker 2>we contributing to something that's like as a bigger picture

0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:01.760
<v Speaker 2>could be slightly problematic, I.

0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:05.040
<v Speaker 1>Will throw myself under the bus. The theme of Ben's

0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:09.080
<v Speaker 1>and my relationship is literally, this is how you made

0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:11.040
<v Speaker 1>me feel when you said that, And then the other

0:32:11.080 --> 0:32:13.320
<v Speaker 1>person says, but I didn't mean it like that. I

0:32:13.360 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't mean to make you feel like that. And I

0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:16.840
<v Speaker 1>think that comes down to a bit of maybe a

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:19.600
<v Speaker 1>language barrier. Like some it's not the language barrier, because

0:32:19.600 --> 0:32:23.720
<v Speaker 1>his English is wonderful, but when things are directly translated

0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:26.200
<v Speaker 1>from you know how he grew up into English, it

0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:29.080
<v Speaker 1>doesn't come out sometimes the same way, like an interpretation barrier.

0:32:29.120 --> 0:32:30.880
<v Speaker 1>So I'll be like, I can't believe you said that,

0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:32.200
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, but I didn't mean it like that,

0:32:32.240 --> 0:32:33.360
<v Speaker 1>and I said, yeah, but this is how you made

0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:35.840
<v Speaker 1>me feel. He's like, but that wasn't the intention. And

0:32:35.880 --> 0:32:38.280
<v Speaker 1>that's where we end up getting stuck because I'm like,

0:32:38.320 --> 0:32:40.360
<v Speaker 1>whether it was your intention or not, I'm upset, and

0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:42.720
<v Speaker 1>he's like, Okay, I'm sorry, but can you understand why

0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:44.880
<v Speaker 1>I said it? And that's the back and forth. And

0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:46.760
<v Speaker 1>we've got to an amazing place now where we barely

0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:48.920
<v Speaker 1>argue about anything because everything, well, we just blame it

0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:50.280
<v Speaker 1>on the language barrier. If one of us fucks up,

0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:53.480
<v Speaker 1>we're like, help, it's the old language barrier. It's interesting

0:32:53.520 --> 0:32:53.840
<v Speaker 1>that you.

0:32:53.840 --> 0:32:56.120
<v Speaker 3>Bring up perception, though, because to bring it back to

0:32:56.160 --> 0:32:59.600
<v Speaker 3>the love is blind thing that we initially were talking about,

0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:01.640
<v Speaker 3>it like cat back on.

0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:04.400
<v Speaker 1>Track of motherfuckers? Why are we talking about your argument styles.

0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:08.600
<v Speaker 3>I just think it's interesting because I am so all

0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:09.480
<v Speaker 3>about therapy.

0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:11.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm all about people going and sorting their mental health.

0:33:11.520 --> 0:33:14.160
<v Speaker 3>I've had diagnosed mental health issues for years and years

0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:16.080
<v Speaker 3>and years. I'm all about it, And I think the

0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:17.760
<v Speaker 3>reason I feel the need to say that is because

0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 3>I've spoken in a very negative way because what I've

0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:23.400
<v Speaker 3>referred to, I think is the use of therapy to

0:33:23.600 --> 0:33:25.000
<v Speaker 3>shift the perception of the.

0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:26.360
<v Speaker 1>Way that someone else sees you.

0:33:26.720 --> 0:33:28.479
<v Speaker 3>And that's what I have a bit of a problem with,

0:33:28.520 --> 0:33:30.360
<v Speaker 3>not the actual therapy or the fact that people are

0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:34.240
<v Speaker 3>trying to work on themselves. So in the situation that

0:33:34.360 --> 0:33:38.880
<v Speaker 3>unfolded with Stephen and Monica, what I thought was the

0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:41.760
<v Speaker 3>most interesting part is that he kind of drip fed

0:33:41.800 --> 0:33:45.600
<v Speaker 3>these few things about therapy, and I feel as though

0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:48.520
<v Speaker 3>he did that in a way to change the way

0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:50.680
<v Speaker 3>that she saw him. I thought that he did it

0:33:50.680 --> 0:33:52.520
<v Speaker 3>in a way to kind of prove that he was

0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:56.440
<v Speaker 3>emotionally mature, that he was willing to work on relationships

0:33:56.480 --> 0:33:58.680
<v Speaker 3>if they had problems, if you know what I mean.

0:33:58.760 --> 0:34:02.160
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, And I think it's something that some people it's

0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:03.280
<v Speaker 2>very manipulative.

0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:05.680
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not saying he's done it manipulative. I don't

0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:07.960
<v Speaker 1>even know if he did it deliberately, but I think

0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:08.319
<v Speaker 1>he did.

0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:12.799
<v Speaker 2>I think there are people out there who use their

0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:16.200
<v Speaker 2>shortcomings or the things that they've done in past relationships,

0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:20.680
<v Speaker 2>and they use honesty around it as a way of

0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:23.080
<v Speaker 2>showing vulnerability and gaining trust.

0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:26.160
<v Speaker 1>The reason I think that this was pure manipulation in

0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:30.280
<v Speaker 1>this particular scene is because he went for the maximum

0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:36.120
<v Speaker 1>amount of emotion for the minimal amount of hurt infliction.

0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:38.680
<v Speaker 1>And what I mean by that is he was like,

0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:40.640
<v Speaker 1>I need to talk about cheating something I did. I'm

0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:43.200
<v Speaker 1>so not proud of it, Like it was horrible what

0:34:43.239 --> 0:34:44.880
<v Speaker 1>I did, but I just didn't feel good enough and

0:34:45.040 --> 0:34:47.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to therapy now. But I messaged a girl.

0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:50.640
<v Speaker 1>Like his cheating was that he messaged a girl. So

0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:53.879
<v Speaker 1>he's trying to manipulate Monica to be like, I can't

0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:57.359
<v Speaker 1>believe I stooped so low, but I'm working on it.

0:34:57.400 --> 0:35:00.680
<v Speaker 1>So she's thinking, fuck, what's he done? And then he's

0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:02.600
<v Speaker 1>done this bait and switch, so she's like, in her

0:35:02.680 --> 0:35:06.319
<v Speaker 1>own head, her internal monologue would be like wow, Like

0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:08.799
<v Speaker 1>that's what you think is bad. You categorize bad as

0:35:08.880 --> 0:35:12.279
<v Speaker 1>just messaging a girl, knowing that probably highly likely Monic

0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:14.799
<v Speaker 1>has been cheated on horrifically, which she actually has. So

0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:18.840
<v Speaker 1>now her unconscious bias is like, wow, he thinks this

0:35:18.960 --> 0:35:21.080
<v Speaker 1>is the worst thing he could do. His message a

0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:23.680
<v Speaker 1>girl and he's working on that bingo I've got to catch.

0:35:23.960 --> 0:35:26.640
<v Speaker 1>So that's what I think he has done. Look at that, really,

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:29.600
<v Speaker 1>that is very intotective. Brittany. Yeah on the case. Yeah,

0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:33.040
<v Speaker 1>maximum emotion for the minimal amount of pain infliction. That's

0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:33.680
<v Speaker 1>really interesting.

0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:35.400
<v Speaker 3>Last night we put up a couple polls on the

0:35:35.440 --> 0:35:37.680
<v Speaker 3>Life on Cut Instagram story, and one of the questions

0:35:37.760 --> 0:35:39.600
<v Speaker 3>was have you ever dated someone who used the fact

0:35:39.640 --> 0:35:41.560
<v Speaker 3>that they went to therapy as a way to prove

0:35:41.600 --> 0:35:45.080
<v Speaker 3>their emotional maturity, and only eleven percent of people said

0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:46.959
<v Speaker 3>that they had, which felt quite low.

0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:48.640
<v Speaker 1>We also put a little.

0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:50.200
<v Speaker 3>Question box on there for people to kind of share

0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:54.399
<v Speaker 3>their experiences if they wanted to. And the most interesting thing,

0:35:54.480 --> 0:35:57.480
<v Speaker 3>I thought, this is really really funny. The most common

0:35:57.520 --> 0:35:59.759
<v Speaker 3>response that we got was that people had in fact

0:35:59.800 --> 0:36:04.480
<v Speaker 3>done that themselves, like they had. I don't know if

0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:06.680
<v Speaker 3>they had realized that they had done it until they'd

0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:09.000
<v Speaker 3>read the question, but a lot of people were like, oh, wow,

0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:10.320
<v Speaker 3>I've just realized.

0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:12.360
<v Speaker 1>I actually do this problem.

0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:14.680
<v Speaker 3>I use it as a way at least they're self aware,

0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:15.880
<v Speaker 3>maybe because they've been in therapy.

0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:17.080
<v Speaker 1>I thought this was interesting.

0:36:17.160 --> 0:36:19.480
<v Speaker 2>A lot of responsibly received was that the people who

0:36:19.520 --> 0:36:22.120
<v Speaker 2>had they acted as though it meant that they were

0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:25.560
<v Speaker 2>above being questioned or held accountable because they had done

0:36:25.600 --> 0:36:27.759
<v Speaker 2>the work and they knew better, So it gave them

0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:31.400
<v Speaker 2>this sense of superiority within the relationship because they couldn't

0:36:31.400 --> 0:36:33.040
<v Speaker 2>be wrong because they'd been to therapy.

0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:34.640
<v Speaker 3>I think that that actually goes back to what you

0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:35.799
<v Speaker 3>were saying about gaslighting.

0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:38.640
<v Speaker 1>I think a word like that is authoritative one hundred percent,

0:36:38.719 --> 0:36:41.640
<v Speaker 1>but people use it also as an excuse as to

0:36:41.680 --> 0:36:44.480
<v Speaker 1>why they are doing bad behavior. So in a relationship,

0:36:44.520 --> 0:36:46.759
<v Speaker 1>like as long as you're going to therapy, you can

0:36:46.880 --> 0:36:49.200
<v Speaker 1>use that, I'm working on it. I'm in therapy, like

0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:51.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying. I know I've been in an ashole for a year,

0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:53.719
<v Speaker 1>but I'm in therapy, so I'm trying. It doesn't mean

0:36:54.160 --> 0:36:56.879
<v Speaker 1>anything like therapy only works. If you want it to work,

0:36:56.920 --> 0:36:59.200
<v Speaker 1>you have to be so proactive. Just going there so

0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:01.960
<v Speaker 1>that you can throw the t around doesn't mean anything.

0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:04.359
<v Speaker 3>Funny, you mentioned excuses, Brick, because that was the last

0:37:04.360 --> 0:37:06.200
<v Speaker 3>slide that we put up last night. With a poll,

0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:09.839
<v Speaker 3>we asked if people use their time in therapy as

0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:13.440
<v Speaker 3>an excuse to avoid accountability. Again, a pretty low percentage

0:37:13.440 --> 0:37:15.480
<v Speaker 3>it was only fourteen percent who had But here are

0:37:15.520 --> 0:37:18.919
<v Speaker 3>some of the responses. He went to therapy for professional

0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:23.520
<v Speaker 3>evidence that he was fucked up and couldn't help mistreating me. Wow,

0:37:23.560 --> 0:37:25.680
<v Speaker 3>my ex started therapy as a way to keep me

0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:27.520
<v Speaker 3>after I found out that he had cheated on me.

0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:28.600
<v Speaker 1>I've experienced that.

0:37:29.640 --> 0:37:31.719
<v Speaker 3>Used to say things like I brought this up with

0:37:31.760 --> 0:37:35.239
<v Speaker 3>my therapist and they agreed with me. My therapist said

0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:38.680
<v Speaker 3>that it's likely you have validation issues from your childhood

0:37:38.680 --> 0:37:40.160
<v Speaker 3>and that's why you are needy.

0:37:41.320 --> 0:37:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Imagine being diagnosed by someone's secondhand because they've talked

0:37:45.440 --> 0:37:46.480
<v Speaker 2>about you in therapy.

0:37:46.520 --> 0:37:49.120
<v Speaker 1>Thanks for that, Pal, cheers for that. Got daddy issues.

0:37:49.520 --> 0:37:52.080
<v Speaker 3>Apparently my ex's therapist told him that he cheated on

0:37:52.120 --> 0:37:55.759
<v Speaker 3>me because he wasn't loved enough as a child, and

0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:57.800
<v Speaker 3>he used to use it as an excuse to always

0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:02.280
<v Speaker 3>be the victim and repeated that I simply wouldn't understand.

0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:04.719
<v Speaker 1>Speaking a victim. The only thing that we haven't touched

0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:06.880
<v Speaker 1>on yet that grinds my gears. I get it, I

0:38:06.920 --> 0:38:08.359
<v Speaker 1>get that there are people out there that are gonna

0:38:08.400 --> 0:38:10.759
<v Speaker 1>live like this, but his comment at the start where

0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:13.000
<v Speaker 1>he said she just was too good for me, like

0:38:13.040 --> 0:38:14.719
<v Speaker 1>I didn't felt like I didn't deserve her. I felt

0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:16.960
<v Speaker 1>like I didn't deserve her, which is why I cheated

0:38:17.040 --> 0:38:19.640
<v Speaker 1>on her. I just find that ninety niner percent of

0:38:19.640 --> 0:38:22.839
<v Speaker 1>the time such a piss, weak, fake excuse. Like if

0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:25.319
<v Speaker 1>you truly didn't think you deserve someone, and you had

0:38:25.320 --> 0:38:28.040
<v Speaker 1>this absolute queen that wants to be with you and

0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:32.600
<v Speaker 1>does everything right, you worship her like you worship your relationship.

0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:36.200
<v Speaker 1>I think it's an excuse that's similar to it's not you,

0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:37.960
<v Speaker 1>it's me, Like it's like, I just don't want to

0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:39.759
<v Speaker 1>be with you. I cheated on you because I don't

0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:41.120
<v Speaker 1>really what particularly want to be with you right now.

0:38:41.160 --> 0:38:43.040
<v Speaker 1>It's not because you thought she was too good for you.

0:38:43.080 --> 0:38:45.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, but I'm calling bullshit on whatever his name is, Stephen.

0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:49.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean like it's punishing someone for your own inadequacies,

0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:52.040
<v Speaker 2>is what it is. But I think that this would

0:38:52.080 --> 0:38:55.560
<v Speaker 2>be more common than what maybe we're giving credit to.

0:38:55.680 --> 0:38:57.880
<v Speaker 2>And what I mean by that is is for anyone

0:38:57.880 --> 0:39:02.040
<v Speaker 2>who has been cheated on, the two very common explanations

0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:04.319
<v Speaker 2>for it is one I didn't feel good enough or

0:39:04.320 --> 0:39:06.839
<v Speaker 2>worthy enough, and also the second one is I didn't

0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:09.719
<v Speaker 2>feel loved enough. Or connect enough in the relationship. There

0:39:09.840 --> 0:39:12.399
<v Speaker 2>is always some sort of reasoning. I mean, the third

0:39:12.400 --> 0:39:14.279
<v Speaker 2>one is just that I'm lacking in empathy and I'm

0:39:14.280 --> 0:39:16.359
<v Speaker 2>a sociopath and I like to you know, once again,

0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:18.920
<v Speaker 2>throwing turns around, but it is it's lacking in the

0:39:18.960 --> 0:39:21.279
<v Speaker 2>ability to have empathy or care for your relationship, because

0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:23.960
<v Speaker 2>that does exist as well. But it's hard to unpack

0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:26.160
<v Speaker 2>which one of those things is the reason, and.

0:39:26.120 --> 0:39:27.799
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's a little bit of a combination of all

0:39:27.840 --> 0:39:31.399
<v Speaker 1>of them. Sometimes I also don't want to take away

0:39:31.400 --> 0:39:33.880
<v Speaker 1>the fact that that actually happens, like it does happen,

0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:36.719
<v Speaker 1>and people that don't feel good enough it is a

0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:38.920
<v Speaker 1>real reason, Like I do want to validate it. I

0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:41.120
<v Speaker 1>just think it gets thrown around too much as well.

0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:43.520
<v Speaker 1>I've had people say that to me and I have

0:39:43.719 --> 0:39:45.880
<v Speaker 1>had that feeling as well. Like I was in a

0:39:45.880 --> 0:39:48.919
<v Speaker 1>relationship I remember I've spoken about a few years ago,

0:39:49.360 --> 0:39:51.759
<v Speaker 1>very early on. We dated for three months when I

0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:54.719
<v Speaker 1>was living in England. I was so into it, he

0:39:54.800 --> 0:39:57.120
<v Speaker 1>was really into me. It was going really well, and

0:39:57.239 --> 0:39:59.920
<v Speaker 1>then I found out that he was from his fa

0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:02.520
<v Speaker 1>family were billionaires, like they were in the top richest

0:40:02.520 --> 0:40:05.440
<v Speaker 1>people and he didn't tell me that I just did

0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:07.319
<v Speaker 1>a stalk, like I just googled him, you know, because

0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:09.279
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I wanted to find out more because

0:40:09.280 --> 0:40:10.719
<v Speaker 1>it was just it was he was every time I

0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:12.840
<v Speaker 1>would ask questions with a bit elusive, and it was

0:40:12.840 --> 0:40:14.719
<v Speaker 1>obviously because he wanted to protect the fact that his

0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:17.760
<v Speaker 1>family had money, which I totally get. And the second

0:40:17.760 --> 0:40:21.239
<v Speaker 1>I found out, I self sabotage that relationship because I

0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:23.040
<v Speaker 1>didn't feel good enough. I was like, but I cheat

0:40:23.080 --> 0:40:23.439
<v Speaker 1>on guy.

0:40:23.719 --> 0:40:23.919
<v Speaker 2>No.

0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:26.520
<v Speaker 1>But what I'm saying is I can understand when people

0:40:26.600 --> 0:40:29.359
<v Speaker 1>say they get that feeling of not feeling good enough,

0:40:29.400 --> 0:40:31.120
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I will not fit into that life.

0:40:31.160 --> 0:40:33.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm not good enough to be in that in that world.

0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:36.879
<v Speaker 1>And I had that feeling, but it didn't relay into

0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:39.440
<v Speaker 1>cheating and me being a dickhead. I was just like, Oh,

0:40:39.440 --> 0:40:41.400
<v Speaker 1>this isn't the relationship for me. I don't which I

0:40:41.640 --> 0:40:43.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, this part of me their regrets. We'd love

0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:44.640
<v Speaker 1>a billion dollars, but I've got ben, so we won't

0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:45.399
<v Speaker 1>go into that too much.

0:40:45.440 --> 0:40:47.239
<v Speaker 3>I think what I hate about that the most, though,

0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:49.160
<v Speaker 3>is that so often and I am going to be

0:40:49.400 --> 0:40:52.239
<v Speaker 3>talking in like gender stereotypes here, so often I think

0:40:52.280 --> 0:40:55.359
<v Speaker 3>men use that as a weapon against successful women. Oh,

0:40:55.400 --> 0:40:57.400
<v Speaker 3>you're achieving so much, And I just didn't feel like

0:40:57.440 --> 0:40:59.560
<v Speaker 3>I was good enough in this relationship and that's why

0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:02.440
<v Speaker 3>I was seeking validation from other girls on Instagram or like,

0:41:02.840 --> 0:41:05.680
<v Speaker 3>I just get really frustrated because I see that narrative

0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:07.239
<v Speaker 3>play out a lot. I've seen it happen in my

0:41:07.239 --> 0:41:10.759
<v Speaker 3>own life, you know, when I've had various successes and

0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:12.799
<v Speaker 3>the people that I was dating were really envious of

0:41:12.880 --> 0:41:15.080
<v Speaker 3>that and used it as a way to like justify

0:41:15.160 --> 0:41:19.040
<v Speaker 3>their shitty behavior, which only made me feel worse because

0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:22.640
<v Speaker 3>I was like, well, I'm trying to strive and succeed,

0:41:22.840 --> 0:41:25.120
<v Speaker 3>and you're using this as a reason for why you've

0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:27.840
<v Speaker 3>cheated on me, Like you've implied that I'm at fault

0:41:27.880 --> 0:41:28.120
<v Speaker 3>for that.

0:41:28.719 --> 0:41:30.480
<v Speaker 2>I think that in order to like wrap this up,

0:41:30.640 --> 0:41:33.520
<v Speaker 2>one thing that is very evident is like, although therapy

0:41:33.640 --> 0:41:36.160
<v Speaker 2>is great, it certainly isn't the green flag. And dating

0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:38.440
<v Speaker 2>it definitely doesn't mean that someone's got everything figured out.

0:41:38.440 --> 0:41:42.200
<v Speaker 2>It certainly doesn't mean that that person is emotionally or

0:41:42.320 --> 0:41:46.560
<v Speaker 2>mentally at a place of nirvana where you've hit the jackpot.

0:41:46.600 --> 0:41:49.040
<v Speaker 2>And I think as well, like if somebody is bringing

0:41:49.040 --> 0:41:51.799
<v Speaker 2>it up early in your dating or using it as

0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:54.120
<v Speaker 2>a way to garner sympathy for things that they have

0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:56.480
<v Speaker 2>done in the past, or is an excuse of how

0:41:56.480 --> 0:41:59.160
<v Speaker 2>that they've bettered themselves from the things they've done in

0:41:59.160 --> 0:42:02.719
<v Speaker 2>their past. Don't discredit I'm not saying that everything is

0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:05.640
<v Speaker 2>something to be like alert and alarmed, but like you know,

0:42:05.880 --> 0:42:08.680
<v Speaker 2>have the blinkers well and truly aware of what could

0:42:08.680 --> 0:42:11.640
<v Speaker 2>be happening and how those conversations could be unfolding.

0:42:11.719 --> 0:42:13.719
<v Speaker 1>Well, I haven't finished it yet, so I don't know

0:42:13.719 --> 0:42:15.640
<v Speaker 1>if Steven and Monica end up together. I don't know

0:42:15.640 --> 0:42:17.840
<v Speaker 1>if this little tidbit of therapy manipulation is going to

0:42:17.920 --> 0:42:19.720
<v Speaker 1>like get him the home run. But I'll keep you posted,

0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:22.799
<v Speaker 1>and if you guys have watched it, don't send me spoilers.

0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:26.879
<v Speaker 1>It's time for accidentally Unfiltered Now. I have a long one,

0:42:27.040 --> 0:42:30.120
<v Speaker 1>but it is brilliant. Back in two thousand and eight,

0:42:30.160 --> 0:42:32.279
<v Speaker 1>I was eighteen and lived in the Central Coast, but

0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:35.440
<v Speaker 1>we used to go to Fanny's nightclub in Newcastle every weekend.

0:42:35.480 --> 0:42:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Fanny's Nightclub I think frequented. I used to live in

0:42:38.440 --> 0:42:42.279
<v Speaker 1>new It frequented Fannies. Take that the wrong way. It

0:42:42.400 --> 0:42:44.960
<v Speaker 1>was my first ever nightclub, Fanny's.

0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:45.440
<v Speaker 3>Fanny.

0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:48.120
<v Speaker 2>Imagine being the marketing guy who was like, you know

0:42:48.120 --> 0:42:50.480
<v Speaker 2>what we should call this place Fanny's nightclub?

0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:51.959
<v Speaker 1>It was called something else.

0:42:52.120 --> 0:42:55.080
<v Speaker 3>They've changed it now, they referbed and it's called the.

0:42:55.040 --> 0:42:57.200
<v Speaker 1>Eig Old House now, which is nowhere near as fun

0:42:57.280 --> 0:43:00.320
<v Speaker 1>but probably slightly classy. Okay, I'm going to Fanny's tonight.

0:43:00.480 --> 0:43:02.839
<v Speaker 1>My church used to be next door to it. From

0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:03.640
<v Speaker 1>Fanny's to church.

0:43:03.680 --> 0:43:06.319
<v Speaker 3>Yes, sometimes on a Sunday church there would still be

0:43:06.360 --> 0:43:07.799
<v Speaker 3>people trickly out.

0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:12.839
<v Speaker 1>Would they be going to confessional? Okay, let's soundtrack We're

0:43:12.840 --> 0:43:19.000
<v Speaker 1>at Fanny's. My best friend's boyfriend, Mattise one night with

0:43:19.080 --> 0:43:21.359
<v Speaker 1>a couple of his mates. I saw one of them

0:43:21.400 --> 0:43:24.600
<v Speaker 1>and was in immediate love. The feeling was mutual and

0:43:24.640 --> 0:43:27.040
<v Speaker 1>we made out the entire night. He lived on the

0:43:27.080 --> 0:43:30.319
<v Speaker 1>northern beaches of Sydney, but his family also owned a

0:43:30.360 --> 0:43:32.880
<v Speaker 1>holiday house right on the beach at the Central Coast,

0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:36.640
<v Speaker 1>which coincidentally was just down the road from my house.

0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:39.560
<v Speaker 1>He and I made plans to meet up the following

0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:41.760
<v Speaker 1>day at the beach right in front of his place.

0:43:41.920 --> 0:43:45.040
<v Speaker 1>I was fashionably early an hour or so. It's a

0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:47.000
<v Speaker 1>bit creepy. Sitting out the front of his house for

0:43:47.040 --> 0:43:50.560
<v Speaker 1>an hour, I was fashionably early. I text him to

0:43:50.640 --> 0:43:53.200
<v Speaker 1>let him know I was there and to take his time.

0:43:53.600 --> 0:43:57.480
<v Speaker 1>He responded immediately, apologizing that his dad had asked him

0:43:57.520 --> 0:43:59.560
<v Speaker 1>to go back to Sydney for the day to run errands.

0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:02.040
<v Speaker 1>He'd be back later in the afternoon, and he said

0:44:02.080 --> 0:44:03.799
<v Speaker 1>he'd make it up to me by taking me to

0:44:03.840 --> 0:44:06.440
<v Speaker 1>dinner that night. An hour or so goes by, and

0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:08.840
<v Speaker 1>then I see a large group of girls congregate on

0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:11.239
<v Speaker 1>the beach in front of his house. I didn't think

0:44:11.320 --> 0:44:12.840
<v Speaker 1>much of it until one of them walked up the

0:44:12.880 --> 0:44:16.640
<v Speaker 1>stairs and came back to the beach with him. But

0:44:16.760 --> 0:44:19.440
<v Speaker 1>she just said, I'm here, but it was an hour's

0:44:19.480 --> 0:44:22.080
<v Speaker 1>gone past. He went out with her into the ocean,

0:44:22.120 --> 0:44:24.920
<v Speaker 1>and I started making out. I sat and watched for

0:44:25.000 --> 0:44:28.359
<v Speaker 1>far too long. Oh no, my heart was breaking. But

0:44:28.960 --> 0:44:31.520
<v Speaker 1>in therapy, I really we should be I really thought

0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:33.880
<v Speaker 1>I had met the most amazing guy. So before I

0:44:33.960 --> 0:44:36.640
<v Speaker 1>left the beach, I walked up past where they were swimming,

0:44:36.840 --> 0:44:39.960
<v Speaker 1>and I yelled out from the shore, nice one, dickhead,

0:44:40.120 --> 0:44:44.600
<v Speaker 1>and I flipped him the bird, and then I walked off.

0:44:44.960 --> 0:44:47.440
<v Speaker 1>All of these girls cracked up laughing at me. He

0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:51.040
<v Speaker 1>looked shocked. His girlfriend looked fucking puzzled. I was like, yeah,

0:44:51.080 --> 0:44:53.560
<v Speaker 1>I really showed him. By the time I walked home,

0:44:53.719 --> 0:44:57.120
<v Speaker 1>I had a message from him, Hey, how is the beach?

0:44:57.320 --> 0:44:59.719
<v Speaker 1>Are you still there? I'm leaving Sydney now, I'll be

0:44:59.760 --> 0:45:01.520
<v Speaker 1>home in an hour. I can't wait to see you.

0:45:02.120 --> 0:45:04.200
<v Speaker 1>He mustn't have seen me from the ocean.

0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:07.799
<v Speaker 2>And I thought, sick, I know what's happening here. Haha.

0:45:07.840 --> 0:45:10.920
<v Speaker 1>I thought the height of this motherfucker. I had texted

0:45:10.960 --> 0:45:13.359
<v Speaker 1>the most awful message back, saying I saw you at

0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:16.239
<v Speaker 1>the beach. I'm not dumb. Delete my number, I'm blocking you,

0:45:16.360 --> 0:45:19.759
<v Speaker 1>et cetera. He responded, what I've been in Sydney. I

0:45:19.800 --> 0:45:22.880
<v Speaker 1>blocked him, deleted, forgot about him. A year later, my

0:45:22.920 --> 0:45:25.960
<v Speaker 1>friend's boyfriend asked why I ghosted the guy and that

0:45:26.000 --> 0:45:28.160
<v Speaker 1>he always asked how I am. And I told him

0:45:28.160 --> 0:45:31.080
<v Speaker 1>what happened, and he absolutely lost it, laughing. He was

0:45:31.160 --> 0:45:33.120
<v Speaker 1>cracking up, and I'm like, wow, I'm glad you think

0:45:33.160 --> 0:45:35.480
<v Speaker 1>this is funny. He proceeded to tell me that he

0:45:35.520 --> 0:45:42.879
<v Speaker 1>has an identical twin brother. I knew. I knew it.

0:45:43.040 --> 0:45:45.600
<v Speaker 1>The brother has tattoos and the twin doesn't. But how

0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:47.000
<v Speaker 1>was I supposed to know that? Because I had never

0:45:47.000 --> 0:45:49.319
<v Speaker 1>seen him with his shirt off. I had already been

0:45:49.360 --> 0:45:51.960
<v Speaker 1>in a relationship for seven months by this stage with

0:45:52.000 --> 0:45:54.840
<v Speaker 1>a different guy. But I was curious if this was

0:45:54.880 --> 0:45:57.399
<v Speaker 1>the truth. And then I knew I had fucked up. Yup,

0:45:57.480 --> 0:46:02.360
<v Speaker 1>googled Facebook and searched for him identical twin brother. Oh

0:46:02.400 --> 0:46:04.200
<v Speaker 1>my god.

0:46:04.120 --> 0:46:06.960
<v Speaker 3>I love that she was flipped in the verb yeah,

0:46:07.040 --> 0:46:08.359
<v Speaker 3>good one, dickheads, But.

0:46:08.400 --> 0:46:13.040
<v Speaker 1>Imagine the girlfriend. Imagine the girlfriend being like, explain yourself

0:46:13.160 --> 0:46:16.399
<v Speaker 1>totally dock was that the girlfriend would have just been

0:46:16.600 --> 0:46:17.360
<v Speaker 1>so confused.

0:46:17.680 --> 0:46:23.200
<v Speaker 2>Okay, surely, surely the guy would have realized that she

0:46:23.280 --> 0:46:26.920
<v Speaker 2>had seen the brother, Like sure, come on, he would

0:46:26.920 --> 0:46:28.200
<v Speaker 2>have known because he would have been like, what are

0:46:28.200 --> 0:46:29.719
<v Speaker 2>you talking about, I'm in Sydney. And then he would

0:46:29.719 --> 0:46:32.239
<v Speaker 2>have gone, oh, that's right, I'm an identical twin and

0:46:32.280 --> 0:46:33.560
<v Speaker 2>my brother has a girlfriend.

0:46:33.600 --> 0:46:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Like, surely he's not that dumb. But you know what

0:46:36.040 --> 0:46:38.759
<v Speaker 1>she did say that, like, they've met up sporadically over

0:46:38.800 --> 0:46:41.120
<v Speaker 1>the years and they still have big feelings for each other,

0:46:41.239 --> 0:46:43.680
<v Speaker 1>but their stars haven't aligned. If you feel like that

0:46:43.760 --> 0:46:46.640
<v Speaker 1>and you've got a boyfriend of seven months. You just oh,

0:46:46.680 --> 0:46:47.120
<v Speaker 1>this was a.

0:46:47.040 --> 0:46:49.120
<v Speaker 3>Long time ago. This was back in twenty eighteen. But

0:46:49.200 --> 0:46:51.400
<v Speaker 3>maybe what they need is Fanny's. Maybe they need for

0:46:51.480 --> 0:46:53.879
<v Speaker 3>Fannies to reopen so they can rekindle the love.

0:46:54.080 --> 0:46:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Sounds like she needs a bit of dick, to be honest. Sorry, continue,

0:46:56.719 --> 0:46:57.359
<v Speaker 2>that was too far.

0:46:58.719 --> 0:47:04.600
<v Speaker 1>All right on that note, and that note that's not okay.

0:47:05.000 --> 0:47:07.759
<v Speaker 2>Sorry everyone, If you've made it this far, you're in

0:47:07.800 --> 0:47:10.680
<v Speaker 2>the fold, all right, No suck and sweet my suck

0:47:10.760 --> 0:47:12.880
<v Speaker 2>for the week. Look, I know that there's rules and

0:47:12.920 --> 0:47:14.759
<v Speaker 2>we're not supposed to say things we've already said. But

0:47:14.800 --> 0:47:17.520
<v Speaker 2>there is a two meter long diamond python in the

0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:19.120
<v Speaker 2>roof and it's pregnant having babies.

0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:21.319
<v Speaker 1>Fair, I'd say that that's pretty bad. Doesn't get much

0:47:21.320 --> 0:47:21.759
<v Speaker 1>worse than that.

0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:25.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, Actually, my other suck is So we're cleaning

0:47:25.360 --> 0:47:27.200
<v Speaker 2>out the garden, just trying to make it so that's

0:47:27.239 --> 0:47:28.040
<v Speaker 2>actually usable.

0:47:28.320 --> 0:47:31.239
<v Speaker 1>Hopefully it'll be done by Christmas. I don't think it

0:47:31.280 --> 0:47:32.520
<v Speaker 1>will be, but I'm trying. Okay.

0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:35.320
<v Speaker 2>So we're cleaning out the garden and I got this scratch.

0:47:35.400 --> 0:47:38.040
<v Speaker 2>It's so nothing, it's the most nothing scratch in the

0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:40.359
<v Speaker 2>whole world. But it did bleed for a little while,

0:47:40.400 --> 0:47:43.160
<v Speaker 2>but the scratch was on a rusty, dirty nail, and

0:47:43.160 --> 0:47:44.880
<v Speaker 2>so then I had to go and get a tetnis shot.

0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:46.759
<v Speaker 2>So I had to leave the work site and go

0:47:46.800 --> 0:47:48.319
<v Speaker 2>and get a tetanus shot. And if you've had a

0:47:48.320 --> 0:47:51.239
<v Speaker 2>tetnis shot, they make you really tired. And then I

0:47:51.280 --> 0:47:53.000
<v Speaker 2>had to use a broom for two days.

0:47:53.040 --> 0:47:53.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm such a.

0:47:53.560 --> 0:47:57.440
<v Speaker 3>Hard laborer, snake catching and tetanus needling.

0:47:57.760 --> 0:48:00.040
<v Speaker 2>I had to dust and like my shoulders her and

0:48:00.200 --> 0:48:03.760
<v Speaker 2>my hip's hurt, my back hurts, could have tetanus, could.

0:48:03.600 --> 0:48:06.600
<v Speaker 1>Die, It's fine, I'm fine. Could also get eaten by

0:48:06.600 --> 0:48:07.440
<v Speaker 1>a dive in Python.

0:48:07.520 --> 0:48:09.640
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, I literally went to the medical center in

0:48:09.680 --> 0:48:11.560
<v Speaker 2>Milton and she was like, I don't think it would

0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:14.080
<v Speaker 2>be possible to get tetanus from such a shallow scraud.

0:48:15.120 --> 0:48:15.560
<v Speaker 1>She's like, it.

0:48:15.520 --> 0:48:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Hasn't even actually broken a serpace, she said, just so

0:48:17.680 --> 0:48:20.040
<v Speaker 2>you know how tetanus forms, it's like asphorically.

0:48:20.000 --> 0:48:21.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it's like a word that she used.

0:48:21.640 --> 0:48:23.200
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know what it was, but basically, it's like

0:48:23.200 --> 0:48:25.239
<v Speaker 2>it needs to embed itself into your muscle. And she's

0:48:25.280 --> 0:48:29.560
<v Speaker 2>like an aerob an aeroby She's like that is very superficial,

0:48:29.560 --> 0:48:30.600
<v Speaker 2>but I'll give it to you anyway.

0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:33.040
<v Speaker 1>I feel like your cat could have scratched you deeper

0:48:33.040 --> 0:48:35.040
<v Speaker 1>than't it. Yeah, but my cat's not a rusty, dirty

0:48:35.120 --> 0:48:37.400
<v Speaker 1>nail that's been in the earth. The cat's dead the python.

0:48:37.560 --> 0:48:39.560
<v Speaker 1>My cat is in a python stomach. Okay, well, my

0:48:39.640 --> 0:48:49.400
<v Speaker 1>sweet is, my sweet is? You don't have one.

0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:49.520
<v Speaker 2>Say that the tiles went into the downstairs bathroom. That's

0:48:49.520 --> 0:48:50.800
<v Speaker 2>a fucking sweet.

0:48:50.960 --> 0:48:51.560
<v Speaker 1>It looked good.

0:48:51.640 --> 0:48:54.640
<v Speaker 2>The renout is taking shape, and every time I go

0:48:54.719 --> 0:48:56.640
<v Speaker 2>into the house now I have these moments.

0:48:56.280 --> 0:48:59.120
<v Speaker 1>Of like I can see what is going to be.

0:48:59.600 --> 0:49:01.640
<v Speaker 2>Whereas before I was like I have no idea how

0:49:01.680 --> 0:49:03.000
<v Speaker 2>this shit show is going to turn out, but now

0:49:03.040 --> 0:49:04.520
<v Speaker 2>I can kind of see it coming together.

0:49:05.160 --> 0:49:08.560
<v Speaker 1>Okay, my suck this week, I had a really really

0:49:08.600 --> 0:49:11.160
<v Speaker 1>great week, so I don't have any sucks. My suck

0:49:11.239 --> 0:49:13.640
<v Speaker 1>is going to sound so dumb. It is a public

0:49:13.640 --> 0:49:16.880
<v Speaker 1>holiday today when we're recording in New South Wales and

0:49:16.920 --> 0:49:19.040
<v Speaker 1>we're at work. We got to work early, we're all

0:49:19.040 --> 0:49:20.680
<v Speaker 1>working all day. We don't get the public holiday. But

0:49:20.719 --> 0:49:21.720
<v Speaker 1>that's not even the suck.

0:49:21.719 --> 0:49:23.920
<v Speaker 2>Because we would never leave you guys hanging, So we

0:49:23.960 --> 0:49:25.000
<v Speaker 2>work all the talent.

0:49:25.120 --> 0:49:27.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But the suck is that I got here didn't

0:49:27.680 --> 0:49:30.120
<v Speaker 1>have a lot of sleep because it's supportive girlfriend. It's

0:49:30.160 --> 0:49:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Ben's match day, which he plays at one thirty in

0:49:32.000 --> 0:49:33.400
<v Speaker 1>the morning, so I was watching that that we got

0:49:33.440 --> 0:49:35.520
<v Speaker 1>up at six blah blah blah blah. The suck is

0:49:35.560 --> 0:49:39.239
<v Speaker 1>that there is no coffee shop open in any vicinity

0:49:39.280 --> 0:49:41.399
<v Speaker 1>of our work today. So I always get to work

0:49:41.400 --> 0:49:43.040
<v Speaker 1>and get my coffee. I felt like I needed it

0:49:43.040 --> 0:49:45.440
<v Speaker 1>more than ever today everything's closed. I made you a

0:49:45.480 --> 0:49:47.880
<v Speaker 1>really delicious one, though, so bad. I think it's off.

0:49:48.000 --> 0:49:49.960
<v Speaker 1>I think that milksaf we made when at work with

0:49:49.960 --> 0:49:52.600
<v Speaker 1>this little coffee machine. So bad. My sweet for the

0:49:52.600 --> 0:49:56.160
<v Speaker 1>week is it hasn't really happened yet. But Delilah has

0:49:56.239 --> 0:49:58.840
<v Speaker 1>like a photo shoot tomorrow. Delilah has a job that

0:49:58.880 --> 0:50:01.640
<v Speaker 1>she's doing her out and part of the job is

0:50:01.640 --> 0:50:03.600
<v Speaker 1>she has to wear like the cutest outfit that you've

0:50:03.640 --> 0:50:05.799
<v Speaker 1>ever seen. So I can't wait to show you, guys,

0:50:05.840 --> 0:50:08.680
<v Speaker 1>because she looks she looks proper lit like, she looks

0:50:08.680 --> 0:50:10.320
<v Speaker 1>like a rock star. Cute.

0:50:10.400 --> 0:50:12.360
<v Speaker 2>I'll show you. I can't wait to see it. She

0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:14.600
<v Speaker 2>looks my sweetest that my dog looks lit tomorrow.

0:50:15.239 --> 0:50:19.640
<v Speaker 1>Stop it stop. You need to say, I don't know.

0:50:19.760 --> 0:50:21.440
<v Speaker 1>She looks like Elton John, if that's what you mean

0:50:21.480 --> 0:50:23.719
<v Speaker 1>by a rock star, Like she's giving Elton John.

0:50:23.840 --> 0:50:24.640
<v Speaker 2>She looks like cute.

0:50:24.640 --> 0:50:26.680
<v Speaker 1>Shit, she looks like a seventy eight year old man.

0:50:26.760 --> 0:50:29.120
<v Speaker 1>But that looks like a saxophonist. If a dog could

0:50:29.160 --> 0:50:31.680
<v Speaker 1>be like a jazz star, she looks like a jazz star.

0:50:31.960 --> 0:50:32.600
<v Speaker 2>Very cute.

0:50:32.760 --> 0:50:35.080
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<v Speaker 2>to a couple of ads, but all we ask for

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<v Speaker 2>is listen to two ads and vote.

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<v Speaker 1>So that is the Australian Podcast Awards website. Listener's choice

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<v Speaker 1>is what we're asking to vote for, So you just

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<v Speaker 1>type in Lifeline cut to listeners choice, press go and

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<v Speaker 1>then go to your email and validate the vote and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll really appreciate it. We'll link in the show notes.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also in our insta bio just to make it

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<v Speaker 1>super easy for you. And don't forget say mum's say

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<v Speaker 1>dad tey dog tee. Friends and share the love because

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<v Speaker 1>we love love