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Speaker 1: for the defending champions. Who wins from two matches for

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Speaker 1: the Renegades and the.

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Speaker 2: Melbourne Renegades make it too from two they will go

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Speaker 1: For now. It's a different story for the teaming Lime Green.

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to another edition of The Surge.

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Speaker 1: I'm Adam White and it's great to be joined by

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Speaker 1: Kirby Short Bank at the desk or another season.

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Speaker 2: Kirby, welcome, Thank you Whitey. Great to be here again.

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Speaker 1: It's a bit of a different role for you now

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Speaker 1: because you're a commentator. You're also head of women's cricket

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Speaker 1: at Cricke of Victoria. I saw you a Renegade track

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Speaker 2: And the Star is the one before that. Don't leave

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Speaker 2: I was driving here today thinking, goodness me, how the

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Speaker 1: So have you enjoyed it? So we're going from someone

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Speaker 2: It certainly is. I think there's a nice combination of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And then how do you find it from

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Speaker 2: Really, what game day looks a little bit different these days,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely so to the cricket. So we've got a

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Speaker 1: But just in relation to it all started really quickly.

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Speaker 1: and we'll start with the Sydney Sixers had very much

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Speaker 3: Firstly, thanks, good time. Really cool to say you're playing

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Speaker 3: You're an a fight of many sports. Let's talk about

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Speaker 5: Growing up? Uh, I think we as as as children

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00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,359
Speaker 5: back home, we have a lot of backyard stuff. We

435
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,440
Speaker 5: have a lot of freedom to do to do stuff,

436
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,600
Speaker 5: especially also in primary school we have a lot of

437
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,399
Speaker 5: competitions where you played boys, cause we we barely have

438
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,040
Speaker 5: girls back then. Who really wants to like you? Know,

439
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,159
Speaker 5: play sports, so it was really hard to have like

440
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:54,240
Speaker 5: an all girls sting started track and feeling like basic

441
00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:58,760
Speaker 5: school actually like like very small, you know, gradually into

442
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,399
Speaker 5: primary school and then high school. I've been to a

443
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 5: few competitions, one a few medals, and then you know,

444
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,280
Speaker 5: I was given the opportunity to actually, you know, go

445
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 5: to one of the best schools in Jamaica who actually

446
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 5: does track, So that was really good on my part.

447
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,680
Speaker 5: And then also I used to play soccer. I've a

448
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 5: I was also given the opportunities to represent Jamaica in soccer.

449
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 5: And then, you know, cricket was not really on the agenda.

450
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,360
Speaker 5: It was just something like my dad used to go

451
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 5: about just enjoy playing on on weekends. It was just

452
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,359
Speaker 5: really interesting and and I think it was just my

453
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 5: curiosity honestly, Like he would always yell at me, you know,

454
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 5: the ball. Everything is hard about cricket, the ball, the butt.

455
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,200
Speaker 5: Everything was hard. So a part of me just wanted

456
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,639
Speaker 5: to like, mm, maybe it's not so hard, like like

457
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 5: like you're saying it so, and then I got really

458
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,200
Speaker 5: intrigued and I started doing it. I started playing with

459
00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,919
Speaker 5: the boys in primary school was just something fun to do,

460
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 5: so it was like track and field, soccer and cricket,

461
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,120
Speaker 5: so it was like all three and then I can

462
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 5: remember all of them kind of like jump into one

463
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 5: big thing and I had to choose. At thirteen, I

464
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 5: can remember there was this competition back home called the

465
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 5: Mini League and they just wanted girls to play the boys,

466
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 5: just to expand the sports. And my coach is like,

467
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,199
Speaker 5: you could just come, it's something fun, and I can

468
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 5: remember the boys was just bawling at me, cause I

469
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 5: guessly I'm a girl, so there was just bawling soft

470
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 5: and stuff, and I was just like, y'all could just

471
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 5: do it, Like I'm I'm literally not afraid. Y'all could

472
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 5: just just do it. And it turned out that I

473
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 5: really had a good tournament in that little league, and

474
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 5: then the national coach at the time saw me and

475
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 5: he was like, I want you to come in for

476
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 5: a trial for the cricket team. I remember representing West

477
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 5: Indies as just age eighteen, and then you know, a

478
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 5: really huge set back where I had a really bad

479
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 5: injury and then I was dropped from the team eventually,

480
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 5: and then you know, it took me like probably three

481
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 5: or four years to really get back into playing and

482
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 5: I was like even I was I wouldn't say it,

483
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 5: really like mad at myself, like disappointed, like I chose

484
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 5: something that really didn't really wanna choose me. And then

485
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 5: I was just like I went back to college just

486
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 5: forget about it. I don't wanna play anymore. And then

487
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 5: I can remember I was in college and I got

488
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 5: a call. This was twenty nineteen to be exact. I

489
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 5: got a call and they said, you know, I'm selected

490
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 5: to be a part of the West in this camp.

491
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 5: And I'm just like, this doesn't make sense cause I

492
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 5: wasn't really like playing. It was just like I was out,

493
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 5: I was over it. Everything was just like yeah, regotting.

494
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 5: And then that was the year I made like a

495
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,239
Speaker 5: promise to myself, like if this is something that I

496
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 5: really I'm going to do, then just probably just suck

497
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 5: it up and just do what's required.

498
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 6: MM.

499
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Speaker 3: So that cole you got in twenty nineteen, would you

500
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 3: describe that as almost like a turning point to really

501
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 3: take the game to the your next level.

502
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would think so, because at that point I

503
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 5: wasn't really thinking about cricket, to be honest. It was

504
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 5: more about school and and just trying to do something

505
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 5: as because at that point I kind of turned down track.

506
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 5: I forget about soccer, and then I was focusing on cricket.

507
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 5: And then you know, that four year GA gap was

508
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 5: just something huge for me, struggling with injuries, hard to

509
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 5: get back into a team. I was a bowler who

510
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 5: couldn't boil because of the back injury I suffered, So

511
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 5: then I'm like, really, what's the purpose. Then I really started,

512
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 5: you know, maybe I could try batting, and then you know,

513
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 5: it really just kind of started working out. And then

514
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 5: I think, like I said, I made a promise to

515
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 5: myself in twenty nineteen that this is something that I'm

516
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 5: gonna make a career out of because I just refuse

517
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 5: to think that playing sports is not something that I

518
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 5: meant to to do, regardless of what sports it is.

519
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 5: And I'm like, I'm stuck with cricket, so might as

520
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 5: well make the most of it. So yeah, I think

521
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 5: twenty nineteen really was kind of a wake up call,

522
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 5: like a turning point, like you know, you're actually good,

523
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 5: so just suck it up and and do what's what's right.

524
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 5: So that's when I started getting like, you know, proper training,

525
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 5: started getting my body right heating abbots, stuff like that,

526
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 5: and then you know, I actually got my first contract

527
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 5: in twenty nineteen for West Indies, so then I was like, yeah,

528
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 5: this is really good. And then you know, things just

529
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 5: started looking up after that. And the past sixteen or

530
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,959
Speaker 5: eighteen months have been really good to me and and

531
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 5: I just wanted to embrace it, you know, being a

532
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 5: part of the the Women's IPL as a replacement player

533
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 5: and actually doing you know, as well as I did.

534
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 5: I just like beating odds if I'm if if I'm

535
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 5: being honest, because obviously when I went there, a lot

536
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 5: of people didn't actually expect to see what they to

537
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 5: experience what they saw, and you know, obviously that's also

538
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 5: you know, gave me a a a entry into this

539
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 5: competition because obviously the heats or something too. And feel

540
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 5: like I could bring something to this team. So like

541
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 5: I said, it's just about going out there and enjoying

542
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 5: it and don't change what I do. And once I

543
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 5: do that, then I'm pretty sure I can contribute a

544
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 5: lot to this team.

545
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 3: It's a really good settlement. And obviously there's spent some

546
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,239
Speaker 3: tough times back home recently. How comnisant are you of that?

547
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 3: And how much are you trying to represent both Jamaica

548
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 3: and the West Indies. Wild Y're over here.

549
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, as you said, you know, the past

550
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 5: week or you know, ten days has been really rough,

551
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 5: especially in Jamaica with that massive hurricane, and you know,

552
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 5: it's really sad with what's happened to the country and

553
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 5: in uh, you know, being here, you know that could

554
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 5: be a good good thing for the country. Obviously representing

555
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 5: Jamaica and obviously the westing is it was really hard

556
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 5: when I'm obviously I got here and you know, every

557
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 5: time I picked up my phone, I would go on

558
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 5: social media. It's just always it's just about the disaster.

559
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: It's it.

560
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 5: It still is, but it's not as bad as it

561
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 5: was probably a week ago. So yeah, it was It's

562
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 5: a really hard one to swallow. When I got here

563
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 5: and you know, training and stuff, and the girls would

564
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 5: really try to be like, you know, make it fun,

565
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 5: you know, just to just to clear their head and stuff.

566
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,479
Speaker 5: And you know, obviously I've had friends, I've have friends

567
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 5: and teammates who've lost a lot in the hurricane. So

568
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 5: as I said, it was, it's really sad times and

569
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 5: obviously not much I could do to help them than

570
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 5: you know, a conversation there or whatever it might be, uh,

571
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 5: supporting them in whatever ways I can, but to be

572
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 5: here and to actually you know, make something out of this,

573
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 5: to be like, yeah, I'm from Jamaica. We just had

574
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 5: you know, a major setback, but you know I'm here

575
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 5: to stand tall, represent my country, represent the region, and

576
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 5: you know, just just make Jamaica.

577
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,239
Speaker 3: Proud coming into this tournament. You've talked a fair bit

578
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 3: about you know, being able to be here and what

579
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 3: that means to you to you, but I guess at

580
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,239
Speaker 3: this stage of your career how much of it is

581
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 3: winning against also being a role model and trying to

582
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 3: inspire a next generation Because I feel like what you're saying,

583
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 3: that's a really big part of why you still play

584
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 3: the game right is to really be a really good

585
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 3: representation not just of West Indies or Jamaica, but just

586
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 3: for women's cricket in general.

587
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

588
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 5: As I said, the women's game have grown tremendously and

589
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 5: obviously when I started, I really didn't have you know,

590
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 5: this much. I would say cricket or whatever it might be,

591
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 5: to help grow my game and to actually see where

592
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 5: women's cricket is now and I can be a part

593
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,479
Speaker 5: of that. You know, obviously anybody, it might be a

594
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 5: female just walking up to be and bil like, you know,

595
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 5: they want to play cricket. That really gives me, you know,

596
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 5: just another drive to actually make them proud, just seeing

597
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 5: me out there representing women in sports. And you know,

598
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 5: I've had a lot of those, been to a lot

599
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 5: of schools, been to a lot of stuff, just just

600
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 5: inspiring young girls and make them see that you know,

601
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 5: it's okay to be a part of this generation. Representing

602
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 5: women in sports is really good. And like I said,

603
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 5: I still have a few more years in me. And

604
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 5: if that's you If I can inspire a girl every

605
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 5: day I step out on my field, that's that. I'm

606
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 5: really really happy with that because obviously after US I

607
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 5: still want to see women's cricket or women's sport in

608
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 5: general continue in that part and continue to be.

609
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 3: Massive when this tournament ends. What do you want people

610
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 3: to say about Chanelle Henry.

611
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 5: That I'm strong and resilient and despite whatever is happening

612
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 5: back home, I was able to come here, show up,

613
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 5: show out and you know, have a wonderful WBB.

614
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: Here you guys. Chanelle rejoining will Taylor, what's your thoughts

615
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: on Sanel. It's a great story, but she's also very

616
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: exciting cricket that well, there's so much to.

617
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 2: Unpark, isn't there. I it sounds a bit like cricket

618
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 2: found her, not she found cricket. It's such a wonderful

619
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: journey that she's been on, obviously blessed with athletic talent

620
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: and sort of finding her way into what made sense

621
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 2: for her from a sporting perspective in Sport for Choice,

622
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: by the sounds of it, from a cricket perspective, waw we.

623
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 2: I think it's been interesting watching her impact for West Indies,

624
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 2: but then seeing her role into what's now the third

625
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: version of domestic franchise Cricket. She's played across the world

626
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 2: with absolute gratitude for the opportunity that she's got, that

627
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: higher purpose of wanting to inspire young girls back in

628
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 2: the West Indies, particularly Jamaica, and then seeing her go

629
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 2: and do what she did in the first game of

630
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 2: the season to really own the opportunity. You can't but

631
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 2: be inspired.

632
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: I agree with you know it's you weren't watching her players, Okay, okay, okay,

633
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: it just kept happening. And it's like, you want to

634
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: make a good early impression, You've certainly done that.

635
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 2: There was a shot whity that she hit that. I

636
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 2: think it was DeAndre Dott and her country woman and

637
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 2: they were having a proper how you're going in that

638
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: surge over and she hit a flat bat shot down

639
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 2: the ground over the top of mid on off a

640
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 2: ball that no other female in the game could actually

641
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 2: get to the spot. She got it to me and

642
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: just went yeah right. That's after she'd put a couple

643
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 2: in the grandstand and made the most unbelievable sound off

644
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: her bat. So Grace Sarah's actually, I think she was

645
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 2: sitting in commentary at the time and she said, there's

646
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 2: not many people that I'm physically intimidated by, but I

647
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 2: tell you what, she's one of them. When we're sitting

648
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 2: in the chaining room together. And I don't think I

649
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 2: ever thought i'd hear Gray Sarah sayda.

650
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Speaker 1: I think Milli Illingworth did a good favorite. A lot

651
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Speaker 1: of other bowlers around the competition it's like, yes, you

652
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: don't bowl there to her, So I think Millie now knows,

653
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: and I think everyone else knows. Don't give her. We

654
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: do not do that all right, let's get to our

655
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Speaker 1: burning questions for Webber, our great friends at Where were

656
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: all the trending topics that we saw over the last

657
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: couple of days with plenty happening across the WBBL, Let's

658
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: get straight into it. So I'm going to ask about

659
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Speaker 1: Annabelle Sutherland, who we are going to have hopefully as

660
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Speaker 1: one of our guests on the program in the wakes ahead,

661
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: just taking on the captaincy and what that means about.

662
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: And I know she's sort of done it before at

663
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: times and all that sort of thing, but it's this

664
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: whole thing about owning the competition, owning the Melbourne Stars

665
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Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, showing us that you are

666
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: one of the best players in the competition but also

667
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Speaker 1: one of the best players in the world.

668
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Speaker 2: She's an unbelievable athlete, isn't she. Sort of you shouldn't

669
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Speaker 2: necessarily have a player conversation separate to a leader conversation

670
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: when you had so many of those attributes already. I

671
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 2: think as a cricketer, let's just pause from it and

672
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: recognize she's twenty four years that's right. It sounds like

673
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 2: we're talking about someone who's thirty five and had a

674
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Speaker 2: twenty year career of playing for Australia. She's still chronologically

675
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 2: so young. Yet when you start looking at her wrap sheet,

676
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 2: she's got a two hundred in a Test match against

677
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Speaker 2: South Africa. She scored an ashes one hundred at the

678
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: mcg earlier this year. She's a Belinda Clark Award winner.

679
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: It goes on and on and on and on. She

680
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: just brought up her hundredths WBBL appearance as well, just

681
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 2: a couple of days ago. So there's so many things

682
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 2: to like about her from an ability perspective. I think

683
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 2: the leadership piece obviously last year had an opportunity to

684
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: do it, not necessarily the ideal circumstances for that to

685
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: be true for her. So it's been really interesting as

686
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: someone coming from outside of that bubble watch her go

687
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: about her business in terms of how she wanted to

688
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: prepare for this iteration of WBBL, knowing that that was

689
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Speaker 2: her role and that was her opportunity. And the complexity

690
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: obviously sits with the fact that she's been at a

691
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: World Cup trying to perform there happens to be the

692
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: leading wicket taker for Australia at that World Cup as well,

693
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Speaker 2: whilst she's trying to do the right thing in connecting

694
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Speaker 2: with her teammates and plan and preparing from a star's

695
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: strategy perspective, so so much for her to have on

696
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 2: her plate, so much to like about her capacity as

697
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Speaker 2: a leader.

698
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the reason I sort of it's almost

699
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: setting a bit of a challenge around a Belle is

700
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: that at times it feels like, and I'd love to

701
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: ask you this question, that she's almost trying too hard

702
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: the stars because there's almost this seen on her face.

703
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: I should be dominating, I should be doing this, I

704
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: should be doing that because I've done it for Australia.

705
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: But sometimes it can be a bit of a challenge

706
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: to actually not try too hard and just let it happen.

707
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: And that's hard when you're the best player and you're

708
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Speaker 1: the captain to just let it happen. But sometimes you

709
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: got to do that.

710
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: We're talking about Ash Gardner and Phoebe Litchfield and what

711
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 2: leadership has brought out of them, and you look at

712
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: Annabelle and you think, well, there is all that capacity.

713
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 2: And I think she's so diligent with her preparation and

714
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Speaker 2: how she approaches things, and she's a dot every eye

715
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 2: cross every t sort of operator and making sure that

716
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 2: no stone is left unturned. And remember us speaking with

717
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: Sophie Molnu last year and she talked about that balance

718
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: of how do I prepare myself and not be overly

719
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 2: invested in all the things my teammates need and almost

720
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 2: caring too much and sort of feel with Annabelle that

721
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 2: her challenge is going to be, yes, I need to

722
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Speaker 2: prepare myself as best I can to perform because I

723
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 2: am one of the best players in my team and

724
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: in the country for that matter, whilst also enjoying the

725
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 2: opportunity that she's got to lead a team that she's

726
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 2: played in for so long from such a young age

727
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 2: and cares so deeply about, and also to continue to

728
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: grow herself because that's so important to her from a

729
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 2: leadership perspective. She's wired to improve. She loves the challenge

730
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 2: of finding new ways to get better, and leadership will

731
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: be no different. The only difference with that is that

732
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: because there's so many humans involved in what that iteration

733
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 2: looks like, the challenge is it's less controllable than when

734
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 2: you're preparing just for your own performance. So I think

735
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Speaker 2: one of the challenges of there will be many as

736
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 2: a leader of a WBBL team when you're doing it

737
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: for the second time in your career. Is to strike

738
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 2: that balance between getting the best out of herself, getting

739
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 2: the best out of her team, but also enjoying the ride.

740
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a bit of a brother in all of

741
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: that too. With looking at Will looking after the Victorian

742
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: team is sometimes you've got to Yes, you've got to inspire,

743
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: but you've also got to enjoy as well. And when

744
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: you're enjoying your cricket and not trying to hard off,

745
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: and you play better and you can still be a

746
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: great leader. So, as I said, I hope we get

747
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 1: a chance in the next couple of weeks to ask

748
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: all those questions to Annabel. Pre prepared Annabel, We've got

749
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: the questions ready talking about captaincy, but this time actually

750
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: relinquishing the captaincy is Elise Perry, so she's handed over

751
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: to Ash. As we've talked about before, I don't know

752
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: whether it's possible, but it could actually take Lisa's game

753
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 1: to another level.

754
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: Where does that go something?

755
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: I'm not sure it's possible.

756
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: Well, back to back over four hundred run seasons, isn't it?

757
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: So you think about how leadership brings good things out

758
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 2: of people. I think the distance Evelise Perry's performances in

759
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: this competition with a title, without a title, as the captain,

760
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 2: not as the captain, I don't think it'll bother her

761
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 2: too much. I think ultimately she loves this competition. She's

762
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: performed so consistently in it. I think, what an opportunity

763
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: for her to write Shotgun with Ash Gardner and hopefully

764
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 2: give the Sixers the performances that their list has presented

765
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: that they should have that perhaps they haven't had. So

766
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what impact that will necessarily have on

767
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: Elise Perry and what those performances look like. I think inconsequentially,

768
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 2: because her performances are simply so good in the competition,

769
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 2: and I.

770
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Speaker 1: Mean they've got other leaders there as well, so it'd

771
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Speaker 1: be interesting to see how she goes because only because

772
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: it's different to what it has been, and it's no

773
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: different to when she's playing for Australia obviously, but it's

774
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: just yeah, I might see if it's possible get better,

775
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: which I'm not sure it is, but anyway, Sophie Eckleston

776
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: joining Amanda Jade Wellington in adelaide spin to win for

777
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: the Strikers. Do you think as a result of that.

778
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: Maybe, I mean the Strikers have always prided themselves on

779
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 2: their diversity of their bawling attack. You think about those

780
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: back to back title winning years and you've got new

781
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: ball in the hand of Brown and shoot, and then

782
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 2: you've got Amanda Jade Wellington and Jemma Barsby a Nissumschonggwey.

783
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 2: There's so many options that they have what happens with

784
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: the ball in away both lots of turn So I

785
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 2: think having Sophie Egleston there in conjunction with Amanda Jade

786
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 2: Wellington probably not dissimilar to the deployment we probably saw

787
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 2: from the six Is when Eckleston was alongside Amelia Kerr.

788
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 2: In a lot of ways they squeeze in those middle

789
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 2: overs they dominate that period. You've probably got someone in

790
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: Sophie Egleston where Tylie McGrath could also throw her the

791
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 2: ball in some of those surge typeovers less So probably

792
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: a power play sense given the seam options that they have.

793
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 2: So I'm really curious to see what that balance looks

794
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 2: like for Tylie McGrath and how she chooses to use them,

795
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: but when you've got yeah, for sure, they both take

796
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 2: the ball away from a right hand, but they serve

797
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: really different purposes. And I think we've seen the Eckleston

798
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 2: Kerr combination work well for the Sixers, so curious to

799
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 2: know what that looks like with Amanda Jade Wellington and

800
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 2: Sophie Eckleston. Given that Wellington's a slightly different bowler to

801
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 2: Amelia kre.

802
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: It feels they've got a point of difference on a

803
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: lot of other teams in the competition. We sort of

804
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: talk more about them from a bowling point of view,

805
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: where whereas a lot of the other teams, it's the

806
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: strike power, it's the it's the strike payer with the batting.

807
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. Well, I mean they do have Laurel Wolvat,

808
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: so there's that, yeah, of.

809
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: Course, But it's more, you know, we think of defense

810
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: and offense. With the Strikers, I feel it's more their

811
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: weapon is actually their defense.

812
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 2: Completely agree. And I think again we look back at

813
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 2: those title winning years and when they were the most

814
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 2: effective economical bowling team in the competition. That's actually what

815
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 2: won them the title. They backed themselves to win a

816
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: game from anywhere because they knew they could defend any score.

817
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 2: We saw that the Adelaide Oval against the Brisbane Heat

818
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 2: in one of those finals. So they show up in

819
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: a way where they just almost star view of runs.

820
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 2: And then when you do have a Laura Wulvart, now

821
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 2: they've got a Tammy Boumont in their lineup, they really

822
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 2: bolstered what the top end of that batting lineup looks

823
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: like as well, in the absence of Katie Mack, who's

824
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 2: gone to the scorches. So I think from that perspective

825
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 2: they have quite a well balanced list. We keep having

826
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 2: that conversation, don't we across the competition of how many

827
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: good lists there are? But you're right, the strength of

828
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: that lineup is the diversity and discipline of their bowling lineup.

829
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: We had Nicole Fultam in here last week. I'm a

830
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: Nana Chamer Nicole fan. She's one of my favorites. But

831
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: in all seriousness, how important is she to the Renegades

832
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: because she does play a different role than what she

833
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: would for Victoria. Usually she's at the top of the order,

834
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: field up all that sort of thing Hinney a cover

835
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: drive through the off side, whereas she has to be

836
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: a little bit more versatile in the role she's playing

837
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: for the Renegades. Now, she's still got the gloves, but

838
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 1: it's a bit different. But she seems to have found

839
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: a way.

840
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: She certainly has. I think it was last year really,

841
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 2: that was her first year when she shifted from Stars

842
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: to Renegade's Colors. Interestingly, and maybe it speaks to the

843
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: competitive nature of her personality that her two best innings

844
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 2: last season actually were against the Stars as well, So

845
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 2: do with that what you will. And I think it

846
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: was the exposure she got in different scenarios regardless of

847
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 2: where you bat in a lineup, particularly for the Renegades,

848
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 2: who pride themselves on that really aggressive brand, to stay

849
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 2: ahead of the game, to keep the game moving forward,

850
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 2: means that regardless of what number you're batting, that there

851
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 2: will be an opportunity at some stage, sometimes multiple opportunities

852
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: where you've got almost that top order role to play.

853
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 2: So I think the benefit that the Renegades have in

854
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 2: having Nicole Fulton in the spot in the order that

855
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 2: she is, knowing that she can float up and down. Technically,

856
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 2: she's really equipped to play a variety of different roles,

857
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 2: and we saw that in the game the other day,

858
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 2: thirty seven on out of twenty six, she came in

859
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 2: and iced the game with Lauriville, sorry with Georgia Wareham

860
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: getting my team's confused. And I think seeing her hook

861
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 2: Shavna Mishmel up onto the hill at the junction absolutely

862
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 2: pinged off her bat. But she got into her innings

863
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: by hitting pockets and reading the situation and identifying that

864
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 2: needing eights and over didn't need to happen in boundary

865
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 2: straight away. And we know her to be such a

866
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: high energy, high vibe kind of person that lights up

867
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 2: a room or brings people together in a change room,

868
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 2: and she definitely is a leader behind the stumps as well.

869
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: I think what was really noticeable about her innings the

870
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 2: other day was the level of calmness and composure and

871
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: clarity that she went about that innings with. And I

872
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 2: think that's the thing that is probably the development piece

873
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 2: in her game. She's got a one hundred in the

874
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: WNCL this season under her belt, She's increasingly getting opportunities

875
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: with Australia A and all of those things give you

876
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 2: confidence in your game. And then one of Simon Helmet's

877
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: real strengths is the clarity he then provides players with

878
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 2: in terms of what their role is in that lineup.

879
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 2: So piece all of those things together and you have

880
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 2: a player that becomes a really critical part of the machine.

881
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: I think it's a great point. I often think of

882
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 1: Nicola's it's like she's riding a bike without break. Sometimes

883
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,959
Speaker 1: when she's batting, she just goes one speed and gets

884
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: faster and faster and faster. But the way that she

885
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: controlled that innings in a tricky chase. And also because

886
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: she's so used to batting at the top of the order,

887
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 1: the surge becomes really important to hold back for her

888
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 1: if she's coming in at six or seven. So that's

889
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: the versatility that we're talking about with Nicole Fulton. The

890
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: Sydney Thunder batting order. Now you talked about this before,

891
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: So currently it's Bowl Wilson, Litchfield night at a Partoo

892
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: and then Leroyd and then throwing Harris. It kind of floats.

893
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it looks really, really good, but sometimes you

894
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: can have too many really good players that want to

895
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: do the same role. Would you go with that as

896
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: your order? Would you look at potentially being a bit different?

897
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 2: I really like the balance that they have, I think

898
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 2: the left hand right hand options that they've got. I

899
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 2: think you get the most out of Tylia Wilson at

900
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 2: the top of the lineup. I think last it was

901
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 2: two seasons, negotiated a great year opening and then last

902
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 2: year she slid into the middle order with some slightly

903
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: different roles, and I think they've gone back to her

904
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 2: at the top with Georgia vol even though you don't

905
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 2: get the left hand right hand combination like you do

906
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 2: with the Litchfield and Vole, I think you optimize Wilson's

907
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 2: output given she has found some real momentum and form

908
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 2: as well, scoring lots of WNCL runs and continuing to

909
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 2: increase that strike rate. Litchfield at three I also liked

910
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: the look of that because ultimately in T twenty cricket,

911
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 2: that's as good as opening the batting. Sometimes you can

912
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: be in there really quickly or it really frees her up.

913
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 2: You know she'll play the way that she plays regardless

914
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,919
Speaker 2: Phoebe Lichfield, and then you have sort of that composure

915
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: experience of night through the middle, knowing that her strike

916
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: rate in the surge in particular I think one hundred

917
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: and eighty four it was last season which is deceptively high,

918
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 2: very much whereas Laura Harris last year and the surge

919
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 2: struck at one hundred and sixty nine but one hundred

920
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 2: and ninety five of the deaths. So what you can

921
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 2: see with the Thunder lineup is they're pretty happy to

922
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 2: float Laura Harris based on the situation. And then the

923
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: name I mean, Chamai Atapadu. We haven't even talked about her.

924
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 2: And Anika Lee Royd struck thirty one from twenty one

925
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 2: against the Renegades the other day, so again, if they

926
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 2: find themselves in strife, they have her out and out

927
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 2: power to slide in there as well. So I like

928
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 2: how they've set it up. And I mentioned before, I

929
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 2: think their roles are quite clear. They just haven't probably

930
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 2: all come off on the same day lots of thirties,

931
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 2: high twenties and thirties type scores. They haven't had one

932
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: of those key players go on with a big score.

933
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 2: So when I say that, I'm talking about vol Litchfield Night.

934
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: They're the ones that need to take responsibility for going

935
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 2: large and deep and setting the game up so that

936
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: they optimize the surge, but then set Annika Leroyd and

937
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 2: Laura Harris up to really back end the inning. So

938
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 2: the ingredients are there. I think the other peace to

939
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 2: the puzzler is Georgia vol having come from an Australian

940
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 2: environment where you can pretty much just go knowing that

941
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 2: you're back to eleven. What does her tempo look like

942
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 2: so she can still play to her strengths in amongst

943
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 2: what this underline up are trying to achieve. So I

944
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 2: like it, it just hasn't come off yet yep.

945
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 1: Okay, so a bit of a hold on the Sydney

946
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: Thunder batting or at the moment. Now, before we get

947
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: to your thoughts at Kirby on the Hurricanes and whether

948
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: they might have the top five or the best top

949
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: five in the competition, I want to hear from Elise Forlani,

950
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: because she knows very much about her own team. This

951
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:40,479
Speaker 1: is her thoughts on the batting power there in a word, how.

952
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 3: Would you describe your batting lineup this year long?

953
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: It's pretty stacked, is that?

954
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 5: Yeah?

955
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 1: Well hopefully yeah?

956
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 6: Yeah.

957
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 4: No.

958
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 6: I feel like we've got great balance. We've got a

959
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 6: really long batting line up. I feel like it allows

960
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 6: people to go out there play with freedom. It won't

961
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 6: be you know, someone's day every day. But yeah, it's

962
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 6: going to be spread around. It was Danny tonight, it

963
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 6: was Nick tonight. I have no doubt that they can

964
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 6: continue to perform for us, but I also not this

965
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 6: takes other people in the lineup as well, where their

966
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 6: opportunity will also come.

967
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: Alise Ballani. They're talking about the Hurricanes batting lineup. It

968
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: is long, and there's also lots of long names, too

969
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: hyphenated names. It's hard to get them all out. And

970
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: it's I mean you talked about it before. It's just

971
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: chock full of international talent.

972
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 2: Wold, isn't it When you start looking at the names

973
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 2: and you start thinking about how good they are and

974
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: what they've contributed to the game, and you have to

975
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: say a couple of names before you get to Elise Lani.

976
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 2: And she's one of the greats of our I mean

977
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 2: she's played many games for Australia and now one of

978
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 2: the greats in our domestic set up as well, captaining

979
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 2: Tazzi and the Hurricanes. So Lizzelle Lee, ex international now

980
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 2: local player. And you use that in inverted commas, don't you.

981
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 2: Danny White, Hodge Natsiba, Brant, Nicola Carey, Heather Graham, Alise Vlani,

982
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 2: Rachel Trenaman, and the list just goes on and on.

983
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 2: So the short answer to the question is do they

984
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 2: have the best batting lineup? There's no way can say no, and.

985
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: They proved it with the way that they play the

986
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 1: other day. And it's one of those things I hoping

987
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 1: you're going to see a lot through this competition. They'll

988
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: keep batting second if they can, because they kind of

989
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: feel like, you can get as many as you like,

990
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: we'll get more.

991
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 2: You can run anything down, can't you. And you've got

992
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: a record breakers left front and center. Really that I

993
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: still come back to those two innings that Lozelle put

994
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:24,439
Speaker 2: together back to back, those enormous hundreds. That's my soul

995
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 2: to say. She struck one hundred and eighty in WNCL

996
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 2: against the Vicks this season as well. So she's coming

997
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: in in red hot form. And you then just free

998
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 2: up a Graham, a Carey, a Trenaman of Alani to

999
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 2: play with the absolute freedom and really take the game on,

1000
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 2: knowing that you essentially are saying to Lozelle, Danny White

1001
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 2: Hodge and nat Siva Brunt, hey you go large and

1002
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 2: we'll play our role around that, and the cricket smarts

1003
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 2: that sit with a Carey, a Graham of Alani and

1004
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 2: a Turnaman mean that they'll read the room perfectly and

1005
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 2: either they have the capacity to go big if the

1006
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 2: others don't, or play like Nick Carey did the other

1007
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 2: night fifty eight not out of forty three finish the

1008
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 2: game off. Wonderful partnership with Danny White Hodge and a

1009
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 2: really mature innings from her. And I wouldn't be surprised

1010
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 2: if she's got a lot of forty and fifty not

1011
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 2: outs across the duration of this season.

1012
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,359
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00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,319
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1024
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Speaker 1: It's great to have you back multiple captain winning WBBL Champion,

1025
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: Captain leader, but also in your role at Krigey Victoria.

1026
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: But it's great to still have you part of the

1027
00:48:58,560 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: surge this.

1028
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 2: Year likewise right, good to be here and look forward

1029
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 2: to the next one.

1030
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: Absolutely kby Short joining us on the surge. We'll catch

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