1 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome to Outspoken. You're joined by journalists Sophie 2 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: and Amy Torber. Coming up on today's episode, the Love 3 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: Island host career in jeopardy after being charged with assaulting 4 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: her boyfriend, the epic Batchy feud that brought Abby Chatfield 5 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: to tears, and inside Taylor Swift Star started Christmas theme 6 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: thirtieth birthday. But first, Amy, We've had a string of 7 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: bad luck this week, haven't we. Well, we have. It 8 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: started on Tuesday when my boyfriend came home at about 9 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: eight thirty in the morning telling me he'd just been 10 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: hit by a car while cycling to work. So that 11 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: was a bit shocking, Thank goodness. He only had a 12 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 1: bit of a bruise on his finger, but was obviously 13 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: quite shaken. 14 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: So a lady who was. 15 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: Pregnant with a kid in the car just drove into 16 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: him when he was in the bike plane. But I 17 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: think you tried to top those injuries, Sophie, didn't you 18 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: when you decided to take a tumble while walking down 19 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: my driveway, which, for anyone who hasn't been to my 20 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: house is not steep at all. I don't know what 21 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: went on. 22 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 2: I wanted a bit of the attention for myself. 23 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 24 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: Well, we actually just finished recording our podcast with and 25 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: you Kent and me being stupid, I chucked my sand 26 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: shoes on and I didn't have them on properly. I 27 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: was shuffling down Amy's driveway with my laptop and all 28 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: of a sudden, I just rolled my ankle and fell 29 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: into this pit of pebbles that she has in her 30 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: front yard. I just had this ah and then this crying, 31 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: and rushed out, and you had your laptop in your hand. 32 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 2: You were so lucky you didn't smash that. 33 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: No, I didn't, but somehow I managed to completely cut 34 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: open my foot and leg and cried all the way 35 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: home and had to ring my mum and tell her 36 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: about it. For people who don't know Sophie too well, 37 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: this is just something that would happen to Sophie, so 38 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: we all went really surprised. 39 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 2: And then something else. 40 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: That normally happened to Sophie or has happened in the past, 41 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: was an incident on Thursday afternoon when we were driving 42 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: away from probably our favorite clients. Hopefully you girls are listening, 43 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: you know who you are. Well, we had a great day. 44 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: We shot this amazing video Christmas video, and then I 45 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: hopped into Soph's car and I said, SOPHI, you know 46 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: you're petrol's on complete empty. She's like, oh, no, no, 47 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: that's fine, that's fine. I like to fly by the 48 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: seat of my pants. I know that that little ticking 49 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: thing goes for a while. Well apparently it doesn't because 50 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: we got in the car. We were on quite a 51 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: busy road, Greenhill Road in Adelaide, in the middle lane. 52 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: We were stopped at a red light, and all of 53 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: a sudden it turned green and the car just conked out. 54 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: And I remember thinking in my head, wait, a sex, 55 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: Soph's car isn't one of those energy efficient cars. 56 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: Why has it stopped? 57 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: And then we realized it was her petrol. But we 58 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: couldn't work out where the warning light was, so I 59 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: was like Google the warning lights. And there was this 60 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: big truck behind us, and this man got out and 61 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: I was expecting him to abuse us, but he's like, girls, 62 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: I'll come and help you. So he says to me, oh, 63 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: you know, he stayed behind the wheel so you can 64 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: guide the car. Sophie doesn't listen, and she also sits 65 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: in the car, so we're adding about one hundred kilos 66 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: to this car. This poor man is having to. 67 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 2: Push up someone. 68 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: I'm not a hundred kilo, I no, but as in 69 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 1: together we'd be over one hundred kilos, So this poor 70 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: man's having to push one hundred kilos of ourselves and 71 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: car onto this island. 72 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 2: He was so lovely, and in. 73 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: My defense, in my defense, it was a busy road 74 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: and I did not want to get out and make 75 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: things worse by getting run over. 76 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 2: That would just be my luck to be run over. Well, 77 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 2: I felt bad. 78 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: So if this man was ever listening to this podcast, 79 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: which I don't think he ever would, thank you. But 80 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: can I just say I was absolutely blown away by 81 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,839 Speaker 1: how lovely everyone was we were stranded on the road. 82 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: I'd probably say I had about ten people stop and 83 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: ask if I needed help. 84 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 2: I must have looked so hopeless. 85 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: You looked like the ultimate damsel in distress. And for 86 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: those who were wondering, we didn't ring the RIA. We 87 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: do have RAA memberships. We thought it would take too 88 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: long because there was a petrol station down the road, 89 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: so I just walked off and got a jerry can 90 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: and filled it up, and then luckily we were on 91 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:57,119 Speaker 1: our way. But we looked like the biggest morons. One 92 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: thing that did go my way this week, though, was 93 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: our Christmas tree competition. I just want to give a 94 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: big shout out and thank you to those who voted 95 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: for my tree, which ended up winning. Well. I wasn't surprised, 96 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: to be honest. I thought your tree looked the best. 97 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: I thought mine looked second best. Mine was one with 98 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: the penguins and the colored lights and almost o Kate. 99 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 2: She had an utterly shit video up of her tree 100 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: and I felt bad it did. 101 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: And that red carpet that she has in a rental 102 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: does not help at all, especially when she's going for 103 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: that pink theme. Yeah so, but thank you for everyone 104 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: who voted. We did enjoy and I think soph took 105 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: it a little bit more seriously than everyone, so I 106 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: was kind of pleased that she did win because I 107 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: didn't want to. I couldn't stand to hear if she 108 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: hadn't won. 109 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: It was getting a bit person not the end. 110 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: People's family were like boyfriend's family were having to vote 111 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: on photos just to tip Kate over a little bit. 112 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 2: But we got there in the end, So who came 113 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 2: second officially? 114 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: Then it actually deleted itself before I saw, so I 115 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: think you and Kate were quite close in the end. 116 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: And by the way, if you can hear a little mew, 117 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: it's our ragged old Gigi. It's her birthday tomorrow, so 118 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: we've allowed her to be in the podcast room with us. 119 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: So probably time to move on to our first topic. 120 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: The television future of Love Island UK host Caroline Flack 121 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: is in jeopardy after the forty year old was arrested 122 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: and charged with the assault of her boyfriend, Lewis Burton. 123 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: The ITV presenter is alleged to have thrown a mobile 124 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: phone at her tennis player boyfriend after she accused him 125 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 1: of cheating. With Love Island's new winter series set to 126 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: begin filming next month, many a calling for the Love 127 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: Island host to be stacked and citing double standards if 128 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: she's not. Questions have also been raised over the media's 129 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 1: reporting of the assault, Amy, can you tell us a 130 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,679 Speaker 1: little bit more about the incident? Well, I was quite 131 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: shocked to hear about this because I personally love Caroline 132 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: Flack on Love Island UK, so it was a little 133 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: bit surprised to hear that she was arrested. What's being 134 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: reported so far Is, Caroline found text messages from another 135 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: woman on her boyfriend's phone, and she angrily accused him 136 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: of cheating on her and they had a bit of 137 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: a drunken argument, but reports are saying it was all 138 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: based on a misunderstanding and the messages were actually sent 139 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: from a sixty year old woman who her boyfriend, who's 140 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: a former tennis player, coaches, So according to newspaper reports, 141 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: her boyfriend Lewis called the ambulance as Caroline had accidentally 142 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: stepped on glass, so I'm assuming there was quite a 143 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: row going on. 144 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 2: The cups were being thrown. 145 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: Police also arrived with paramedics, and according to sources, they're 146 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: actually mortified at the scene and were duty bound to 147 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: arrest Flak. And photos of the house have been circulating 148 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 1: and they show splatters of blood on the door, so 149 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: it sounds like a really nasty argument. And while there 150 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: was blood splatters on the door, Lewis's injuries were actually 151 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: quite minor, and he's said to be just completely upset 152 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: and embarrassed by the whole situation. He hasn't pressed any charges, 153 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: and he took to Instagram yesterday where he shared a 154 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: photo of him and Flak on his Insta story and 155 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: he put a little love heart emoji, so it's quite 156 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: clear there's been no breakup and he I think he's 157 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: trying to repair the damage that's been done by all 158 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: of these articles in the press. In the first article 159 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 1: I saw about the incident, they referenced his height in 160 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: the first line of the article as well as the headline. 161 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: The Daily Mail piece says Caroline Flatt cut her hand 162 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: on glass during flight with six foot four boyfriend Lewis Burton, 163 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: and he shouted, I was normal till I met her 164 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: at police after they arrived at her home. The thing is, 165 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: when I did see the photo, I was like, wow, 166 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: there is a massive height difference between the pair. But 167 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: I suppose the way the media almost are trying to 168 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: portray it, or if you're reading between the lines, is 169 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: that could Caroline Flack have done that much damage to 170 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: this six foot four tennis player And the answer is yes, 171 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: of course she can. Abuse happens regardless of whether you're 172 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: male and female. And I suppose those kind of headlines 173 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: and that kind of imagery and assumptions in the article 174 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: are quite damaging. Well. Even the fact that the media 175 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: has come out and said that Lewis seems very upset 176 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: and embarrassed by the situation, just the use of the 177 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: word embarrassed, like there's supposed to be some sort of 178 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,679 Speaker 1: shame associated with allegedly being beaten up by a woman. 179 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: And there have been some rather disturbing tweets by some 180 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: men who've said, Oh, she can beat me anytime, and 181 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: she's half the size, how much damage can she do? 182 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: And also people are saying, oh, he must have said 183 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: something to provoke her, And a lot of people are 184 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: disturbed by these tweets and this kind of narrative, and 185 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: they're sort of saying, this is why male domestic violence 186 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: victims don't come forward, because of the ridicule associated with 187 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: making these claims. There was a really interesting piece on 188 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: BBC online this year and it was talking about male 189 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: domestic abuse victims suffering in silence, and the study actually 190 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: showed that while one point three million women sadly reporting 191 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: these crimes, six hundred and fifty nine thousand men are 192 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: also experiencing domestic violence abuse. That's pretty much half the amount. 193 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: The statistics showed that men are more likely not to 194 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: report these incidences, and they said it comes from fear. 195 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: They fear that they're going to be seen as unmanly. 196 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: They said that they might feel embarrassed and that they're 197 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: not living up to these masculine ideals they're supposed to be. Well. 198 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: An ex boyfriend's come out and he's added more fuel 199 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: to the fire. He was engaged to Flack I think 200 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: it was last year, and he's a contestant who was 201 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: on the UK Apprentice. His name's Andrew Brady and he's 202 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: come out on his Insta story and posted an NDA 203 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: that he claims he was asked to sign by Flak 204 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: before their engagement, and it's quite interesting reading. He also 205 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: captured the Instagram with the word abuse has no gender, 206 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: and while there's never been any suggestions of physical violence 207 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: in the past in their relationship, the post could be 208 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: construed as implying abusive conduct. I mean, that's I think 209 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: is what he's wanting us to take from that post. 210 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: The NDA is very interesting reading. It was dated March fourteenth, 211 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, and it says Andrew, due to the nature 212 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: of your relationship, you may have access to certain confidential 213 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: and private information. He's then asked to sign the document 214 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: that says you must do everything within your power to 215 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: protect the confidentiality of this confidential information. It basically says 216 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: that Brady's not allowed to talk about Flack's habits, opinions, policies, beliefs, attitudes, lifestyle, 217 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: possess health, acquaintances, family, residents, or activities, which I thought, 218 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: does this actually happen in celebrity culture that people are 219 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: asked to sign these? Do you think this is a 220 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: bizarre thing. I think I don't think this is a 221 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: bizarre at all. I think this is a pretty normal 222 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:14,599 Speaker 1: practice with celebrities. 223 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 2: We've heard of. 224 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: Beyonce making everyone who comes into contact with her sign 225 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 1: and nda. This is a very good play by people 226 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: in positions of power and celebrity because it keeps their 227 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: image squeaking clean. Well, I don't think it's looking too 228 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: good for her at the moment, because it's implying that 229 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: she's quite controlling, which is a narrative that Caroline Flack 230 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: would not want around at the moment. To be fair 231 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: to Caroline, her love life has been in the press 232 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: a lot. I mean it first came to our attention 233 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: when she started dating Harry Styles, who was just seventeen 234 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 1: at the time. She was thirty two, and she copped 235 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 1: so much shit over that. Well, she does have a 236 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: history of dating younger men. 237 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 2: Just back to brain. 238 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: Not that there's anything wrong with her now, just back 239 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: to Brady. He's previously labeled his relationship with Flack as 240 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: top and he actually got her in kit. She was 241 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 1: tattooed on his wrist, but he since had them covered, 242 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: and last year he actually shared another post of himself 243 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 1: in flak and he entitled it it's exactly a year 244 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: tomorrow since I left a very toxic relationship and got away. 245 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: Leaving probably saved my life. I market one year on 246 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: by doing something I probably should have done a while ago. 247 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: So he went backpacking in Australia. The thing I feel 248 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: like I need to bring up is when I first 249 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: read the article, I thought, well, this sounds like a 250 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 1: fight that's just gone too far. And obviously things have 251 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: been thrown. She's probably had a huge fight over these 252 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: text messages. It sounds like a lot of her previous 253 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: partners have cheated on her and she's gone nuts and 254 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,719 Speaker 1: she's thrown her phone, and whether she intended. 255 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 2: To hit him or not, this has happened. 256 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: I know what you're saying, But at the same time, 257 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: if there was a man in this position who was 258 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: ditching his phone at a woman, and I assume that 259 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 1: there's more to this story than just the phone. I'm 260 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: sure that there was probably abusive. Comments said. 261 00:11:58,920 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 2: If there was. 262 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: Throwing a glass, is aggressive behavior that led onto the 263 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: throwing of the phone. I know. I'm just saying that 264 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: there's always two sides to every story, and I think 265 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: it shouldn't matter if she's a woman or a man. 266 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: If she's done something abusive, then she should be held responsible. 267 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: I think the thing that is worrying in this situation though, 268 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: is Lewis's post. I mean, he's obviously putting that post 269 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: up to show his support to Caroline. But at the 270 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: same time, if a woman was to do that in 271 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: a domestic violent situation, it would be seen as, oh, 272 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 1: is this powerful person holding him under their spell. If 273 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: roles were reversed, we would be very worried for Lewis's. 274 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 2: Position that he was in at the moment. 275 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: I know, I'm just playing Devil's advocate and saying is 276 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: this a domestic violent situation? Because we have to be 277 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: really careful. We're talking about somebody's career here as well, 278 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: and I know there's obviously always double standards at play. 279 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: I'm not trying. Why does it not constitute a domestic 280 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: violent situation war one. He hasn't pressed charges, and they're 281 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: saying that it was a misunderstanding or many. 282 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 2: Victims are too afraid to press charges. 283 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: I know. I'm just saying that sometimes we don't know 284 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: the full extent of the fight. I'd like to hear 285 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: more details. I mean, it's like with any case, you 286 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: always want to hear more details. I mean, we've got 287 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: an ex jaded lover who's coming out and is trying 288 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: to smear Caroline flax reputation. We've got friends coming to 289 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 1: her defense saying they'd like to hear more about it. 290 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: We've got a boyfriend who's putting up photos with love hars. 291 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: We've got a situation where there's two drunk people arguing 292 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: over text messages. I'm just saying, it's not as if 293 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: he's come out bleeding and you know, black eyed and whatever. 294 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: While she may be guilty of doing it, I'd like 295 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: to actually see how the court finds her, because we 296 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: don't know if this is a pattern of behavior for her. 297 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: She could be doing this kind of stuff to her 298 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 1: boy but she also could be an isolated incident, and 299 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: it could be a huge accident. I do think it 300 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: is interesting though, because we seem to give women a 301 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 1: second chance in these instances. If we're to hear that 302 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: a man or a celebrity in the media has been 303 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: arrested for domestic violence, we will cut them down so quick. 304 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 2: But I feel like with women we try and be 305 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 2: more considerate. Is it because of the size? 306 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: Is that while you're jumping into helion, I'm not jumping 307 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: to any conclusion. I'm just saying that we should probably 308 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 1: stay open minded until we hear more. I'm not jumping 309 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: to the conclusion based on the fact she's a female. 310 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: I'm jumping to the conclusion based on the fact that 311 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: it was a throne that was thrown. It's not like 312 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: punches were thrown. Yeah, And that he didn't call the 313 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: police on her. He actually called the police to get 314 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: her cut in her feet checked. There's been a lot 315 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: of people who are very angry on Twitter that Caroline 316 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: Flack has not been canceled as you say yet and 317 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: has not been fired from Love Island UK. I do 318 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: agree with what people are saying that if it was 319 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: a man, there would be a lot of outrage, but 320 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: I think the fact that she is a woman there 321 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: is also just as much outrage because people are saying 322 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: they don't want to see double standards anymore. But I 323 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of men who are in situations 324 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: who've been accused of domestically abusing their partners and they 325 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: haven't been canceled at all. I'm not saying that she 326 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: shouldn't be canceled. If she has been abusing her partner, 327 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: of course she should be canceled. She should be held 328 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: completely responsible. I'm just saying I think we need to 329 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: know a few more details about the incident, because that's right. 330 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: We can't just jump to conclusions until we know all 331 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: the facts. 332 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 2: I think it is she said. I think she will 333 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 2: be sacked though. 334 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: The only thing that is good to come out of 335 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: this is that there is talks that Maria Higgins might 336 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: take over as the host of Love Island UK and 337 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: I am obsessed with her. 338 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 2: I want to see her back on our TV screens. 339 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: I think they people may be drawing a long boat. 340 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: So she posted on Instagram a photo of herself standing 341 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: near an affinity pool and it's the back of her 342 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: and she's ripped her bra off, you can see, so 343 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: she's topless in the photo and she's got like a 344 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,119 Speaker 1: gbanger bikini bottom on and she says. 345 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 2: Do one winter. And so the Love Island UK Winter. 346 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: Series is going to be airing on January eighth, So 347 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: people are saying, perhaps she's in South Africa and she's 348 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: been flown over. It's going to be interesting to see 349 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: what Love Island execs do, because you would think that, 350 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: considering Love Island is so close to being aired, it 351 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: might be a huge task to get a new host. 352 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: In that being said, I think that they're just going 353 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: to cop so much scrutiny and negativity if Caroline is 354 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: front and center of their program after this. The reality 355 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: is though, she's facing court on the twenty third of December, 356 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: so if she's found guilty, you would assume that her 357 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: job is gone. If not, does that mean we give 358 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: her a second second chance? 359 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 2: I don't know. 360 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,119 Speaker 1: I think we'll have to hear more of the details 361 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: as they emerge. One last thing I wanted to add 362 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: to our analysis of the media coverage is the fact 363 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: that we're also hearing a lot about Oh, she's forty 364 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: and she dated Harry Stars and she did this, so 365 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: she's kind of also being framed as like a sexual 366 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: fiend almost. I feel like there's also they're trying to 367 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: portray this power imbalance because of the differences in age 368 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: as well. It is an interesting element to the story, 369 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: isn't it. 370 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 3: Well. 371 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: The thing that I'm just finding interesting about the narrative 372 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: is the fact that this fight was over a cheating allegation, 373 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: and I just wonder if this is all being blown 374 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: out of proportion. I think that definitely females should face 375 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: the same consequences, but I'm just a little bit concerned 376 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: that she may be held as an example when maybe 377 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: it's not as bad as the media having at play said, 378 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: I don't think you get arrested and charged with battery 379 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: if you have not done anything wrong. At the end 380 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: of the day, I do really hope that there are 381 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: no double standards at play. If Caroline has found guilty 382 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: of assault, I do hope ITV bosses step. 383 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 2: In, Ras and Shine. 384 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: Now, moving on to our top headlines of the week, 385 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: Justin Bieber convinced Kylie Jennet to jump on the mic 386 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: and sing Rise and Shine with him, and that one's 387 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: from Pedestrian TV and I think we'll all remember that 388 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: Kylie Jennet made headlines when she took a camera crew 389 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: into her Kylie Cosmetics office and was caught singing ras 390 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: and Han to her daughter, and it inspired millions of 391 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: memes and TikTok videos. So Justin Bieber had this event 392 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: at a Los Angeles art gallery and he actually performed 393 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: Rise and Shine and he was sort of egging her on, 394 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: but I think he didn't really think that she'd come 395 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: up and she sung the line rise and Shine and 396 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: everybody went nuts. I thought the video was so cooled 397 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:02,719 Speaker 1: so over what did you make of it all? Well, 398 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 1: all I could think was how much would Christiana be 399 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: wanting to cash into that moment and perhaps release a 400 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: Rise and Shine album. I don't think it's going to end. 401 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: I think we'll probably see a song, at least a 402 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 1: piss take song. Now, this is another Kardashian inspired story. 403 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 1: Chloe Kardashian fires back over not publicly wishing nephew's happy birthday. 404 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: And that's from the Blast Online. So Chloe took to 405 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: Twitter on Saturday when fans criticized her for not sharing 406 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: a social media post about her nephew's birthday. So I 407 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: didn't know this, but Kim's son Saint, as well as 408 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: Courtney's kids Mason and Rain all share birthdays in December. 409 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: It must be a very expensive time for the family. 410 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: And while there were parties and gifts, there were no 411 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: tweets from Auntie Koko, and this was quite This is 412 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: quite strange, though, because the Kardashians are known for their 413 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: huge public displays of affection online, they are always the 414 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: first to wish each other quite a heartfelt birthday. Are 415 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: so many kids now to keep a track of. I 416 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: know Chloe's always in wishing her siblings, but does she 417 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:03,959 Speaker 1: really need to wish every niece and nephew a happy birthday? 418 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 1: And that's where I do agree with Chloe. Here she 419 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 1: hit back and said, I've always found it bizarre that 420 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: people get upset about birthday shout outs on social media. 421 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 1: My mentality is let people do what they want personally. 422 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: I usually don't post about my nieces and nephews on 423 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: their birthday because they're not on social media. Happy Saturday. 424 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: And that is a very good point that does raise 425 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 1: quite a debate. Do you wish someone a happy birthday 426 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: if they're not on social media? It's like the people 427 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: who wish their grima and grandpa like a happy birthday, 428 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: and you're like, they're gonna see that. It is also 429 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 1: the similar debate when people wish their parents a happy 430 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 1: Father's or Mother's Day. They're all on Facebook now, I 431 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: feel like they'd see them. Moving on to our next headline, 432 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 1: It's from Elle Magazine and it reads, Margot Robbie admits 433 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: she has a ridiculous bedroom habit that annoys her husband 434 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 1: and same so. During an episode of w magazine's new podcast, 435 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: Five Things with Lynn Hirt, Margot Robbie revealed she's still 436 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: sleeped with her stuffed rabbit called Bunny, and she has 437 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: had this rabbits it's birth and it seems like her 438 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 1: husband Tom is not a huge fan of the toy, 439 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: and whenever he sees it in bed, he throws it 440 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: out of the bed and she gets kind of upset 441 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: about this. I'm with mygo here. I must confess. I 442 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: can't fall asleep without this big dog for my care. 443 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: It's not even like a family. It's sorry, it's not 444 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: even a childhood dog. It's just something that I was 445 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 1: given probably five years ago, and I've just realized it's 446 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: so cuddly to sleep with. And it's quite funny because 447 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: I've spotted Dale cuddling it a few times, just bite him, 448 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: teasing me, thinking that it's quite strange. This made me 449 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: feel slightly less insane because my boyfriend and I we 450 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 1: have these two soft toys. One we call Mister Sting, 451 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: which is a Sting ray, and we have Billy the 452 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: Billy Goat, and we kind of carry on as if 453 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: they are children. Well, it doesn't say in this article 454 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: that Margot does that, so I know, but well, we 455 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: will like to believe maybe she does think of Bunny 456 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: as her child. 457 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 2: Well, you can get sentimental to these soft toys. We digress. 458 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: So the next headline is Taylor Swift celebrates her thirtieth 459 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: birthday by throwing the most aggressive holiday party. Oh my gosh, 460 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: I wish I was invited to this. This looked like 461 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: my dream thirtieth birthday. Not only did she have the 462 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: most amazing cake, which featured huge images of her cats 463 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: on it. 464 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 2: Everything was Christmas themed. 465 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: I feel like she's a girl after her own heart. Yeah, 466 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: she did attend her thirtieth birthday after performing at the 467 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: Jingle Ball. She was actually presented with two cakes so 468 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: she also had another three tiered cake which also featured 469 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: her cats and all the whole crowd saying her Happy 470 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: Birthday on stage, which she said was a rather special 471 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: moment and for those playing at home, it featured Olivia Benson, 472 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: Meredith and Benjamin and she did have quite a number 473 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: of A listers helping her celebrate, which included Halsey five 474 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: Seconds of Summer. 475 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 2: Halsey is an Australian singer. 476 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: I think she's Australian five seconds of Summer, Ryan Reynolds, Blake, 477 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 1: Lively and Gigi had Did to name a few, and 478 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: any og Taylor Swift fans will have noticed her friend 479 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: Abigail from high school and she of course inspired the 480 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 1: song fifteen and it does top of a huge week 481 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: for the singer, who was of course honored with Billboard's 482 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 1: Woman of the Decade award, and she did do quite 483 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: a moving speech against that dickhead Scooter Braun, but we 484 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 1: won't go into that one. 485 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 2: We'll just let her celebrate herself. 486 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: That was amazing. Go Taylor Happy Birthday. Moving on to 487 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: our next topic. As soon as Abbi Chatfield made her 488 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: entrance on this year's series of The Bachelor, she was 489 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: unfairly tarnished with the villain label, a term she can't 490 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: seem to shake. Despite never engaging in nasty comments during 491 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: her time in the mansion and opening up about everything 492 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: from her mental health to her sexuality, Abby continues to 493 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: be villified. This week, a batchey feud of epic proportions 494 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: broke out when former Bachelor Maddie Jay accused Abby of 495 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: hamming up her relationship with former Bachelorette contestant Nathan for attention. 496 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: While male Bachelor stars have seamlessly transitioned into respected media personalities, 497 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: a sad but predictable pattern emerge with their female counterparts. Sophie, 498 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,239 Speaker 1: can we start at the beginning? Can you tell us 499 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: a bit more background on what happened at this event 500 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: in Sydney? Well? Abby Chatfield shared a number of Insta 501 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: stories last week from a Bondai Boost event in Sydney 502 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: which Nathan Favo I believe is his last name attended. 503 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: Now for those of you who were quite confused like 504 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: me and had forgotten who Nathan is, he was on 505 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: Ali's series of the Bachelorette, and he also most recently 506 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: dated to Neil on Bachelor in Paradise, So he was 507 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: the one. I remember he had quite plucked eyebrows and 508 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: he was seeing it. He was like twenty two and 509 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: obviously Ali Oaster was in her thirties. So at first 510 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,479 Speaker 1: he was framed as, Oh, this guy's just come in 511 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: here for fame, and then he seemed quite nice in 512 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: Bachelor in Paradise, which generally happens. Yeah, well, he was 513 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: labeled as too young and a party boy by Ali, and. 514 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 2: While on the show, he brought up those infamous rumors. 515 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: About Ali and Grant on Bachelor in Paradise and that 516 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: started a big argument in the mansion. So he was 517 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 1: quite a character on the show. So he was at 518 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: this event that Abby was at. Jumped on Instagram and 519 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: asked her followers to dare them to do things, and 520 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: someone dared them to kiss, so she posted a video 521 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: pretending to lean in for a kiss with Nathan and 522 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 1: then her friend, who was also at the event, jumped 523 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: in and gave her a kiss on the cheek instead, 524 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: So all. 525 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 2: A bit of fun, All a bit of fun. 526 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: And following on from that dare, there was also another 527 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: one that said can you date and she just wrote 528 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: okay and had a photo a joke photo of her 529 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: leaning into him. There were a few more insta stories 530 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 1: which followed. It was heard cheersing Nathan and saying girls' 531 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: night out, and there was also a story of him 532 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: speaking to a photographer and then later him wearing high 533 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: heels impersonating someone from Real Housewives of Melbourne, which appears 534 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: to be one of Abby's favorite shows. 535 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 2: Which I love as well. And so to me that all. 536 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: Looked like a bit of banter, a bit of friendship, 537 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: you know, kind of a jokey relationship and Abby good 538 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: and it's all come out in the media that Todd, 539 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: who Abby was linked to previously, apparently has a new 540 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: model girlfriend. Was she just having a bit of fun 541 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: as well? Obviously she might have been a little bit 542 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: upset about that. It seemed to me that maybe she 543 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: was having a bit of fun with Nathan, who might 544 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 1: have been taking her mind off. 545 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 2: All the negativity. 546 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: Well, I think she was just letting her hair down 547 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 1: an event, having fun. I mean, those events could probably 548 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: be quite awkward, so you've got to probably find a 549 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: friend there and have a bit of fun with it. 550 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: So what actually went down with Matti J then, well, 551 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: basically Abby became quite emotional on Instagram after reading an 552 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: article on Nova which quoted former Bachelor Maddie J and 553 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: Natalie Bassingwaite's recent comments about her on their podcast The Babble. 554 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 1: I did read this, and I was quite taken aback 555 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: with some of the comments. Well, it was quite interesting 556 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 1: from someone like Matti J, who I do love, But 557 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: he has gone through that Bachelor experience himself, and he 558 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: would be quite aware of how people are incorrectly portrayed 559 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 1: and the media scrutiny that goes on. I mean, his 560 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: partner Lawd spoke a lot about the trolling that she 561 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: received and the scrutiny that she received on the show. 562 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 1: So what did Maddie and Nat actually say? So they 563 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: were talking about the incident at the party, Mattie said, 564 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 1: I thought they were definitely flirting. Maybe they were flirting 565 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 1: and they were hamming it up. It was kind of 566 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: weird though. So there's a girl called Tanil. She was 567 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: coupled up with Nathan on the last series of The 568 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: Bachelor in Paradise, so she was there as well. It 569 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: was a bit of a melting pot of reality TV contestants. 570 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: But then she Abby kind of said, guys, should we kiss, 571 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: asking her followers, and then they kind of were pretending 572 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: to kiss, so they were really hamming it up for 573 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: the camera, and I think they left the event together 574 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: with other people. She's denying it, saying they're friends. Then 575 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 1: Natalie Bassingwait jumped in and said she thinks she's doing 576 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: it for the cameras. She said, it's like a cry 577 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: for attention. It's like, look at us, I don't want 578 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: to be in the media, but here's all the information 579 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: required to get me into the media, to which Mattie 580 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 1: Jay agreed and said, there's one thing to be hanging 581 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: out together and then there's another thing to be pretending 582 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: to kiss. 583 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 2: And be like should we shouldn't we? We're onto you. 584 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: It's quite an interesting observation from Mattie j who I've 585 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: always been a fan of. But he is obviously using 586 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: his bachelor notoriety to be on this podcast with Natalie 587 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: Bassingthway and obviously having to talk about bachelor issues, which 588 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: you could say he was using his status to get 589 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: attention to be in this media position. But then he's calling, 590 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: you know, he's throwing shade on Abby for potentially doing 591 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: the same thing. I definitely think there are some double 592 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: standards at play here. Abby has said that she isn't 593 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 1: going after Maddi J and Natalie Bassingway. It's more about 594 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: the mainstream media's treatment of her since leaving the show, 595 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: and in my opinion, they've been cruel and relentless. And 596 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: if you look, there is some double standards at play here. 597 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: Why is it that a lot of the time, the 598 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,959 Speaker 1: experiences of female reality TV personalities take such a different 599 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: trajectory to that of men. I mean, you look at 600 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 1: reality stars like Maddie J and Tim Robards and even 601 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: like Fitzi from Big Brother, and they have seamlessly transitioned 602 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: from reality stars to media personalities, and you know, they 603 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: have all these great qualities to do so, like being talented, ambitious, 604 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: and confident. Yet we look at Abby and she has 605 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,719 Speaker 1: all of those traits, but as a woman who's overly 606 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: confident and overly ambitious, it's seen as being too much, 607 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 1: and it seemed as being Oh, she's being attention seeking, 608 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: she's trying to get into the media. But isn't that 609 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 1: what all of you guys did. Well, She's very unapologetic 610 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: and very self assured. So I think people, I think 611 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: men don't like that. The thing is, I don't think 612 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: there should be hate throwing at Maddie j and Natalie 613 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: Bassingwaite because they were doing their job and commenting, albeit 614 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: how harsh the comments were. But I think it is 615 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: important what Abby said that she is taking aim at 616 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: the media. I found it really quite funny because she 617 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: put up this instant story which I felt really pulled 618 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: at the heartstrings. I was like, wow, I feel so 619 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: bad that she has to go through all of that shit. 620 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,719 Speaker 1: That's ridiculous, and she completely called out the media, and 621 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: then five minutes later it's up on the bloody Daily 622 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: Mail as their video. It's like, she's calling you guys 623 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: out and she's telling people to not take the article series, 624 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: and you guys post it as another clickbait. The thing 625 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: that was most embarrassing about the Daily Mail posting it 626 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: was they first began by bleeping out a couple of 627 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: the fox in there, and then they just left it, 628 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: let it go for the rest of the time. But 629 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: we will include that audio in there now so you 630 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: can hear Abby's response. We're including all the swear words. 631 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: If we can find a version with all the swear words, 632 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: we will include them. 633 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 2: So here is what Abby said. 634 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 3: It's m simply of reaction, and I am tired about 635 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 3: three hours of sleep. But I am so sick of 636 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 3: people in the media literally just saying things because I 637 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 3: think it goes along with the storyline that already exists. 638 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 3: So they get, you know, there's something interesting, or they 639 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 3: have like a one liner that in fact then gets 640 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 3: a whole article written about me that I got to 641 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 3: Google alert on my name about things being said about 642 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 3: me the first thing in the morning, and also thinks 643 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 3: about like my ex boyfriend, and I get all this 644 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 3: stuff and like, I feel like I've tried really odd 645 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 3: since the show finished to show you guys who I 646 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 3: really am, and it's like this thing just follows me 647 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 3: around it all I get negative media from mainstream outlets. 648 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 3: I still get called that, and I still get called 649 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 3: all these things, and I'm over it, Like I get 650 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 3: treated like I'm a character and I'm not. Like I'm 651 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 3: fucking struggling so much right now. I just I'm sorry, 652 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 3: it's just looking insane to boast, but I'm like, please 653 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 3: stop writing about me. Like I go and have a 654 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 3: day my friends, and I'm called attention seeking because all 655 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 3: everyone wants to think is that I'm an attention seeking 656 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 3: I'm just done with it. And then all I get 657 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 3: is articles say saying, oh, you look away like your 658 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 3: ex boyfriend has a new girlfriend. Like it's just it's 659 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 3: just I just really people don't understand as well, Like 660 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 3: if there's an article that implies that I'm like attention 661 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 3: seeking or doing something for the media, I get more 662 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 3: messages that's something that I said six months ago, or 663 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 3: something happened six months ago. It's just and obviously this 664 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 3: isn't all just Maddy Jay or this other person. It's 665 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 3: not fuss, But I'm just saying, like people don't understand 666 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 3: the snowball effected this has to me, and this has 667 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 3: had for the bus six months, Like I really just 668 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 3: wanted to be over. Like it's at a point where 669 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 3: like I can't even like making you friendships or anything 670 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 3: like that because I'm scared people hate me because of 671 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 3: all the media about me. Like I'm just I'm just 672 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 3: so over. I do really want people to stop. And 673 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 3: if you read this stuff, just please, like, don't you 674 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 3: with a grain of salt because it's one person's opinion 675 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 3: and it's said it as fact because they happened to 676 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 3: be in the cast for the same show that I 677 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 3: was on, Like, just stop, that's all. 678 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: The thing I loved most about that video just then 679 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: was that she didn't know who Natalie Bussingwait was, like 680 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: just absolutely. 681 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 2: Throwing shade at her, Like, oh, whoever that was, that 682 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 2: was hilarious. 683 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: Clearly didn't watch niapors Happy to you. We have to 684 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: remember Abbek, he's twenty four, twenty three when she was 685 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: on the show. Yeah, she's so young to be copying 686 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: all of this, and of course she probably wouldn't know 687 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: who Natalie Bassingwait was. Well, that's what I find most 688 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: disturbing about it, because of course, Sophie and I are 689 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: journalist and we've got a bachelor degree in journalism and 690 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: also a master's and we were taught something at UNI 691 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: called ethics, and I feel like a lot of these 692 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: media outlets have no ethics. So Abby's spoken out before 693 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,479 Speaker 1: about suffering from bouts of depression to be writing some 694 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: of these articles. I find it really quite dangerous and 695 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: quite concerning. And Abby's put out this message asking them 696 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: to stop, and what do they do? Share another article 697 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: about it? Well, as you said in previous interviews, she's 698 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: opened up about how online bullying has escalated to an 699 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: unbearable level that saw her having suicidal thoughts. She also 700 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: has said that she was scared that everyone hated her. 701 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: Oh well, as long as they get paid for their 702 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: cliques on their article, that's all they seem to care about. 703 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: And that's what's dangerous about that style of reporting. There's 704 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: no time spent actually researching or doing any due diligence 705 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: as a journalist. 706 00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 2: They just write whatever they want. 707 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: Oh, let's just copy this bullshit from Instagram and get 708 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: this up and then put a misleading headline and get 709 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: people to click on it so we get paid. And 710 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: that's what Abby was concerned about, was the snowball effect 711 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: these sort of articles would have on her, because it's 712 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: just continual trolling on her account at the moment. And 713 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: as you say, the thing that is most disturbing about 714 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: the mainstream media is that they just aren't doing their research. 715 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: It seems like they preferred to pigeonhole her into this 716 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: narrative that they've created. Ever since she stepped out onto 717 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: the red carpet, she has been unfairly tarnished as this villain, 718 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: and despite never being cruel to anyone in the house. 719 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: She's just kept this label because she was a front 720 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: runner for Matt's heart and she was confident with her sexuality. 721 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: That seems to be the thing that has pissed people 722 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: off the most, and she has also worked so hard 723 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: since the show aired to try and change people's perceptions 724 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: about her. She's opened up, as you say, about her 725 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: struggles with mental health and the toll that this constant 726 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: trolling has taken on her. 727 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 2: She's also been open. 728 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: About her sexuality about slutsh and the media should just 729 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: be taking a look instead at some of the incredible 730 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: things she has been doing since the show aired. She's 731 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: become a strong voice for body positivity. Last week, she 732 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: shared an inspiring post where she talked about her struggles 733 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 1: she's had with her body and how she overcomes them. 734 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: And she also confessed to always sucking in her stomach, 735 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: which is something I suppose we can all relate to 736 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: as women. And the best thing about this post was 737 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: she accompanied it with a video where she danced around 738 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 1: singing to Ricky Thompson to show her followers what she 739 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:28,359 Speaker 1: looks like. 740 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 2: Naturally, and I love that. 741 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: I mean, why isn't she being celebrated for all these 742 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: incredible things she's doing for other women, and when we 743 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: see some publications calling her a feminist hero and then 744 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: others calling her a villain, Like, what the fuck is 745 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 1: going on? Well, it's when you look at which publications, 746 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 1: it's the ones. It's the publications that have more time 747 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: to actually write these articles that are actually putting out 748 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: content that it is useful. But it sees daily mail, 749 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: these trash online sites that are continually putting out this 750 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: garbage and it needs to stop. And I think the 751 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: thing that we need to do as viewers is because 752 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: more accountable. You know, we've got shows like Married at 753 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: First Sight and of course The Bachelor set to air 754 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,800 Speaker 1: again next year, and we need to take responsibility as viewers. 755 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: You know, since the dawn of reality TV, we get 756 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: introduced to a new set of villains every year, and 757 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: every year we take the same bait. How we as 758 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: a society so naive to the editing and production process 759 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: that goes on in these shows. I think we need 760 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 1: to look at reality TV as what it is. There's 761 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: a show in England called The Only Ways Essex and 762 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: they start with a warning. 763 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 2: It's a kind of a joke warning and. 764 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 1: It says, this show is real, but some of the 765 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: stuff we've set up for your pure entertainment. So it's 766 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 1: almost like we need to look at different genres of 767 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: reality television. And I think we all know there are 768 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: some elements of The Bachelor that are real, hopefully the 769 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: love stories. But then there are storylines which are created 770 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: to entertain the viewer, and obviously Abby being framed as 771 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: the villain was one of these stories. While we can 772 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: have fun with shows like The Bachelor, you know lots 773 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 1: of people, there's funny memes and funny reviews, I think 774 00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: when it's getting to the point where people are telling 775 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: each other to go kill themselves, I think that's when 776 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,800 Speaker 1: we need to take a look at ourselves and Satan 777 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 1: maybe I shouldn't take this show so seriously. We need 778 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 1: to be aware, as you're saying and Abby were saying, 779 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 1: that these people aren't characters. They are real lives, They 780 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,359 Speaker 1: have real families, real problems. Should we not save some 781 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: of this hatred for people who break the law, like 782 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: rapists and pedophiles. I mean, this woman just went on 783 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,320 Speaker 1: a show to try and find a boyfriend, and she 784 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 1: is being fed hate on a daily basis because. 785 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 2: Of that is that not absolutely absurd. 786 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 1: I would personally hate to be on a show like 787 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 1: The Bachelor. I would never sign up to something like 788 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: that because these days it's not about celebrating the people, 789 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: it's about ripping them down. And it's from episode one. 790 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: It's just the tall poppy syndrome going on in Australia 791 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 1: and the difference. We've got to remember when reality TV 792 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,240 Speaker 1: show started, Perhaps that formula worked because social media didn't exist, 793 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,359 Speaker 1: so these people could be on the show and then 794 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: be somewhat forgotten about and go on their normal lives. 795 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: But these days there's a platform to remind that person 796 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: of how much we hated them. That show what I 797 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 1: would like to see though, anyone who is listening to 798 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: this podcast, could they go and send some love to 799 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: Abby Chatfield because she is doing it tough at the 800 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: moment and why should we not be spreading love on 801 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: our social media platforms instead of hate. So I urge 802 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: anyone to go and send us some love hearts or 803 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: send their support to her. Well, thank you so much 804 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: again for joining us on Outspoken. That's all we've got 805 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: time for. 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