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Speaker 1: Happy Sunday, everybody. Welcome to the Daily OS summer series.

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Speaker 1: Today we're going to bring you episode three of Young,

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Speaker 1: Dumb and Informed, and it's all about mental health. It

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Speaker 1: is harder than ever to get an appointment with a psychologist,

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Speaker 1: and there's a multitude of reasons for that, and Billy

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Speaker 1: Fitzsimon's our political reporter, so expertly takes us through the

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Speaker 1: complexities of our mental health system. I particularly enjoyed this episode,

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Speaker 1: and I think you will too. Have a wonderful Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Today's episode of Young, Dumb and Informed is brought to

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Speaker 2: That keep on giving, with twenty percent of all proceeds

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Speaker 2: going to local children's charities. A quick heads up, this

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Speaker 2: episode deals with some heavy topics around mental health, accessing help,

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Speaker 2: and suicide rates in First Nations communities.

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Speaker 3: Hi, how are you?

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Speaker 4: Hi?

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Speaker 5: I'm good. Thanks, nice to meet you.

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Speaker 2: Nice to meet you. Thank you so much for taking

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Speaker 2: the time to speak with me today.

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Speaker 3: Hello, my name's Billy.

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Speaker 6: Hi, Billy, there seems to be is there an echo

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Speaker 6: what your ende.

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Speaker 1: As well or not?

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Speaker 2: From the Daily Ods. I'm Billy fit Simon's and this

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Speaker 2: is Young, Dumb and Informed. This is the podcast where

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Speaker 2: we give you the starter pack for some of the

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Speaker 2: biggest issues facing young people. Now before we delve into

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Speaker 2: today's topic. Last week I mentioned that there is a

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Speaker 2: federal election in the next six months, and we got

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Speaker 2: a few comments from you guys saying you had no

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Speaker 2: idea there.

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Speaker 3: Was an election coming up.

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Speaker 2: So let's take a leaf out of Margot Robbie's book

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Speaker 2: and jump into the bubble bath.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to.

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Speaker 2: Explain when the next federal election is in under sixty seconds.

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Speaker 2: So there's actually two elections that Australia is due for.

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Speaker 2: One is for the House of Representatives and one is

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Speaker 2: for the Senate. The Prime Minister is part of the

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Speaker 2: House of Representatives and all members are elected for a

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Speaker 2: three year term, with the current term expiring next year. Senators,

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Speaker 2: on the other hand, are elected for six year terms

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Speaker 2: and the dates are staggered so that half the Senate

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Speaker 2: expires every three years at the same time as the

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Speaker 2: House of Representatives, so half of the current Senate will

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Speaker 2: also finish their terms next year. And usually the Senate

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Speaker 2: and the House hold their elections together just to make

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Speaker 2: it simpler for voters. Now, Australia isn't like the US,

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Speaker 2: where there is a set date every four years. The

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Speaker 2: Constitution says the Prime Minister can decide the date within

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Speaker 2: a certain period, so we don't actually know when it

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Speaker 2: will be. All we know is that for a number

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Speaker 2: of factors, the last possible date for an election with

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Speaker 2: both houses is the twenty first of May next year.

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Speaker 2: Until then, it's simply a guessing game. Prime Minister Scott

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Speaker 2: Morrison could literally announce it tomorrow. We just don't know.

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Speaker 2: But whenever it is, we want you to be informed.

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Speaker 2: On today's episode, we're talking about access to mental health services.

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Speaker 3: It has been a very difficult time.

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Speaker 5: Australians are hurting right here and right now.

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Speaker 1: It's okay not to be okay, unprecedented times.

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Speaker 5: Anybody can feel the stress of mental health. We have stopped,

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Speaker 5: we have connected with being at home. We are in

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Speaker 5: communication with people. We don't know the answer. Tonight we

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Speaker 5: extend our support with a two point three billion dollar

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Speaker 5: commitment to mental health and suicide prevention.

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Speaker 2: Really today we're looking at what the government is doing

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Speaker 2: to help Australians who need access to mental health services.

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Speaker 2: We know that demand for mental health helplines is at

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Speaker 2: a record high right now. In June this year, there

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Speaker 2: compared to the same period in twenty nineteen. The question

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Speaker 2: what is the government doing about it. We put up

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Speaker 2: a poll on our Instagram asking our audience if they've

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Speaker 2: found it easy to access mental health services. Sixty four

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Speaker 2: So I wanted to speak more to someone who had

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Speaker 4: So my name's Kate. I'm twenty five from Brisbane. I'm

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Speaker 4: currently studying my Masters of psychology. So this year things

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Speaker 2: I also spoke to David Coleman, the Assistant Minister to

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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister for Mental Health and Suicide Prevention. He's

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Speaker 5: So I'm the Assistant Minister to the Prime Minister for

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Speaker 5: Mental Health and Suicide Prevention, beating the roles since December

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Speaker 5: last year, and my job is to work right across

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Speaker 2: And the third person I spoke to is the Shadow

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Speaker 6: So I am the member for Doebel on the central

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Speaker 6: coast of New South Wales. I grew up in wang

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Speaker 6: and much of that time as a specialist mental health pharmacist.

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Speaker 6: So for me, I was first elected in twenty sixteen

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Speaker 6: the Parliament, to hold the government to account, but also

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Speaker 2: So there's three different people here who are all coming

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Speaker 2: from three different perspectives about the same issue. Now, if

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Speaker 2: you'll listened to last week's episode on climate action, I

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Speaker 2: do want to say that this episode will be really different.

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Speaker 2: Mental health policy doesn't have the same polarizing political perspectives

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Speaker 2: that climate change attracts, and you definitely won't hear anyone

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Speaker 2: questioning the existence of the issue. In this episode, mental

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Speaker 2: on other issues. But that doesn't take away from the

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Speaker 2: For Kate, like so many young Australians who answered our phole,

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Speaker 3: Really long process.

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Speaker 2: She had to wait two months before she could actually

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Speaker 4: I yeah realized that I needed the help of a psychologist.

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Speaker 4: Obviously with what I study, I could recognize when I

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Speaker 4: Then go forward and try and access those services. For starters,

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Speaker 4: I don't have a regular GP, and I think that's

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Speaker 2: This is a really interesting point that having a regular

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Speaker 2: According to the Royal Australian College of General Practitioners, young

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Speaker 2: and usually only go to their GP for more sporadic

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Speaker 4: So I then had to find a GP to then

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Speaker 4: option that I chose because they're as a unique student.

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Speaker 4: to see a psychologist. So we did access a mental

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Speaker 2: So Kate is talking about the Mental Health Treatment Plan,

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Speaker 2: which is available for any Australian who has been diagnosed

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Speaker 2: how you've been feeling, and then they will refer you

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Speaker 2: to a specialist such as a psychologist. You can claim

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Speaker 2: up to twenty psychologists appointments per calendar year on Medicare,

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Speaker 2: which is Australia's publicly funded healthcare insurance scheme. So for

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Speaker 4: Was a two month wait I think, which is really

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Speaker 4: not that bad. I have seen weightlists that are like

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Speaker 4: six months at the moment, but that's you know, two

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Speaker 3: And so what was that two month weight like? It

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Speaker 4: I mean it had already been maybe six months of

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Speaker 5: On like as I was.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, at least there was a little bit of

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Speaker 3: Kate isn't alone.

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Speaker 2: Australia has a huge issue with supply and demand when

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Speaker 2: it comes to mental health services. There are nearly thirty

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Speaker 2: Australians who suffer from having a mental health condition in

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Speaker 2: any given year, and that data is from twenty eighteen

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Speaker 2: and we know that given the past year, mental ill

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Speaker 2: health in Australians has only increased and it's resulting in

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Speaker 2: really long wait times. Here's what Emma McBride, and remember

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Speaker 2: she's the Shadow Assistant Minister for Mental Health and is

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Speaker 2: in opposition said about the issue of wait times in Australia.

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Speaker 6: So we know that there is a shortage of health workers,

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Speaker 6: might wait, you know, several weeks to see your GP.

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Speaker 6: Then after that there might be a weeks to months wait,

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Speaker 6: whether it's for a referral to headspace or to a psychologist.

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Speaker 6: There's also very busy in overstretched emergency departments where some

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Speaker 6: think some of the biggest barriers there is a there's

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so quite a lot of activities in that area.

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Speaker 2: But the truth is, even with this, people are still

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Speaker 5: Well it certainly as I say, investing record amounts of

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Speaker 5: What we've done immediately in recent months is open up

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Speaker 6: The other part really also is the cost and for

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Speaker 2: So I've put this important question to the Assistant Minister.

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Speaker 2: So that's the current government's plan. But like I said,

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Speaker 6: I'm working with my boss, Mark Butler at the moment,

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Speaker 6: Because really, really, if we're going to be working on

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Speaker 2: Now let's tend our attention to what the government is

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Speaker 2: In particular, suicide rates are more than twice as high

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Speaker 2: Here's what David Coleman said. So young people care a

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Speaker 2: What's being done to address mental health outcomes in First

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Speaker 5: Yeah, one hundred percent, it absolutely is.

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Speaker 5: Our budget packaging mental health has five key pillars and

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Speaker 2: but he couldn't exactly say if what they are currently

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, we always look at results of previous activities.

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Speaker 2: And you're comfortable that it is working as effectively as

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Speaker 5: There's always more we can do. I mean that the

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's return to Kate's story. Kate went to five

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Speaker 4: That is a tough question, honestly, No, If I'm being

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Speaker 4: have been taking those since then. But as a you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm just advocating for medicating over you know, counseling services

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Speaker 4: long everywhere, you don't really have that option anymore of

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Speaker 4: trying different psychologists and figuring out which one is the

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Speaker 4: best fit for you, because you know, each time that

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Speaker 4: much out of that service as I was hoping I

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Speaker 4: could have, and I ended up, yeah, just stopped going

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Speaker 4: after about five appointments, which probably you know, wasn't the

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Speaker 4: best decision, but I just felt like they weren't the

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Speaker 2: And so if it was affordable and there weren't those

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Speaker 2: wait times, would you like to see a psychologist right now?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, yeah. I'm just not in a position anymore to

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Speaker 4: be able to afford it, like, plain as day, Like

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Speaker 4: I just can't afford it at the moment. Even with

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Speaker 4: the mental health care plan, It's just not enough.

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Speaker 2: So, as you can see, there are significant barriers for

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Speaker 2: many of us when it comes to accessing mental health services.

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Speaker 2: It is true that the government is investing record amounts

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