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Speaker 1: This is Outspoken the podcast it's not afraid to say

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Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking.

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Speaker 2: Our names are.

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Speaker 1: Amy Kate and Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we

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Speaker 1: often don't have identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated.

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Speaker 1: Outspoken covers all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues

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Speaker 1: facing women.

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Speaker 2: That is so fat, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Well. It was certainly a different vibe tonight because for

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Speaker 1: the first time ever, we're recording on a Saturday night.

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Speaker 1: It does feel a bit weird. I kind of like

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Speaker 1: it though, it's a little bit more relaxed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I loved the drive up, so we always joke about

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Speaker 1: how my house is quite far away from Sophie's, but

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Speaker 1: there was literally no traffic. I was eating a burrito

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Speaker 1: in the car and listening to Taylor Swift's new Fearless album.

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Speaker 1: This is epic this album. Firstly, I love the fact

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Speaker 1: that she has taken her power back and recorded all

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Speaker 1: of her songs, and she now has released songs that

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Speaker 1: she recorded sorry wrote when she was sixteen and eighteen,

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Speaker 1: and these songs are absolute bangers. I don't know why

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Speaker 1: they weren't on the original album, which she's written so

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Speaker 1: many good songs that I suppose I have to really

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Speaker 1: cut them down. And I was a little bit worried

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Speaker 1: because it's an unpopular opinion, but I have struggled to

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Speaker 1: get into folklore and evermore. However, as soon as I

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Speaker 1: started listening to these new songs they like, I was hooked,

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Speaker 1: as I normally am with her albums. I am so

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Speaker 1: obsessed with mister perfectly Fine. I could just envision my

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Speaker 1: twenty year old self listening to this song in the car,

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Speaker 1: singing about all these old dickheads that I went out with.

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Speaker 1: I could I was back there in that moment listening

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Speaker 1: to that song. It's funny you say that, because I

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Speaker 1: listened to the whole album, and I really was getting

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Speaker 1: flashbacks to when I was twenty one, because we first

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Speaker 1: started listening to Taylor Swift when You Belong with Me, Well,

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Speaker 1: I think I had been out for a while. Someone

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Speaker 1: just put it onto my I think it was MP

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Speaker 1: three by it actually vintage. Well. A lot of articles

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Speaker 1: nostalgia of things, so they remember what the songs meant.

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Speaker 1: To them at that time, so it is like reliving

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Speaker 1: your youth and your memories when you listen to some

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Speaker 1: of these tracks again, well, particularly fifteen. I mean, I know,

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Speaker 1: I said we were like twenty one twenty two when

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Speaker 1: we started listening, but those songs never get old. And

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Speaker 1: I do love the fact that an avid listener can

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Speaker 1: pick up on the little differences in the song. So

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Speaker 1: there'll be the odd chuckle or I mean just her

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Speaker 1: voice sounds a lot more mature because it was more

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Speaker 1: so perhaps it was the country tone. But I do

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Speaker 1: what songs everyone else is obsessed with. I'll put up

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Speaker 1: a thread in our Facebook community, which is outspoken, the

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Speaker 1: pod cast community. Fellow swifties hit us up in there.

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Speaker 2: Perfectly. How's your heart?

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Speaker 1: That's a way, hid mister?

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Speaker 2: Always that all right?

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Speaker 1: Please. Mattie Finlay has joined a number of female influencers

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Speaker 1: in an attempt to be relevant to female brands. Okay,

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Speaker 1: can you tell us a little bit about this new account. Well,

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Speaker 1: Mattie Finlay has been really open and honest this week

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Speaker 1: about the fact that she is struggling to reach her audience,

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Speaker 1: should be served to. Now, Maddie has actually started a

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Speaker 1: for those people who don't actually follow Maddie, what kind

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Speaker 1: and when you follow that, it actually directs you to

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Speaker 1: it's really confusing because on the one hand, she says

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Speaker 1: But to me, if you start an OnlyFans account, aren't

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Speaker 1: you then trying to attract a male following as well?

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Speaker 1: So perhaps she's trying to separate these two followings. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and for anyone that's wondering what and her onlyfan account

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Speaker 1: something described as launchyer PPV content which is sent frequently,

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Speaker 1: She's got ninety five photos, thirteen videos, and has amassed

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Speaker 1: I just say that there is absolutely no issue if

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Speaker 1: Because I do feel like, as much as people are

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Speaker 1: I do wonder if it's something that brands don't want

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Speaker 1: maybe those brand deals aren't coming along, and maybe she's

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Speaker 1: I did have a scroll through her posts, and she

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Speaker 1: So Maddie has worked with Revolve, She's worked with Lounge Underwear,

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Speaker 1: I do think that she is getting brand deals. However,

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Speaker 1: I question if her audience isn't legitimately female and the

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Speaker 1: It's fairly evident when you look at her new account

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Speaker 1: and it has been up for about a week now,

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Speaker 1: Assume if you had people who were genuinely interested in

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Speaker 1: than two hundred and eighty people. Well, particularly when you

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Speaker 1: does really put a big question mark over are any

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Speaker 1: of these women's followers actually legitimately the audience that brands

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Speaker 1: Some of them are just so creepy. For instance, one says,

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Speaker 1: Mattie Finlay, I love you, my baby, and I want

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Speaker 1: Do you guys think that it is pretty unethical of

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Speaker 1: and I don't think it's good from a business sense either,

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Speaker 1: because you may be getting a payment for them, you know,

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Speaker 1: a one off payment. However, if your code doesn't work

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Speaker 1: some of these influencers though, because shouldn't they be able

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Speaker 1: Maybe we're not going to use her for our next

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Speaker 1: brand drop. But I feel like maybe they're being deceptive

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Speaker 1: influencers work from media kits, and often the media kits

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Speaker 1: I do feel like a lot of brands will take

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Speaker 1: influencers on face value, which yes, is probably on them

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Speaker 1: to do their research. However, with Instagram taking away likes,

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Speaker 1: it is getting harder and harder to tell you what

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Speaker 1: people's genuine engagement is. I mean, I did look up

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Speaker 1: Maddie's profile on social Blade and her engagement level is

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Speaker 1: one point five eight.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that she feels somewhat worried or embarrassed

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Speaker 1: that this page is only attracted.

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Speaker 2: A very minimal following.

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Speaker 1: Well, I actually think it puts a question mark over

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: For me, it's really risk first reward. I mean, at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, these influencers have managed to

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Speaker 1: amass a large audience. Be it not an audience that

441
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Speaker 1: these brands are actually interested in targeting.

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Speaker 2: For their product.

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Speaker 1: However, it's really a stepping stone. So they've managed to

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Speaker 1: get on. Some of them are managed to get on

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Speaker 1: these big brand trips where they're juxtapositioned with other influencers

446
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Speaker 1: who we may genuinely have a following of the demographic

447
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,120
Speaker 1: that is desired, so they then, in turn, by being

448
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Speaker 1: put in the right spot, actually start attracting the audience

449
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Speaker 1: that they want. Thinking back though, to your point Amy

450
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Speaker 1: about this pornified imagery that we're seeing on Instagram, it

451
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Speaker 1: really does make me worried for the younger generation of

452
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Speaker 1: females that are starting to go on Instagram. I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: about tweens and teenagers who just see this content as

454
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Speaker 1: a very normal way for women to be betrayed. And

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm already seeing it myself, a lot

456
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Speaker 1: of young women thinking that their worth is only in

457
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Speaker 1: their appearance and being attractive to men. And it does

458
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Speaker 1: worry me that there's a lot of women out there

459
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Speaker 1: that see the world of influencing very attractive and therefore

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Speaker 1: they're going to try and get a following based on

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Speaker 1: objectifying themselves on Instagram. Yeah. Yeah, well that's exactly what

462
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Speaker 1: this study pointed out. It's said there is this trend

463
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Speaker 1: of this pornified aesthetic and it has real consequences for

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Speaker 1: gender equality because it positions women as only existing for

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Speaker 1: men's sexual consumption, which it's I mean, no one really

466
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Speaker 1: talks about that, do they, Because no one wants to

467
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 1: be shaming women. And as we've said, women should be

468
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Speaker 1: able to post whatever they want, but we also need

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Speaker 1: to understand there are ramifications of it as well.

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Speaker 2: We'd love to hear what you guys think on this topic.

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Speaker 1: Please join us in our Facebook community, which is Outspoken

472
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: the podcast community and have your say. Jamie is your

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Speaker 1: top your grandfather from God's sagment.

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Speaker 2: But I don't want you to go.

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Speaker 1: You'll be alright, darling.

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Speaker 2: Thanks. Fuck that's ober.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into the influencer rap, and jar Da Tunci

478
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,360
Speaker 1: is the latest influencer to take aim at celebspelcheck. Sophie,

479
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 1: can you please fill us in on what's been going down?

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Speaker 2: Will?

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Speaker 1: It all started when Australia announced that it would be

482
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Speaker 1: opening up a travel bubble with New Zealand, so as

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Speaker 1: influencers do, jar Day chucked up a question box on

484
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Speaker 1: her Instagram story and asked her followers for recommendations about

485
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Speaker 1: mustay spots in New Zealand, as well as the best

486
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Speaker 1: place is to skip. I found it quite funny that

487
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: as soon as we can travel somewhere, all the influencers

488
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: were all about booking in their next trip. But reading

489
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: between the lines, that's just basically saying, hey, brands, I'm

490
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Speaker 1: going to New zeal Who's going to offer me free

491
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: accommodation and free things to do? Well?

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Speaker 2: Celeb's belcheck got onto it pretty quickly.

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Speaker 1: She re shared the post and Juxta positioned it with

494
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: a video that jar Da shared on her real jar

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00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: Da Tunci page, where she poked fun at people for

496
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Speaker 1: not having the ability to google basic information, so she

497
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 1: was pretty much having a girl at her followers who

498
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Speaker 1: send her in questions that could easily be googled. I

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Speaker 1: do love the fact that Celeb's belcheck just had this

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Speaker 1: one waiting on the archives ready to go well. She

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00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: also captioned it brilliantly. She wrote mount hypocrite. And this

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Speaker 1: post received a huge amount of comments from people who

503
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Speaker 1: agreed that this was incredibly tone deaf and that she

504
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 1: was clearly after a sponsored trip, and a lot of

505
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: people also pointed out that she is extremely condescending in

506
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Speaker 1: the video and it seems to be a common theme

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Speaker 1: for her at the moment.

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Speaker 2: So she has that real jar.

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Speaker 1: Da Tunci page and she kind of posts content that

510
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Speaker 1: is very condescending, but under the guise of being commedi.

511
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Speaker 1: I literally can't stand those videos. I don't find them

512
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Speaker 1: funny at all, and it appears that a lot of

513
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 1: people are starting to lose any sort of interest in

514
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: following that page. The whole issue is that when Jada

515
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: is called out, she goes, oh, I was just joking.

516
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: But the issue is that people don't think of it

517
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: as being a joke because the execution is so pore.

518
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Speaker 1: Getting back into this drama. It was only a few

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00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: months ago that Celebs Spellcheck shared a series of old

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Speaker 1: social media posts that influences had made, and Jada wrote

521
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Speaker 1: a post on Facebook where she said Aboriginals weren't originally

522
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Speaker 1: from here now. Despite being called out for racism, Jade

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00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: did not acknowledge this post at all. She did not

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Speaker 1: issue an apology and she did not say anything to

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00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: celeb Spellcheck about it. It was clear that she hoped

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Speaker 1: the whole thing would go away. However, she has decided

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Speaker 1: to comment about the New Zealand post. Well, this is

528
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: essentially deja vous from a couple of months ago when

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Speaker 1: we had our own run in with jar Day because

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Speaker 1: she could Jadah, it actually slipped out like about it. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: as I said, she was so offended that we made

532
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Speaker 1: fun that she was over promoting her engagement and felt

533
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Speaker 1: the need.

534
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 2: To call us out.

535
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Speaker 1: However, as you said, remained very quiet about being racist.

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Speaker 1: You guys have to listen to this comment though. The

537
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: absolute shade thrown out this So she said, Hi, exclamation mark,

538
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: so happy you love this story so much that you've

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00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: decided to recycle it several times not sure where the

540
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: spelling error is though this should be common sense. But

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Speaker 1: the reason I've asked so many people to google things

542
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 1: is not because they've asked me where something is from

543
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: that I'm wearing. I'm always happy to share that info

544
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: and always tag things in my post chair.

545
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 2: I wonder why, because you get paid for it.

546
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 1: It's where people DM me about things like having a

547
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: rash on their skin, or basic info and stuff that

548
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 1: I have no knowledge of. Yes, this happens, That's what

549
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: the story is directed towards. I also asked my followers

550
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: questions because I trust their judgment over random people have

551
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,040
Speaker 1: written articles on the Internet. It's much more personal and

552
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: I get to have conversations with them in more detail

553
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: about their suggestions. Your page has become a forum of bulling,

554
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: and I find it pretty disgusting that you think what

555
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 1: you're doing is okay.

556
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 2: I really struggle to see how that post was bulling

557
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 2: at all.

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00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 1: It was really a tongue in cheek fun video that

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00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: if jar Day had just laughed it off, it would

560
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: have been fine. I can see how perhaps jar Day

561
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: would have seen the comments more as bullying THO were

562
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: on the post. There was a little bit of a

563
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 1: pylon going on, but selep'spelcheck has been moderating the post,

564
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 1: and since jar Day actually posted on there, the comments

565
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: have been turned off. What I did love was that

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00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: Selep's spellcheck didn't shy away from this comment. She hit

567
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Speaker 1: back with a mega punch. I just laugh when I

568
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: saw it, she wrote back. But surely asking for must

569
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: C spots in New Zealand is a basic question.

570
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 2: That you can google while you're here.

571
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Speaker 1: Are you going to comment on slash apologize for what

572
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: you said about Aboriginals? This received three hundred and thirty likes.

573
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: Jar Day wrote, I'll definitely address this for you, as

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00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: you've clearly screenshotted a comment without any context whatsoever. So

575
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: does a comment like that need context exactly?

576
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 2: And tried to make it about race.

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Speaker 1: I was referencing the fact that Aboriginals have been linked

578
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: to Africa.

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Speaker 2: Here's an article you.

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00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: Can read that will articulate it a lot better than

581
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: I can. This is why I didn't apologize, and you

582
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: know this because you've screenshotted at it without any context

583
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: about the post, which was referring to historic events. Stop

584
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: trying to insinuate that I'm racist. When I never have

585
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: been and never will be. So again, what you're doing

586
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: is absolutely disgusting. And then she chose to share the link.

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00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: To the article. So if you don't have the.

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00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: Ability to explain what you meant by the comment, then

589
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: why did you make the comment in the first place?

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00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 2: Exactly?

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00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, but I think that in this situation,

592
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: you should apologize. You've clearly caused offense to people with

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00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: this comment. Yeah, even if she didn't, that's the thing.

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00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: Even if she didn't actually mean offense by it, people

595
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: have been offended, So just apologize. I mean, I don't

596
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: necessarily think that jar Day is racist, but the comment

597
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: was offensive to people.

598
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 2: Well everyone.

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00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: You know, the comment was made a long time ago now,

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00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: and we really should give people the opportunity to learn

601
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: and grow for it. But I think the first step

602
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,959
Speaker 1: of learning and growing for something is actually putting out

603
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: a legitimate apology, not pretending as if you don't know

604
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: that this comment has been brought up.

605
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: Well that's what celeb spellcheck wrote back to her.

606
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: She said, people took offense to your comment, questioned you

607
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: about it, and you blocked and deleted everyone.

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00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 2: It's on you to.

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Speaker 1: Explain, which I think is pretty fair enough, and to

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00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: be honest, I think it is offensive to just check

611
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: up the article again and to give that article legitimacy

612
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,719
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, exactly right. Well it doesn't stop there, because,

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Speaker 1: as Celebs Spellcheck said, jar Day is very keen to

614
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: press blocks, She's very keen to report things, and jar

615
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: Day has actually taken a step to report Celebs spell Check,

616
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: not for bullying as she claimed, but actually for copyright breach.

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00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: I've reached out to celeb Spellcheck when all of this

618
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: drama was unfolding, and she sent me a screenshot showing

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00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: that jar Day had reported the Veta copyright and I

620
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: was really surprised that it was taken down. It was

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Speaker 1: seen as a breach of copyright despite the fact that

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Speaker 1: she has shared that content on Instagram. Now there's a

623
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Speaker 1: lot of hypocrisy going on with jar Day and this

624
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: was really evident in a post she said this week

625
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: following on from a video she did, well sorry, a

626
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: comedy video she did about Lates. This was so cringe

627
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: and tone deaf, so for those who didn't see it

628
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: on her real jar Da tun't she account. She put

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Speaker 1: up a bit of a like internal monologue in her

630
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Speaker 1: car about why are ice lates five dollars and normal

631
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Speaker 1: lattes four dollars fifty when like his ice really expensive

632
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: and why should she be charged fifty cents extra? Firstly,

633
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: are you bloody serious, Like, after the year we've had

634
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: with COVID and cafes have been absolutely rocked with you know,

635
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: uncertainty around wages and all that sort of thing, you're

636
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: really complaining about paying five dollars for an ice lighte

637
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: even in Adelaide that's cheap. And ice lattes also uses

638
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: more milk as well, as one user pointed out that

639
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: with an ice late you get a double shot of coffee.

640
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: They're in bigger glasses. There's also energy used to create

641
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: the ice. Some people pay for ice, and also wages

642
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: are so high and rent is high for the venues

643
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: that are used. But Jade saw this post and instead

644
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: of you know, moving on, she had to single the

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Speaker 1: person out.

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00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 2: She did blur out.

647
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: Their name, but she wrote to the people who were

648
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: wondering why this page is on private now or why

649
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: I wasn't posting here for a while, This is the reason.

650
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: As the audience here grows, people sort of forgot what

651
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: the page was about and started taking my comedic videos

652
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: way too seriously. The only posts here that are serious

653
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: are quite obvious, and they're usually me discussing details of

654
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: my personal life, experiences and emotions to hopefully give people

655
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: something to relate to other than that I'm joking. Please

656
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Speaker 1: stop taking the videos so seriously, or just leave the

657
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: page if you don't quite get my sense of humor. Now,

658
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: the absolute hypocrisy of defending her own actions by saying

659
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: it's comedy and then calling celebs Spelchek a bully for

660
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: posting something that so many people found legitimately funny, whereas

661
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: no one really found her round about the cost of

662
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: ice coffee funny at all. And I feel late, and

663
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: I feel like saying to Jade, well, your tone is

664
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: incredibly condescending on your real page, which is apparently your

665
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: comedic page, and then also your real real page, which

666
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: is her main account, so we can't really tell because

667
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: you're you're bitchy and condescending on both of those accounts.

668
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: So that's where there seems to be a blurred line

669
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: between what's comedic and what's real. And you can't be

670
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: on your own account posting really expensive designer brands and

671
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: clothes all the time, and then be fussing about fifty

672
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: cents and saying it's a job. You're clearly not one

673
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: of the people. No, she's clearly trying to be one

674
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: of the people complaining about expensive cafes when she's unaware

675
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: of how she is being perceived.

676
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: I'm confused, though, why it's meant to be funny.

677
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: When she just puts on that voice where it takes

678
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: so long to get any furious. So she uses that

679
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: voice for all of her video, so it just seems

680
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: to be her natural voice. Now this turned into an

681
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: even bigger shit storm. So on Saturday afternoon, celeb' spelcheck

682
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: got her revenge. I feel like this was a middle

683
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,719
Speaker 1: finger right up at Jaddy, don't she? She shed an

684
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: old post that she found on Tumblr that Ja Day

685
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: had written. So just before I read it, I'll just

686
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: give a warning that there is some offensive and derogatory

687
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: language used in it. It says, hi, someone directed this

688
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: page and told me if I wanted to be a faggot,

689
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: you would be the best to learn off.

690
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: So can I have some tips? What the hell? When

691
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: was that posted?

692
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: Now? This was actually posted in twenty fourteen, so jar

693
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: Day was nineteen at the time, and what I read

694
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Speaker 1: that it was twenty fourteen.

695
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 2: I thought, wow, that was not long ago at all.

696
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: No, and wasn't the post actually directed at her sister? Yes,

697
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: it was directed at her sister, And we do have

698
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: to note that Jade actually.

699
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 2: Did put up an apology.

700
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: She wrote, It's absolutely no excuse, but this comment was

701
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: made on a blog when I was a teenager, before

702
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: I knew better. I'll be the first to admit that

703
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: I'm not perfect, and I've made a lot of mistakes

704
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: I regret deeply. The worst part is that I've hurt

705
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: people with my choices of words when I strive to

706
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: raise others up and make them feel good about themselves.

707
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: I'm really sorry to anyone I might have offended with

708
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 1: this comment. It's completely unacceptable, and I expelled this word

709
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: from my vocabulary a very long time ago when I

710
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: realized that it was hurtful and wrong. I'm really sorry

711
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 1: that I was ever naive enough to use this word.

712
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: Good honor for apologizing, However, I feel like there's a

713
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: lot of excuses made within that. There's oh, I was

714
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: only a teenager, well, nineteen, that's the oldest you can

715
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: be as a teenager, so I don't know if you

716
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: should be including your age in it. Secondly, saying I'm

717
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: sorry I was ever that naive. Again, there's a lot

718
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: that denotes an excuse. I think you've just got to

719
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: say this was not acceptable, I'm sorry, and I'm learning

720
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: from it.

721
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 2: I don't really like the use of excuses within it.

722
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I'm kind of in two minds about

723
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: it because although it doesn't seem like that long ago

724
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: when you say twenty fourteen, I do feel like people

725
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 1: do have the opportunity to change. I feel like if

726
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: you scrolled back through everyone's past, there would be things

727
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: that they weren't proud of that they've written online. But

728
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: I do feel sorry for her in this respect, because

729
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: I don't think she meant any malice by putting this

730
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: up at all. But I suppose it gives you an

731
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: insight into what she's like behind closed doors. I mean,

732
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: you know, in saying that that could be someone she's

733
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: not anymore. However, it's hard because a lot of influencers

734
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: these days are involved in performative activism, but then again,

735
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: there's lots of pressure on them to behave in that way.

736
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 2: But a lot of.

737
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: These influences these days are kind of perpetuating that image

738
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: of being holier than now, and they are involved in

739
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: performative activism. So I feel like that's why there's this

740
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: gotcha moment when people find out, well, hang on, they've

741
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: been using these derogatory terms before.

742
00:35:59,520 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 2: Yeah.

743
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: I just think that as a society we really have changed,

744
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: even since seven years ago. You know, some words that

745
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: I'm not saying those words were acceptable, but they were

746
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: freely used more than.

747
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 2: They are now.

748
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 1: And I do think it was great that she apologized. However,

749
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: the apology wasn't up for long. It was only up

750
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: for about half an hour because Celeb's spelcheck chose to

751
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: remove the comment when she saw Jarde how apologized. And

752
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: I do feel if you are genuinely sorry about it,

753
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: you should keep the comment up there. However, I suppose

754
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: it does damage her brand by having something up there

755
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, well, she did choose to put it

756
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: on her private account, which is her backup account, so again,

757
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: she wasn't really damaging any brand relationship she has with

758
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: her main account. Do you know what it shows you

759
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: that you should never go into batter with Celeb's Spellcheck

760
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: because they just got to do a deep dive on

761
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:50,479
Speaker 1: you and it's not going to end well.

762
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: This is future Sophie.

763
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: Here, we have to touch on the huge elephant in

764
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: the room. Since recording this podcast on Saturday night, Celebt's

765
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: Spellcheck has announced she is permanently deleting her account. She

766
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: wrote on Instagram on Sunday morning, Hi everyone. As you know,

767
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: I have spent some time thinking about the future of

768
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: this account. After weighing up many options, the time has

769
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: come to say goodbye to Celeb's Spellcheck. This account has

770
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: become too big, too powerful, and too time consuming for

771
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: me to enjoy running it anymore. There is no scandalous

772
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: reason behind the decision. I'm not being threatened, sued, or

773
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: controlled in any way. I will be permanently deleting the

774
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: account tomorrow. Thank you so much to everyone who has

775
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: followed and supported the page. She also followed up in

776
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: saying that if any copycat pages pop up claiming to

777
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 1: be her, they are definitely not. Although Celeb'spellcheck has touched

778
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: on the fact that she is not being sued and

779
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: that is not what is motivating her to make this decision,

780
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: I think it is very interesting timing that she has

781
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: had this run in with Jade. It is also important

782
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: to point out that Ja Day was able to report

783
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: the post for a breach of copyright, so I do

784
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: wonder if Celeb's spellcheck was worried that this was going

785
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: to occur regularly. In saying that, I just want to

786
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: say thank you to celebs spellcheck for holding influences to

787
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: account in the way that she has, and I totally

788
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: respect her decision to want to move on from the

789
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: page and just.

790
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 2: Enjoy her life.

791
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: Obviously it wasn't enjoyable for her to do anymore. The

792
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: thing I will miss the most, as I'm sure a

793
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: lot of people will, is the incredible caption she shared

794
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: with every post, Celebspelcheck. If you're listening, thanks for the

795
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: fun times and we will definitely all miss you. Thiscusey Cappuccino.

796
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: I ask for a decab cafe loveday you incompety. Kim

797
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: herself moving on and Chloe Zepp has posted a very

798
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: interesting Q and A on her page this week. So

799
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: she opened up about so many different topics, including vaccinating

800
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: her son and her relationship with Mitch. So firstly, someone

801
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: asked her how her relationship with Mitch's going and she

802
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: said that basically their personal relationships been put on the

803
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: back burner because of Artie and her new business, but

804
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,439
Speaker 1: they're focusing on reconnecting. And I kind of thought good

805
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: on her for being honest about that, because a lot

806
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: of influencers out there want to pretend that their relationship

807
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: is perfect. I feel like that's such a normal thing

808
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: to happen though, when you have a child, because I

809
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: feel like most mums their attention does go to looking

810
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: after the baby because they're the one has to get

811
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: up and do the breastfeeding and all that sort of stuff,

812
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: So it's kind of a very natural thing.

813
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

814
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely think it is very relatable to mums,

815
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: and I did like the fact that she was so

816
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: raw and honest with it. Yeah. Well, unfortunately I went

817
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: a little bit downhill from there because Chloe opened up

818
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: about how she wants to potentially send Artie to an

819
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: alternative or homeschool, which of course is fine if that's

820
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: what you want to do. However, she started talking about

821
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: how her new business, Well Web, could potentially have its

822
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: own school on line, and it kind of just seemed

823
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: very odd, particularly when she has no educational background. Yeah,

824
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: because she wrote, hopefully in the future, we can create

825
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: a school through well web, whether it be online or

826
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: in groups, like an online curriculum that people can do

827
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: in groups. Lol. I have big dreams. You'd hate to

828
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: be inside my head. It's fun though. Wait, so I'm

829
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: hoping that she doesn't actually mean it would be a school,

830
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: but it could be an out of curriculum.

831
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 2: It was a school, Oh my god.

832
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: It then got quite controversial when someone asked her her

833
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 1: thoughts on baby vaccinations and did you vaccinate ARTI?

834
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 2: So she said, I think it's.

835
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: A personal decision and it all depends on the individual

836
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: and upbringings. I did my own research and we made

837
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: informed decisions as a family. When you become a parent,

838
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: you are faced with many decisions that have to be made.

839
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: It's all part of the journey. Each and every journey

840
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: is unique. Her response was very different to what she

841
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: spoke about on her vlog in November, when her and

842
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 1: Mitch kind of hit out and said that these claims

843
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: that their anti vaxxes are not true and that they

844
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: were planning to vaccinate Artie once they had built up

845
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: his immune system. Well, she hasn't really said yes or

846
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: no in that answer, has she Yeah, she's kind of

847
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: very much sat on the fence. And it's not to

848
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: say that she hasn't vaccinated Artie because in the YouTube

849
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: they said they had made the decision that they wanted

850
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: to vaccinate him. But I think it's just really disappointing

851
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: because it's clear she's trying not to offend any of

852
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: her followers, and while she does need to think about

853
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: other people's feelings, I just think on this topic it's

854
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: so important to not spread misinformation and to actually be

855
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: pro vaccination. And that's the thing. Not everyone would have

856
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 1: seen her YouTube video to know whether she had vaccinated

857
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: her son or not. Yeah, but playing Devil's advocate, the

858
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: amount of hate that she would get from anti vaxes

859
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: if she were to say, hey, I vaccinate my child

860
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: or if she said I don't vaccinate, But she's going

861
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: to get hate either way.

862
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 2: What did I mean?

863
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: But maybe she was just like trying to play it

864
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: safe so she doesn't so she.

865
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Speaker 2: Thinks that, oh, not going to get hate from any more.

866
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: But I think it's a dangerous thing to sit on

867
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: the fence with something so important. Well, don't answer the question,

868
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: and you could easily avoid it by not answering the question.

869
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: I totally agree, Kay, I think that she should come

870
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: out and say yes, I have vaccinated Artie because she

871
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: is so influential exactly, and there has been rumors that

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Speaker 1: she isn't anti vaxxer because Celeb'spellcheck posted how Chloe had

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Speaker 1: liked an anti VAXs page. So I think despite putting

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Speaker 1: it on your YouTube platform, that you do plan to

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Speaker 1: vaccinate Arti. Her audience is so much smaller on YouTube

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Speaker 1: compared to Instagram. There are no rules in this house,

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Speaker 1: not like a regular mom.

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Speaker 2: I'm a cool mark, right, Regina.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that's all we've got time for today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Well, if you did enjoy today's episode, could you please

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