WEBVTT - The Red Coat 0:00:02.680 --> 0:00:06.080 Just before nine o'clock last night, the jury returned guilty 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:08.480 verdicts against all three defendants. 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:11.119 It was absolutely shambles, to tell you the truth, just 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:12.480 absolutely really coming. 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:13.280 Blood on his clothing. 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:15.080 The day after the alleged at top. 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:16.560 On a show a mud bank and it fits through 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:16.960 a river. 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:19.239 Basically, I think most of the people are used to me, 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:20.600 there are good people. 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:23.280 I think a really important question we need to ask 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:26.360 is how many Indigenous prisoners in Australia are innocent. 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:29.880 This is Curtain, a podcast where we pull back the 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:32.440 blinds to shine a light on the darkest parts of 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:36.240 our justice system and ask who are the victims. I'm 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:38.879 Amy Maguire and I'm. 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:43.040 Martin Hodgson, a senior advocate for the Foreign Prisoner Support Service. 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:47.160 And a warning. This series contains the names of deceased 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:51.680 peoples and has distressing content that might upset some listeners. 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:56.640 Last week we discussed with you the statement given by 0:00:56.880 --> 0:01:01.840 a Witness X. Remember this sty was given some ten 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:06.319 years after events took place at Tenuber House, and so 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:09.200 that's in two thousand and two that that statement was 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:14.720 given by Witness X. We mentioned that Witness X saw 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:19.640 people who we have named that is a Willie West 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:26.119 in a green car and drove over the bridge, under 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:31.840 another bridge and parked near the river where Witness X 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:37.160 believed garbage was being dumped, but would later conclude that 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:40.040 that was not the case. And the inference is that 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:45.559 there's a high possibility that that was Linda's body. Now 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:49.040 we're going to continue with more of that witness statement, 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:53.040 and we'll go back to the very start of that 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:57.680 witness statement of Witness X, who explains the events from 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:02.360 when they arrived that day in Rockhampton, and the first 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:05.600 place they talk about is a place called the Road Thunder. 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:09.440 So Amy, for our listeners, can you explain to everyone 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:13.000 where in rock Hampton the Road Thunder is and where 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:16.440 it is in relation to the Crown Hotel and in 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:18.000 particular Tanuba House. 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:19.600 Yeah. 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:22.000 So, I think what our listeners have to understand is 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:25.679 a lot of the geographical locations in this case, they're 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:27.799 all very close to each other, and at the time, 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:30.560 a lot of Oriiginal people who lived on the riverbank, 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:34.240 they actually walked everywhere. Very few people had cars. In fact, 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:36.240 I don't think any of them would have had cars. 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:39.480 They either took taxis or they walked around. But The 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:42.240 Road Thunder is actually in one of the main streets 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:45.960 of Rockhampton, and it's the street that cuts through the mall, 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:51.040 and it's a prominent landmark within the actual center of 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:55.280 the mall in Rockampton. And it's about if you walked 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:59.680 another five or ten minutes to your right up towards, 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:05.120 you'd reached Chenerba House, and just shortly across another street 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:07.240 you only have to walk about five more minutes to 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:09.440 get to the Crown Hotel. So they were all in 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:12.280 walking distance of each other and likely would have been 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:15.680 visited by a lot of people on the riverbank around 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:16.240 that time. 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.320 Last week we read to you the section of Witness 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:24.359 x's statement that related to the green car, the moving 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:28.720 and dumping of Linda's body in the river, and an 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:33.080 individual named Willie West. Now I'm going to go to 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:38.280 another section of Witness x's statement, and it starts this way. 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:43.760 I was at the Mall in Rockhampton on the thirty 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:48.280 first day of August nineteen ninety one when I asked 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:52.640 friends where did all the Rribinda people drink? They told 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:56.360 me at the Road Thunder. They showed me the directions 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:59.680 and I made my way down there. It was about 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:03.240 mid day when I got to the road under on 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:08.600 Key Street, I saw. Now I'm not going to name 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:14.040 all of those individuals because it's unfair to witnesses who 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:16.760 had nothing to do with the case to name them, 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:20.839 but I will say that it does include the women 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:25.800 who committed the assault, and Witness X goes on to 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:29.760 say they were all drinking and I sat down with 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:34.680 them drinking on the grass under the shady gum tree. 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:37.719 A woman came along. I didn't know her at all. 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:44.240 She sang out, come here, you West Australia and see 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:47.799 this woman walked down to where someone else was sitting 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:53.599 in a group of people drinking. Then we all seen 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:59.480 her run away from that group. A person named then 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:02.080 ran after to her and got hold of her and 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:06.200 hit her. Then the others ran towards her and beat 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:10.200 her too. Now again I'm going to leave out a 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:14.440 number of people's names who were not involved. But once 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:19.040 again Witness X names the three women that were in 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:25.240 fact convicted of the assault, and Witness X says, I 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:29.279 didn't know why they were hitting her. Then I asked 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:32.080 other people who was coming to the road tunder to 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:36.560 stop them from hitting her, but no one done anything 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:41.560 and said it was none of their business. Then Witness 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:45.359 X moves to a separate part of their statement. This 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:50.120 is when they explain where Kevin Henry was at that time. 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:56.240 Then Curtin staggered across the road to where we were sitting. 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:01.560 He lay down for a while to sleep under the 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:07.800 gum tree. The beating was still going on, and I 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:12.040 couldn't stand it anymore because she made me very sorry 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:17.640 for her. I told people to meet me at the 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:21.840 Crown and to wake curtain up before they leave the 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:25.479 road Under. I couldn't sit here any longer and watch 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:31.840 this poor woman being bashed. As I got up to walk, 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:35.640 a green car pulled up at the road Under. Two 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:38.799 men got out of the car and walked to where 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:42.320 we were all sitting and drinking under the gum tree. 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:46.520 I asked who they were, and they said the two 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:51.640 men from the green car are Willie West, who we 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:55.359 named last week, and again for fairness, I will not 0:06:55.520 --> 0:07:01.560 name the second person. Witness X continues. I made my 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:05.160 way to the Crown Hotel, where I stayed there and 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:09.880 drank everybody who I've seen at the road. Thunder ended 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:14.840 up at the Crown later that day, so Amy, I've 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:18.880 just read more of Witness X's statement to the listeners. 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:22.160 Was there anything in particular that stood out for you. 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:26.560 Well, it was interesting because we hadn't heard any other 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:31.000 accounts that Linda had been assaulted prior to the really 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:34.160 tragic assault in her at Tanuba House later in the 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:38.520 later in the afternoon. So it's interesting that this witness 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:43.240 remembers Linda potentially at another location, and so it makes 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:47.600 you wonder whether her memory is really reliable. But what 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:51.119 she describes that the rotunda actually makes a lot of sense. 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:53.440 And when I was thinking about the fact that this 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:57.120 witness is actually recounting what she saw ten years after, 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.560 and yet a lot of the geography of the rotunda 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.440 at the time actually makes a lot of sense. And 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:07.040 although the rotunda isn't there in Rockampton, it was actually 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:12.360 demolished last year. There's actually a big gum tree that 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:15.320 is still there that you can see straight in a 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:18.000 horizontal line, right in the eye view of where the 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:22.320 rotundi used to be. So it makes sense that a 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:25.040 Kevin Henry might have stumbled over there to go have 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:28.680 a sleep under that gum tree, and that Linda potentially 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:33.120 had actually been assaulted maybe even a couple of times 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:37.000 before she unfortunately died later that night. So that's what 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:39.760 really stood out to me about that statement. 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:42.280 Yeah, I think there's a few things we can draw 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:42.680 from it. 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:43.000 There. 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:48.040 One is, as you say, that seems like someone must 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:52.480 have certainly to know that tree. Someone must have been 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:54.959 there and seen it. This is not something you would 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:58.080 just make up ten years later. And it's not a 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:01.719 big thing, but it does go to explain a lot 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:06.160 of what we've always said, which is that Curtin Kevin 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:09.640 Henry was by his own admission, drunk that day and 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:14.079 slept most of that day, and this witness saw Curtain 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:17.960 sleeping under the gum tree. So it's not a big thing, 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:22.880 but again it's just more confirmation of something we already 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:25.760 thought might have been the case. And I think on 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:29.080 the other point you raise as to this being a 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:34.800 potential account of an earlier assault, it could very well 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:39.160 make perfect sense, which is that it's only that the 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:42.360 women committed a far more vicious assault later in the 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:46.440 day that they were charged for that assault and not 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:50.520 this one earlier. And that's why questions about this earlier 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:54.960 assault weren't raised. And we do already know from other 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:59.800 statements that Linda herself as well, was in fact in 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:03.920 center of rock Hampton during that day too, So it's 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:07.520 very possible that this witness is absolutely telling the truth, 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:11.560 in fact being more truthful than anyone else, and did 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:14.880 see both this assault and the first assault. 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:19.679 The other interesting thing, Martin, is that the witness saw 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:22.320 a green car earlier that day, and she actually saw 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:26.160 Willie Weston another man in that car. What do you 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:28.800 take from from that that she's seen that green car 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:31.080 twice and it's obviously stuck a memory. 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:35.760 Well, I think a that she saw that car and 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:40.400 the occupants in the daylight is very important. So I 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:45.040 think it makes her identification of those individuals and the 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:49.680 car later that night much more plausible because she'd already 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:52.760 had a good look at it, and she'd already been 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:58.520 told who these individuals were. And it also tends to 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:03.320 suggest that these men were hanging around, That these men 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:07.120 didn't just turn up by a chance that night later 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:10.880 after the more vicious assault. These men had been hanging 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:15.880 around all day. And we can actually take that as 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:19.600 well from another statement that was given, which is a 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:26.400 witness that we identified in episode one as LB, and 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:30.520 this witness says that they saw this individual, Willy West, 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:38.079 both at the Crown that day in Rockhampton and at 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:43.080 a number of times at Tanuba House. Now, again it's 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:47.320 very important to stress, as we did last week, that 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:52.400 the police never took a statement from Willy West, they 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:58.840 never sought to investigate Willie West, and they appear to 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:02.800 make no attempt to ask any of the other witnesses 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:06.800 who Willie West was. And this is despite the fact 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:11.439 that his name came up in multiple statements, that his 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:17.600 name is clearly linked to aspects of this crime, and 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:21.480 that his name was raised throughout the trial by Kevin 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:26.120 Henry's defense attorney and the other defense attorneys. But the 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:31.760 police simply deny any knowledge of this individual. And again 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:34.439 I personally find that very hard to believe. 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:38.760 So what else do we know about this LB from 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:39.320 the trial? 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:44.360 Well, LB is someone we mentioned in the very first 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:50.280 episode of Curtin because LB was in the watchhouse with 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:53.600 Kevin Henry at the time he was supposed to have 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:58.240 confessed to this crime. And if you haven't listened to 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:01.439 the episode about the confession, and it's very important you 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:05.920 go back and do that to understand why that confession 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:13.000 is so flawed. But LB was also asked about Willy West, 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:17.760 and so we have this LB who is arrested with 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:25.480 Kevin Henry, and he too had seen Willy West. But 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:31.960 there were some problems with LB's statements. Firstly, LB was 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:38.040 heavily intoxicated when they were first arrested and made statements 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:43.600 to police that never implicated Kevin Henry and really didn't 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:52.840 make any sense at all. Later on, LB would implicate 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:57.760 Kevin Henry, and we discussed this in episode one of 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:02.920 the podcast. But here's the important thing to know about 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:08.679 LB's statement that implicates Kevin Henry. That statement is dated 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:16.080 the thirtieth of August. Now, remember Linda was assaulted on 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:20.440 the thirty first of August, and those who were at 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:24.760 Tanuba House were not picked up, including Kevin Henry, until 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:30.240 the first of September. So how could LB's statement taken 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:36.680 on the thirtieth of August possibly contain any information about 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:41.120 the assault on Linda or Kevin Henry's involvement when it 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:46.000 was yet to take place, unless that statement was changed 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:49.240 at a later date and that was put to LB 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:56.160 at the trial. LB did deny this, but whether you 0:14:56.320 --> 0:15:01.760 believe that or not is up to you. Now, there's 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:05.880 one more thing that's very important to mention about LB. 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:11.080 Remembering that LB has made a statement that implicates Kevin Henry. 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:18.239 But this statement is dated the thirtieth of August, before 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:23.760 Linda was assaulted, and that is that LB was related 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:28.360 to two of Kevin Henry's co accused, two of the 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:34.480 women who were convicted of the grievous bodily harm against Linda. 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:40.080 This was not an impartial witness, so from that you 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:43.920 can draw your own conclusions. But personally, I think it 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:48.400 suggests serious problems with the credibility of a witness whose 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:53.000 first statement is not accurate, whose second statement is somehow 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:56.960 dated before the crime ever took place, and who, thirdly 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:01.960 is a direct relative a cousin of two of the 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:06.320 women who committed the vicious assault against Linda. 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:09.000 Now, when we talk about the people who would go 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:12.240 to Tanuba House, I mean a lot of them were 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:15.960 related to each other, sogus. How does this come into place? Surely, 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:18.880 when it came to a trial like this, a lot 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:22.920 of people would have been accustomed to testifying for or 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:24.560 against their relatives. 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:28.480 Yeah, I think that's certainly a fair point to raise, 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:31.400 And there's no doubt that. I think it's fair to 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:35.160 say most, if not everyone, who was there at Tanuba 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:40.360 House would have had relatives there as well. However, I 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:43.480 do think in a criminal trial, particularly when a man 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:46.880 is on trial for his life, it should have been 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:54.240 more accurately pointed out that the only witnesses who testify 0:16:55.000 --> 0:17:00.800 against Kevin Henry had direct relatives who were the three 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:04.639 women who committed the violent assault. And I think it 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:08.000 should have been made very clear to the jury that 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:12.600 although there was a lot of family members there that 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:15.439 day and there that night, and that was quite a 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:21.880 regular thing, that the people who testified against Kevin Henry 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:27.640 were direct relatives of the three women who committed the assault. 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:32.920 So I think we can at least had that been 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:35.560 put to the jury more clearly, they could have been 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:40.520 left to decide the truthfulness of those testimonies on their own. 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:44.639 And I also think it goes to the issue of 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:49.120 the fact that that Kevin had a joint trial, as 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:53.200 we discussed earlier in this series, with the three women 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:56.199 who committed the assault, and I think a lot of 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:59.840 the evidence, a lot of the witness statements have become 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:03.560 very confused in all of that, and I think it's 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:07.320 probably been glossed over that people who were pointing the 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:12.920 finger at Kevin with no actual evidence at all. These 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:15.960 were all statements that were changed at a later date, 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:20.359 were in fact direct relatives of the three women who 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:25.359 committed the assault, and that judge and jury should have 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:27.600 been more aware of that issue. 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:31.320 Now, there was another vital piece of information contained in 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:34.640 this statement, Mardin, Can you provide some of the contexts 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:37.440 behind that before we tell the listeners. 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:42.040 Yes, So, something that was placed into evidence at the 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:45.840 trial and accepted by both the prosecutor and the defense 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:52.879 was some information that related to Linda, and where it 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:57.879 relates to what we're about to reveal is that the 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:02.520 last thing Linda was seen wearing was as she was 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:07.080 walking from North Rockhampton towards the city, and she was 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:13.200 said to be wearing a red coat, black slacks, and 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:18.520 a headband or scarf. Now we've already revealed in this 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:25.159 podcast that the black slacks and the scarf were recovered 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:30.359 and multiple witnesses saw those black slacks, the scarf which 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:34.320 was white and black, and a red top on Linda 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:38.800 that day. So the one piece of clothing that was 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:42.800 not recovered by the police that Linda was wearing when 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:46.639 she was last seen when she first went missing. Is 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:51.120 that red coat. And I'll read to you from Witness 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:58.040 X's statement. This is what Witness x's statement says in 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:02.879 relation to that red coat, and they will mention Witness Why, 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:06.399 who remember from last week, was in the back of 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:10.160 the green car when it went over to the other 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:13.520 side of the river and something was dumped from the 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:21.080 boot of that car. Witness Ex's statement. Witness Why came 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:25.320 over to me and sat down. They had a red 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:29.720 long coat on with buttons down the front with two 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:33.760 big pockets. I noticed water dripping from the coat and 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:38.520 I asked, why is the coat wet and where did 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:43.400 it come from? Witness Why told me that it came 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:44.720 from the river bank. 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:46.520 Mardin. 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:49.080 How often did this red coat, in fact Linda was 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:52.879 laughing wearing a red coat come up during the trial 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:54.240 or in the witness statements. 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:55.320 Is it sort of called. 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:56.120 A common knowledge? 0:20:57.280 --> 0:21:00.320 Yes, so I think it was fairly well except did 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:04.920 by the witnesses that at some point at least they'd 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:09.280 all seen Linda wearing the red coat, and that's why 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:14.240 it was introduced as evidence and accepted without contest by 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:18.000 both the prosecutor and defense, so there was no contest 0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:22.320 over what Linda was wearing that day, which is that 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:27.200 she went missing wearing the red coat, the black slacks, 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:30.960 and the black and white scarf, and she would be 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:34.320 seen eight days later, the day of the assault, wearing 0:21:34.359 --> 0:21:35.440 those same clothes. 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:36.160 Again. 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:41.280 Now, what's important about what Witness X is just revealed 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:46.199 in their statement is that the red coat is the 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:49.679 one piece of clothing that Linda was wearing that was 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:57.119 not recovered by police. So the black slacks, the shirt 0:21:57.160 --> 0:22:01.679 that Linda was wearing, and the scarf were recovered the 0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:05.639 next day, and it was duck Hart, and we've spoken 0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:09.560 about this on an earlier podcast, who led police to 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:12.960 this evidence, and it was down by the riverbank near 0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:16.960 to an uber house. But this red coat has always 0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:21.280 been elusive. We didn't know what happened to it. But 0:22:21.440 --> 0:22:25.439 now we know a where the red coat was, that 0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:28.240 it was being worn by a person who was in 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:31.640 the car, that green car that drove to the other 0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:36.439 side of the river, that that coat was not destroyed, 0:22:36.480 --> 0:22:41.399 that it did still exist, and that very small piece 0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:47.080 of information that Witness X probably never realized was so important, 0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:51.440 which is that that coat that red coat of Linders, 0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:57.600 now being worn by another individual, was wet at the bottom. Again, 0:22:57.720 --> 0:23:02.400 this suggests that whoever was wearing that red coat, and 0:23:02.600 --> 0:23:07.640 particularly the coat itself, had been in or near the river, 0:23:08.840 --> 0:23:12.080 And there is no suggestion at all that Kevin Henry 0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:15.199 was ever in possession of that red coat, or that 0:23:15.320 --> 0:23:18.200 Kevin Henry had ever been near the river itself. 0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:21.320 So it was this further evidence of the theory that 0:23:21.400 --> 0:23:24.320 Linda was probably put in on the other side of 0:23:24.320 --> 0:23:25.800 the racecourse side of the river. 0:23:26.880 --> 0:23:30.200 The fact that the red coat was still being worn 0:23:30.280 --> 0:23:34.560 by someone, and particularly that it was wet and had 0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:38.400 water dripping from the coat itself, and this was very 0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:43.359 observable and obvious immediately to Witness X. I think does 0:23:43.680 --> 0:23:47.760 go more to the theory that I've proposed that Linda's 0:23:47.800 --> 0:23:51.240 body was placed on the racecourse side of the river, 0:23:52.040 --> 0:23:54.800 because that's a part of the river where you could 0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:59.879 access the water without getting in the mud. Now, there 0:24:00.160 --> 0:24:04.040 is something else that we can add from Witness x's statement, 0:24:04.640 --> 0:24:07.840 and that is that Amy Saunders, this is one of 0:24:07.880 --> 0:24:10.600 the women who committed and was convicted of the assault 0:24:10.840 --> 0:24:16.560 against Linda, was seen by Witness X to have genes 0:24:16.640 --> 0:24:19.480 on and that they were wet up to the knees. 0:24:19.960 --> 0:24:24.679 What we know from both visiting Tenuba House now and 0:24:24.760 --> 0:24:29.879 from expert testimony given for the prosecution at Kevin Henry's 0:24:29.920 --> 0:24:34.000 trial is that to access the river on the Tanuba 0:24:34.080 --> 0:24:38.560 House side, anybody who did that would have needed to 0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:41.199 get in the mud. And there was no suggestion that 0:24:41.440 --> 0:24:44.840 Amy Saunders jeans had mud on them. There is no 0:24:44.880 --> 0:24:48.360 suggestion that this red coat had any mud on them, 0:24:48.960 --> 0:24:53.000 but they did have water on them. And I think 0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:58.560 it's safe to assume that given Linda's body was placed 0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:01.679 in the water, and we know that for a fact 0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:04.840 that this is further evidence that it was done on 0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:08.560 the racecourse side of the river where somebody could access 0:25:09.000 --> 0:25:12.639 the water, could place a body in the river, would 0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:17.320 get their clothes wet, but wouldn't get muddy. And we 0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:21.320 know that Kevin Henry didn't have any water on him, 0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:26.119 didn't have any mud, and didn't have any forensic whether 0:25:26.200 --> 0:25:30.919 that be DNA, biological material, or any other kind of 0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:36.240 Linda's or Linda's clothing anywhere on him or on his clothing. 0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:40.480 And now we have people in possession of Linda's coat 0:25:40.720 --> 0:25:46.760 that's wet and also wearing jeans that are wet. Whether 0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:49.880 people want to take this evidence to the full extent 0:25:50.040 --> 0:25:54.640 that these individuals were involved or not. For now, we'll 0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:58.480 leave our listeners to determine that, but it's quite clear 0:25:58.960 --> 0:26:03.680 this punches another huge hole in the evidence against Kevin Henry. 0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:09.679 Once again, we've discovered new evidence, and once again it 0:26:09.720 --> 0:26:13.959 does not point to Kevin Henry. It points directly to others. 0:26:14.480 --> 0:26:17.160 And this is evidence that could have very easily been 0:26:17.160 --> 0:26:21.440 obtained by the police had they simply done their job. 0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:29.320 That was episode seventeen of Curtin the Podcast. Until next week. 0:26:30.240 --> 0:26:35.560 You can join us on Twitter at Curtain Podcast, on 0:26:35.680 --> 0:26:40.800 Facebook at Curtin the Podcast, and on our website at 0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:48.520 www dot curtinthepodcast dot com. 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