1
00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,240
Speaker 1: It's a special Will and Woody podcast Mini. Our next

2
00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:08,160
Speaker 1: guest is Ready Your Royalty, a TV and podcast host.

3
00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,880
Speaker 2: And an author. She's also a mom of twins and

4
00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:12,240
Speaker 2: when she's not raising.

5
00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,160
Speaker 1: Two people who look exactly the same, she's supporting her

6
00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,959
Speaker 1: but love it doggies, which is odd given how many

7
00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:19,000
Speaker 1: cats she's adopted.

8
00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,000
Speaker 2: You need to talk about her new books, CSI Told

9
00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,640
Speaker 2: You Lies and he signed once and for all.

10
00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:28,320
Speaker 1: What's better cats or jogs? It's Michelle Laurie.

11
00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,360
Speaker 3: Yes, Michelle Laurie, welcome. Hello.

12
00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,000
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, you made it's such a massive call before,

13
00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,680
Speaker 1: didn't you? What did you say? It's inarguably the biggest genre.

14
00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:38,680
Speaker 1: Suitz the Globe is.

15
00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,519
Speaker 3: The true crime. So brand new book. Michell Laurie's got

16
00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:43,480
Speaker 3: a bran new book. It's called cs I Told You Lies,

17
00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,400
Speaker 3: and yeah it is though, like my we're talking about

18
00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,080
Speaker 3: it before actually, because there's three other men in the

19
00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,640
Speaker 3: studios here, and all of us were talking about the

20
00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,720
Speaker 3: fact that our partners it's all they listen to. Yeah,

21
00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,240
Speaker 3: but my girlfriend and they just it's just crook like

22
00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,880
Speaker 3: she'll come from the gross podcast guy who just like

23
00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,760
Speaker 3: you know, killed twenty women and twenty it's just like,

24
00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,240
Speaker 3: why do you what's the obsession? What do you think that?

25
00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,240
Speaker 1: I think that I think there's a lot of things

26
00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,880
Speaker 1: to go with that. I think that we're doing research

27
00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,320
Speaker 1: because from the day we're born, we're told that we'll

28
00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,800
Speaker 1: probably be victims of Christ at some point if we

29
00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,000
Speaker 1: wear a certain thing and go a certain place, if

30
00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,160
Speaker 1: we go into a crowd alone, if we go into

31
00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,240
Speaker 1: an isolated place alone, and no matter where we go,

32
00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,680
Speaker 1: what we do, what we wear, what we say, if

33
00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,200
Speaker 1: we drink, if we don't drink, whatever it is, we're

34
00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,959
Speaker 1: doing something wrong and we're probably attracting trouble.

35
00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,759
Speaker 2: So there are lots so listening is like cautionary tales

36
00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:39,920
Speaker 2: for you. You're going like what not to do?

37
00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,160
Speaker 1: I think so, like this morning I spoke to Jackie

38
00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:47,280
Speaker 1: Oh and Kyle, he's this friend of hers. He's all right,

39
00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,320
Speaker 1: but she was saying, Michelle, what can I do? I

40
00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,760
Speaker 1: want a pepper spray but I think they're illegal, and

41
00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,600
Speaker 1: should I have a baseball bat? Like she's really at

42
00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,360
Speaker 1: that level of what can I do to protect myself?

43
00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,640
Speaker 1: And I was like, Babes, it's so actually unlikely that

44
00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,560
Speaker 1: you will be a victim of violent crime. But this

45
00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,120
Speaker 1: is the way we're raised really as girls to think

46
00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:08,640
Speaker 1: that it's.

47
00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,080
Speaker 2: You know, and you're naturally interested.

48
00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,320
Speaker 3: You're naturally interested or fascinated about what you're scared about. Yes,

49
00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:14,880
Speaker 3: that's a natural pairing that happened.

50
00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think that we do listen and read

51
00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,760
Speaker 1: and all of that sometimes to see how does it happen?

52
00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,640
Speaker 1: It is this lady miss that I could maybe not miss.

53
00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,320
Speaker 3: Yes, it is everywhere as well, Like this Doctor Death

54
00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,520
Speaker 3: show has just been made a massive show on Stone

55
00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,240
Speaker 3: with Alec Borwan, and that was a podcast previously. I mean,

56
00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:31,640
Speaker 3: like I feel like and there was that one with

57
00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,639
Speaker 3: Eric Banner who was That was a massive Netflix show

58
00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,480
Speaker 3: that was a podcast previously as well.

59
00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:45,839
Speaker 2: Scary that was Grim Crime. Yeah he was a sick guy.

60
00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:47,920
Speaker 2: He was a sick guy.

61
00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:52,280
Speaker 3: But there are also so just by the big ones

62
00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,560
Speaker 3: that are previously podcasts over in the US and now

63
00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,600
Speaker 3: TV shows, there are also lots of stuff that was

64
00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,520
Speaker 3: close to home for us. I remember when you were

65
00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,880
Speaker 3: to see Dick's and in Princess Parking, but I remember

66
00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,239
Speaker 3: you tweeting about that actually because I remember you writing

67
00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,840
Speaker 3: that you used to walk home through Prince's Park from

68
00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:09,880
Speaker 3: doing comedy gigs up in the health of Melbourne. It

69
00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,040
Speaker 3: was it where you literally used to walk.

70
00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,720
Speaker 1: Well. She was a young comedian, and so I thought,

71
00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,680
Speaker 1: I sort of felt guilty because I thought, when I

72
00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,399
Speaker 1: was her age, I did gigs seven nights a week,

73
00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,840
Speaker 1: walked home from them because I was broke, of course,

74
00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,840
Speaker 1: and you can't afford ubers or taxis or whatever when

75
00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,520
Speaker 1: you're a young comedian. And I thought, and here am

76
00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,799
Speaker 1: I now, twenty five years later or whatever. And I've

77
00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,959
Speaker 1: had every benefit there is of being a female comedian.

78
00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,120
Speaker 1: I'm living a great life. I've done radio and television.

79
00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,760
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here with you guys now, I've written books.

80
00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:44,280
Speaker 1: I've done everything that she should have been able to do. Yeah,

81
00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,880
Speaker 1: and she hasn't been able to And how come I

82
00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,800
Speaker 1: got to survive that and she didn't. And I felt

83
00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,640
Speaker 1: just all those feelings, and yeah, so that hit hard

84
00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:56,760
Speaker 1: in the way that she.

85
00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,640
Speaker 3: She features her story features in the book A little.

86
00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,440
Speaker 1: Bit does, and her dad helped me bit with that,

87
00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,160
Speaker 1: and her friends, some of her friends helped with that.

88
00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,920
Speaker 1: Everyone's there's permission from all the families who were involved

89
00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,280
Speaker 1: in this book, but also with her story.

90
00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,760
Speaker 3: The book specializes through giving the victims and the victims

91
00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,640
Speaker 3: families a voice, talking through forensic scientists and stuff going

92
00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:16,640
Speaker 3: through the cases.

93
00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,560
Speaker 1: Right, because they see that as their sort of gift

94
00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:24,279
Speaker 1: to our society as well, forensic pathologists as their way

95
00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,640
Speaker 1: of speaking for the victim, helping the victim have a

96
00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,680
Speaker 1: voice in court and being the last doctor for the victim.

97
00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,320
Speaker 1: But the thing about Uryticy and also I am Asawi

98
00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,640
Speaker 1: who was murdered not long afterwards and sort of similar

99
00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:39,240
Speaker 1: circumstances walking home at night, ran into a stranger. But

100
00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:44,200
Speaker 1: the offenders were of similar ages. I found that really interesting,

101
00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:49,760
Speaker 1: but born into very different circumstances, brought up in different circumstances.

102
00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,480
Speaker 1: So oftentimes I think we find that offenders have been

103
00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,800
Speaker 1: victimized in their lives, and that's something that we as

104
00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,120
Speaker 1: a culture I think should.

105
00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,360
Speaker 3: Look at and doesn't justify what they what they've done,

106
00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,760
Speaker 3: but never it can certainly psychologically explain the action.

107
00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,479
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's something we should and we should

108
00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,600
Speaker 1: look at and think about how we can reduce violent

109
00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,240
Speaker 1: crime in our community.

110
00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,839
Speaker 3: Change it from the glass roots. Yeah, and that's often

111
00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:18,640
Speaker 3: the thing that comes up. You've got so much more

112
00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:19,880
Speaker 3: to talk about this, We're going to talk about more

113
00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:21,960
Speaker 3: with Michell Laurie. Right up next, CSI Told You Lies

114
00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,719
Speaker 3: is Michelle Laurie's brand new book, Get it wherever you

115
00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:26,480
Speaker 3: get your books. We're going to talk about what she's

116
00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,800
Speaker 3: got MH seventeen, which is the one I'm most interested

117
00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,600
Speaker 3: talking about more. Right up next, Michelle Laurie's at the City.

118
00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,600
Speaker 3: I just got a brand new book. CSI Told You

119
00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:40,160
Speaker 3: Lies had a great theme song, though didn't different.

120
00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't mind it. But when I was talking

121
00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,680
Speaker 1: to the forensic pathologists, every single one of them, at

122
00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,640
Speaker 1: some point we'd go not like, CSI is it I'm

123
00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:54,719
Speaker 1: gonna go relaxed chief. Yeah, like I never said it was,

124
00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,000
Speaker 1: but I realized, God, they hate that show.

125
00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, is it really that different? Though? Now just us,

126
00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,640
Speaker 2: you know, in the studio we're away from the forensic scientists.

127
00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:07,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, like there's no leather jackets. Okay, they're not having affairs,

128
00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,080
Speaker 1: but I could see like not during autopsies like they

129
00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:17,720
Speaker 1: do on the show. He's like, what episode is that?

130
00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,039
Speaker 1: But no, it is different because on CSI they made

131
00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,480
Speaker 1: up a lot of like fully made up procedures and

132
00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,960
Speaker 1: that that don't exist. That annoys the real guys.

133
00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,760
Speaker 3: That always annoyed me in the show as well, because

134
00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,360
Speaker 3: you know, there's no actual detective work being done. They

135
00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,279
Speaker 3: just invent some sort of sort of science that didn't exist, right,

136
00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,240
Speaker 3: and then they'd be like, oh, that's cracked the whole case. WI.

137
00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,680
Speaker 1: And the problem is it's created this thing called the

138
00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:47,039
Speaker 1: CSI effect where people are on juries now and they're

139
00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,240
Speaker 1: sitting there and the real guys are giving evidence, and

140
00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,520
Speaker 1: people like us on the juries go, oh god, this

141
00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,680
Speaker 1: guy is not very good at his job. He can't

142
00:06:55,720 --> 00:07:01,719
Speaker 1: even read the maggots, know how embarrassing on the tree.

143
00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,640
Speaker 1: This guy doesn't know exactly what time she died. Guys,

144
00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,000
Speaker 1: we should not listen to him. We should make up

145
00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,080
Speaker 1: our own minds. That's a real thing.

146
00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,440
Speaker 3: So everyone becomes everyone becomes a cop, and we've all

147
00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,760
Speaker 3: got a standard as to what we expect of forensic pathology, and.

148
00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,920
Speaker 1: So juries are making up their own minds about forensic evidence.

149
00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,120
Speaker 2: Wow, I know she given you know, all about this

150
00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,000
Speaker 2: forensic science and stuff.

151
00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,080
Speaker 1: I'm allowed to make up my mind obviously, because I

152
00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:27,760
Speaker 1: know he's.

153
00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:28,600
Speaker 2: Written a book about course.

154
00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can read the maggots if you're

155
00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:32,880
Speaker 1: with it.

156
00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,120
Speaker 2: My question to you, though, because you know their processes

157
00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,720
Speaker 2: and stuff. Do you think you could get away with

158
00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:38,280
Speaker 2: murder now?

159
00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:44,200
Speaker 1: No? I read once that this great thing. I believe it.

160
00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,120
Speaker 1: You can. You can't plan the perfect murder. You can

161
00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:52,040
Speaker 1: accidentally commit a perfect murder. What well, it's such a

162
00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,040
Speaker 1: great face. I respect that face.

163
00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,400
Speaker 2: Have stumble into it. Don't plan it.

164
00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,000
Speaker 1: I reckon, I'd overplan. I'd be one of those.

165
00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,160
Speaker 2: Googled, you know, how to the gloves.

166
00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,200
Speaker 1: Down overgot you know.

167
00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,040
Speaker 3: Change your hair color quickly.

168
00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,000
Speaker 2: Yes, that happened recently. There was a woman who got done.

169
00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,600
Speaker 2: She got that we referring to she googled how to

170
00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,640
Speaker 2: poison something? Yeah, something, and the police were like, we've

171
00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:17,960
Speaker 2: got you.

172
00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, we just and like, how to wipe your search

173
00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:27,360
Speaker 1: history after you've googled how to poison your husband? Yeah, yeah,

174
00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:29,920
Speaker 1: something like that. I would do that.

175
00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,680
Speaker 3: So the cases that you're covering off in I Told

176
00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,560
Speaker 3: You Lies, which is Michelleo's new book. Is the other one,

177
00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,360
Speaker 3: which is, you know a little bit different from these

178
00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:43,439
Speaker 3: instances of homicide, is MH seventeen.

179
00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,240
Speaker 1: Yes, because that's the other part of their work. So

180
00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,920
Speaker 1: there's the homicide side of things. There's accidental deaths that

181
00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,800
Speaker 1: they have to do, you know, autopsies, lots of different

182
00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:56,120
Speaker 1: reasons why, but also there's victim identification after disasters.

183
00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,280
Speaker 3: So can you answer question, because you know, when you

184
00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,000
Speaker 3: go on a plane. I feel like this is an

185
00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,319
Speaker 3: an urban legend that we've all heard. The bravest position

186
00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,960
Speaker 3: is only the brace position to protect your dentures so

187
00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,480
Speaker 3: they can identify I'd have to I'll have to ask,

188
00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,320
Speaker 3: I've got that wrong, where you have to stay in

189
00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:14,840
Speaker 3: your seat so they can identify you.

190
00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,960
Speaker 1: With the that's not okay, that's not true.

191
00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:22,400
Speaker 3: That's just in his seat. That's double on the food.

192
00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,679
Speaker 1: But he did tell me something really sort of disturbing

193
00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,280
Speaker 1: and frankly annoying for him. Doctor Richard Bassett. He's the

194
00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:35,400
Speaker 1: odontologist and ontologist. He's a man who identifies people by

195
00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,520
Speaker 1: our dentistry. As he says, when they call me in,

196
00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:39,920
Speaker 1: it's because there's not much else.

197
00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,040
Speaker 3: Oh wow, what a grim job.

198
00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,640
Speaker 1: But it's actually really sexy why, I don't know. I

199
00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,400
Speaker 1: don't know how that works out. But anyway, when he sey, yeah,

200
00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:54,400
Speaker 1: he is, he's not dead. He is anyway. You know,

201
00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,679
Speaker 1: he's good, he's got everything, he's got everything still going

202
00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,240
Speaker 1: for him. But he was that after the tsunami, the

203
00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:05,480
Speaker 1: Boxing Day tsunami. But the tradition in Thailand where he

204
00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,480
Speaker 1: went to work and identify victims is to take dead

205
00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:13,520
Speaker 1: bodies to the temple immediately, which was really irritating because

206
00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people died in their hotel rooms and

207
00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,480
Speaker 1: so he could they could have identified people quite a

208
00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:25,640
Speaker 1: bit faster. Yeah right, but instead they went quickly get

209
00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,480
Speaker 1: them out of there. Why don't we take them them

210
00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:32,080
Speaker 1: all together in the temple with no identification?

211
00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,240
Speaker 2: At least Sexy Tooth guys got a job there though, Yeah,

212
00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:37,119
Speaker 2: free Barley.

213
00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,520
Speaker 1: Sexy doctor Teeth was then. Yeah, Thailand for.

214
00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:46,160
Speaker 2: I won't go back.

215
00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,079
Speaker 1: It's been a long day. Stop talking.

216
00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:03,079
Speaker 3: He's see, as I told you, lies giving victims a

217
00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,720
Speaker 3: voice through friends. It sounds bloody fascinating with that afflict.

218
00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:08,440
Speaker 3: It looks like a mountain for search as well. Makes

219
00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:09,160
Speaker 3: a congratulations.

220
00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,520
Speaker 1: It's a lot more serious than this conversation mean. And

221
00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,439
Speaker 1: I want to make that very clear. At no point

222
00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,080
Speaker 1: do I refer to any professionals as sexy doctor Teeth,

223
00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:18,440
Speaker 1: And I want to make that very clear.

224
00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,720
Speaker 2: But is he in the photo part in the middle

225
00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:21,920
Speaker 2: here as as hell?

226
00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:30,520
Speaker 3: Oh my god, is that we might need to do

227
00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,040
Speaker 3: this bit off fair guys Enjoy Enjoy the Woods and

228
00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,120
Speaker 3: Woods and Michelle conflict for the book to Find the

229
00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:42,760
Speaker 3: Sexy Tenser Doctor. More of the boys on the Full

230
00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,280
Speaker 3: Show podcast You Know you want to