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Speaker 1: Jery and Amanda Jamn, I beg.

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Speaker 2: Your parent is fraud and I was just thinking about

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Speaker 2: Elena Dokic. Demir has passed away and at the age

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Speaker 2: of sixty seven, and they went on speaking terms. He

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Speaker 2: left the country, went away. I don't speak ill of

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Speaker 2: the dead, but you know, but how conflicting it is

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Speaker 2: Father of the Year awards.

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Speaker 3: No, it's not. And she's written about her struggle with

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Speaker 3: the emotional and physical abuse she copped his at his side,

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Speaker 3: And as she said here, it's never easy losing a

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Speaker 3: parent and a father, even if you're estranged from them.

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Speaker 3: The loss of an a strange parent comes with a

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Speaker 3: difficult and complicated grief. So whether you see them as

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Speaker 3: your traditional appropriate guardian or not, there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: mixed emotions she'll be feeling right now, as she says.

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Speaker 2: And we spoke to her only just the last year

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Speaker 2: with her book, and I asked, did she actually receive

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Speaker 2: an apology from Demir? Have you ever had an apology

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Speaker 2: from your father?

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Speaker 1: No, I haven't. I haven't. I've tried to reconcile with

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Speaker 1: him at one stage, years and years ago, but it's

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Speaker 1: not possible, I think ultimately, no matter what you go

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Speaker 1: through I think with your family or your parents, you

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Speaker 1: kind of feel like maybe you can get to a

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Speaker 1: stage where things can change and you can have a relationship.

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Speaker 1: But no, I don't. I think when someone isn't even

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Speaker 1: able to say sorry, or when they actually think that

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Speaker 1: they did everything right and in fact, in his words,

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Speaker 1: he will do it all over again, that's where you

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Speaker 1: draw the line. Especially as you get older, you need

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Speaker 1: to get that toxicity out of your life.

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Speaker 2: She's a very impressive woman, Elena.

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Speaker 3: Docky, absolutely, and she's been so vulnerable and so open

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Speaker 3: in talking about her relationship with him, and the post

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Speaker 3: she did yesterday about him passing was no different.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very from her perspective. It's about letting go.

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Speaker 2: When you're a parent, you know you don't have all

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Speaker 2: the answers.

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Speaker 3: We assume that parents have the children's best interest at heart.

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Speaker 3: Don't victor here. That's not always the case.