WEBVTT - Ashy Bines' Million Dollar Pay Day & The Row Over A Caramel Slice 0:00:02.040 --> 0:00:05.200 Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:08.800 hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:12.560 Kate Torbert and coming up on today's show, Sammy Robinson 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:15.840 is the latest influencer to secure her dream home and 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:20.040 the food talk recipe row but First. Almost a year 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:23.120 after the short closure of her active wear brand, Ashi 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:25.960 Biens has revealed the eye watering amount she made of 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:29.760 her collections first Drop. So if the admission came during 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:32.479 a recent podcast episode, this isn't the first time that 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:35.640 we are speaking about content from one of ashe Byn's podcasts, 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:37.920 and I don't think that it's a coincidence at all. 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:41.200 I really think that her podcast has taken a new 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:44.320 direction since it's changed its name and also co host. 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:47.080 The show is now being produced by Nova, and I 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:50.560 wouldn't be surprised if they've seen the success that Listener 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:52.840 has had with the Kickpod and they've gone we need 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:55.960 to replicate that, because as soon as Steph Leesmith and 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:59.400 Laura Henshaw started opening up about their sex lives and 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:03.080 their business secrets, their podcast went flying up the charts. 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:05.800 And I think that a lot of those outlandish stories 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:09.240 are getting attention because they're then featured on news websites 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:11.600 and that leads to more people discovering the podcast and 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:14.920 hitting download. And I think for Ashy and her new 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:18.360 co host Tiana, they thought, let's replicate that we need 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:21.039 to start opening up, and that sort of shock value 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:23.039 seems to have been brought into their podcast, and I 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:26.200 think it also attracts a lot of hate listening because personally, 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.240 I'm not that interested in hearing Ashi Bynes talking about 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:33.360 manifestation and self improvement, but I do want to hear 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:35.720 the juicy details about how much her business makes. I 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:38.160 think a lot of influencers thought that they were the 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:41.280 draw cards themselves, so they could just talk about any 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:44.760 issue or concept that interests them. So for ashe, obviously 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:46.959 she is interested in a bit of that woo woo stuff. 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:49.480 But then I think they quickly realized, hey, we actually 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:51.640 need to divulge a bit about our personal lives. I 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:55.120 mean it turned into influences just answering people's dilemmas and 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:58.760 not really giving any information about themselves. Well, in this episode, 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:00.560 they did do what a lot of inflo luancers do 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:02.840 and they put up a question box for their audience, 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:06.000 but they asked their audience to send in burning questions 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:10.280 that they think that Ashi and Tiana would generally avoid answering, 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:13.000 and they really didn't waste time getting into it with 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:17.079 Ash's starting the show by answering what is the easiest. 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:19.120 Cash she's ever made. Let's have a listen to what she. 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:25.000 Said, influence work, for sure, Although when I first launched anything, 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:27.520 the first launch is always the biggest. So when I 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:29.680 first launched active where it was over a million dollars 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:31.519 and twenty four hours, when I first launched my app, 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:34.320 it was the same thing. But I feel influencer work 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:37.000 is the easiest work that you could do. Like, when 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:40.280 influencers say they've got a hard job, I'm like, they don't. 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.080 It's like, yes, it takes you've got to be creative 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:44.720 and you've got to be on Like, for sure, it 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:47.519 still takes brain power, but it's very easy to promote 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:49.880 a product that you genuinely love. Yeah, so I'd say 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:51.360 that would be pretty easy. 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:54.040 At least she's got the self awareness to say that 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:57.640 influencing isn't a difficult job. It's interesting how she phrased 0:02:57.639 --> 0:02:59.760 it though, saying, oh, when influencers say they've got a 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:02.440 hard job as if she isn't in that space herself. 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:05.400 Yeah, she seemed to want to distance herself from influencers. 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:08.079 She is known as being an OG influencer, but I 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:11.000 suppose she's made her career a lot broader because she 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:13.560 owned so many different businesses. I think that that's what 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:17.240 she was trying to establish. Can you imagine, though, making 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:21.080 one million dollars in just one day would be pretty nice? 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:23.040 I mean I've always been so curious to know how 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:25.960 much influencers actually make when they launched their own product, 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:28.960 or even when they launched something through an existing brand. 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:31.040 And I feel like a few years ago, we'd always 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:32.919 see influencers. 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:35.120 Filming their launch, so you'd see them and you'd see 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:37.640 how many people are on the website, but you'd never 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:40.600 actually be told how much they'd make. You always just 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:41.800 assumed it was a fuck ton. 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:43.920 Yeah, I mean, there's always been question marks about how 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:47.720 much stock influencers actually released to achieve a sellout. I mean, 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:49.880 I remember back in the day when Kylie Jenner used 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:51.640 to put her lip kits on sale and it was 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:55.280 like sold out within thirty seconds, and everyone's like, but 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:58.200 how many were there? Well, clearly, as she sold a 0:03:58.240 --> 0:03:59.800 hell of a lot of active where to make a 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:02.320 million dollars in twenty four hours, and she backed it 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:04.800 up when she also launched her app, so she also 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:07.720 made a subsequent one million dollars in twenty four hours, 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:11.880 which really shows how huge her influence was at the time. Yeah, 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:14.760 it appears that influence has waned, though, considering she shut 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:17.440 down her active wear collection, I was curious to see 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:20.080 when she actually launched her active wear line and whether 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:21.960 it was when she was at the height of her fame. 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:23.279 I would have said she was at the height of 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:25.760 her fame in twenty seventeen, but I was surprised to 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:28.880 see she only launched this active wear brand baseline in 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:29.679 twenty twenty. 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.080 The thing is, though I vividly. 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:35.960 Remember buying a pair of Coalbalt Blue legans from her 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:39.240 did You in twenty seventeen, so she must have also 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:42.680 just had random active wear on her website and it 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:45.919 wasn't through the actual brand baseline. I didn't have you 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:47.800 done as an Ashy Baynes fan back in the day. 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:50.600 I'm I am not an Ashy Baynes fan. I had 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:53.479 just happened to follow her and I Cobalt Blue is 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:55.200 one of my favorite colors. I feel like it looks 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:57.440 really good on blondes, and I'm like, I have to 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:00.279 have those legans. I didn't feel they were the best 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:02.240 quality though. I think I wore them once and that 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:02.960 was it. 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:03.520 It seems like. 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:05.680 Ashi Byinnes is a money making machine when it comes 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:08.200 to social media, because she divulged that the most she's 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:11.320 been paid for a single social media post is fifteen 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:15.000 thousand dollars, and she said the average she would get would. 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.760 Be around ten grand a post. That is absolutely wild. 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:19.600 For some reason, all I can think about in this 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:22.520 moment is if she was making so much money, why 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:22.960 didn't she. 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:26.359 Invest in a nice Christmas tree? OJ listeners will know that. 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:27.960 I think it was a couple of years ago she 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:31.320 shared this toilet brush looking Christmas tree and it had 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:32.839 the saddest looking tinsel. 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:34.920 I've ever seen. It still haunts me to this day. 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:38.279 Well, that's just a bousome Hill sponsorship deal waiting to happen, 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:40.000 isn't it. But why does she just pay for her 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:42.120 own She's making ten k off all these posts, well 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:45.640 fifteen k. Evidently people have different priorities except but she 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.640 was also talking about like gifting this tree to someone else. 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:51.200 But that's just one of the stories of ashi Bynes 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:54.359 that really sticks with me. Well, the confessions didn't stop 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:56.560 there for Ashiy Bynes, because she also revealed on her 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:59.480 podcast that when she was eighteen, she used to make 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.320 ten to twenty grand a week working as a quote 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:03.320 skimpy barmaid. 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:04.479 Yeah. This surprised me. 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:06.600 She said that she used to carry around a lot 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:09.200 of shame about this job and she was embarrassed to 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:11.440 open up about it until now. And she said it 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:13.240 was during a time in her life when she'd just 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:15.680 broken up with her boyfriend and she spent six months 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:18.400 in wa making serious bank. 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:19.760 Here's some of what she said. 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:21.760 The man over there just tipped like crazy. 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:22.000 Yeah. 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:24.839 I was never a topless waiter yeah, or topless bar girl. 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:26.800 There was the pub that I worked out, and then 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:28.680 there was one next to it with the topless girls 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:30.479 were I never did that. I just didn't have the 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:32.800 confidence too. But yeah, it was fun. It was a 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:35.320 cool time in my life. Fun different be at at 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:38.919 home and make bank, make bank. Yeah, and it's the holidays. 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:40.880 Took my friends on holidays, paid off some bills. 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:43.600 I sensed that she wanted to make it really clear 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:47.599 that she wasn't actually a topless waiter. I feel like 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:49.919 she knew that the media would quickly run with that 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:52.200 as a headline, and I think she was trying to 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:55.280 separate herself from other women working in the industry, which 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:58.520 it almost felt a bit uncomfortable to listen to. Yeah, 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:00.599 particularly when she made such a big that when she 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:02.520 was working as a bar maide, she actually wore more 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:05.960 clothes than other girls working at nightclubs. Yeah, she referenced 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:08.520 Bedroom nightclub, which again I'm not from the Gold Coast. 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:10.680 I wonder if some of our listeners have some memories 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:12.800 of that nightclub. But she said a lot of the 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:15.720 women there would get around in lingerie and just underwear. 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:17.840 But again, I felt like. 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:19.680 It was just weird to be like, no, no, no, 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:21.720 but I didn't do that, Like I wasn't doing that. 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:24.360 And she would say, oh, and I built a good 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:26.840 rapport with the men working there. We were more mates 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.760 than anything else. I mean, again, I suppose she did 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:32.120 reference that she felt shame around the role, so maybe 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:35.120 she was carrying that a bit into the segment. Yeah, 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:37.440 it does sound like that now, as she did speak 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:40.080 about how dangerous this job was so She said that 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.840 she was in a really lucky position because she had 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:45.880 male friends who would drop her to and from work. However, 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.680 her coworkers weren't as lucky. They had to hang out 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:51.080 at the bar or walk home alone. 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:52.480 That's really scary, isn't it. 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:55.880 I love this detail of the story though, because, as 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:57.720 she said, as part of her job she had to 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.480 go by a different name. So the name she got 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:02.840 given was Pam. And she said, every now and then, 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:05.400 when she puts up a Q and a box, someone 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:07.800 will come out of the woodwork and say, how are 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:10.600 you going, Pam Oh, And she said she just can't 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:12.840 hide from it, which is maybe why she's decided to 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:14.800 open it up about it in her own terms. I 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:16.680 wonder if she was worried that someone would go to the. 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:17.600 Media about it. 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:19.920 Yeah, it seems like maybe someone was threatening to leak 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:21.640 this to the media, not that it's even a very 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:24.800 big deal at all. I was just thinking the whole time, Oh, okay, 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:27.000 so this is like the only fans of them. I 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:29.960 also potentially think that as she felt like now was 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:31.880 a good time to open up about it, because we've 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:33.079 really evolved as a society. 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:33.679 I don't think that. 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.160 There would have been nearly as much judgment about this 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:38.160 story as there would have been five ten years ago. 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:39.720 Now it was only a couple of weeks ago so 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:42.480 that we were talking about how Ashi Bynes had launched 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:46.079 her fragrances into New Zealand and essentially offended the whole 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:50.240 country by saying they smelt so last week her brand 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:54.840 Hideaway launched a new campaign and this time they released 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:56.760 an all natural coconut loop. 0:08:57.679 --> 0:08:59.200 Well we've just launched something new. 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:00.600 So what is it, exactly? 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.520 You're asking? Well, is natural lubricant? 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:04.000 Why? 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:06.760 Because I could not find any in Australia that was clean, 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:09.920 smell good, actually worked and didn't cost me an arm 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:11.920 in a leg, I was paying over one hundred dollars 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:13.960 to order one from the USA because there was nothing 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:17.120 here in Australia. I also heard some absolute horror stories 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:20.319 where other lubricants that were not natural and clean caused irritation, 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:26.199 reactions and burning no thank you. So after quickly realizing 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:28.520 I wasn't alone and wanting a nice natural product to 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:31.080 use in the bedroom, I said to Steve, let's create 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:34.040 it and we did the one hundred percent natural it's 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:39.760 coconut based, no paraban Oasilicon, No nasties under forty dollars 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:41.959 for a tube of one hundred and fifty mils, keep 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:46.360 packaging easier to order online, so no more awkward supermarket checkout. 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:49.680 Tell me you're an influencer without telling me you're an influencer. 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:51.720 A one hundred dollars on a bottle of loop? 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:52.480 What is it going on? 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:54.560 Because you've on this cost of living crisis? I mean, 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:56.640 have I been living under a rock? Or is that extreme? 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:59.920 Like I've never heard anyone spending one hundred dollars on 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:04.000 I get that she's saying it's all natural and it's fancy. 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:04.040 Et cetera. 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:06.760 But most people just going down to Woolies and buying 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:08.120 the ten dollars sheet off the aisle. 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:08.920 I mean, that's the thing. 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:10.840 I suppose it's quite a personal thing that people don't 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:14.720 generally talk about. So this story actually does remind me 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:16.920 of a guy that one of our friends was dating. 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:19.600 And I don't want to give too many details because 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:21.800 I don't want to get in trouble, but he definitely 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:25.480 wasn't dropping one hundred dollars on Loube because he liked 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:29.360 to keep a jar of coconut oil next to his bed, 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:30.640 so on his bedside table. 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:33.880 He was keeping it natural and he would spoon a 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:35.840 little bit out and use it instead. 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:37.760 Look, I don't know if she'd be putting that out there, 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:40.280 because I don't know if that's particularly a safe method. 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:43.000 I'm not suggesting that anyone should be doing this. That's 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:45.640 horribly in my mind. Can you imagine the ick of 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:47.839 hearing the jar being unscrewed and the. 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:51.240 Screening of the spoon. Maybe he should just invest in 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:52.800 one hundred dollars as she buys lube. 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:55.319 I mean, whenever I'm cooking with coconut oil, it's really 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:57.439 actually hard to get out of the container, like sometimes 0:10:57.480 --> 0:10:58.960 you need a warm spoon, or. 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:01.720 Because it's hard. The coconut oil is usually hard. 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:04.560 I remember in my early twenties hearing a story about 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:07.200 a guy who used to refuse to buy lu because 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:08.920 he didn't want to invest in it, so he would 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.520 use olive oil. Oh my god, SOAVI, are you're giving 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:13.959 some horror stories away. I feel like this is very 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:16.640 low brow for our podcast. Maybe this is why there's 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:19.120 some good natural products on the market now, because there's 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:22.439 so many people who had bad experiences with olive oil. 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:23.320 And coconut oil. 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:25.120 I don't think they're doing it for the natural reasons. 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:26.400 It sounds like laziness to me. 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:27.240 No, what I'm. 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:30.679 Saying that now, there's probably women who were like demanding 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:35.599 all natural products because they've had some negative reaction or 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:38.000 irritation to stuff that they shouldn't be using. 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:39.920 Maybe Ashy Biens is doing God's work. 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:42.559 Here are outside Brookies bakehouse. 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.319 It is just opening this morning. We're working on. 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:49.400 This story today regarding the allegations of plagiarism against a 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:52.720 Brookie made by Nagi from recipe Tin to Eat. Two 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:55.920 of Australia's most popular food creators are engaged in a 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:59.800 plagiarism row over dessert recipes. Nagi Mahashi has a q 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:03.400 Brooke Bellamy of plagiarizing two of her recipes in her 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:06.920 best selling cookbook Bait with Brookie. Brooke denies the claim, 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:08.400 saying all the recipes in. 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:09.880 Her cookbook are her own. 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:11.800 Okay, before we get into it, can you get us 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:14.520 up to speed with the main players of this story. Yeah, 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:17.760 So this story is massive because these two food creators 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:21.040 are big deals in the Australian food industry. You've got Nagi, 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:25.000 who is one of Australia's most beloved and influential home cooks. 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:28.280 She is the founder of highly successful food blog recipe 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:30.839 tin Eats. I'm a regular visitor to the blog. 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:31.640 Nearly all of. 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:34.200 My good recipes come from Nagi, and I think what 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:37.040 really sets her recipes apart is that they're easy enough 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:39.480 to cook on a weeknight, but they taste amazing and 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:42.560 they're pretty cost effective. I'm just obsessed with her dog, Dozer. 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:45.520 He's a senior Golden Retriever. He is adorable, He's got 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:48.520 the cutest white face. He's had a couple of health problems, 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:50.960 and it's really him who's won me over. 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:53.440 They're such a sweet duo together. 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:56.000 Every one of her Instagram stories that features Dozer I 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:59.280 put a little love on on now. Her story is 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:01.680 a really an vpirational one too, because she gave up 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:04.840 her job in corporate finance in twenty fourteen to pursue 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:08.000 her passion with food, and since then her blog has 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:11.920 amassed over five hundred million views. She's attracted almost two 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:15.720 million social media followers and released two best selling cookbooks. 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:19.120 To top it off, In twenty twenty, Nagi founded a 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:22.120 not for profit food bank called recipe Tin Meals that 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:25.760 donates nearly one hundred thousand meals to vulnerable people in Sydney. 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:27.079 So she is an incredible woman. 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:27.440 Yeah. 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:31.120 As for brook Bellamy, she launched Brookies Bakehouse in Brisbane 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:34.520 in twenty twenty two and the bakery was an instant 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:38.320 success thanks to her massive presence on TikTok. So she 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:42.360 has two million TikTok followers and one million on Instagram 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.840 and most days there is a massive lineup just to 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:47.000 get into her bakery. 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:49.800 And it got to the point where brook began having. 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:53.040 To ship cookies and cakes Australia wide and even internationally 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:56.440 because the demand was so huge. She's even opened up 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:59.480 pop up stores in Abu Dhabi and also Dubai. And 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:02.520 in October last year she published a cookbook called Bake 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:06.520 with Brookie and it has been incredibly successful up until 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:09.600 this point. She sold over ninety two thousand copies and 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:13.120 she has generated a predicted four point six million dollars 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:16.400 in sales. Now we need to talk about the allegations. 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:19.440 So on Tuesday, Nagi announced on her website that she 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:24.000 had made copyright infringement allegations against Penguin Random House Australia. 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:27.320 She wrote, this is a story about a multimillion dollar 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:30.840 cookbook by a social media influencer, published by a blue 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:35.320 chip publisher, featuring numerous recipes that, in my opinion, are plagiarized. 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.880 Given the detailed and extensive word for words similarities to 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:42.240 mine and those of other authors. To me, the similarities 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:44.960 between the recipes in question are far too specific in 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:49.000 detailed to be dismissed as coincidence. Penguin has denied the allegations. 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:51.840 I have received no response from book Bellamy, the author. 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:55.480 Now the recipes in question are a caramel slice and 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.680 a buck LeVar Nagi went on to share screenshots of 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:01.600 the recipes side by to show the similarities. 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:02.480 Now. 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:05.960 Within hours, Brook responded to the allegations, denying that she 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:09.960 plagiarized any recipes in her cookbook. She claimed that she'd 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:14.200 been selling caramel slices commercially since twenty sixteen. She wrote, 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:17.600 on March twenty twenty, recipe tin Eats published a recipe 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:21.320 for caramel slice. It uses the same ingredients as my recipe, 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:24.600 which I have been making and selling since four years prior. 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:26.440 Now as a form of a receipt. 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.280 She shared a photo of her pastry case in the 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:32.560 bakery and circled the caramel slice on a plate. Now, 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:36.200 I don't quite understand how the photo proves she used 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:39.600 a particular recipe. God, does anyone else feel like caramel slice? Though? 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:43.640 Just like I feel like I've gotta try this recipe out. 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.720 I mean. Brookie also claimed that she offered to remove 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:50.400 both the caramel slice and Bucclovar recipe from future prints 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:53.880 of her book to prevent further aggravation. Now, another popular 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:56.520 baking identity has come out of the woodwork to also 0:15:56.560 --> 0:16:00.400 make claims against brook So. Sally McKenny from Sally's Baking 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:04.400 Addiction in the US alleged that Brooks vanilla cake recipe 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:09.560 also closely resembles her own. Nagi also has since accused 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:13.600 brook of copying the late Bill Granger's Portuguese tart recipe. Again, 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:16.160 this segment is making me very hungry. But I want 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:17.800 to pose the big question to you, because this is 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:20.160 what I've been thinking about all week in terms of 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:24.520 this story. Is it possible to plagiarize a recipe? Because 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:27.880 it's a really interesting discussion. Where is the line between 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:31.960 inspiration and plagiarism, particularly when it comes to baking sweet 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:35.040 goods because there's such a formula you need to follow. 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:37.960 It's not like a savory recipe where you can chuck 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:39.240 in a bit of this and a bit of that 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:41.120 and it'll work out. Yeah. And I think there was 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:44.960 a lot of confusion, particularly because everyone was focused on 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:48.000 the caramel slice recipe, and a caramel slice is a 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:51.080 very traditional recipe. There's not a lot of different ways 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:53.280 you can make it, so a lot of people don't 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:57.280 understand how a recipe for caramel slice can be copied. 0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:59.560 Yeah, because it's a very basic recipe, isn't it. Yeah. 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:02.440 And the thing is those people clearly don't follow Nagi 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:06.280 on social media because she often shares the long process 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:08.840 that she goes to develop a recipe. And yes, a 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:12.960 caramel slice recipe doesn't differ much, but you can perfect 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:15.320 it and you can test different ratios out and that's 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:18.040 what she does. So she's not saying that she invented 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:21.600 the recipe, but she's saying that she's extensively tested different 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:24.480 versions until she's come up with one that's worked best 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:24.920 for her. 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:26.120 It's definitely very. 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:28.520 Complex, and I think unless you're a chef and know 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.200 what goes into developing a recipe, you probably don't fully 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:34.840 understand it. Legal experts have weighed in saying that yes, 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:39.040 it is possible to plagiarize a recipe, but recipe copyright 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:40.760 cases are very complex. 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:43.080 So you can't copyright the concept of. 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:47.120 Say a caramel slice, but once you've written down that recipe, 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:49.719 that becomes a copyright literary work. 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:50.080 Yeah. 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:54.240 So, in Australia, copyright law protects the unique expression of 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:59.080 a recipe, which means the specific wording, instructions, and presentation. However, 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:02.720 the underlying list of ingredients or general method is not 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:07.479 protected by law. Therefore, copying the exact text or unique 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:12.200 elements of a recipe without permission can constitute copyright infringement. 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:12.840 We reckon. 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:15.440 That's why sometimes we see recipes where people have thrown 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:15.920