1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: Kate Torbert and coming up on today's show, Sammy Robinson 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: is the latest influencer to secure her dream home and 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: the food talk recipe row but First. Almost a year 6 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: after the short closure of her active wear brand, Ashi 7 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: Biens has revealed the eye watering amount she made of 8 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: her collections first Drop. So if the admission came during 9 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: a recent podcast episode, this isn't the first time that 10 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: we are speaking about content from one of ashe Byn's podcasts, 11 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: and I don't think that it's a coincidence at all. 12 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: I really think that her podcast has taken a new 13 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: direction since it's changed its name and also co host. 14 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: The show is now being produced by Nova, and I 15 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if they've seen the success that Listener 16 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: has had with the Kickpod and they've gone we need 17 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: to replicate that, because as soon as Steph Leesmith and 18 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: Laura Henshaw started opening up about their sex lives and 19 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: their business secrets, their podcast went flying up the charts. 20 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: And I think that a lot of those outlandish stories 21 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: are getting attention because they're then featured on news websites 22 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: and that leads to more people discovering the podcast and 23 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: hitting download. And I think for Ashy and her new 24 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: co host Tiana, they thought, let's replicate that we need 25 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: to start opening up, and that sort of shock value 26 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: seems to have been brought into their podcast, and I 27 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: think it also attracts a lot of hate listening because personally, 28 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: I'm not that interested in hearing Ashi Bynes talking about 29 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: manifestation and self improvement, but I do want to hear 30 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: the juicy details about how much her business makes. I 31 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: think a lot of influencers thought that they were the 32 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: draw cards themselves, so they could just talk about any 33 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: issue or concept that interests them. So for ashe, obviously 34 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: she is interested in a bit of that woo woo stuff. 35 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: But then I think they quickly realized, hey, we actually 36 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: need to divulge a bit about our personal lives. I 37 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: mean it turned into influences just answering people's dilemmas and 38 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: not really giving any information about themselves. Well, in this episode, 39 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: they did do what a lot of inflo luancers do 40 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: and they put up a question box for their audience, 41 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: but they asked their audience to send in burning questions 42 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: that they think that Ashi and Tiana would generally avoid answering, 43 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: and they really didn't waste time getting into it with 44 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: Ash's starting the show by answering what is the easiest. 45 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 2: Cash she's ever made. Let's have a listen to what she. 46 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 3: Said, influence work, for sure, Although when I first launched anything, 47 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 3: the first launch is always the biggest. So when I 48 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 3: first launched active where it was over a million dollars 49 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 3: and twenty four hours, when I first launched my app, 50 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 3: it was the same thing. But I feel influencer work 51 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 3: is the easiest work that you could do. Like, when 52 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 3: influencers say they've got a hard job, I'm like, they don't. 53 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 3: It's like, yes, it takes you've got to be creative 54 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 3: and you've got to be on Like, for sure, it 55 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 3: still takes brain power, but it's very easy to promote 56 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 3: a product that you genuinely love. Yeah, so I'd say 57 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 3: that would be pretty easy. 58 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: At least she's got the self awareness to say that 59 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: influencing isn't a difficult job. It's interesting how she phrased 60 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: it though, saying, oh, when influencers say they've got a 61 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: hard job as if she isn't in that space herself. 62 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, she seemed to want to distance herself from influencers. 63 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: She is known as being an OG influencer, but I 64 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: suppose she's made her career a lot broader because she 65 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: owned so many different businesses. I think that that's what 66 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: she was trying to establish. Can you imagine, though, making 67 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: one million dollars in just one day would be pretty nice? 68 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: I mean I've always been so curious to know how 69 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: much influencers actually make when they launched their own product, 70 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: or even when they launched something through an existing brand. 71 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: And I feel like a few years ago, we'd always 72 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: see influencers. 73 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: Filming their launch, so you'd see them and you'd see 74 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 2: how many people are on the website, but you'd never 75 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 2: actually be told how much they'd make. You always just 76 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 2: assumed it was a fuck ton. 77 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there's always been question marks about how 78 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: much stock influencers actually released to achieve a sellout. I mean, 79 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: I remember back in the day when Kylie Jenner used 80 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: to put her lip kits on sale and it was 81 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: like sold out within thirty seconds, and everyone's like, but 82 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: how many were there? Well, clearly, as she sold a 83 00:03:58,240 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: hell of a lot of active where to make a 84 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: million dollars in twenty four hours, and she backed it 85 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: up when she also launched her app, so she also 86 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: made a subsequent one million dollars in twenty four hours, 87 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: which really shows how huge her influence was at the time. Yeah, 88 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: it appears that influence has waned, though, considering she shut 89 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: down her active wear collection, I was curious to see 90 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: when she actually launched her active wear line and whether 91 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: it was when she was at the height of her fame. 92 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: I would have said she was at the height of 93 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: her fame in twenty seventeen, but I was surprised to 94 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: see she only launched this active wear brand baseline in 95 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:29,679 Speaker 1: twenty twenty. 96 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: The thing is, though I vividly. 97 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: Remember buying a pair of Coalbalt Blue legans from her 98 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: did You in twenty seventeen, so she must have also 99 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: just had random active wear on her website and it 100 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 1: wasn't through the actual brand baseline. I didn't have you 101 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: done as an Ashy Baynes fan back in the day. 102 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: I'm I am not an Ashy Baynes fan. I had 103 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: just happened to follow her and I Cobalt Blue is 104 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: one of my favorite colors. I feel like it looks 105 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: really good on blondes, and I'm like, I have to 106 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: have those legans. I didn't feel they were the best 107 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: quality though. I think I wore them once and that 108 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: was it. 109 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 2: It seems like. 110 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: Ashi Byinnes is a money making machine when it comes 111 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: to social media, because she divulged that the most she's 112 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: been paid for a single social media post is fifteen 113 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, and she said the average she would get would. 114 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 2: Be around ten grand a post. That is absolutely wild. 115 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: For some reason, all I can think about in this 116 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: moment is if she was making so much money, why 117 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: didn't she. 118 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 2: Invest in a nice Christmas tree? OJ listeners will know that. 119 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: I think it was a couple of years ago she 120 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: shared this toilet brush looking Christmas tree and it had 121 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: the saddest looking tinsel. 122 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 2: I've ever seen. It still haunts me to this day. 123 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: Well, that's just a bousome Hill sponsorship deal waiting to happen, 124 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: isn't it. But why does she just pay for her 125 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: own She's making ten k off all these posts, well 126 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: fifteen k. Evidently people have different priorities except but she 127 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: was also talking about like gifting this tree to someone else. 128 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: But that's just one of the stories of ashi Bynes 129 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 1: that really sticks with me. Well, the confessions didn't stop 130 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: there for Ashiy Bynes, because she also revealed on her 131 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: podcast that when she was eighteen, she used to make 132 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: ten to twenty grand a week working as a quote 133 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: skimpy barmaid. 134 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 2: Yeah. This surprised me. 135 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 1: She said that she used to carry around a lot 136 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: of shame about this job and she was embarrassed to 137 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: open up about it until now. And she said it 138 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: was during a time in her life when she'd just 139 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: broken up with her boyfriend and she spent six months 140 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: in wa making serious bank. 141 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: Here's some of what she said. 142 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 3: The man over there just tipped like crazy. 143 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. 144 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 3: I was never a topless waiter yeah, or topless bar girl. 145 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 3: There was the pub that I worked out, and then 146 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 3: there was one next to it with the topless girls 147 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 3: were I never did that. I just didn't have the 148 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 3: confidence too. But yeah, it was fun. It was a 149 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 3: cool time in my life. Fun different be at at 150 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 3: home and make bank, make bank. Yeah, and it's the holidays. 151 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 2: Took my friends on holidays, paid off some bills. 152 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: I sensed that she wanted to make it really clear 153 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: that she wasn't actually a topless waiter. I feel like 154 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 1: she knew that the media would quickly run with that 155 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: as a headline, and I think she was trying to 156 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: separate herself from other women working in the industry, which 157 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: it almost felt a bit uncomfortable to listen to. Yeah, 158 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: particularly when she made such a big that when she 159 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: was working as a bar maide, she actually wore more 160 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: clothes than other girls working at nightclubs. Yeah, she referenced 161 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: Bedroom nightclub, which again I'm not from the Gold Coast. 162 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: I wonder if some of our listeners have some memories 163 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: of that nightclub. But she said a lot of the 164 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: women there would get around in lingerie and just underwear. 165 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 2: But again, I felt like. 166 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: It was just weird to be like, no, no, no, 167 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: but I didn't do that, Like I wasn't doing that. 168 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: And she would say, oh, and I built a good 169 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: rapport with the men working there. We were more mates 170 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: than anything else. I mean, again, I suppose she did 171 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: reference that she felt shame around the role, so maybe 172 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: she was carrying that a bit into the segment. Yeah, 173 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: it does sound like that now, as she did speak 174 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: about how dangerous this job was so She said that 175 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: she was in a really lucky position because she had 176 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: male friends who would drop her to and from work. However, 177 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: her coworkers weren't as lucky. They had to hang out 178 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: at the bar or walk home alone. 179 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 2: That's really scary, isn't it. 180 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: I love this detail of the story though, because, as 181 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: she said, as part of her job she had to 182 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: go by a different name. So the name she got 183 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: given was Pam. And she said, every now and then, 184 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: when she puts up a Q and a box, someone 185 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: will come out of the woodwork and say, how are 186 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: you going, Pam Oh, And she said she just can't 187 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: hide from it, which is maybe why she's decided to 188 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: open it up about it in her own terms. I 189 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: wonder if she was worried that someone would go to the. 190 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 2: Media about it. 191 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like maybe someone was threatening to leak 192 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: this to the media, not that it's even a very 193 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: big deal at all. I was just thinking the whole time, Oh, okay, 194 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: so this is like the only fans of them. I 195 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: also potentially think that as she felt like now was 196 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: a good time to open up about it, because we've 197 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 1: really evolved as a society. 198 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 2: I don't think that. 199 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: There would have been nearly as much judgment about this 200 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: story as there would have been five ten years ago. 201 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: Now it was only a couple of weeks ago so 202 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: that we were talking about how Ashi Bynes had launched 203 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 1: her fragrances into New Zealand and essentially offended the whole 204 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: country by saying they smelt so last week her brand 205 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: Hideaway launched a new campaign and this time they released 206 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: an all natural coconut loop. 207 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 3: Well we've just launched something new. 208 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 2: So what is it, exactly? 209 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 3: You're asking? Well, is natural lubricant? 210 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 5: Why? 211 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 3: Because I could not find any in Australia that was clean, 212 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 3: smell good, actually worked and didn't cost me an arm 213 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 3: in a leg, I was paying over one hundred dollars 214 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 3: to order one from the USA because there was nothing 215 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 3: here in Australia. I also heard some absolute horror stories 216 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 3: where other lubricants that were not natural and clean caused irritation, 217 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 3: reactions and burning no thank you. So after quickly realizing 218 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 3: I wasn't alone and wanting a nice natural product to 219 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 3: use in the bedroom, I said to Steve, let's create 220 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 3: it and we did the one hundred percent natural it's 221 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 3: coconut based, no paraban Oasilicon, No nasties under forty dollars 222 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 3: for a tube of one hundred and fifty mils, keep 223 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 3: packaging easier to order online, so no more awkward supermarket checkout. 224 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: Tell me you're an influencer without telling me you're an influencer. 225 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: A one hundred dollars on a bottle of loop? 226 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 2: What is it going on? 227 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: Because you've on this cost of living crisis? I mean, 228 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: have I been living under a rock? Or is that extreme? 229 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: Like I've never heard anyone spending one hundred dollars on 230 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: I get that she's saying it's all natural and it's fancy. 231 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 2: Et cetera. 232 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: But most people just going down to Woolies and buying 233 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: the ten dollars sheet off the aisle. 234 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 2: I mean, that's the thing. 235 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: I suppose it's quite a personal thing that people don't 236 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: generally talk about. So this story actually does remind me 237 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: of a guy that one of our friends was dating. 238 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: And I don't want to give too many details because 239 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: I don't want to get in trouble, but he definitely 240 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: wasn't dropping one hundred dollars on Loube because he liked 241 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: to keep a jar of coconut oil next to his bed, 242 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: so on his bedside table. 243 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 2: He was keeping it natural and he would spoon a 244 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 2: little bit out and use it instead. 245 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: Look, I don't know if she'd be putting that out there, 246 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: because I don't know if that's particularly a safe method. 247 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting that anyone should be doing this. That's 248 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: horribly in my mind. Can you imagine the ick of 249 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,839 Speaker 1: hearing the jar being unscrewed and the. 250 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 2: Screening of the spoon. Maybe he should just invest in 251 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 2: one hundred dollars as she buys lube. 252 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 1: I mean, whenever I'm cooking with coconut oil, it's really 253 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 1: actually hard to get out of the container, like sometimes 254 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: you need a warm spoon, or. 255 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 2: Because it's hard. The coconut oil is usually hard. 256 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: I remember in my early twenties hearing a story about 257 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: a guy who used to refuse to buy lu because 258 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: he didn't want to invest in it, so he would 259 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: use olive oil. Oh my god, SOAVI, are you're giving 260 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 1: some horror stories away. I feel like this is very 261 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: low brow for our podcast. Maybe this is why there's 262 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: some good natural products on the market now, because there's 263 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 1: so many people who had bad experiences with olive oil. 264 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 2: And coconut oil. 265 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: I don't think they're doing it for the natural reasons. 266 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: It sounds like laziness to me. 267 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 2: No, what I'm. 268 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 1: Saying that now, there's probably women who were like demanding 269 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:35,599 Speaker 1: all natural products because they've had some negative reaction or 270 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: irritation to stuff that they shouldn't be using. 271 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 2: Maybe Ashy Biens is doing God's work. 272 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 1: Here are outside Brookies bakehouse. 273 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 2: It is just opening this morning. We're working on. 274 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: This story today regarding the allegations of plagiarism against a 275 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: Brookie made by Nagi from recipe Tin to Eat. Two 276 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: of Australia's most popular food creators are engaged in a 277 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: plagiarism row over dessert recipes. Nagi Mahashi has a q 278 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: Brooke Bellamy of plagiarizing two of her recipes in her 279 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: best selling cookbook Bait with Brookie. Brooke denies the claim, 280 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: saying all the recipes in. 281 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 2: Her cookbook are her own. 282 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: Okay, before we get into it, can you get us 283 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: up to speed with the main players of this story. Yeah, 284 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: So this story is massive because these two food creators 285 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: are big deals in the Australian food industry. You've got Nagi, 286 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: who is one of Australia's most beloved and influential home cooks. 287 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: She is the founder of highly successful food blog recipe 288 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,839 Speaker 1: tin Eats. I'm a regular visitor to the blog. 289 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 2: Nearly all of. 290 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: My good recipes come from Nagi, and I think what 291 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: really sets her recipes apart is that they're easy enough 292 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: to cook on a weeknight, but they taste amazing and 293 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: they're pretty cost effective. I'm just obsessed with her dog, Dozer. 294 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: He's a senior Golden Retriever. He is adorable, He's got 295 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: the cutest white face. He's had a couple of health problems, 296 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: and it's really him who's won me over. 297 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 2: They're such a sweet duo together. 298 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: Every one of her Instagram stories that features Dozer I 299 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: put a little love on on now. Her story is 300 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: a really an vpirational one too, because she gave up 301 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: her job in corporate finance in twenty fourteen to pursue 302 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: her passion with food, and since then her blog has 303 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: amassed over five hundred million views. She's attracted almost two 304 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: million social media followers and released two best selling cookbooks. 305 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: To top it off, In twenty twenty, Nagi founded a 306 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: not for profit food bank called recipe Tin Meals that 307 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: donates nearly one hundred thousand meals to vulnerable people in Sydney. 308 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 1: So she is an incredible woman. 309 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 4: Yeah. 310 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: As for brook Bellamy, she launched Brookies Bakehouse in Brisbane 311 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two and the bakery was an instant 312 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: success thanks to her massive presence on TikTok. So she 313 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: has two million TikTok followers and one million on Instagram 314 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: and most days there is a massive lineup just to 315 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: get into her bakery. 316 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: And it got to the point where brook began having. 317 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: To ship cookies and cakes Australia wide and even internationally 318 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: because the demand was so huge. She's even opened up 319 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: pop up stores in Abu Dhabi and also Dubai. And 320 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: in October last year she published a cookbook called Bake 321 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: with Brookie and it has been incredibly successful up until 322 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: this point. She sold over ninety two thousand copies and 323 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: she has generated a predicted four point six million dollars 324 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: in sales. Now we need to talk about the allegations. 325 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: So on Tuesday, Nagi announced on her website that she 326 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: had made copyright infringement allegations against Penguin Random House Australia. 327 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: She wrote, this is a story about a multimillion dollar 328 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: cookbook by a social media influencer, published by a blue 329 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: chip publisher, featuring numerous recipes that, in my opinion, are plagiarized. 330 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: Given the detailed and extensive word for words similarities to 331 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: mine and those of other authors. To me, the similarities 332 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: between the recipes in question are far too specific in 333 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: detailed to be dismissed as coincidence. Penguin has denied the allegations. 334 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: I have received no response from book Bellamy, the author. 335 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: Now the recipes in question are a caramel slice and 336 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: a buck LeVar Nagi went on to share screenshots of 337 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: the recipes side by to show the similarities. 338 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 2: Now. 339 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: Within hours, Brook responded to the allegations, denying that she 340 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: plagiarized any recipes in her cookbook. She claimed that she'd 341 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: been selling caramel slices commercially since twenty sixteen. She wrote, 342 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: on March twenty twenty, recipe tin Eats published a recipe 343 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: for caramel slice. It uses the same ingredients as my recipe, 344 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: which I have been making and selling since four years prior. 345 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 2: Now as a form of a receipt. 346 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: She shared a photo of her pastry case in the 347 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: bakery and circled the caramel slice on a plate. Now, 348 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: I don't quite understand how the photo proves she used 349 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: a particular recipe. God, does anyone else feel like caramel slice? Though? 350 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 2: Just like I feel like I've gotta try this recipe out. 351 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: I mean. Brookie also claimed that she offered to remove 352 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: both the caramel slice and Bucclovar recipe from future prints 353 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: of her book to prevent further aggravation. Now, another popular 354 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: baking identity has come out of the woodwork to also 355 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: make claims against brook So. Sally McKenny from Sally's Baking 356 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: Addiction in the US alleged that Brooks vanilla cake recipe 357 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: also closely resembles her own. Nagi also has since accused 358 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: brook of copying the late Bill Granger's Portuguese tart recipe. Again, 359 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: this segment is making me very hungry. But I want 360 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: to pose the big question to you, because this is 361 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: what I've been thinking about all week in terms of 362 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: this story. Is it possible to plagiarize a recipe? Because 363 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: it's a really interesting discussion. Where is the line between 364 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: inspiration and plagiarism, particularly when it comes to baking sweet 365 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: goods because there's such a formula you need to follow. 366 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: It's not like a savory recipe where you can chuck 367 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: in a bit of this and a bit of that 368 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: and it'll work out. Yeah. And I think there was 369 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: a lot of confusion, particularly because everyone was focused on 370 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: the caramel slice recipe, and a caramel slice is a 371 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: very traditional recipe. There's not a lot of different ways 372 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: you can make it, so a lot of people don't 373 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: understand how a recipe for caramel slice can be copied. 374 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's a very basic recipe, isn't it. Yeah. 375 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: And the thing is those people clearly don't follow Nagi 376 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: on social media because she often shares the long process 377 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: that she goes to develop a recipe. And yes, a 378 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: caramel slice recipe doesn't differ much, but you can perfect 379 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: it and you can test different ratios out and that's 380 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: what she does. So she's not saying that she invented 381 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: the recipe, but she's saying that she's extensively tested different 382 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: versions until she's come up with one that's worked best 383 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: for her. 384 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 2: It's definitely very. 385 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: Complex, and I think unless you're a chef and know 386 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: what goes into developing a recipe, you probably don't fully 387 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: understand it. Legal experts have weighed in saying that yes, 388 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: it is possible to plagiarize a recipe, but recipe copyright 389 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: cases are very complex. 390 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 2: So you can't copyright the concept of. 391 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 1: Say a caramel slice, but once you've written down that recipe, 392 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,719 Speaker 1: that becomes a copyright literary work. 393 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 394 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: So, in Australia, copyright law protects the unique expression of 395 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: a recipe, which means the specific wording, instructions, and presentation. However, 396 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: the underlying list of ingredients or general method is not 397 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:07,479 Speaker 1: protected by law. Therefore, copying the exact text or unique 398 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: elements of a recipe without permission can constitute copyright infringement. 399 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 2: We reckon. 400 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: That's why sometimes we see recipes where people have thrown 401 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: in some. 402 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: Really random ingredients. 403 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: You're like wow, like you know that doesn't really belong 404 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 1: in there, but they've tried to make it different. 405 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 2: Well. 406 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: I think it's also around the way you present the recipe. 407 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: So a lot of cookbook authors will tell a really 408 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: special story about how they came to create the recipe 409 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 1: or you know, the inspiration behind it. And in Brookie's Cookbook, 410 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: we're not seeing that it's a very basic recipe or here, 411 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 1: this is how I made it. The steps are simple, 412 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: so there's not really that art of storytelling within it 413 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: as well. It's quite interesting and I think something that 414 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: seemed to catch Brooke out a little bit was that 415 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: there was a mistake in Nagi's Blacklovar recipe which is 416 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: then mirrored in Brooks recipe. 417 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 2: Which is a bit awkward. 418 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. 419 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: I think that was a little bit of a smoking 420 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: gun for some people. 421 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 2: Now. 422 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 1: While the whole plagiarism recipe situation is complex from a 423 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: copyright perspective, when it comes to how the food writing 424 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 1: industry views it, it's quite different because from an ethical stance, 425 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: closely mimicking someone's recipe is considered plagiary. 426 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 2: It's very frowned upon, isn't it. 427 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: And again that is from an ethical stance, not so 428 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: much illegal stance. 429 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, So the best practice is to. 430 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: Credit the original source, and that's what Nagi wanted. She 431 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: said that she would have given Brook her permission and 432 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: blessing to use the recipe if she just asked. And 433 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 1: I feel like the food community in Australia is probably 434 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 1: quite a tight knit one that seems like a very 435 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: wholesome community. Yeah. I feel like again, if a mission 436 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: was sought, she would have just given it. Yeah. And 437 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: I think while a lot has been said about this case, 438 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: one thing that I haven't seen discussed is this hierarchy 439 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: in the food creator space. And I think a lot 440 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: of the vitriol aimed at Brook has to do with 441 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: the fact that people don't think she's got baking credentials. 442 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: She had a meteoric rise into the food industry from 443 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: TikTok and I remember her content popping up on my 444 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: TikTok for you Paid and being absolutely amazed at how 445 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: she had managed to build this incredible business from just 446 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 1: sharing day in the life blogs. 447 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 2: Now I only just. 448 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: Discovered since the plagiarism scandal broke that Brook was a 449 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: highly successful travel blogger before opening her bakery. So she 450 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: was known by her maiden named Brook Starwood, and she 451 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: started up a travel blog called World of Wonderlus in 452 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: twenty twelve. This blog was absolutely massive. She had around 453 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: six million readers a year and one point two million 454 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: social media followers from it. And it was actually during 455 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: her travels that she developed her love for food and 456 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: for baking, which has then inspired her career in food 457 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: thus far. Yeah, and before Brookie's bake House, she opened 458 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: her first bakery in Tasmania in twenty sixteen, called Charlie's 459 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: Dessert House. Now, it was in twenty twenty when the 460 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: pandemic hit that Brooke found herself at this crossroad when 461 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 1: international travel was halted, and that's when she turned her 462 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: attention to baking and eventually opened Brookies bake House in 463 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. It is interesting to consider how many 464 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: of Brook's travel audience converted over to her baking content, 465 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: because her Instagram account is still live for her wonder 466 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: last one and she actually links to Brookies Bakehouse over there. 467 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: I suppose travel and food sort of go hand in hand, 468 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: don't they, Because a lot of the time travel bloggers 469 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: will show you a country's cuisine. It's very aspirational content, 470 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: so I can see how they go quite nicely together. Yeah, 471 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: it definitely makes sense. And I think it is this 472 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: influencer status that Brooke had before launching Brookies Bakehouse that 473 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: has got people questioning is she a legitimate baker? 474 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 2: Is this just another business venture for her? 475 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: I feel like those who are questioning it are definitely 476 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: people in the food industry and who I've been working 477 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 1: in the food industry for decades, and they feel a 478 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: little bit insecure about the rise of these TikTok content 479 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: creators because, I mean, all over my algorithm at the moment, 480 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: I'm seeing these really quick, fast recipes that are easy 481 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: to make, and there isn't really a lot of crediting 482 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 1: going on. And people are building huge careers off being 483 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: really creative in the way that they film something. But 484 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 1: maybe those people don't actually have the technical skills in 485 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: building a recipe. But isn't this just how the cooking 486 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: landscape has progressed. I mean, we originally had cookbook authors, 487 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 1: now we have bloggers, and now we have got TikTok creators. 488 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: There's always been snobbery around the next iteration, is that 489 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 1: just what we're seeing here? It definitely is the way forward, 490 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: and it's the way that I personally build up recipes 491 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: for dinner. 492 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 2: I'll always save something that looks quick and easy. 493 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: But I think the frustration is coming from food creators 494 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: who have worked in the industry for decades and they've 495 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: tested and trialed these recipes for people to then seemingly 496 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: steal them and with creators like Nagi. 497 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 2: She's all about. 498 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: Building a story, and their work is beautiful, like their 499 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: works of art, what they create about these particular recipes 500 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: and the personal stories that they bring into them. And 501 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: I think that there's some frustration that maybe there's a 502 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 1: section of people who just want to be TikTok famous, 503 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: so they're going to start ripping off people's recipes and 504 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: they're not really into food themselves. Yeah, and I think 505 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: there's this skepticism around someone like Brook who has had 506 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 1: six in the travel industry, being a travel influencer, and 507 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: then people are probably like, oh, hang on, and she 508 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: just moved into the baking industry because that was the 509 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 1: next thing that was popular on TikTok. And there is 510 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 1: a flattening of this recipe development on TikTok. People aren't 511 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: crediting different creators. So yeah, I can see why there 512 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: is a little bit of a battle between the old 513 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: school and the new school. Another point of contention has 514 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: been around Brooks supposed wealth. So Brook is married to 515 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: landscape architect Justice Bellamy and they have a young daughter 516 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: together called Collette. Wait, so his name is Justice, Yes, 517 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: sounds like a judge. Yeah, well that's his first name. 518 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: His other brothers and sisters have quite unique names too. 519 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: I can tell from the name Justice that he is 520 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: philsy Rich. Yeah, there's been this chatter online that Justice 521 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: is a billionaire thanks to his family founding Bellamy Organix. 522 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 1: So Bellamy Organic's actually started out as a formula company 523 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: in Tasmania. People are saying he funded Brooks Bakeries and 524 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: she's had this. 525 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 2: Leg up in the industry. 526 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: Now. While it is true that Justine does, his parents 527 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: originally founded Bellamy Organics. They sold it in two thousand 528 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: and seven to Tasmania Pure Foods and at the time 529 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: the company wasn't quite breaking even and they had three employees. 530 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: Since then, the company changed its name to Bellamy Australia 531 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: and in twenty nineteen was acquired by a Chinese company 532 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: for one point five billion dollars. So I'm sure that 533 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: Justice's family made good money out of the company in 534 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: two thousand and seven, but nowhere near a billion dollars. 535 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 2: I kind of feel like it's irrelevant. 536 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: Even if she did get a leg up, she's still 537 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: built her own successful social media career and that's how 538 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: she's generated interest in her food. Yes, obviously it helps 539 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: to be given money to open a bakery, but she 540 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 1: wouldn't be having lines out the door if it wasn't 541 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: for her excellent marketing. Yet, it seems like since this 542 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: story has hit the media, people are really focusing on 543 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: the money involved, because obviously it's been touted as this 544 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: four point six million dollar cookbook, and people are pointing 545 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: out that Brooke purchased a three point six million dollar 546 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: home off the back of the success of the And 547 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: I think it's also because Nagi is viewed as Australia's sweetheart, 548 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: so anyone who comes up against her it's very difficult 549 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 1: for them. That's why I was surprised that Nagi actually 550 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 1: came out with these allegations because it is very off 551 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,959 Speaker 1: brand for her. It sounds like this story has been 552 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: going on behind the scenes for about six months now, 553 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: so it's not like Brooke was blindsided when Nagi released 554 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: her statement. It sounds like she did give her some 555 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 1: time to come back at her before going public with it. 556 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: We need to remember that this is a business issue, 557 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: so Nagi last week urged her follow us to stop 558 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: trolling Brook and said, you've got to remember this is 559 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 1: my business. Having an issue with Penguin. It's not an 560 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: issue directly with brook Yes, she is involved, let's throw 561 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 1: it more of what she said. 562 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 5: You know, share your opinions, have heated debates. Support Brookie, 563 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 5: support me, disagree with both of us, think we're pathetic, 564 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 5: whatever you want, but just keep it respectful, no trolling, 565 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 5: no hate comments. Fundamentally, at the end of the day, 566 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 5: we're talking recipes and this is a business dispute. You know, 567 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 5: these are legal allegations that I've made against Penguin. A 568 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 5: corporate allegation is made by my company. So it just 569 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 5: we've got to be respectful about this. You know, it's 570 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 5: the recipe, tim Way. 571 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 1: I think this just really shows what an amazing person 572 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: Nagi is, and people do need to understand that this 573 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: is a commercial dispute between businesses, not women. The sad 574 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: thing is, though, whenever women are involved in a conflict 575 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: like this, the media turn it into a bit of 576 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 1: a catfight and say that they're facing off against each other. 577 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 2: They don't make it into a business dispute. They tend 578 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 2: to make it very personal. 579 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: I was sitting all over my TikTok on the day 580 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: that Naggi made her allegations. People sharing these hilarious videos 581 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: showing their two cookbooks facing off on the bookshelf, being like, oh, 582 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: this is all with it. 583 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 2: The next day each other, well came up. 584 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: We're playing into it the other day when I was 585 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: there because at the checkout they had the two cookbooks there, 586 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: like they're obviously like, well, everyone's talking about these, let's 587 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: place them front and center. What makes this even more 588 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: awkward is that Nagi and Brook are set to appear 589 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: this week at an Australian Book Industry Awards in Melbourne. 590 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: So both of their cookbooks have been shortlisted in the 591 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: same category. So I wonder if someone is just not 592 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,360 Speaker 1: going to turn up. Yeah, I think in this instance, 593 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 1: Brook may be a no show. It's a hard one 594 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: because then if she doesn't show up, it almost looks 595 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: like she's saying she has done the wrong thing. 596 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 597 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: If I was their PR managers, I'd say, hey, ladies, 598 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: both turn up and be on the red carpet together 599 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: showing some form of solidarity and say this is a 600 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: business dispute, it's not personal or I mean, not even 601 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: turn up on the red carpet together, but just look civil, 602 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: maybe shake hands or something. 603 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 4: I was not expecting it It all happened within the 604 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 4: space of like forty eight hours, sold mine and bought 605 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 4: another one. 606 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: Sammy Robinson has made a return to YouTube to announce 607 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: she's officially a homeowner. The one Mile founder, who lives 608 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: in Sydney, revealed she purchased a dream home over the 609 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: Easter Long weekend. Yeah, it's been a bit of a 610 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: whirlwind for Sammy because she bought her new home just 611 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: two days after selling her apartment. It all happened so quickly. 612 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: So Sammy said that while she has been doing her 613 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: research and looking at property online for about a year, 614 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: she hadn't actually attended an open inspection until she sold 615 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: her apartment. 616 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 2: Well that's living life on the edge, isn't it. 617 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, So as soon as the paperwork for her apartment 618 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: was done, Sammy made a short list of twenty properties 619 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: that she wanted to check out that weekend. 620 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 2: So she went with her mum and looked at as 621 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:33,439 Speaker 2: many as. 622 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: They could, and she instantly fell in love with a 623 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: property and basically the real estate agent said to her, 624 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: if you put in an offer today. 625 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 2: You'll be in with a really good chance. So this 626 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 2: is day one of looking at properties. I think that's 627 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 2: what happens, though. 628 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: When you're looking for a house, you don't realize how 629 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: quick you have to be. 630 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 631 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: Well, Sammy said that she loved this house so much 632 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: that she went to her solicitor straight away. She spent 633 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: four hours there going over the contract and going back 634 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: and forth with the current owners. She put in an 635 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: offer that afternoon. By Sunday night, she got a call 636 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: saying that the offer had been accepted. 637 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 2: Such have been a good offer. It all happened in 638 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 2: the space of forty eight hours. Here's how she reacted. 639 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 4: I can't even remember exciting. 640 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 3: What's just happened this weekend? 641 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 4: Like, I have no words. 642 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 2: We just got accepted. 643 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 5: Done with horse. 644 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 2: You got a backyard? 645 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 4: Now, oh my god, you got a backyard. 646 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 2: Have you been working hard? 647 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 4: Have you been working so high? 648 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: That was Sammy telling her dogs that they're going to 649 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: be getting a backyard, which is a bit of a 650 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: social media trend at the moment. I've seen people saying 651 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: that they're only working hard in order to secure. 652 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 2: Their dogs a backyard. 653 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: She also dropped that her dogs are going to be 654 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: water baby. So I'm guessing this house is neither water 655 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: or has a pool, and it must be pretty big 656 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: because her roommate Holly is going to continue living with 657 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: her and her sister is going to move in, so 658 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: I would be predicting that this would have quite a 659 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: number of bedrooms. 660 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 661 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: Well, I mean she must be doing well with one 662 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: mile just to be dropping money so quickly on a house. Well, 663 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: particularly because she has described this as being her dream house. 664 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 2: Let's have a listen to what she said. 665 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 4: It's like my ddream house. It makes me really emotional, 666 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 4: and I feel like I haven't had a chance to 667 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 4: like let it digest and manifested this place specifically, like 668 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 4: this was everything that was on my list. This place 669 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,239 Speaker 4: I will be out for quite a while and I 670 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 4: want to make it perfect and I want to I'm 671 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 4: just after doing my store renaults and sort of the 672 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 4: fit out and the design and the interior design aspect 673 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 4: of that. I feel like I've developed such a newfound 674 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 4: passion for that or interest in that. 675 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 2: This must be a pretty epic house. 676 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: If she is saying that this is her dream home, 677 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: because she has lived in some pretty incredible houses with 678 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: her parents. I mean her parents' house had a view 679 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: of the Sydney Harbor Bridge. She's also had some incredible 680 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: holiday houses near the water. I always remember when I 681 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: first started following her. Every year Year's she would have 682 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: this incredible photo of her and her boyfriend Nick at 683 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: the time, making out when the clock struck midnight and 684 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: the fireworks were going off and you could see the 685 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: Sydney Harbor Ridge in the background, And I always thought, 686 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: who is the poor mug start taking this photo? 687 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 2: A perfect influencer backdrop. 688 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 4: There. 689 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: One thing that really stood out to me when I 690 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: was watching this vlog was just how grateful Sammy was 691 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: to her audience. So she said that she was eternally 692 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: grateful for her followers and she would never be able 693 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: to live this life without them, and she's been able 694 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: to transition from YouTube to a successful business owner because 695 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: of the support from them. She's a real class at 696 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: People will know that she is a favorite of mine. 697 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: But it just was very genuine. It didn't feel like 698 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: she was just ticking a box. Because I do feel 699 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,239 Speaker 1: like there is a bit of a formula. If you're 700 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: an influencer and you've bought a house, you must show 701 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: that you were grateful to your audience. Even though it's 702 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: quite clear that Sammy has worked very hard building her business, 703 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: but she knows without her audience, no one would be 704 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: buying the products. It's interesting to how much she must 705 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: be making from one mile because we spoke about earlier 706 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: in the show about Ashy Bynes and how she made 707 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: a million dollars in the first twenty four hours of 708 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: her active wear drop to think that Sammy has two 709 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: stores in Sydney to retail stores. 710 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 2: Well, she's just set to open the second one in Paddington. Yeah. 711 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: Plus obviously her online e commerce website she must be 712 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: doing so well. Yeah, and there's been a lot of 713 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: talk about her broadening her horizons to the US. She's 714 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: done a lot of shoots over there. 715 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 2: I think they did. 716 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: Something with Kendall Jenna so, no, it actually wasn't Kendall Jenna. 717 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: It was just another model called Kendall. 718 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 4: So. 719 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: I think it was off the back of Kendall wearing 720 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: one of the items of clothing. And I really played 721 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: on it they were shooting with Kendall. 722 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 2: Well, I bought it. 723 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: Touching on Sammy's store that she's set to open in Paddington. 724 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: I love it because she's talking about having a signature sandwich. 725 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 2: At the store. Oh, I feel like sandwiches are all 726 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 2: the rage. Yes they are. They're all over my TikTok 727 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 2: at the moment. 728 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,719 Speaker 1: And the more ingredients the better, it seems. 729 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 5: Yeah. 730 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 2: There is an. 731 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: Incredible store in up Lad called Dante's, which I have 732 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: to say make the best sandwiches. 733 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, you were. 734 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: Raving about them the other day. I need to go there. 735 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: Apparently it's the what is it, the tuna melt. That's 736 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,719 Speaker 1: really the tuna mel is incredible. I'm not really a 737 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: fan of tuna, but this is next level. If you 738 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: had a signature sandwich, what would be in it? I, 739 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: being vegetarian, obviously eat a little bit of fish, pescatarian. 740 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: I would just love a sandwich bursting with salad, so carrot, beech, root, cheese, 741 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: maybe a bit of feather in there, avocado, capsicumque like 742 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: just any vegetable you can think of a mayonnaise. I mean, 743 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: it's not very injured, pep salm, pepper. Yeah, and on 744 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: a sour dough. It has to be on a sour dough. 745 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: Sour dough that's hard to bite into as a sous 746 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: sour dough. Okay, Well, on that note, it is lunchtime 747 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: at Outspoken HQ. You can probably tell that We're absolutely starving, 748 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: so we will leave things there for today. 749 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us for this episode. 750 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 2: If you have enjoyed it, could you please make sure 751 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 2: you are subscribed on Apple podcast and also. 752 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: Spotify and leave us a fire start review and rating. 753 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: I also love seeing where you're listening from, whether it's 754 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: on your hot girl walk or whatever you're doing. This 755 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: episode was recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana 756 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: people of the Adelaide Plains. We pay respect to elders 757 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:14,240 Speaker 1: past and present,