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Speaker 1: Now, we did ask Marian Scrimdawer on the show this

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Speaker 1: morning to talk about the issues that we've got in

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Speaker 1: as we've just told you about, yesterday afternoon at two

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Speaker 1: point thirty, two teenagers entered a home in Alice Springs

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Speaker 1: and then one of these teens allegedly struck the woman

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Speaker 1: little bub has had to be transported A good morning to.

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Speaker 2: You, Marian, Good morning, Cadie.

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Speaker 1: Marian, I am, I am. I actually feel quite upset

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Speaker 1: when I think about this mum with her little baby

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Speaker 1: people breaking in, not only taking aim at her, but

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Speaker 1: striking her newborn baby with a blunt weapon. That little

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Speaker 1: Bubbs had to be transported to Adelaide. It's beyond appalling.

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Speaker 2: It's disgusting, Katie, and no one should think, no one

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Speaker 2: should think that that's okay, because it's not. And for

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Speaker 2: a two month old baby to be hurt like they did,

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Speaker 2: those young people there has to be consequences, and this

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Speaker 2: is you know, I think, and I know that the

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Speaker 2: I talked to Josh Berglin this morning and I talked

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Speaker 2: to Josh and I said it the rally the other day.

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Speaker 2: This has to be beyond DLP ALP. We've got to

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Speaker 2: take the politics out of all of this, Katie. We've

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Speaker 2: got to we've got to work together to deal with

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Speaker 2: got the same issues. And I've got a discussion this

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Speaker 2: Melander and the Cartage this morning. I said, ma'am, we've

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Speaker 2: can't accept that these young people think that it's okay

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Speaker 2: to go, you know, to do a home invasion. And

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Speaker 2: it's what I said the other day. Case non Aboriginal women,

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Speaker 2: whether it's older women, whether it's old senior people in

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Speaker 2: they are being targeted and there's a lot of home invasions.

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Speaker 2: And I've said to the Commissioner and I've said to

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Speaker 2: the police, this isn't about alcohol. The community of Alice

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Speaker 2: there is a real crisis happening. And I think it

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Speaker 2: I came down yesterday, Lank Council leaders today, but as

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Speaker 2: Aboriginal people, we've got to say it's not just about

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Speaker 2: saying enough enough. We're going to actually do some action here.

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Speaker 2: You know, it is not good enough and words, we've

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Speaker 2: got to get beyond it. You know. I won't say

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Speaker 2: the words that I was saying last night when I

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Speaker 2: was talking to people in Alice Springs about what happened

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Speaker 2: to that little one case, but it is, you know,

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Speaker 2: none of us should accept or make excuses that it

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Speaker 2: And I think there has to be consequences and we've

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Speaker 2: for this. You know, Like I say to to the court,

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Speaker 2: I was told that one of those young people. Now

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Speaker 2: I just heard this third hand from someone I was

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Speaker 2: had an ankle bracelet, Katie. So that means that that

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Speaker 2: young person was part of the correctional system. So it's

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Speaker 2: not just about plates. Where's the correction system? You know,

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Speaker 2: and I know that Bill Yan, he's a goode and

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Speaker 2: to get together. So I said to Josh this morning,

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Speaker 2: and rest of your ministerial colleague. I said, let them

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Speaker 2: just analysis. I said, We've got this issue right throughout

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Speaker 2: the territory. Let's be honest, you know, like governments have

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Speaker 2: got to stop denying that it's just about legislation, I said,

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Speaker 2: We've got to do other things that stop. See, I said,

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Speaker 2: because the courts are also backing up. So you know,

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Speaker 2: like let's all get together with the policy maker. You know,

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Speaker 2: like this is urgent. So I'm going to form something

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Speaker 2: We've got to confront it, and we've got to be

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Speaker 1: It well, Marion, like to me, you know, we've got

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Speaker 1: a situation where it is not safe for police in

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Speaker 1: We had a woman raped allegedly while she slept in

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Speaker 1: we actually need the federal police or the defense force,

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Speaker 1: this is absolute bullshit. We've lost control.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think it's bullshit too, Katie, and I'll be

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Speaker 2: making that view. And I said that to Josh, I said,

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Speaker 2: other resources. But we need the police Commissioner to do that, CDI,

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Speaker 2: because it is a crisis when I you know, I've

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Speaker 2: So we have lost you know, the Northern Territory is

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Speaker 2: got to go beyond politics, Katie. I keep saying to people,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and look, you and I have known

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Speaker 2: We're not, Katie, And what we're seeing is the result

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Speaker 2: I think that we're just going to draw a line

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Speaker 2: it made me cry. I came. I thought, you know,

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Speaker 2: to Josh Bergoin again this morning because they're going into

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Speaker 2: let's stop this. You know, well there was ten years

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Speaker 2: I said, let's forget. You know, people don't want that

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Speaker 1: And so Marian from them, that is definitely, you know,

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Speaker 2: See a great And I spoke earlier this morning, well

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Speaker 2: we do need both governments, Fedment and the Northern Territory

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Speaker 2: And you know that's it's time to draw that line now, Cardio.

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Speaker 2: You know there shouldn't be any excuses for this level

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Speaker 2: not you know, there's grog and the domestic and family

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Speaker 1: We have got to we have got to make sure

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Speaker 1: that something actually changes from this point Marin, it's you know,

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Speaker 1: in time. I mean, I'm in Darwin and I second

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Speaker 1: That's where it's gone way too far?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And look, I've got a high fence around the

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Speaker 2: house I live in in alex Katie, but I've put

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Speaker 2: there are you know, but there are women who are

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Speaker 2: telling me they don't sleep all night, Katie, you know,

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Speaker 2: sit there and think, is it my turn tonight? You know,

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Speaker 2: like people shouldn't have to live like that.

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Speaker 1: No, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: It's it's what we can't say as a society and

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Speaker 2: it's our mob doing this. The leadership has to stand up.

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Speaker 2: And I saw fantastic leadership the other day with the

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Speaker 2: We have to be the solution, not the problem, and

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Speaker 2: we have to own this. Well, I'm saying to Aboriginal

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Speaker 2: the race, you know, it'll turn into racial water and

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Speaker 2: none of us want it.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right, and that's what I'm you know, that's

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Speaker 1: what I'm afraid of, to be honest with you. I

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Speaker 1: can see some of it happening already where people are

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Speaker 1: That's right, so we've got it.

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Speaker 2: If I hear any more, please do I have the

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Speaker 2: conversation with my bedroom mob. Yep, but I've certainly put

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Speaker 2: or we've got to deal with this. We can't play.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's not.

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Speaker 1: About Thank you Marian for having a chat with us

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Speaker 1: this morning. We're about to catch up with Ted Egan.

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Speaker 1: Thank you again and we'll talk to you very soon.

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Speaker 1: Good on you, Thank you Bye.