Speaker 1: Get a Peter Hally here.
Speaker 2: Welcome to you Ain't Seen Nothing Yet? The movie podcast,
Speaker 2: where we chat to movie lovers about classic or beloved
Speaker 2: movies they haven't quite got around to watching until now.
Speaker 2: And today's guest comedian Dave Thoughnton.
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Speaker 4: Hello, sixty percent of the time it works every time.
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Speaker 1: Haven't right?
Speaker 3: So you ain't seen Nothing yet?
Speaker 2: Dave Dalton is an excellent human being as well as
Speaker 2: a superstar comedian. He is a delight to hang out with,
Speaker 2: a bloody, funny buger, great company and on stage he
Speaker 2: is raisor sharp. I've known Dave since he burst onto
Speaker 2: the comedy scene here in Melbourne, Australia. He won the
Speaker 2: two thousand and seven Best Newcomer at the Melbourne International
Speaker 2: Comedy Festival and his career has gone from strength to strength.
Speaker 2: He is always on the money, always gut bustingly funny,
Speaker 2: and he's a brilliant writer and craftsman of the stand
Speaker 2: up comedy. He's also done acting, Thorno has as well
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Speaker 2: project Hughsey, we have a problem. He's one of the
Speaker 2: guys as at the top of every show booker's request sheet.
Speaker 2: I imagine to get Dave Thorton on you on your
Speaker 2: panel show. He also that's macting with Kerry Armstrong a
Speaker 2: while ago on the serious God Better Roses, which is
Speaker 2: quite dramatic and also less dramatic. His role on the
Speaker 2: very funny Up in the Middle bow And with Robin
Speaker 2: Butler and Wayne Hope, an excellent comedy series of year.
Speaker 1: Have not checked that out? You should so.
Speaker 2: I was a lot bit disgusted at Thorn. I hadn't
Speaker 2: seen this movie we're discussing today. It's one of my favorites,
Speaker 2: but it was a joyous fan and chatted him about it.
Speaker 5: Enjoy, Gooday.
Speaker 6: My name is Dave Thornton, and my three favorite films Moneyball.
Speaker 5: I don't give a rat house what your name is, Gaika,
Speaker 5: I got the better end of the deal.
Speaker 2: Only lend you my body, you let me your dream.
Speaker 5: And now Anchorman, you are a smellly pirate hooker. You
Speaker 5: look like a blueberry.
Speaker 6: And you say that because I watched that a few
Speaker 6: weeks ago. But I have never seen heat until two
Speaker 6: days ago.
Speaker 5: I do what I do best.
Speaker 3: I take scuse you do what you do best, trying
Speaker 3: to stab gays like me.
Speaker 2: It's the Niro, It's Batcino, It's Michael Man. What more
Speaker 2: do you need to know? This is one of the
Speaker 2: great crime films in the history of cinema, and it
Speaker 2: is so great because it takes on both sides of
Speaker 2: the battleground. It's the cops and the robbers played by
Speaker 2: a superb cast. Released in nine to eighty five, Heat
Speaker 2: is one of my all time favorite films, Like I said,
Speaker 2: and I can't wait to talk about it with Dave Thorn,
Speaker 2: I Thornton.
Speaker 1: Dave Thoughton, Welcome to you ain't seen nothing yet.
Speaker 2: First of all, let's just dive into before we get
Speaker 2: onto the masterful Heat.
Speaker 1: Your favorite film. So some mistering ones I hadn't come up.
Speaker 2: Before, Gadica, Ethan Hawk, Thurmont.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: It was my brother that showed that to me. That
Speaker 6: movie come out like late nineties other time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, k about then, yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 6: I remember my brother was just like, oh, what's this
Speaker 6: And I didn't know at all what it was about. Yeah,
Speaker 6: And by the end of it, you know, when you're
Speaker 6: surprised because if you literally going as a blank canvas. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I got to the end, and I love I do
Speaker 6: love sporting films. I mean that Gadic is all about determination.
Speaker 5: Really.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's setting them not too just in future where
Speaker 6: kids are born genetically modified. Yep, they're not better or anything,
Speaker 6: but they just get the best of each parent's genetics.
Speaker 6: Put them together and say you are the best human possible.
Speaker 6: And Ethan Hawke plays a guy who wasn't he was
Speaker 6: born naturally, and so then they rattle off a litany
Speaker 6: of things that could go wrong in this kid's life.
Speaker 6: He'll probably have a heart attack at thirty. He'll never
Speaker 6: make it, he'll just be some plot who's at best
Speaker 6: a cleaner, but he wants to become an astronaut. And
Speaker 6: the whole way through he fakes being this person who's
Speaker 6: genetically modified, who's the best of the best. And so
Speaker 6: by the end of it, I mean, you know, I
Speaker 6: don't want to spoil it, but you know, by the
Speaker 6: end of it, he's getting through all this mess and whatnot.
Speaker 6: And I just loved it. I just was enveloped by
Speaker 6: the whole story.
Speaker 2: I totally remember watching it and really digging it. Like,
Speaker 2: way more than I thought I was going to. But
Speaker 2: if you if you had have asked me what happens
Speaker 2: in Gatika, I would have gone, it's gotthan Ethan Hawk.
Speaker 2: And I didn't know you were going to say Gadeaka.
Speaker 2: So I was like, yeah, it's Ethan Hawk and Uma
Speaker 2: Thurman and science fiction. And that's as much as I
Speaker 2: could have told you. So it hasn't I must say,
Speaker 2: it hasn't lived in my in my memory, but I
Speaker 2: remember really enjoying it. And Moneyball was another one. You said,
Speaker 2: how good Moneyball? I love it, man.
Speaker 6: It is actually a film that I've got on my iPad.
Speaker 6: I bought it and I would just jump in on
Speaker 6: scenes and pieces.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you can do it. Aaron Sorkin film. Like
Speaker 1: Aaron Zagin wrote that.
Speaker 2: It was it wasn't Fincher who directed, No, it was
Speaker 2: a guy who did a Capodi.
Speaker 1: Bennett. But that was again that was such a surprise
Speaker 1: of a Felm.
Speaker 2: Besides knowing that Aaron Sorkin had written it, so there
Speaker 2: must be it must be of a certain standard.
Speaker 1: But like on paper, that movie shouldn't work.
Speaker 5: I agree. I don't even like Baseball. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 5: like it. Yeah, but the highlights in it.
Speaker 6: And Brad Pitt, he plays such a great part, Like
Speaker 6: I love it that the whole way through. He plays
Speaker 6: Billy Bean, this manager of a baseball team, the Oakland A's,
Speaker 6: and he's.
Speaker 5: Such a twitchy character.
Speaker 6: I love the little bits he's alway munching on something,
Speaker 6: he's always thinking about something. He's always kind of got
Speaker 6: this beat that's going in his head that he's trying
Speaker 6: to get better. He's trying to get better, he's trying
Speaker 6: to push and I mean that. I feel those two
Speaker 6: films are very similar because they are men that like
Speaker 6: people tell them you can't.
Speaker 5: Do this, and they're like, I'm going to push through it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So I think there's a lot of reflection times, probably
Speaker 6: in my own career, like I just need a story
Speaker 6: to tell me everything's gonna be all right.
Speaker 2: And Ron Bergen he's probably the same people are telling me,
Speaker 2: you know, he can't do this, but.
Speaker 1: He pushes through. He pushes through. Well, only what's that?
Speaker 5: About?
Speaker 6: Two weeks ago I thought Haws it stood the test
Speaker 6: of time in my head up probably hadn't watched it
Speaker 6: for a decade maybe longer, and I.
Speaker 5: Was like, man, this is so funny, Like, it's so funny.
Speaker 2: I was on the I got quoted on the Australian
Speaker 2: and Command poster because I had said on radio at
Speaker 2: the time I laughed so hard I farted, and it
Speaker 2: was it was true. I laughed so hard I audibly
Speaker 2: farted in the cinema. And it was the scene where
Speaker 2: they Paul Rudd puts the cologne on and everyone just like, like,
Speaker 2: it smells like you know.
Speaker 1: Big foots balls or whatever.
Speaker 2: And I think Judd Apata has it like he runs
Speaker 2: across the screen He's gonna line in there, what is that?
Speaker 1: It sells like a turn covered in burnt hair? And
Speaker 1: that made me laugh so much.
Speaker 5: Well, it's you know, it is a film of sketches
Speaker 5: as well. It's amazing. The narrative does get pushed along
Speaker 5: because there's moments to be like, why did that just happen?
Speaker 6: Yes, when Ron Burgundy he Christin Applegate's character, oh god,
Speaker 6: I can't believe in that.
Speaker 5: Names escape me.
Speaker 6: But when the three other guys are sitting in there,
Speaker 6: they go Ron, what's it like? And he's like, what you'
Speaker 6: mean intimacy and like no love And that's when they
Speaker 6: start singing Afternoon Delight as a four person barbershop quartet.
Speaker 5: Sky Rockets in played a Noon Delight.
Speaker 7: You guys have it over Afternoon Delight.
Speaker 4: I don't know, Ron, that sounds kind of crazy, sounds
Speaker 4: like you have mental problems, man, Yeah, you have mental problems. Man, Yeah,
Speaker 4: it really does man, Afternoon Delight.
Speaker 5: And then go, I don't know, it feels a bit weird,
Speaker 5: and then just walk out of the room. There's no
Speaker 5: reason to.
Speaker 1: Have that in. But that's that's the joy of comedy.
Speaker 2: You can I comedy light that where it's heightened and ridiculous.
Speaker 2: You can play play wide.
Speaker 6: But one thing before we do move on, because I remember,
Speaker 6: remember the sequel came along and everyone was salivating for it, Yes,
Speaker 6: and I saw it in an open air cinema and
Speaker 6: I remember walking away.
Speaker 5: Disgusted because it taught me really good lesson.
Speaker 6: I like that story can fit in in this pocket,
Speaker 6: in this world. I don't know if that situational comedy
Speaker 6: or what, but it's like it can kind of only
Speaker 6: exist here because when you try to replicate it, the
Speaker 6: turns of phrases, the cats phrases, you've already heard them. Yes,
Speaker 6: if you try to do another one, it feels a
Speaker 6: bit eggy because they're kind of doing it because they
Speaker 6: know that's what people like.
Speaker 2: I must say, I walked away from Anchorman to a
Speaker 2: little underwhelmed, But I've since watched it again, and I
Speaker 2: think our expectations were so high. It was almost like
Speaker 2: going into the Force Awakens with Star Wars, the comedy
Speaker 2: version of it. Like Anchorman, one of those revere comedies
Speaker 2: of our generation of our life was doing a sequel
Speaker 2: fifteen years later and it was never gonna live up
Speaker 2: to expectations.
Speaker 1: But I still think.
Speaker 2: I still think there are certainly really funny moments in
Speaker 2: that in that film did better than the Zoolander sequels.
Speaker 1: Probably a bit fell a bit flat. I thought it's hard,
Speaker 1: those characters fell a bit.
Speaker 2: I thought there was some funny moments in that film too,
Speaker 2: but that fell a bit flatter.
Speaker 5: It's hard to do this sekus in comedy. I always
Speaker 5: find it. You're like, how can you relive this again?
Speaker 5: Because you're so right?
Speaker 6: I mean, you come in a good comedy and it
Speaker 6: surprises you. Yeah, and surprises the worst thing for comedy. Sorry,
Speaker 6: expectations are the worst.
Speaker 1: That surprises great in comedy. So why haven't you seen Heat.
Speaker 2: Heat just to frame this, I think is one of
Speaker 2: the greatest crime films ever. I was trying to think
Speaker 2: as I watched it again last night, and I've probably
Speaker 2: seen it about ten times, and I was going.
Speaker 1: To think, what a what a better?
Speaker 5: What are the better.
Speaker 1: Crime films than this?
Speaker 2: And I can only probably think of if The Godfather's
Speaker 2: a crime for ins, which I guess they are, maybe
Speaker 2: good fellows, And then I'm not sure if I could
Speaker 2: even get another one ahead of Heat.
Speaker 1: But so, why had you not seen it?
Speaker 6: I was thinking about that when I when I was
Speaker 6: watching it, I was like, it came out ninety.
Speaker 5: Five, so I'm in year ten off memory.
Speaker 2: This is officially the twenty fifth year celebration of Heat.
Speaker 2: This is the official celebration this podcast, right, Michael Mann
Speaker 2: would be listening to this EPAINO.
Speaker 1: This is how we commemorate the classic.
Speaker 6: And as much as we rip sequels, Pete and I
Speaker 6: are willing to do Heat too.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: There was talk of a TV spin off, but we'll
Speaker 1: get to that later. So why why not? Why not?
Speaker 5: That's interesting because I don't know what's rating?
Speaker 1: Is it R rated? I don't remember it being ah yeah.
Speaker 6: Because I'm thinking, I mean year ten when it gets released.
Speaker 6: I think it was an age where you couldn't I
Speaker 6: couldn't go down to video easy and just pick that up.
Speaker 5: I don't think.
Speaker 6: I think then I might have been not able to
Speaker 6: get an R rated one, or didn't feel good about
Speaker 6: getting an R rated film and bringing it home because
Speaker 6: we'd have to watch it in front of the family.
Speaker 6: Different times when you didn't have your own screen, there
Speaker 6: was one screen to share amongst all of you.
Speaker 5: Didn't feel good about bringing that back.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that was twenty years ago, But what about
Speaker 2: fifteen years week it would have been okay for you to.
Speaker 1: Watch an R rated film?
Speaker 6: No, I agree, because I was a Monty for a
Speaker 6: devid still around the corner when I was living in
Speaker 6: brand I just emptied it.
Speaker 5: I just emptied it of every it had.
Speaker 6: I was watching old films, I was watching everything, and
Speaker 6: I don't know why Heat was the one that just
Speaker 6: passed me by. I honestly can't figure out.
Speaker 2: Why did the idea because I remember when I saw it,
Speaker 2: and I saw it in the cinema, the idea of
Speaker 2: and it was highly publicized and all the hype was
Speaker 2: about De Niro and Paccino their first scene in a
Speaker 2: movie together. They were of course in Godfather too, but
Speaker 2: never in the scenes together, so because those two stories
Speaker 2: take place in different timelines. So this is the only
Speaker 2: time the first time they'd been in a scene together.
Speaker 2: I think recently they've been in The Irishman together, so
Speaker 2: very and that had me salivating. I was like wow,
Speaker 2: and I just could not wait. And apparently kind of
Speaker 2: on set they were just waiting to do that scene,
Speaker 2: like that was the scene they were waiting for.
Speaker 1: Did that? Did that like?
Speaker 2: Were you a fan of those guys that did that
Speaker 2: have any kind of like obviously you hadn't seen it,
Speaker 2: so obviously you went as time as I was.
Speaker 1: But did that play a hard?
Speaker 5: And then he thinking, yeah, because a couple of things.
Speaker 6: I to watch it on YouTube because I tried downloading
Speaker 6: it on iTunes and then something stuffed up on the
Speaker 6: download and then it's just on YouTube. I was like, okay,
Speaker 6: I'll stick that on the TV. I try to watch
Speaker 6: a big screen as good as you can get.
Speaker 2: I watch all these oh my guests, to watch all
Speaker 2: these films that I don't actually supply.
Speaker 1: Go find heat and watch it. Dave. They made me
Speaker 1: watch Shrek on his phone with his kids. They're actually
Speaker 1: you know, surrounded the phone, like he's just around TV. So, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: you watched it on YouTube. Yep.
Speaker 5: I mean it was that or a hold of vhs
Speaker 5: up to the light and try to go.
Speaker 1: Through the film frame by frame.
Speaker 6: But it's funny because I started watching it and I
Speaker 6: was and it's like, wow, two hours forty right, that's
Speaker 6: this is a big film. And firstly, and I hate
Speaker 6: it too, when iconic films like this then get replicated,
Speaker 6: kind of think about like Top Gun. But I'm like, oh,
Speaker 6: this is the first film that did it, because action
Speaker 6: films now they're kind of bother buy and by the
Speaker 6: Diamond doesn't I don't it sounds flippant, but you know
Speaker 6: what I mean, Oh yeah, it's a fight scene. That's
Speaker 6: every Bond film that's been made in the last ten years.
Speaker 6: You know, like you kind of yawn a bit when
Speaker 6: you're getting through all the initial parts, and I was
Speaker 6: a bit initially, well, the first half of the film
Speaker 6: was like, yeah, I've kind of felt like I've seen
Speaker 6: all this before. And then the dynascene hit because this
Speaker 6: cat and mouse game and usually that happens at the
Speaker 6: end of the film when they see face to face
Speaker 6: and then you get the final showdown.
Speaker 5: But this is they sit here.
Speaker 6: It's not they're holding guns at each other and like
Speaker 6: we finally see the whites of each other's eyes.
Speaker 5: It's this calm. Let's meet at a coffee shop.
Speaker 2: And the way it's set up where he gets pulled over,
Speaker 2: you think, okay, what's going to happen here?
Speaker 1: And he's like, you want to have for a coffee?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the cops saying that you know the criminal
Speaker 2: that he knows is chasing.
Speaker 6: And DeNiro puts his hand on his gun when he's
Speaker 6: in the car, like the house is going to turn out.
Speaker 6: We get the coffee, and that scene is just both
Speaker 6: of them with both barrels. It is Pashino at his best.
Speaker 6: De Niro is looking discuss that got that cliche de
Speaker 6: Niro look on his face like I don't know whether
Speaker 6: uh you know, I want to jump across the table
Speaker 6: and just punch your head in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well it's it's so the biggest e colomy
Speaker 1: you can give.
Speaker 2: That scene is like so many people you know, like
Speaker 2: would look so looking forward to that scene. It was
Speaker 2: so hyped and it completely lives up to your expectations.
Speaker 2: And what I'd love about DeNiro. I think we've seen
Speaker 2: Bachino in these kinds of roles before, but de Niro
Speaker 2: wanted to seeing him in and but both of them
Speaker 2: seeing them in an l A crime story as opposed.
Speaker 2: We associate them with New York so much, but to
Speaker 2: see them in an l A kind of Michael Man
Speaker 2: shoots la like nobody else does, but to see is
Speaker 2: a different kind of criminal than that de Niro had
Speaker 2: ever played, you know, like usually it's in Scorsese films
Speaker 2: and it's the mobster kind of you know, but this
Speaker 2: was like a really measured, you know, minimalist kind of
Speaker 2: performance that you know, he rarely smiles, you know, he's
Speaker 2: just he talks, he rarely kind of loses his ship,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if anything, Pettino is the loose.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he's apparently he there were the character has
Speaker 2: a cocaine habit that it was taken out of the
Speaker 2: sea on the edit. So Pacinas, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: those bursts, and it's Paccino for Bucino in some of those.
Speaker 1: She's got a big.
Speaker 6: Ass Hankazario, he's the voice of most is like, oh,
Speaker 6: I love Yea in that scene and he's she's got
Speaker 6: a grown asst and you got your hair all the
Speaker 6: way up it ferocious.
Speaker 5: And his look is like what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Well apparently ad lib that line.
Speaker 2: So Hanka's Aria's reaction is like juine what.
Speaker 6: Which is fair enough because you do look at it
Speaker 6: and you are going because I've since watched it again,
Speaker 6: just that thing.
Speaker 5: I looked it up on YouTube again. Just look at
Speaker 5: that scene. Yeah, it's really weird, like he's doing it.
Speaker 6: I get it to intimidate Hank's Aria's character, but it
Speaker 6: makes no sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he goes for Pacino in that scene when
Speaker 2: he goes and sees Tone Loake's mate before I can
Speaker 2: see Tone Loak in there. Yeah, if a funky Commadena
Speaker 2: in the background would be nice.
Speaker 5: That ace Ventura that was Tone's acting tree.
Speaker 2: There are some like everyone speaks of about it being
Speaker 2: Pacino and DeNiro's film, and it is, but the cast
Speaker 2: like watching it now, you would have no doubt seen
Speaker 2: been spotting all along. I mean, obviously you've got Val
Speaker 2: kilma in Tom Seizemore is great, actually Jarred, but then
Speaker 2: these people like Jeremy Piven, a young Jeremy Piven, Henry Rowlands. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that Al takes out Henry Rowlands a little bit too
Speaker 2: easily for my liking.
Speaker 6: It's not as bad as The Irishman. When he's trying
Speaker 6: to kick the corner stores. Guy's heading and you can
Speaker 6: tell he's definitely seventy seven. That was a weird thing
Speaker 6: because I had watched The Irishman, but I watched it
Speaker 6: on Netflix. I don't think I did it justice and
Speaker 6: I couldn't get over how old they were.
Speaker 5: I know, I just couldn't get past it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I must say I had a different response.
Speaker 2: I sat down to watch I realized that if you
Speaker 2: look on the internet, there ways you can watch The Irishman,
Speaker 2: and if you're a bit time poor, if you don't
Speaker 2: want to sit down for three and a half hours,
Speaker 2: you can watch it in forty five minute lights and
Speaker 2: they show you when is a good time to kind
Speaker 2: of stop watching it and do it over like three
Speaker 2: nights about forty five to fifty mere minute installments.
Speaker 1: And I.
Speaker 2: Must that was my intention to watch one, maybe two,
Speaker 2: and I just kept watching it and watching it and
Speaker 2: bridgement to better eventually.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I might just got watch a
Speaker 1: little bit more. And I just watched it all.
Speaker 6: So you were into it because I was actually babysitting
Speaker 6: for my neighbors. They're going out to something. I said, cool,
Speaker 6: kids were asleep. I'm just going to watch The Irishman.
Speaker 6: Take your time. But they came back even before the
Speaker 6: film had finished. I was like, you could have kept going.
Speaker 6: I still had twenty minutes left, so I didn't see
Speaker 6: the end, and I wasn't that locked in that I
Speaker 6: wanted to see the end. But the thing is, any
Speaker 6: reason I bring this up is because yes, in The
Speaker 6: Irishman they're so old, and there is a bit like
Speaker 6: and I was watching Hate and thinking, right, they're both
Speaker 6: now about fifty and is the last time you could
Speaker 6: actually go, yeah, they're good looking dudes.
Speaker 5: Yeah like that, you could say they're still heart throbs.
Speaker 2: Then, but you had a Facebook apparently just before filming.
Speaker 2: So but I mean, you're right, they look we've got
Speaker 2: we have we have probably comedy's best impersonator here. I
Speaker 2: wonder you Fortuno Sendla Dave Hughes. I wonder what that
Speaker 2: would sound like. I wonder, gee, you have a big
Speaker 2: gass letters of the rest of the podcast, like this
Speaker 2: man of many voices. But to get back to John
Speaker 2: Boight is in Hankazaria, Amy Breman, who was in Judging Amy.
Speaker 2: I think he's that show she was on Danny Treo.
Speaker 6: I think it's Danny Treo's first acting gig or one
Speaker 6: of the first, right, Yeah, because I did an IMDb
Speaker 6: plunge afterwards and they were saying, I think Michael Man
Speaker 6: brought him on because he wasn't the clink to say, oh,
Speaker 6: this is what it's like. Butylah, that's right, yes, and
Speaker 6: well you're perfect, which is how he's been typecast his
Speaker 6: entire career.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he does.
Speaker 5: He looks exactly like it, like he's perfect.
Speaker 1: Yeah for a crim Yeah, yeah, absolutely right.
Speaker 2: And Dennis Hayes, but Dennis has but when I become
Speaker 2: the President, the African American President in twenty four, he
Speaker 2: plays he's in a diner just on parole, and that
Speaker 2: shit ends up being the And what I love about
Speaker 2: this film is is that the moments. This is a
Speaker 2: good This is a good film that you know, like
Speaker 2: it's two and forty minutes. A lot of people say
Speaker 2: it's too long, or you know what. I don't like
Speaker 2: films that are over two hours so this is a
Speaker 2: great case for a film that rewards you for that time,
Speaker 2: like the effort. It could just be about Puccino and
Speaker 2: de Miro. But the relationships between Vell Kilma and Ashley Jarred.
Speaker 2: I mean that scene when he rocks up at the
Speaker 2: and you think, actually Jud's going to help bring him
Speaker 2: in and she just has a subtle hand gesture.
Speaker 1: He sees it and jives up. It's this it's heartbreaking.
Speaker 2: The scene where Dennis Hays but he's talking to his
Speaker 2: wife and the saying you know how bad he's been
Speaker 2: treated and you're going to see the pain he's in.
Speaker 2: Like that, those are the things as much as anything
Speaker 2: de Nero and Pacena doing that I think make this
Speaker 2: the classic that it is.
Speaker 6: Well, Yeah, because I also liked that the relationships because
Speaker 6: a middlely the female parts are pretty thin, like they're
Speaker 6: just there is like yeah, but that scene like with
Speaker 6: Velken Were and Ashley Judd, like he's you know, he's
Speaker 6: an alcoholic, he's a gambler. She's had enough of him.
Speaker 6: He keeps saying, I'll clean things up. She's obviously like
Speaker 6: it's hanging on by a thread. But that part at
Speaker 6: the end where he turns up, she said, she gives
Speaker 6: that subtle hand gesture. He wised he's not going to
Speaker 6: see his son. He's not going to see her. He
Speaker 6: has to leave because he's been told. That's that whole premise,
Speaker 6: isn't it of heat where they said, yeah, if the
Speaker 6: heat gets too hot, you.
Speaker 1: Have to walk thirty seconds.
Speaker 6: You got thirty seconds to cut everything and walk away.
Speaker 6: And here's that moment where he's like, I have to
Speaker 6: walk away, and he walks over to the guys at
Speaker 6: the basketball court.
Speaker 5: It's like, where can I think?
Speaker 6: He asks for like a diner or somewhere to eat,
Speaker 6: and he's trying to keep it together to be like,
Speaker 6: my life is gone now, Yeah, I have to cut everything.
Speaker 6: And despite the fact you've seen him go through all
Speaker 6: this shit, that's the reality of what he's had to
Speaker 6: go through. Yeah, which is good because then it's not
Speaker 6: just an action film. You're fleshing out these dudes that
Speaker 6: are going, yeah, this is the rod I've made for
Speaker 6: my back.
Speaker 2: Well, it is the best film I've ever seen about
Speaker 2: both sides of crime. You know you got yeah, I
Speaker 2: know Laura and Orders. He's on the TV as far
Speaker 2: as you know the you know a bit of the
Speaker 2: both sides or but heat is it's cops and robbers,
Speaker 2: but it shares screen time. And you know there's two protagonists,
Speaker 2: Veniro and Platuna, both protagonists, and it's it's it's such
Speaker 2: a beautiful film. What you said about the thirty seconds
Speaker 2: and you got thirty seconds when the heats applied to
Speaker 2: you to walk away. That's that's what again rise makes
Speaker 2: it rise about most other films. You know, it's just
Speaker 2: a very it's a very clear idea and you know,
Speaker 2: if you know, if you you know, I'm not sure
Speaker 2: when I first or if I start to think about it,
Speaker 2: but you know that's going to come up. That's going
Speaker 2: to be the dilemma that the character faces at the end,
Speaker 2: which which which it is. And you know, it's interesting
Speaker 2: that Denio kind of he does walk away obviously for
Speaker 2: you know, for his life, but he does and then
Speaker 2: to choose love in a way that it's really interesting
Speaker 2: that the bad guy chooses love and that the cop
Speaker 2: chooses work over his personal life.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's a really interesting thing.
Speaker 2: But that's want to play the part where that's first
Speaker 2: set up Velkilm with DeNiro.
Speaker 1: I think Tom size Moore.
Speaker 2: You know they're talking about where they continue and and
Speaker 2: this is the first time we hear the heat rule
Speaker 2: kind of explained.
Speaker 8: Remember Jimmy macaween and I just to say, you want
Speaker 8: to be making moves on the street, have no attachments,
Speaker 8: Allow nothing to be in your life that you cannot
Speaker 8: walk out on in thirty seconds if you spunk to
Speaker 8: heing around the corner an that.
Speaker 2: So there it is that it comes back later on
Speaker 2: when the two are the diner. And another thing I
Speaker 2: want to just point out, and let's get your thoughts on.
Speaker 2: I think when you're writing a film or coming up
Speaker 2: with a character, one of the things that makes like
Speaker 2: great characters. And every character needs not when I say
Speaker 2: every your main character, you're protagonist.
Speaker 1: They need to be good at something.
Speaker 2: You need to show the audience that this like look Sideways,
Speaker 2: which is one of my all time favorite films.
Speaker 1: Paul G. Marty is a slub.
Speaker 2: You know, you know, he's you know, he's hungover and
Speaker 2: the big scene and he's late for his best mates,
Speaker 2: you know, you know, weakened away.
Speaker 1: He's got to run out.
Speaker 2: In the street and his box of shorts and he's
Speaker 2: you know, he's kind of living a pretty you know,
Speaker 2: not a pretty grotty life. It's easy to have him
Speaker 2: as a slub and he's a failure author, But what's
Speaker 2: he got at He fucking is an expert on wine,
Speaker 2: Like he just knows whine, you know, like, and so
Speaker 2: you kind of relate to that. And this is in
Speaker 2: the Heat. They do it so well, and it's almos
Speaker 2: running back to back scenes. You got the Chino when
Speaker 2: he arrives in the crime scene and he just takes
Speaker 2: control of that crime scene like he is this happened,
Speaker 2: and this happened, okay, and that's what we're looking at
Speaker 2: here and this is this is what happened. Okay, this
Speaker 2: is And then the following scenes de Niro taking care
Speaker 2: of Wang grow and ad middedly Wang Graw does get away,
Speaker 2: but you can just see that he's a man. He's
Speaker 2: a man in control and he's really good at what
Speaker 2: he does. Yeah, And I think that's what I like.
Speaker 2: That's done so efficiently. I think in this movie, it's
Speaker 2: it's it's a it's a joy to watch.
Speaker 6: I also like it reminds me of his character in Any
Speaker 6: Given Sunday, where he's the coach of the NFL football team,
Speaker 6: and he knows he's given way too much to this. Yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, the whole way through, you're watching the disintegration.
Speaker 5: Of his marriage.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and even like that again because Natalie Portman, who's
Speaker 6: also of course, we've got Legit thirteen fourteen or something, the.
Speaker 1: Second film, second film after Leon.
Speaker 5: Wow at fourteen, that's maybe more depressed about my career.
Speaker 1: But then we're not competing against Datlie Boden, I am.
Speaker 1: You don't know me.
Speaker 5: That's on my ambition board. I'll get there. But you know,
Speaker 5: at the end, obviously, yeah, she goes through some trauma.
Speaker 5: Spoiler alert. I guess this whole podcast is a spoiler alert,
Speaker 5: isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yes, And then you should be listening if you haven't
Speaker 1: seen a film.
Speaker 5: We've said this what laughing?
Speaker 6: But yeah, so she attemds suicide round at his apartment
Speaker 6: while they're going through this separation, because you know, his
Speaker 6: wife understands that he just gives everything into just chasing
Speaker 6: these guys around, and he has that great speech where
Speaker 6: he's like, this is what keeps me on the edge
Speaker 6: is what I do.
Speaker 5: I have to be on the edge the whole time.
Speaker 5: But then they patch it up.
Speaker 6: Through that, and she wants to get it all back together,
Speaker 6: like you see what he's got on the line. It's
Speaker 6: not just some woman walking out and going, oh I've
Speaker 6: had enough of you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, And they're trying to bring it back and it's
Speaker 6: like those narratives are really good.
Speaker 2: Yeah that, and it's it's complicated it because you see
Speaker 2: and this is again showing you're you're gonna have Like
Speaker 2: we love flawed characters, but they've got to be good
Speaker 2: at something like Pacena's good at his job, is good
Speaker 2: at his job. He's not great in his personal life.
Speaker 2: He says it's a mess. But the other thing they
Speaker 2: do is just really is great. He cares, you see
Speaker 2: that he cares.
Speaker 1: About his stepdaughter Natalie Portman.
Speaker 2: And in one of the first scene you see him
Speaker 2: making sweet love with Justine I think is her name,
Speaker 2: and then he's, you know, down at breakfast he's inquiring about,
Speaker 2: you know, is this jerk dad gonna arrive this time?
Speaker 1: Does he? Does he know what he's putting her through.
Speaker 2: Another scene where during the shootout which we'll get to
Speaker 2: in US soon, that amazing shootout where Tom Seismore picks
Speaker 2: up a kid and De Niro takes her and he
Speaker 2: gets it, takes it.
Speaker 1: Sorry.
Speaker 2: The Pacino gets the kid to safety, you know, like
Speaker 2: you see that he that he cares, which is also
Speaker 2: is really cool.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I do love as the films towards the
Speaker 6: end and his wife is having an affair with someone
Speaker 6: to just rub it in Pacino's nose, to be like, yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm having an affair because you don't care.
Speaker 5: You don't care about me, and he is just a tool.
Speaker 6: To annoy you and to piss you off, yeah, to
Speaker 6: finally get your attention away from your work. But that
Speaker 6: guy who plays it is the step dad and terminator too.
Speaker 6: You know, he's the one where the T two thousand
Speaker 6: comes and hunts down what's his name, Eddie Fairlong's.
Speaker 5: Like life, but he just plays that schlep.
Speaker 6: The guy that I am always interested in those actors
Speaker 6: that are just typecasting and they're always really lovely guys, yes,
Speaker 6: but they're now like, no, you look like just the
Speaker 6: leech of a human. You can be a part character
Speaker 6: that moves the narrative along.
Speaker 1: We don't even know your name.
Speaker 2: Well, there's the actor he plays Van San's Yeah, I
Speaker 2: know who you're talking about. Yes, so and he always
Speaker 2: plays the creepy guy with no morals. Yes, you know,
Speaker 2: often in a high rise. You know, he's a banker
Speaker 2: or something, and he's really great and these names on
Speaker 2: the tip of my tongue.
Speaker 1: But he is always so great at doing it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's always the Wall Street teflon suited. Yeah, like Prick,
Speaker 6: He's always like I hate it.
Speaker 5: I hate him.
Speaker 6: There's nothing about this guy that there's got good, good
Speaker 6: qualities about it.
Speaker 2: I wonder about those guys they go, why can't I
Speaker 2: play the nice guy?
Speaker 1: I can't play it?
Speaker 2: You know, like they probably love playing those roles, you know,
Speaker 2: they're often better roles, But why can't.
Speaker 1: I What is it about?
Speaker 2: What does it say about me as a person that
Speaker 2: when people see me they think, yeah, you're the slimmy
Speaker 2: Wall Street guy?
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 6: I remember talking to Glenn Robbins about this when he
Speaker 6: is in his ginderbyne what's it No great Lantana Lana
Speaker 6: with Anthey Lapallia. Yeah, and when he walks in Glen Robbins,
Speaker 6: I remember being and that is an amazing film, beautiful.
Speaker 6: I was so engrossed by it, and Glen Robins talks
Speaker 6: in him and goes starts laughing because they're like, it's
Speaker 6: Glenn and he's playing a serious role.
Speaker 1: They expect me to do Uncle Arthur.
Speaker 5: But that's the nice side of it.
Speaker 6: I don't know what it's like to play that guy
Speaker 6: that you know that the sleees bag. But so many
Speaker 6: people want to get photos with you to say, yeah,
Speaker 6: I met him and I hate him. I just want
Speaker 6: to let him know that I really hate his characters.
Speaker 5: He must get that.
Speaker 2: His whole line absolutely so did you were you on
Speaker 2: a particular side? Like, well, what I think is really
Speaker 2: interesting in the movie, like when the shootout happens, is
Speaker 2: it's tense. It feels tense even though you're not sure
Speaker 2: whether you want them to get out or not or
Speaker 2: if you want I just wonder a few different people
Speaker 2: about some people have different opinions. Some people will want
Speaker 2: g Hear to be able to escape and get out alive,
Speaker 2: and yeah, right.
Speaker 5: I absolutely wanted him to.
Speaker 6: And when he takes that detour because he's like, we're
Speaker 6: home free, And there was a moment where John Voyd,
Speaker 6: who is he's kind of go between the conduit to
Speaker 6: all these crimes and sits back in his house, is
Speaker 6: going get everything's fine. When he says, Yep, you're home free.
Speaker 6: There was a part of me, so don't tell me
Speaker 6: he's working for someone else, because it felt like it
Speaker 6: was two Yeah, you know, I felt like they were
Speaker 6: going to pan out and Pasino's there with a gun
Speaker 6: to his head, like tell me where he is. But
Speaker 6: then you think you're free, and then he has to
Speaker 6: go and get way go and has to take it out,
Speaker 6: and I'm like, what.
Speaker 1: Are you doing this for?
Speaker 5: Like you've got the girl, You've got everything?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and how how good is I'm not sure
Speaker 2: the actor's name who plays Wayne grow but jeesus, he's
Speaker 2: he's a creepy dude.
Speaker 1: And who you want Denio to put a ball in
Speaker 1: his chest?
Speaker 5: What I mean? I always laugh.
Speaker 6: I think about this when I remember the first ever
Speaker 6: drama thing I did two thousand and seven for ABC.
Speaker 6: It's got Better Roses, And I think I got the
Speaker 6: gig because I kind of look like Kerry.
Speaker 5: Arms from like I've Got Blue Eyes. She's got blue
Speaker 5: eyes and that's good enough.
Speaker 1: And I was playing this band one Black Dress from Lantana.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it's.
Speaker 5: Just a title.
Speaker 6: And I played this Ben Cousins ish off the Rails
Speaker 6: football player and I was like, I'll commit to this
Speaker 6: because I was young, and I was like, I just
Speaker 6: loved it when you'd hear actors would just go for it,
Speaker 6: and I'm like, yeah, I'll cut my hair, I'll die it,
Speaker 6: I'll get yellow tips, I'll looking sackly for football. And
Speaker 6: it was only after we've done a couple of scenes,
Speaker 6: so I was like, I have to live like this now.
Speaker 6: Like I was going to a friend's wedding, had this
Speaker 6: shocking haircut. You know, it's the stupidest thing I've ever done.
Speaker 6: Because I'm not a major part in this. There's no
Speaker 6: reason for me to do it. I'm not going against tight.
Speaker 6: No one's going well, he's really shaken up since his
Speaker 6: last role, Like no one knew who I was. And
Speaker 6: I looked at Wayangrow and he's a guy who is balding,
Speaker 6: but he's got long hair and it's flowing down to
Speaker 6: his shoulders.
Speaker 5: I'm like, wow, you've you're really committed, because that is
Speaker 5: a terrible haircut. You don't have to live your life
Speaker 5: with that.
Speaker 1: Long hair unless you had extensions. That's actually do.
Speaker 5: You think John Voyd he had extensions?
Speaker 2: Yeah, bel Kilmas looked like extensions. Well, Kilma. Yes, uh yeah,
Speaker 2: I think so. The ponytail, the ponytail, I was. I
Speaker 2: was quite happy when he got the haircut. When he
Speaker 2: arrives and he's he looks more like top secret.
Speaker 6: Val Kilma, remember we talked about this when you see
Speaker 6: come on this podcast and so I'm going to watch Heat,
Speaker 6: and I said, Val Kilma, because what an interesting career.
Speaker 5: Oh man, when he's doing Heat, he is red hot.
Speaker 2: That yeah, and he was making I think Batman Forever
Speaker 2: or one of the Batman films as you was kind
Speaker 2: of like making this as well like that, so it
Speaker 2: was you know, he was he was Batman, so you
Speaker 2: can't get any more white hot than being Batman.
Speaker 5: I loved it.
Speaker 6: I saw an IMDb and it did make me laugh
Speaker 6: where Danny Treyo is talking to him and he said, oh,
Speaker 6: I'm doing Batman Forever and they want me to do
Speaker 6: a sequel, but I don't want to do it because
Speaker 6: I don't want to spend my life wearing a mask.
Speaker 6: And Danny's so and thinking about that when Danny's just
Speaker 6: being introduced to the film industry is an ex connor
Speaker 6: who would be like, how good is this? How easy
Speaker 6: is it to make? Money in this game, if we're
Speaker 6: just doing this, and then he said, yeah.
Speaker 5: I got off at forty million dollars, but I'm not
Speaker 5: doing a sequel. Have you imagine like what.
Speaker 6: I said, Danny Treyo is also and he said, I
Speaker 6: don't want to spend my life wearing a mask. He's like,
Speaker 6: you're a bank robber in this you wear a mask.
Speaker 5: Heaps. He was like, he couldn't put it together. And
Speaker 5: when you look back at it, it's like, it's so true.
Speaker 5: For forty million bucks, I would and it's not your life.
Speaker 2: It's just for the you know, for the length of
Speaker 2: the shoot and as sometimes you're Bruce Wayne, so you're
Speaker 2: not even wearing a mask.
Speaker 1: Then I don't want to spend certain days wearing a mask.
Speaker 5: Because he is well I'm assuming he still is. He's
Speaker 5: an Actor's Actors NFL. Kilmer he went to Juilliard. He
Speaker 5: was like, oh yeah, and like.
Speaker 1: In this he's like.
Speaker 2: I heard Michael Mann talk about he'd watched it a
Speaker 2: couple of years ago again and the thing he noticed,
Speaker 2: he said, the one scene that he would take he
Speaker 2: was he said he actually wouldn't change that much of it,
Speaker 2: to be honest, and which is. You know a lot
Speaker 2: of filmmakers watched it in the garagees, I'll do things differently.
Speaker 1: He's like, I wouldn't change that much. He goes, actually
Speaker 1: the Ralph scene.
Speaker 2: He goes, probably didn't need interestingly enough, I do, like,
Speaker 2: you know, just being reminded of you know, those little
Speaker 2: TVs that used to have, you know, in our kitchens,
Speaker 2: you know that you could carry around with the other.
Speaker 2: Pacina takes with him and ends up kicking out of
Speaker 2: the out of the car. It's also a timing wise,
Speaker 2: it's also a good It's just that kind of period
Speaker 2: where we went from brick phones to like this smaller
Speaker 2: brick phones before like the flip kind of phones came
Speaker 2: came out.
Speaker 1: It was a nice tumblieve, But Michael Man.
Speaker 2: Was saying that he wouldn't he wouldn't change much. You'd
Speaker 2: get rid of the the Ralph scene. And what he
Speaker 2: really loved about watching at you know twenty you know,
Speaker 2: close to twenty years later, would have was watching the
Speaker 2: actor's eyes and how good their eyes are. And I
Speaker 2: might say I noticed it watching it last night in
Speaker 2: the in the Diyna scene, you know, the Nero and
Speaker 2: Pacino and that's like a master class. Even Tom Sismore
Speaker 2: when they've got Wayang grow into the diner before they
Speaker 2: try to kill him, and he just like looks at
Speaker 2: the guy in the cowboy hat because you know, they're
Speaker 2: everyone's underlook and he just kind of looks and looks
Speaker 2: him up.
Speaker 1: But Val Kilmer when again to go back.
Speaker 2: To that scene when he arrives, just like he just
Speaker 2: looks so wounded and and some of that he's got
Speaker 2: to be to make up, you know, like he's been
Speaker 2: in in a file or something.
Speaker 1: But it's not that.
Speaker 2: It's like he just even his body language's almost like stiff,
Speaker 2: like he saw you know, and and his eyes looking
Speaker 2: up to Ashley jarred like that.
Speaker 1: Just when he gets out of the car, he's happy
Speaker 1: to see her, and then.
Speaker 2: He realizes something's not right and he kind of like
Speaker 2: turns around and he starts asking for directions.
Speaker 1: You know, you faking.
Speaker 2: It's just like there's little master classes that are all
Speaker 2: through this this movie.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because the little acting that I have done, I
Speaker 6: realized stillness.
Speaker 5: Is incredibly hard.
Speaker 6: Oh, because they'll say you've got it, You're doing it
Speaker 6: a two hander. How many times are you having a
Speaker 6: conversation do you sit square to the person and look
Speaker 6: them dead.
Speaker 5: In the art.
Speaker 6: You don't do it in normal life. You look away,
Speaker 6: you look around, you're kind of it's very hard to do.
Speaker 6: And they're like, you have to lock in here, and
Speaker 6: especially with the film, if they've got a closer, it's
Speaker 6: your head.
Speaker 5: You can't really move an inch. Moving looks weird.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and so you're locked into that, and you say,
Speaker 6: the expression just has to be these little parts.
Speaker 5: Of the eyes, the smile or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And yeah, that Dyna scene, you're like, especially because realistically
Speaker 6: the whole way, DeNiro is obviously on the back foot
Speaker 6: and the diner because you know, it's Percino's idea to
Speaker 6: invite him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's he's a criminal talking to a cop.
Speaker 6: Yeah, totally, and he's sitting there with disdain, like how
Speaker 6: much do you know? Because Pasino is starting to realize
Speaker 6: how much DeNiro knows.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because that's the cat and mouse thing of that
Speaker 5: back and forth.
Speaker 6: So Pashino has got to be aggressive and Pasino but
Speaker 6: not move that much. Yeah, he can't be he can't
Speaker 6: gesticulate wildly. The camera's really on him.
Speaker 2: Hard, absolutely absolutely, and that in fact, let's have it
Speaker 2: listen to a part of this scene where again that
Speaker 2: thirty second rule the heat coming on you is brought
Speaker 2: up again.
Speaker 3: Okay, told me one time, don't let yourself get attached
Speaker 3: to anything you are not willing to walk out on
Speaker 3: in thirty seconds flat. If you feel the heat around
Speaker 3: a corner, Now if you're on me and you got
Speaker 3: to move when I am more, how to expect.
Speaker 1: To keep her a marriage? That's interesting point. What are
Speaker 1: you a monk? I have a woman? What do you
Speaker 1: tell her?
Speaker 3: I tell her I'm a salesman.
Speaker 2: So then if you spot me coming around that corner,
Speaker 2: you're just gonna walk out on this.
Speaker 1: Woman, not saying goodbye.
Speaker 3: That's the discipline.
Speaker 5: That's pretty vacant.
Speaker 1: It is what it is.
Speaker 3: It's that are we both got to go do something
Speaker 3: else about.
Speaker 1: I don't have to do anything else.
Speaker 2: Neither do I.
Speaker 3: I don't much want to either, neither do I.
Speaker 2: Really interesting thing about that scene they didn't rehearse that
Speaker 2: scene at all. They requested not to rehearse it, so
Speaker 2: they set up to characters basically crush shot it, which
Speaker 2: means you got a camera engineer and a camera on pacino.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you do one side, then you cross and do
Speaker 2: you turn around and you do the other side, but
Speaker 2: they actually just cross shot it the way we're being
Speaker 2: cross shot. Now, hey there, And this apparently the shot
Speaker 2: that the scene it's in the movie is almost one
Speaker 2: take and it's like take eleven and that's the one they.
Speaker 1: Used. But it has to.
Speaker 6: Be because even the background, I'm like looking at all
Speaker 6: the movement in the background, it never changes beat because
Speaker 6: you see so much activity, Like you couldn't you couldn't
Speaker 6: cut to another scene because people would be just slightly different.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: When I didn't seen the movie for a little while before,
Speaker 2: I watched it again last night, and I in my head,
Speaker 2: I forgot that it was such a busy kind of place.
Speaker 2: Like in my head it was like a little almost
Speaker 2: empty diner, not quite empty, but you know, almost empty diner.
Speaker 2: But it's actually quite a you know, it's quite a
Speaker 2: bustling a place there and apparently closed a few years ago.
Speaker 2: That place it was still open and obviously kind of
Speaker 2: tried to make the most out of This is the
Speaker 2: table that I think table seventy one, this is where
Speaker 2: the scene happened. Yeah, closed down a couple of years ago, but.
Speaker 6: It truly is to have it in the middle of
Speaker 6: the film that they're aware of each other. They're kind
Speaker 6: of at a poker game showing the cards to each other.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and they're like, we're still going ahead with this.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this kind of like weird gentleman's agreement, like you
Speaker 6: know what I'm going to do, and he's like, well,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm going to do.
Speaker 5: So here we are.
Speaker 2: And it sets up because you know, like I said, well,
Speaker 2: you know they're going to meet again. It'sn't like you know,
Speaker 2: they do say you know, or maybe we'll never see
Speaker 2: each other again. Yeah, it's a great thing to say,
Speaker 2: but we know because we've seen enough movies.
Speaker 1: To know they're going to meet again. It's not like,
Speaker 1: actually it was true. They never actually saw each other again.
Speaker 6: They said this was out in two VHS's this is
Speaker 6: my half oss Internet research again, but they said it
Speaker 6: was on two cassettes, and so when you watched it,
Speaker 6: the final scene of the first cassette is the dint.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was beautifully timed because it.
Speaker 6: Is because you are like after that, because that's why
Speaker 6: I did feel up until that point like it was
Speaker 6: it was good, it was okay. Once Pisena finds out
Speaker 6: that he's been gamed a bit by them. That's really
Speaker 6: not wrinkle and a twist, yes, but when they're in
Speaker 6: the dining how because even for me watching it on YouTube,
Speaker 6: you know you can pause, you obviously look at how
Speaker 6: much and I'm like, now half the film left, what's
Speaker 6: going to happen? You know, it's impressive storytelling?
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely for me, Like, and I think once you
Speaker 2: maybe watch it the first time and maybe if you thought, okay,
Speaker 2: this could move on and you know, it's It's interesting.
Speaker 2: This has come up quite a bit in these podcast
Speaker 2: session watching older films, and even I noticed that when
Speaker 2: I watched like films from the seventies, like watching a
Speaker 2: conversation years ago Francis for a couple of film Geene Hackman,
Speaker 2: great film, but even like the opening scene is just
Speaker 2: like you know, like a city square and the cameras
Speaker 2: kind of moving you know, around and kind of spot
Speaker 2: people like that they're being spied on.
Speaker 1: And it just feels like it goes for so long
Speaker 1: years like oh, come on, hurry up.
Speaker 2: But like and I thought, like, you know, in the
Speaker 2: eighties and on the ninety six we kind of started
Speaker 2: getting a lot faster with our films, but it's come
Speaker 2: up a lot. Even David, he was saying, we Shrek,
Speaker 2: me thought that was slow, and that's like it's like
Speaker 2: a ninety probably a ninety minute film. Maybe it's maybe
Speaker 2: one hundred minutes. But I think that Shrek move's hat
Speaker 2: a quite a good pace.
Speaker 5: Yawn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I Thinkrek's always a bit of a master class
Speaker 2: and storytelling. But this, I think, once you know, if
Speaker 2: you've watched it, and you have the confidence and you've
Speaker 2: probably been you've been told it's a classic and you
Speaker 2: should watch it. Once you watch it, you can probably
Speaker 2: go back and watch it again and kind of appreciate
Speaker 2: knowing that it gets it does get.
Speaker 1: You know, you can be impatient when you first watch
Speaker 1: a film.
Speaker 2: I watched a joke Whaquin Phoenix, and I say, I
Speaker 2: was like, you know, and I spent a few people
Speaker 2: with thought the same thing, like you about thirty forty
Speaker 2: minutes in going oh, come on, okay, we get we
Speaker 2: get it. He hasn't got friends and he gets you know,
Speaker 2: you know, come on moving along. But then you watch
Speaker 2: it and you know where it goes, and you know,
Speaker 2: I thought it was amazing.
Speaker 1: Phoenix is amazing.
Speaker 2: I watched it again, and I was like, totally comfortable
Speaker 2: with the pace that it actually had.
Speaker 6: It's hard because a lot of tropes have been told,
Speaker 6: like he's a taxi driver, so it's the original man
Speaker 6: just just devolving into insanity. But because that story now
Speaker 6: has been told over the last thirty years, you're like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: he's going nuts. Yeah yeah, So you don't You're right,
Speaker 6: you don't have the patience for it. What I was
Speaker 6: amazed with Heat is that I've noticed when before digital
Speaker 6: came along, because now with digital you can cut so
Speaker 6: quickly move things because it's not going to cost you
Speaker 6: any more. Film we've got gigabytes mega but whatever the
Speaker 6: hell is of space.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. Your fancy terms day. Please.
Speaker 5: I would never get a job at jbhip. I got
Speaker 5: nothing to fall back off.
Speaker 6: But you know, with film, it's obviously like, well, yeah,
Speaker 6: it's going to cost your money. You can't just keep filming.
Speaker 6: But I was amazed. I think that Michael Man was
Speaker 6: trying to shop it around to get someone else to direct,
Speaker 6: and I was like, You've done a really good job
Speaker 6: directing it. It does cut and the action that moves
Speaker 6: along quite well, and if anything, I'm like, oh, Wow,
Speaker 6: you've Michael Bao is a dead of gratitude, I think
Speaker 6: to you, because it's kind of he took the mantle
Speaker 6: then and went right, Well, the camera's now on the
Speaker 6: ground and it's shooting up and we're shooting down and
Speaker 6: we're gotting all this, you know, which Now I think
Speaker 6: sometimes I couldn't watch the Transformer films because I'm like,
Speaker 6: it's cut too much.
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 6: I can almost can't figure out what's going on. It's
Speaker 6: just the CD and everything.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of those films. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: it's just a lot of DC films.
Speaker 2: I find like it's like people some critics complained about
Speaker 2: Star Wars being too busy the latest Star Wars film,
Speaker 2: which I must say I loved, but I thought it
Speaker 2: was quite considering what those films can become, I thought
Speaker 2: it was quite. I had a real sense of clarity
Speaker 2: is what was happening? And and yeah, the let's say,
Speaker 2: the battle scenes, the war scenes, whatever you want to
Speaker 2: call them, compared to the filterization a lot of those
Speaker 2: d C films where it's just like it's just like
Speaker 2: kind of you know, filtered kind of explosions and it's
Speaker 2: you know, it's so much.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because I got halfway through Michael Bay's film, the
Speaker 6: one on Netflix now that it's not Untouchable five or
Speaker 6: something like that.
Speaker 5: It's got Ryan Reynolds in it, right, yes, it's I
Speaker 5: was like, this is too much. Yeah, it's too much.
Speaker 5: Like it's just an action film from Woe to Go
Speaker 5: so much.
Speaker 6: You know, blood splitting here everywhere, cars just ripping through
Speaker 6: this cobblestone streets of Venice and just almost hitting everyone
Speaker 6: over and round tables as people are in the in
Speaker 6: the square, and.
Speaker 5: You're like, oh man, all right enough, you get it.
Speaker 1: That's what I love.
Speaker 2: I loved about The Avengers Civil War? Was that an
Speaker 2: Avengures film Civil War is a great one?
Speaker 1: Or Captain America Civil War? Was it anyway? Whatever? Whatever,
Speaker 1: whether it was an.
Speaker 2: Avengers film where technically a Captain American film, whatever it was,
Speaker 2: that scene at the airport is it's what I love about.
Speaker 2: It happens during the day, and a lot of these
Speaker 2: movies they put them at night because they're a bit
Speaker 2: more kind of they can look nice in the shoot.
Speaker 2: They can have lights in the background because you know,
Speaker 2: to put lights in the background, you know, is you know,
Speaker 2: the heat does have a lot of lights, a lot
Speaker 2: of lights. It's in Los Angeles and they.
Speaker 1: Use that really effectively.
Speaker 2: But to do action scenes sometimes you can hide things
Speaker 2: at nighttime and you know, but they do it in daytime.
Speaker 1: I think is really cool.
Speaker 2: Which also in heat, to come back to heat, that
Speaker 2: shootout scene is just such you know, those are I
Speaker 2: think the two things to get spoken about that the heat.
Speaker 2: The Denner Appatna scene and the shootout scene has become
Speaker 2: like a real kind of classic. It became this also
Speaker 2: film was a huge influence on Christopher Nolan and then
Speaker 2: The Dark Knight. He's kind of like he borrows some
Speaker 2: stuff from you know, a heat with the highest and
Speaker 2: robbery stuff that shootout. What do you think of the
Speaker 2: shootout scene?
Speaker 6: Man, I loved it when because also I like that
Speaker 6: the final heist, it really shows Dannio's character as well.
Speaker 5: What I liked.
Speaker 6: He gets into the bank, they pull their masks down,
Speaker 6: so the guys give me the keys. But then de
Speaker 6: Niro explains that he does everyone go down. Any money
Speaker 6: you get stolen now you're going to get it back
Speaker 6: on insurance, so it's not going to hurt you whatsoever. Yeah,
Speaker 6: And it's like this whole thing of you understand, this
Speaker 6: is where we sit now. So so don't be a hero,
Speaker 6: because so many times in films is always a security.
Speaker 5: Guard that tries to be a hero.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it shows his planning, so he nipped that
Speaker 6: in the bud also shows his empathy where he's like,
Speaker 6: just we can get away with our stuff, you can
Speaker 6: get yours.
Speaker 2: But the other thing he says is if you if
Speaker 2: you need if you're taken heart medication or something like that,
Speaker 2: shit up against the wall.
Speaker 1: Yes, like and that's and that's what I made that works.
Speaker 5: In twenty twenty. Yeah, well lines if anyone's mopping, put
Speaker 5: a sign down, put some that's really great.
Speaker 2: And that shows again like the way but you know,
Speaker 2: you know he's protectively stepdaughter and the girl in that
Speaker 2: in that you know, like de Niro, he has a
Speaker 2: code of honor, ye know, like he doesn't like when
Speaker 2: Waane grow takes those security guards out of their first
Speaker 2: security guard, which leads him to take the second and
Speaker 2: third security guard out, like there's no question he's gonna
Speaker 2: have to be gotten rid of because this is not
Speaker 2: the way we operate.
Speaker 6: Yes, exactly, and even think you know, when he's reading
Speaker 6: the play Velkilma wakes up in his house and his
Speaker 6: house has got nothing in it.
Speaker 5: I love that too.
Speaker 6: His house is this spacious thing in Malibu or wherever
Speaker 6: the hell it is, and you realize behind him there's
Speaker 6: no glasses in the cabinets, there's nothing in the kitchen.
Speaker 5: He's like, if I have to go, I go.
Speaker 2: And that is and I made that note because that
Speaker 2: is such when people you know who maybe just watch
Speaker 2: movies and they don't think they're taking things in. These
Speaker 2: are the things that go into making a film like
Speaker 2: this that you probably realize on a subconscious level like
Speaker 2: this is he lives a minimalist last style because his
Speaker 2: whole thing is exactly what you said thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: I have to go, I have to go.
Speaker 6: And then when Valcima wakes up and he's what's going
Speaker 6: on losing gambling, you can see the wheels are coming
Speaker 6: off for his friend and he's like, sushi, have you
Speaker 6: got a thing on the side is like no, tas
Speaker 6: and he's like no, no, of course not, and he gives
Speaker 6: him a coffee. And then there's that scene that's when
Speaker 6: Hankazari comes into the movie where he finds out there
Speaker 6: having an affair at this bad motel. Yeah, and how
Speaker 6: he then corners Ashley Judd and that code of honor
Speaker 6: again where he's like, I get it, he's a clusterfuck. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I get why you're cheating on him.
Speaker 5: Just stop it.
Speaker 6: If you do it again, or if he does something
Speaker 6: wrong again, continue, He's almost like, these are the rules,
Speaker 6: the moral code that I've lived by.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a great scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a beautiful scene. I think it's one
Speaker 2: of my favorite DeNiro performances.
Speaker 1: I really, I really love it. I really love how
Speaker 1: kind of still is.
Speaker 2: You know, even the scene with Amy Bremham and Edie
Speaker 2: I think that the characters name is they meet and
Speaker 2: he's just like, lady, what are you what because he thinks,
Speaker 2: you know, she might be a cop or that you know, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's probably learning about metals because it's part of his job,
Speaker 2: you know, because they want to break into safes and
Speaker 2: you know, and when he discovers that she's just actually
Speaker 2: trying to make conversation, he apologizes and he starts talking
Speaker 2: to her, and then you know, they make sweet love.
Speaker 1: Not long after them, of.
Speaker 6: Course, because it's it's funny. You'll see, you know, when
Speaker 6: he's younger. You watch like Raging Bull and Denio plays
Speaker 6: in his boxer and when they're coming to when he's young,
Speaker 6: he's a loose cannon. He's throwing plates around, he's cheating
Speaker 6: on his wife, you know, and then it cuts back
Speaker 6: to him as an old man, regretting some of his
Speaker 6: actions doing whatever.
Speaker 5: In heat.
Speaker 6: It's funny because at his age he's quite gristly and sharp,
Speaker 6: like he features all like he's got that hook.
Speaker 5: The nose is almost like an eagle.
Speaker 6: It's like very straight, and he looks now so much
Speaker 6: more like he's been through shit. Yeah, And it's a
Speaker 6: perfect time for him and heat, because he does look
Speaker 6: like a guy's like I've seen stuff. These rules weren't
Speaker 6: just made up. I made him up so I can
Speaker 6: survive the world that I'm in. Yeah, so everything and
Speaker 6: like I mean people doing those poliche impersonations of dinner
Speaker 6: where you pull back and you pull your face like
Speaker 6: what are you doing?
Speaker 5: What are you doing here? But really in that diner
Speaker 5: you can see him like I'm sizing you up.
Speaker 1: More than anything, it's sizing him up.
Speaker 2: And I my read on that is that he sized
Speaker 2: there's they're definitely sizing each other up, knowing that one
Speaker 2: of either I'm gonna probably you know, there's a fair
Speaker 2: chance I'm going to kill you, or you're going to
Speaker 2: kill me, you know. And I think there is a
Speaker 2: sense of like, yeah, trying to sizing up, but there's
Speaker 2: also a sense of this guy is actually really good
Speaker 2: at this job. Like this guy, and you know, we
Speaker 2: would actually probably be friends, yes, in another life.
Speaker 5: Yes, like if we're on the same ledger, if we're
Speaker 5: on the same side of that ledger, Yeah, we would
Speaker 5: be working together.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and there's a mutual respect yeah, of those guys
Speaker 6: totally when you know the scene preceding that where they're
Speaker 6: out at shipping yard, yeah, yes.
Speaker 5: And Danner sets it all up so that, yeah, he
Speaker 5: knows the cops will.
Speaker 6: Come through in fifteen minutes time and he can get
Speaker 6: a photo of and see who they are.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then's like.
Speaker 6: Ah, we've been had, we've been had, an he kind
Speaker 6: of in his idea, he was almost happy, not happy,
Speaker 6: but ah, this is who I'm playing with.
Speaker 2: He keeps I'm saying that these guys are good. Even
Speaker 2: when he gives up and he thinks they're going to
Speaker 2: go that bon voyage motherfuckers. You know, like these guys,
Speaker 2: these guys are good, are too good. There is that respect.
Speaker 2: And even when he does that, and the Nero's got
Speaker 2: him on camera taking the shots, he smiles as well
Speaker 2: as one of the very few times he smiles, so
Speaker 2: he kind of goes, yeah, this guy, this guy's fun,
Speaker 2: this guy's you know, he.
Speaker 1: Knows, he knows that there's a game going on here. Yeah.
Speaker 6: It's like yeah, because when he goes, they've won it,
Speaker 6: They've got it. It's like a you know, tennis player
Speaker 6: after a five set match. He's just gonna go, yeah,
Speaker 6: I gotta shake your hand at the net because we
Speaker 6: both got to the end of this game, even though
Speaker 6: I didn't win.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, there's absolutely respect, and there's.
Speaker 1: That respect you know in the diary.
Speaker 2: Absolutely It's like watching you know, Bob Murphy interview text Perkins.
Speaker 2: You know, just game recognized this game. They played the
Speaker 2: same game. But they're both got excellent at what they do.
Speaker 6: You know, it's like, you know, your complete encyclopedic knowledge
Speaker 6: on film and my baseless impersonations.
Speaker 2: We can see my knowledge on film is not ensychopedic,
Speaker 2: but I I and I did do a bit of
Speaker 2: deep diving. As you know, we mentioned we spoke off
Speaker 2: here that you know, because it's it's it's impossible not
Speaker 2: to you kind of like you're watching it, you're going
Speaker 2: to go, yeah, I want to know more. And one
Speaker 2: of the great joys about doing this podcast is kind
Speaker 2: of going back and watching the films I hadn't seen
Speaker 2: for a while. I mean, like I said, Heat, the
Speaker 2: films we've done so far is probably the one that
Speaker 2: I've seen more than any of the other films that
Speaker 2: we've spoken about.
Speaker 1: But it's it is fascinating when.
Speaker 2: You're kind of watching it, usually watching it for fun,
Speaker 2: but with slightly more analytical and there's a thirst for
Speaker 2: knowledge about what what kind of happened here? And Michael
Speaker 2: Mann like this was a really sweet spot for him
Speaker 2: because I think he made Last the Mohicans before this,
Speaker 2: then he made Heat, and then I think I think
Speaker 2: I got this alder right The Insider, which is another
Speaker 2: incredible film. You love inside it it kind of just
Speaker 2: got shades of like Moneyball in a way, it's got
Speaker 2: closer to Moneyball than something like Heat. It's in that
Speaker 2: it's a story that you're going to go, how is this,
Speaker 2: why is this being made into a movie, you know.
Speaker 1: But Russell Crowe is brilliant. Paccino is in it again.
Speaker 6: You know, there's one thing because I'm surprised I'm watching it.
Speaker 6: I'm like, it's really stood the test at time. You
Speaker 6: can watch it and yes, this thing is like the
Speaker 6: technology on the phones and whatever, but I'm still it's
Speaker 6: still very good.
Speaker 1: It's so good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but the soundtrack is hilarious.
Speaker 6: That's anything that dates it because there's a lot of
Speaker 6: just you know, solo guitars going well where on, playing
Speaker 6: off these little parts so that there.
Speaker 5: Is going to senuate the emotion.
Speaker 2: There's a been of Mobi in there as well. Moby
Speaker 2: has a couple of tracks in there. I think maybe
Speaker 2: before he was kind of Moby like, you know, like
Speaker 2: as big as he became. I think his explosion was
Speaker 2: a couple of years later. I quite like the soundtrack.
Speaker 1: I love the sound track at the end, that kind
Speaker 1: of the score towards the back. But I do know
Speaker 1: you made that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think when he's probably driving before he kicks
Speaker 2: the TV out, there's maybe some guitars, there's a bit.
Speaker 5: Of that going on. But I also like the la aesthetic.
Speaker 6: It reminded me of T two terminated to it reminded
Speaker 6: me of a lot of that. It looks great when
Speaker 6: the big all the freeways in the background.
Speaker 5: The big wide roads.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it looks very still, very kind of there's a
Speaker 6: grittiness to it in New York has a different vibe
Speaker 6: to it. But it did look good or it might
Speaker 6: like die Hard, you know, it's got that talk about
Speaker 6: it in that area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think he shot with wide angle lenses
Speaker 2: and it just meant that he had just a different
Speaker 2: kind of look and everyone's kind of in.
Speaker 1: Place on us.
Speaker 2: He's really close to the characters. But yeah, then he
Speaker 2: made I think Collateral Ali and then Collateral and then
Speaker 2: he kind of pretty as a great run of five
Speaker 2: films right there. And then he made like Miami Vice
Speaker 2: and he kind of it kind of and then he
Speaker 2: made a film there might be one or two after
Speaker 2: Miami Vice because he was he basically was he made
Speaker 2: Miami Advice. Yeah, and then he made the last film
Speaker 2: he made was I think twenty fifteen, a film called
Speaker 2: black Hat. I think it was called, which is about
Speaker 2: like cyber kind of crime. I think I think Chris
Speaker 2: Hamsworth was was in it because I remember going I
Speaker 2: had good for Hamsworth, like my Michael Mann film, and
Speaker 2: I must say I couldn't get through it and it
Speaker 2: didn't go very well. Whether he just was a bit
Speaker 2: too much for him to bite off and true as
Speaker 2: far as how do you do cyber crime? It's interesting
Speaker 2: how don't they just didn't? It didn't quite work, sadly,
Speaker 2: but that was the last tie we made, so hopefully
Speaker 2: there's another one around the corner.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 6: I always liked the ideas when you go on deep dives,
Speaker 6: especially on DB's and Monty for this. Who would have
Speaker 6: played roles if they didn't get those because they wanted
Speaker 6: Pisino and de Niro stayed out of the gates fair enough,
Speaker 6: but they had to have Plan b's, of course.
Speaker 1: And what were some of them? Do you remember?
Speaker 6: It was pretty funny. Some of them were Don Johnson.
Speaker 6: He did say ye Ye, which is which would have
Speaker 6: been great probably for Don Johnson's career, if I gotta
Speaker 6: be honest.
Speaker 5: A couple of them were weird.
Speaker 6: I think was Mel Gibson and Jeff Bridges.
Speaker 5: That's odd.
Speaker 6: But Bell Kilmer's character one of one of the most
Speaker 6: could have been County Reeves.
Speaker 7: Oh yes, yeah, I mean you can possibly imagine that
Speaker 7: that kind.
Speaker 5: Of I mean, I mean it was it's so hard
Speaker 5: to go, you know.
Speaker 2: And when we had Dave on Neil talking about Shrek,
Speaker 2: we kind of because Chris Farley was originally supposed to
Speaker 2: play Shrek, yes, and then he died and then he
Speaker 2: was unavailable. But then there was also.
Speaker 6: Acted how you talked to now speaker like he died,
Speaker 6: so he's unavailable.
Speaker 5: That's in our world, that's what happened. Unavailable is probably
Speaker 5: worse than death.
Speaker 2: Another actors start calling their agents going Farley's dead, What
Speaker 2: roles was he up for?
Speaker 5: During the eulogy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then Nick Cage and I don't think I
Speaker 2: even mentioned this during that podcast, but Nick Cage.
Speaker 1: Was going to.
Speaker 2: Play was offered Shrek, but then he didn't want to
Speaker 2: be portrayed as an ogre.
Speaker 1: And he has since any regretted.
Speaker 2: It, of course, but not realizing you realized how animation works.
Speaker 1: It's not unique, and it.
Speaker 6: Has to be the sweetest gig ever, because if it
Speaker 6: does go into sequels, as we all know, you know,
Speaker 6: then that's when you can charge like a wounded bull
Speaker 6: all your agent can.
Speaker 5: Surely it's very easy.
Speaker 2: Surely, well, we did discussing that I've done a very
Speaker 2: minimal amount of voice work for a movie called Stalks.
Speaker 2: I won't go all into it, but it's a very
Speaker 2: smart you know how they go, this is an Australia.
Speaker 2: We'll give them Australian a role in the Australian market,
Speaker 2: oscillation market. And it is like, it is tough because
Speaker 2: we're talking about how good Eddie Murphy is is Donkey
Speaker 2: and so good.
Speaker 1: It's such a joyous role, and it is it is.
Speaker 2: It is a voice acting is really tough.
Speaker 5: It's a skill onto itself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when it's done really well. I mean sometimes it
Speaker 2: just needs you to act. But when you're doing, when
Speaker 2: you're actually like inhabiting a character and doing a voice,
Speaker 2: you know it's maybe not your own like Steve Carrellas
Speaker 2: grew indespicable me.
Speaker 1: It's an art form.
Speaker 5: Man. It's even because people could dismiss it.
Speaker 6: You go just reading words, which I guess is acting
Speaker 6: as well, but now the words are actually just in
Speaker 6: front of you, so you think, oh, well, what have
Speaker 6: you got to do and you're yeah, but one year
Speaker 6: in that booth, the world's really small. Like when I
Speaker 6: used to do twenty to one, the seminal clip show
Speaker 6: that was on Channel nine.
Speaker 2: Which seems to be hosted by a different couple each
Speaker 2: but eighteen months.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm sure Channel and I doesn't care that
Speaker 6: I'm talking out of school like this because fits hip
Speaker 6: with the ones before us and I did it with
Speaker 6: Aaron Molin and it was great. But they'd be like, oh,
Speaker 6: you can just use the same scripture, like, it's not
Speaker 6: the same. We're not two mates, two dudes hanging out.
Speaker 6: I can't, like, you know, I can't say that. It was
Speaker 6: almost like the level of let him write it, but
Speaker 6: it was almost like a you know, if you tell
Speaker 6: a joke and then there's a nut punch involved in Like.
Speaker 1: No, we're not.
Speaker 5: It's not the same relationship. You can't just plug it in.
Speaker 6: But because we would do because there's twenty two most
Speaker 6: amazing animals, twenty one biggest effects on a movie, whatever
Speaker 6: it was, you have to do so many voiceovers and
Speaker 6: be three hours of voice over. Yeah, plus she was
Speaker 6: in Sydney, so there was a second delay in my
Speaker 6: earphones when we had to work together. It was some
Speaker 6: sort of insanity.
Speaker 5: Pete.
Speaker 6: You would get to the end of that three hour
Speaker 6: session and you are it sounds weird, but your brain
Speaker 6: is fried.
Speaker 5: Yeah, to sincerely get to it, because.
Speaker 6: Those actors would have to do hours upon hours of it.
Speaker 6: You it turned you into it. It's a level of insanity.
Speaker 2: Well, I've just, in fact, last week, done the audiobook
Speaker 2: recording for the latest Frankie Fish book, Frankie Fish in
Speaker 2: the World, World Mess, and you're very good in stores
Speaker 2: in stores now, I can say, and so's I do
Speaker 2: it over two days and it takes about six hours,
Speaker 2: and it and I had to break up in two
Speaker 2: days one because it must schedule. But it was also
Speaker 2: I don't think I could do longer than three hours.
Speaker 2: Like you just end up, yeah turning, your brain just
Speaker 2: goes to mush. You are just like reading it and
Speaker 2: then you are you know, you're trying to get the
Speaker 2: characters kind of right.
Speaker 1: And it's funny.
Speaker 2: The first book we and you wrote it, I wrote
Speaker 2: it and then my words and the first book we
Speaker 2: did the it was in Scotland a lot of it
Speaker 2: and the grandfather in the book is Scottish and he's
Speaker 2: still you know in the book mentions that he still
Speaker 2: speaks with a you know, a Scottish accent, because let's
Speaker 2: face this, they don't lose their accents, and he so
Speaker 2: bloke he was recording it with me and the producer.
Speaker 1: I said, do it a Scottish accent? Now, I know.
Speaker 2: Dave thought, when it comes to accents or impressions, if
Speaker 2: it maybe you should do the audiobooks for me. Uh,
Speaker 2: And I tried one and it was like I remember,
Speaker 2: like it was down. It wasn't I knew it wasn't good.
Speaker 2: But I walked into my son's room and he had
Speaker 2: a playing and I was like, I'm never doing an
Speaker 2: accent again, Like that is this embarrassing? And I'm really
Speaker 2: glad I made that call because the next book was
Speaker 2: set in China. I'm really glad I dropped the idea
Speaker 2: of doing accents. Otherwise I probably wouldn't be doing this podcast.
Speaker 2: In fact, maybe I would be doing Maybe the podcast
Speaker 2: is the only thing I'd been doing.
Speaker 5: We better move some units, guys, this career is over.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, there's no good.
Speaker 2: Before I let you go, one question I do like
Speaker 2: to ask, I guess what was the first film you saw?
Speaker 5: The Labyrinth?
Speaker 2: Sarah, go back to your room.
Speaker 1: Play with your toys and your costumes. Forget about the baby.
Speaker 6: In Pixie cinema in Geelong where I grew up, we
Speaker 6: had the Village Cinema. They were obviously showing the big
Speaker 6: guns and Pixie Cinema was the only independent cinema in.
Speaker 1: The first film was an indie cool, very cool.
Speaker 6: And.
Speaker 5: I yeah, and what's the Labyrinth? Which it was very scary.
Speaker 6: I remember it's still I remember watching it again and going, yeah,
Speaker 6: of course I'm scared by this. This is a bit gnarly,
Speaker 6: like it's a twisted imagination, which for a child is
Speaker 6: not elite.
Speaker 5: And then you know at the start of it.
Speaker 6: There's animals that are picking their heads off and swapping
Speaker 6: it with the other animals or these creatures, and you're
Speaker 6: like that, that's that's a full on concept. That's a
Speaker 6: full on concept that they're taking those things out. And
Speaker 6: Bowie plays a great part, but he you never know
Speaker 6: if he's right or wrong through the whole film, you know,
Speaker 6: because he's he's.
Speaker 5: Sitting on that line of yeah, is he for the princesses?
Speaker 1: Here?
Speaker 5: Not for the princess They're doing all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 5: and it's.
Speaker 6: Got all those ideas that were inspired by Esha. You know,
Speaker 6: that's kind of you know, you're walking but then that
Speaker 6: is it a wall?
Speaker 5: Is it a floor?
Speaker 6: Like it's it's a real noodle twist for a child.
Speaker 6: You are just like I was hiding under the seat.
Speaker 6: I remember being really scared with that. But it's a
Speaker 6: great film, like a lot of those Jim Hensoon ones,
Speaker 6: which is early CGI doesn't stand the test of time,
Speaker 6: those puppets. Yeah, my daughter, my three year daughter can
Speaker 6: watch it.
Speaker 2: Now, what do you you have two daughters one year
Speaker 2: old and three year old, and one year old is
Speaker 2: probably you know, sitting in front of whatever you want
Speaker 2: to anything in front of it. But what are you watching?
Speaker 2: Are you watching any movies with three year old yet?
Speaker 2: And what are you looking forward to watching with her?
Speaker 5: I have we started watching films. Sunday afternoon is film time?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Through both don't call him, don't call him on
Speaker 1: a Sunday film time.
Speaker 6: Sheer laziness on my behalf. You gets into the week
Speaker 6: like I can't be by the parenting anymore. So we're
Speaker 6: going to flick this on. And we've watched a lot
Speaker 6: of dream Works films, Kung Fu Panda, she loves kind
Speaker 6: of food Panda and that is a great film, great,
Speaker 6: very good Shrek. We did you just talked about it
Speaker 6: with dave O Neil in the last app But it's
Speaker 6: a great film.
Speaker 5: And watched Shrek too.
Speaker 6: It's funny because in those movies my three year old
Speaker 6: will sometimes walk away after an hour.
Speaker 5: Because he's just sits three.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well, no, I don't want to see the end of this,
Speaker 6: even if I've seen it. I need closure. I can't
Speaker 6: just stop it here.
Speaker 1: I saw like Toy Store.
Speaker 2: I saw a lot of these films before I had kids,
Speaker 2: Like you know, like Toy Store probably came out in
Speaker 2: ninety five or maybe the same year re Heat, perhaps six,
Speaker 2: and I saw in the cinema and I loved it
Speaker 2: and want to ants by myself.
Speaker 1: And I went and saw really good so too Shrek. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I hate to say it because Seinfeld is obviously any
Speaker 6: comedian would adore Seinfeld.
Speaker 5: B movie is terrible.
Speaker 1: I don't you know. I don't think. I don't think
Speaker 1: I got through it all the narrative.
Speaker 5: I realized I can understand a stand up going through that.
Speaker 6: Maybe I'm drawing maybe conclusions here that aren't there, But
Speaker 6: knowing that he works with Larry David on Seinfeld, and
Speaker 6: maybe Larry took a lot of that you know, the
Speaker 6: spine of the narrative and was knowing this is in
Speaker 6: the middle and end, because you know, as a stand
Speaker 6: up you learn how to write a joke, not a narrative,
Speaker 6: and I felt it with B Movie. I was like,
Speaker 6: this is it's gone off in areas You've made it
Speaker 6: really complicated.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jerry Seiford doesn't.
Speaker 5: Listen, I've realized now out loud, I'm like, there's any situation.
Speaker 2: I thought that the portion of the B Movie that
Speaker 2: I watched was was amazing. I can't wait to see.
Speaker 5: The rest we can edit. This is this going out live?
Speaker 1: What are we doing out live? And then Jerry subscrib
Speaker 1: Oh god.
Speaker 5: That is what am I doing. It wasn't his fault.
Speaker 5: His arm was twisted by who.
Speaker 1: One last one?
Speaker 2: I want to make about heat before we before we
Speaker 2: wrap up it and thank you for your time.
Speaker 1: Is that the end? The end of the film, which
Speaker 1: is great.
Speaker 2: It's it's you know, it's beautifully made, the airplanes and
Speaker 2: the lights, you know, like you feel like you're in
Speaker 2: that kind of moment and how difficult that would be.
Speaker 2: You've got these containers around and you know the unpredictability
Speaker 2: of when the lights is going to come up or
Speaker 2: use and should I should point out all this was
Speaker 2: done in real locations.
Speaker 1: There's no no studio stuff, no sound stages.
Speaker 2: I imagine, Yeah, I imagine because imagine they wouldn't have
Speaker 2: had because I'm shooting at airports is problematic unless they
Speaker 2: set this up somewhere else. So that wasn't actually at
Speaker 2: the airport and they you know, they had this planes
Speaker 2: kind of coming in, but they would have had the Yeah,
Speaker 2: they would have had the time to a degree.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because there's some white shots. It's definitely the airport.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I have to say, I think Neil McCauley,
Speaker 2: he's actually based on a real character. He's actually where
Speaker 2: characters the story doesn't necessarily match up, but they were
Speaker 2: inspired by and there was a guy called Neil McCauley.
Speaker 1: And but the Nero's character, it kind of sucks up.
Speaker 2: You kind of shits the bed as far as that lasts,
Speaker 2: because he's almost got because you remember Pacino Vincent is
Speaker 2: he's almost out in the open and the lights come
Speaker 2: up on him, is exposed. Yeah, the Naro is going
Speaker 2: to behind the one of the containers and he kind
Speaker 2: of comes out and then Pacina's a better shot, so
Speaker 2: he takes him down. But if you had it, you
Speaker 2: would you such a master criminal. And he's you know,
Speaker 2: he's good with a weapon. You think the smarter move
Speaker 2: would have been not to come out. Just put your
Speaker 2: arm around, maybe put your head around and take him out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, shut the bed.
Speaker 6: I agree with you, because you've got you've both got handguns.
Speaker 6: You've got a finite amount of bullets. Yeah, somehow coerce
Speaker 6: that out.
Speaker 5: You're not on the clock?
Speaker 6: Back wait it our like, Yeah, I do agree with
Speaker 6: you because I mean, of course it has to end.
Speaker 5: Get on that.
Speaker 2: I've never thought of it until I watched it last night. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I've seen it ten to twelve times.
Speaker 6: Yeah, in a you're right in a movie that is
Speaker 6: doing the cat and mouse back and forth, back and forth,
Speaker 6: hes trumping each other with their ideas, tricking each other, gets.
Speaker 1: To the end.
Speaker 5: In your it's just a simple rookie mistake.
Speaker 1: It's Rocky Era.
Speaker 6: I suppose he was on the clock. He's trying to
Speaker 6: get back to that plane, isn't he. So I mean
Speaker 6: DeNiro is like, I need to get back to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you killed the blake first, and then you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, if you have to delay your fly You
Speaker 2: delay your flying.
Speaker 5: It's so true. You're trying to get to New Zealand
Speaker 5: or whatever the hell he was going. Yeah, this guy's on.
Speaker 5: You've got a bucket load of cash. He's go, bro,
Speaker 5: just wait at the airport. I'll get here's another thousand bucks.
Speaker 2: The driver will wait. They're very they're very friendly. Kiwi's
Speaker 2: they will wait. You can make other arrangements.
Speaker 5: That's at that time. I don't think they even You
Speaker 5: would have been their first tourist, their first ever in
Speaker 5: ninety five.
Speaker 1: This was Peter Jackson the Ring, so we hadn't discovered
Speaker 1: New Zealand.
Speaker 5: They would have bought Queenstown. Who would have been sitting
Speaker 5: on a nest.
Speaker 2: Egg sitting pretty mate, Thank you so much for watching
Speaker 2: a two and a half hour film for this podcast
Speaker 2: on YouTube, and I do appreciate it. You're a great
Speaker 2: mate and a fine comic. Go see they thought live
Speaker 2: whenever you can, at every opportunity.
Speaker 5: Hopefully supporting Jerry Seinfeld.
Speaker 2: So yeah, if Jerry's listening, he was clearly Joe.
Speaker 1: We all know that. One more one more husy for
Speaker 1: us on the way out.
Speaker 5: Did I really love being It was great? It's pretty good.
Speaker 2: So that you have it another you ain't seen nothing
Speaker 2: yet in the can. Thanks so much us DOINGO for
Speaker 2: watching a two and a half hour film. Let's you know,
Speaker 2: this is a podcast that, uh you know, demands a
Speaker 2: little bit more than other podcasts, and we appreciate it
Speaker 2: putting the time in to watch it. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: I want to thank everyone who's been listening to the podcast.
Speaker 2: We are getting such great feedback and we are stune
Speaker 2: by the amount of people who are subscribing and listening
Speaker 2: to We urge you to keep subscribing, keep favoriting or
Speaker 2: rating it, whatever you need to do. So many great
Speaker 2: emails and I just want to read a couple out.
Speaker 2: Actually this is from Cane Conway. He says, I loving
Speaker 2: the podcast. I just want to say that the Matrix
Speaker 2: is probably my all time favorite cinema experience. A common
Speaker 2: thread seems to be the age and circumstances you saw
Speaker 2: the films and how important they were to you.
Speaker 1: That has come up quite a bit. Well surprised that
Speaker 1: the reaction from both you and Kitty.
Speaker 2: My internal dialogue was screaming the explanation of how it
Speaker 2: all works. Despite that, thoroughly enjoyed the pod was very entertaining.
Speaker 2: He also recommends The Fifth Element as a movie we
Speaker 2: should find somebody for.
Speaker 1: That does not surprise me.
Speaker 2: Kine that they will be yelling at their devices as
Speaker 2: Kenny and I fumbled our way through the Matrix, but
Speaker 2: I am glad he's still found it entertaining. There's another
Speaker 2: message from and Anna Ratcliffe. Hopefully I've got somewhere close
Speaker 2: to your surname. Anna, thanks for emailing at Yasney Podcast
Speaker 2: at gmail dot com. And that says thanks to the
Speaker 2: Bad Podcast. I listened to all the episodes this week.
Speaker 2: I'd love to hear a deep diet on O brother
Speaker 2: where art thou one day. It's one of her favorites
Speaker 2: that she's dished on. How some fresh I see it
Speaker 2: as I watched it too often. I have only seen
Speaker 2: that film once when I came out, and I remember
Speaker 2: being a touch underwhelmed. I'm a big Coen Brothers fan
Speaker 2: that I would welcome the opportunity to watch it again,
Speaker 2: maybe with some older eyes, and maybe maybe I could.
Speaker 1: Maybe I win with different expectations than what the film was.
Speaker 2: And also this and this made me laugh and also said,
Speaker 2: if you see Kitty, please let him know the reason
Speaker 2: the human batteries in the major I said, given fake
Speaker 2: for realities is because the machines found less of them
Speaker 2: died this way. I saw the Matrix at the cinema
Speaker 2: one morning after night at clubbing with a st so
Speaker 2: after most sleep and still shipping, I was heavily invested
Speaker 2: in the storyline and understood it deeply. Perhaps that is
Speaker 2: the secret. That's my favorite email I think we have received.
Speaker 2: You ain't see nothing yet. Thank you so much, an
Speaker 2: suspects you might be right. Also heard from Ryan Shields.
Speaker 2: I actually worked full disclosure. I worked with Ryan at
Speaker 2: the project that we spent many a budget lockdown in
Speaker 2: Canberra together, and I just wanted to say He's thoroughly
Speaker 2: enjoyed the podcast. It's a wonderful celebration of the films
Speaker 2: people love and the different ways we all appreciate film.
Speaker 1: I'm particularly loving.
Speaker 2: The threat of how childhood films follow people through their lives.
Speaker 2: On a recent trip to Canberra with my own kids,
Speaker 2: I did an extra lap of the roundabout outside Parliament
Speaker 2: House just so I could scream look kids big, then
Speaker 2: Parliament in various stages.
Speaker 1: Of delirium age just two and four.
Speaker 2: They didn't get the reference they'll be making sure in
Speaker 2: time they will keep up the great work.
Speaker 1: Look for to more apps. Thanks Brian for to hear
Speaker 1: from you, buddy, and thank you. Yes it is. I
Speaker 1: love the.
Speaker 2: Little community we are already building with this podcast. It
Speaker 2: means a lot, So Yes Ne podcast at gmail dot
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Speaker 1: Also, please let us know where you're listening from if
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Speaker 2: We've seen the data, we know they are listeners all
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Speaker 2: Also Dan Murphy's thanks for being with from day one. Also,
Speaker 2: thank you for helping us get through this lockdown on
Speaker 2: stage four in Melbourne. It's a pretty heavy lockdown and
Speaker 2: we couldn't have done it without you. Well I couldn't anyway,
Speaker 2: So thank you to everyone for listening. Next week on
Speaker 2: the show. It is a cracker. It's one that I've
Speaker 2: been really looking forward to doing. We've done a lot
Speaker 2: of films recently, the Matrix Hate, though I guess not
Speaker 2: moves in the nineties. We are going further back next
Speaker 2: week with an absolute undisputed classic Casablanca next week with
Speaker 2: my co star on howse They Married, the wonderful Nikki Brittain.
Speaker 2: She's a delightous, hilarious, the powerhouse down up comedian and actress,
Speaker 2: and she will join us next week to discuss the
Speaker 2: Humphrey Bogart classic Casablanca.
Speaker 1: Until then, see yea.
Speaker 2: And so we leave all Pete Fansel and to our
Speaker 2: friends of the radio audience.
Speaker 1: We've been a pleasant, good time.
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