WEBVTT - DYNAMIC DUO STATHI AND MATT TALK HUNTED! 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:01.720 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:06.160 TV Reload the podcast last week. Thereby welcome back guys 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:09.000 to TV Reload. My name's Benjamin Norris, and on this 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:12.080 podcast I go behind the scenes with the biggest players 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:15.520 in television. Each episode you will get a front row 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:20.160 seat with content makers like executive producers, writers, editors, and 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:23.800 casting agents, plus the talent that we see on our screens. 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:27.479 TV Reload reloads the shows that you are currently watching 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:30.600 and gives you a better insight into our television industry 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:33.879 and our streaming services. Today on the podcast, I have 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:37.479 Stathian Matt from the new reality series Hunted, the hit 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:40.040 show for Channel ten saw these boys make it to 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:43.760 the end and snag fifty thousand dollars. I have never 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:46.400 done this before, but I have the boys here in 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:50.920 my house, unedited and unfiltered. They had suggested coming onto 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:54.480 the podcast via Twitter and probably didn't expect the invitation 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:58.080 over to my home studio, but here we are. I mean, 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:01.200 what's a couple of x reality TV stars who happen 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:04.280 to be gay swapping stories on how to win reality TV? 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:07.520 Mind you? Hunted is not an easy game and its 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:10.760 format had to be seen to be believed. The Gripping 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:14.560 series provides access all areas to both sides of the pursuit, 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:17.800 resulting in a hard pounding game of cat and mouse 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:21.600 that plays out like a real life thriller. Over nine episodes, 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:24.880 we followed these fugitives, but only two made it to 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:27.800 the end. Today I have one of those guys, Stathi 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:32.120 and his captured teammate Matt, explain everything that happened and 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:34.360 also give away some tips on how to be picked 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:37.759 for series two and how to win the cash. Anyway, 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:40.679 I'd like to welcome Stathy and Matt to my home 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:42.560 and to TV reload. 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:47.520 It's actually an accurate reflection of reality. 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:50.560 Eighteen ordinary Australians. 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:51.880 Who are these people? 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:52.560 What do we know? 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:54.200 Not? 0:01:54.400 --> 0:02:00.560 Everyone you know necessarily fits into stereotypical boxes, relentlessly pursue 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:02.720 by an elite team of hunters. 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:05.680 But like everything in life, there were some people who 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:06.600 weren't willing to help. 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:09.400 I will throw an hundible set of our resources for like, sure, 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:10.600 the police people don't. 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:13.280 Like it your extraction that due to the editing process. 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:15.280 Obviously the country, everything that we did. 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:18.600 And capture, you've been hunted down. 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:21.959 Why would you go somewhere where you go every year, 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:23.960 like it's so predictable. Of course the hunters are going 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:24.440 to be there. 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:26.640 Hey, boys, how are you good impressing? 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:30.880 Yeah, just like embracing and processing and yeah, alive. 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:36.000 Or congratulations on winning Hunted. This is such an amazing achievement. 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:37.400 How do you feel. 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:40.040 It still hasn't sunk in. It's been like barely a 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:42.959 week and we're just catching up with family and friends 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:45.919 and all the love that the community and people are 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:47.200 throwing you away. Yeah. 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:49.560 I think it's been an amazing experience just to even. 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:52.200 Watch it back, catching up with the other fugitives, because 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:54.360 this is such a shared experience that you only have 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:56.880 with them, and we were the only fugues who were 0:02:56.919 --> 0:03:01.519 operating in complete uncertainty. So that's like a lifeline, lifetime bond. 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:04.880 What about the hunters? Do you have you become friends 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:07.720 with them, the people that were trying to track you down. Nah, 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:09.560 Now we. 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:10.399 Love the hunters too. 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:13.799 I'm still trying to find Michelle on social media, the 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:15.040 one who caught me. 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:17.679 I can't find her anywhere. She's just disappeared off the 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:18.440 face of the earth. 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:20.880 Well, if you could track her down, what would you say. 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:24.600 To her probably saying my elbow is doing okay, you'll 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:26.760 ask her for some dead oleids. 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.480 Has this all set up any competitive issues between the 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:33.280 two of you, you know, because as we know, Matt, 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:37.080 you were caught and you managed to win. Has that 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:38.360 been hard between the friendship? 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:41.680 Unpossible because we won and this is a recurring theme 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:44.160 that pops up a lot. But we entered as team 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:46.720 s and m Britney can do nothing without Rihanna and 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:49.360 vice versa. So we made it there at the end 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:51.480 of the team because there is no way I could 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:53.560 guarantee I would have made it at the endipoint started 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:54.680 as a solo competitor. 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:58.520 I think, yeah, it's one of those unique experiences where 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:02.040 I think you go into it, you think you know 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:04.720 what you're getting into, but you've got like one hundred 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:08.320 times like it's a hundred times more real once you 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:11.000 actually get on there and just being having someone else 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:13.880 there to help you through the hard times and bounce 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:14.880 ideas off and. 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:15.880 All that kind of stuff. 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:18.200 And those last few days I may not have physically 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:20.560 had Matt there, but I was constantly thinking what would 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:23.600 Matt do, what's Matt's perspective here? And that's something that 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:26.520 our friendship has built over the last twenty odd years, 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:30.039 where I never pursue anything in life without really bouncing 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:32.400 ideas off Matt. He's like the best mate and a brother. 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:37.440 And I was seeing in a hotel room just rocking, 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:38.679 crossing my fingers. 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:40.000 That's starting. Made it to the end. 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.599 But surely Stafi has tried to laud it over you 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:43.440 a little bit right. 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:46.119 I bought him a coffee. Should be happy. 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:52.039 So tell me what was the application process like for 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:54.400 you both? You know, was one of you wanting to 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:55.440 do this more than the other? 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:58.720 This is where it also gets interesting. Legitimately, we had 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.200 no idea about this show. If you'd spoke to us 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:04.040 eight months ago, did a no hunt? It existed until 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:07.360 a colleague of ours, a mutual friend, contacted us saying 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:10.039 this sounds like your cup of tea. Boys, She said, 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:14.160 adult Hide and Seek applications closed in ten hours. We started, 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:16.880 and we got our applications in within ten hours and 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:17.760 the rest is history. 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.400 But then, what happens after you apply for something like this? 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:23.080 Do they call you and have like a phone call 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:26.120 or a zoom chat like there? Do they get you 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:28.279 to play hide and Seek in a hotel room before 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:29.000 you know. 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:30.960 Now they saved the hide and Seek for the real thing. 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:34.160 We literally got a call like the next day. 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:38.480 Wow, yeah, just sort of sussing us out and seeing, 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:40.840 you know, why I wanted to do the show and 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:41.560 things like that. 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.159 It's important to kind of like, yeah, test that chemistry 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:47.599 and the relationships. You don't want eight best mates in 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:49.919 the show. You need to have a little bit of diversity. 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.960 And that's where they did brilliantly, not just the diversity 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:56.120 of cast in a demographic sense, but even the reasons 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.920 why different people were doing it. Matt and I had 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:02.360 the gay flag that we wanted to hold with pride. 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:05.080 We also had our own reasons for the for the money, 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:07.920 but then seeing other fugues who had like Angie had 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:10.039 her dad who was a fugitive and doing it for 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:12.839 those reasons, and it was just really really beautiful to 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:15.400 connect with the other fugues, just to kind of meet 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:16.799 them and hear their stories. 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:19.480 But do they have to take your word for it 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:22.720 then that you are good at height and see you 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:23.160 any good? 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:30.119 Everyone was good at I love them all. 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:33.320 We've been running away from relationships with third five years. 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:35.599 Surely these cars can get us somewhere. 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:39.600 Has both of you becoming overnight reality TV stares? How's 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:41.280 that helping in the relationship front? 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.279 Every second Grinder message is can you tell Matt to 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:45.240 respond to my message? 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:45.600 Please? 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.560 Well, my DMS. I was excited about this prospect of DMS. 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:52.920 I didn't have Instagram eight months ago. All social media 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.080 world's new to me, my DMS. Can you tell Matt 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:58.960 to respond to my messages? It's like starty exists. 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:03.159 So you've become like his pimp. 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:08.719 Great, take a commission twenty five grand, Matt, I. 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:12.160 Gotta get the money back somehow. So when you got 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:13.840 the call that you were going to be a part 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:16.280 of the show, so how confident were you that you 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:16.840 could win this? 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:22.360 Look, there were we had strengths that we knew, but 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:26.320 we also got the call at the eleventh hour. So 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:28.120 I like to think of us as a bit of 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:32.240 the queer wild Cards and were underdogs. Were the underdogs 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:35.080 and seeing all the other competitors on day one when 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:37.960 you exit the van, you don't get interaction with them, 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:40.680 but that micro second of just that visual you start 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:43.920 creating profiles and you're like, whoa, these are pretty fit people. 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:46.040 Look at the cars on them. They look like they've 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:50.080 got their game strategy. They're decoys happening, So that plays 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:50.920 on your head as well. 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:54.880 Yeah, I think it's just being in that situation and 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:59.440 not knowing anyone's background. Everyone was feeling pretty tight lipped, 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:03.200 the producers for keeping use alves pretty separate throughout the day, 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:06.320 and yeah, it was just kind of trying to suss 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:08.480 out people with energy and just trying to read them. 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:11.960 And I guess, yeah, make up your own stories about them. 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:14.560 I'll never forget just jumping out of that then and 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:17.880 seeing Grace and Sunny Joe in their beekeeper outfits and 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:21.120 I was like, fuck, they are competition. They know a 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.760 decoy better than us, and that disguises killer. 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:26.680 But you're both I know that this is great for 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:31.280 LGBTI visibility, but you both aren't that camp. And so 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:33.800 when you guys made the joke about band camp, I 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:36.400 was like, do they have to remind us that they're 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:39.720 gay because you're not really stereotypical gay books. 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:42.280 But I love that we went there to defy some 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:46.319 stereotypes but also reinforce some because the beauty of our 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:50.160 community is it's such a broad spectrum. We have feminine elements. 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:52.960 We have masculine elements. You don't have to be one 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:55.439 or the other if you choose to, absolutely, But what 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:58.920 we want to represent is that we enjoy a drag show, 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:02.439 We enjoy the arts. You enjoy the creative spaces, but 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:05.760 we don't. We're not defined by that. We also like camping, 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:07.199 we like roughing it, and I. 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:09.920 Think, yeah, that was the whole point of you know, 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:13.200 I mean, apart from playing hide and Seek and possibly 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:16.480 winning the prize, it was just kind of getting out 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:19.600 there and showing maybe a different side of the Quick 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:23.720 community that maybe hasn't necessarily been shown that much on 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:27.839 mainstream TV before, and just showing everyone that, you know, 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:31.439 everyone in their own skin, does what they enjoy, are 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:35.400 who they are, act how they want and all that 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:39.080 kind of stuff, and that not everyone, you know, necessarily 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:43.080 fits into stereotypical boxes. And that's not a problem either. 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:47.160 And when we excel, like we usually generally excel in 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:49.840 the creative and arts, and it's like seeing two gay 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:54.199 men excel in an operational gameplay strategy like that doesn't 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:57.960 have as much visibility as it probably should because there's 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:00.040 a lot of gays out there that love rough and 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:03.800 hiking and engage in different kind of activities, which a 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:07.079 show like Hunted really gave us that opportunity to showcase. 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:10.600 It's interesting because I think we have come a long 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:13.280 way in wanting to be ourselves and I think that's 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:15.720 something that was really quite beautiful about your time on 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:18.400 the show, was that you guys were being authentically yourself. 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:21.040 And I always think with reality shows, regardless as to 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:25.000 what or how the competition is gauged or ranked, the 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:27.199 most genuine people usually win. 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:30.000 Do you know what, I don't think we really had 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:33.360 a lot of time to worry about acting a certain 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:36.520 way or Yeah, I think the pressure and the intensity 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:39.800 of being on a show like Hunted, when you're literally 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:43.839 not necessarily worried for your safety, but you're worried that 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:45.960 the hunters are going to jump out, You're worried that 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:48.640 you're going to get caught. You're always trying to think, think, 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:53.680 so like not being your authentic self would just take 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:55.440 that much more extra energy. 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:57.480 You don't have time for it. Yeah. I don't want 0:10:57.600 --> 0:11:00.000 mean to draw the comparison, but maybe in a concept 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:02.600 like Big Brother, where there's a bit more downtime, you 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:04.680 have opportunities to think oh, how can I play this? 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:08.160 How can I work this narrative? Play that or say 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:11.480 this joke, be the funny dude. But we literally any 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:13.480 spare moment you had you were sleeping because you were 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:17.160 so physically exhausted, because your mind's going as well running, 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:19.680 and because we legitimately had no idea what the hunters 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:21.959 look like, what they were driving, how many there were. 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:24.400 You expect that they're going to be really cute enforcement 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:26.120 military types. 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:29.240 But disappointed that they were disappointed of them. 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:33.439 That wasn't called. He ran towards there can't catch me boys. 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:40.520 So that's how we got comed. Do you think the 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:42.400 fact that you guys are both from Melbourne and they 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:44.640 chose to shoot it in Victoria do you reckon that 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:46.040 was an advantage for the two of you. 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:48.640 I think there's pros and cons to it. 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:52.400 I think the advantages obviously, when you know you're in 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:54.680 the back of this blacked out van and being dropped 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:56.439 somewhere you have no idea where you're going to be. 0:11:57.559 --> 0:11:59.839 That really helped kind of you jump out the van, you. 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:02.640 Start running, You're like, oh, I'm at fed Square and 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:04.120 you know sort of where you're headed. 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:07.200 Then all the lane ways and all those type little 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:11.560 spots in Melbourne that we're familiar with. We like a 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:15.000 lot of the issues or the things that always come 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:18.520 up in conversation about hunted. Everything's like a double edged sword, 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:21.960 because yes, it was advantages knowing the state, but it 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:24.600 was also a disadvantage because we have a footprint all 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:27.199 over the state. We have a support network all over 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:29.960 the state, so it gives the hunters more in order 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:32.480 to track us down. They could look through our socials 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:34.560 and see where we visited and suspect that we're going 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:37.000 to go to places we're familiar with, whereas if you're 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:39.440 in an unknown place, it's harder to make that link. 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:42.199 So a lot of things were a bit of a 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:42.959 double edged. 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:45.880 Sword goes both ways. You know, how did you go 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.000 watching it back? Did you enjoy watching it back? 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:49.600 I really did. 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:53.360 It was I mean, I think due to the editing 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:55.520 process of it is the country everything that we did 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:58.280 and so that was like maybe a little bit sad 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:00.439 because you do want to see everything we did again, 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:04.080 but I think the parts that we did get to see, yeah, 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:06.680 were amazing, and we got to watch it together. 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.560 We organized viewing parties every night, so with our friends 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:12.880 with our family. The final night we hosted at Molly's, 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:15.840 which was amazing, So we had fugues from interstate and 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:18.840 it was just such a great viewing experience. Again just 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:20.880 going back to the format, where as a viewer, I 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:22.920 was scared that the intensity and all that wasn't going 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:25.360 to get captured. But not only was it captured, we 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:27.720 knew the outcome and we were still on the edge. 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:31.640 Of our seats, were like, yeah, we were sitting there 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:35.199 watching started running across the beach to that alicopter and 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:37.200 it went to the ad break and just turned around 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:39.680 and everyone was just like on the edge of their seat. 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:44.040 Because so how many people really knew. 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:46.840 So I had this unique strategy. I had told every 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:50.440 single person in my immediate social circle, so my Greek 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:53.680 family that's seven hundred and just a couple of people. 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:57.160 I told everyone a uniquely different outcome. So I told 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:59.600 some people that was out day one, some people that 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:03.760 we were out in the middle, the different scenarios. Because 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.000 then when news came back to me and someone said, hey, 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:08.280 I heard you got out day one, I was like, 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:10.400 Fasula has been talking. 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:15.600 Oh wow, this is how you won, this is how 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:18.280 it all works out. No one's pulling the ball over 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:21.680 your eyes. And then what was your impression of the 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:24.880 other teams, you know, watching it back? I mean, were 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:28.120 you very critical of other people or were you kind 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:30.840 of empathetic to what was going on because you kind 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:31.520 of understood it. 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:34.000 Absolutely, there was a lot of empathy, but there was 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:37.400 a lot of like like complete admiration for some of 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:40.800 the strategies and gameplays that the others were playing, Like 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:44.400 seeing Grays and Sunny Joe just completely disappear. I was like, 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:46.720 I knew you were competition and you were bringing it. 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:49.120 And then seeing like Nick and Leavinya just go off 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:51.400 the grid and rough it, which was a big part 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:54.720 of our strategy as well. And Rob's talent in the 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:57.840 sky space. It's like, how came up drag cannot compete 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:01.240 with We could try, I wouldn't look any good. 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:03.720 Was it a week that you wore at one point 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:05.320 that made you look a bit like mister. 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:07.080 G oh, look when Chris Lily wants to do some 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:08.760 of heights College on available. 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:12.960 Was it hard for you to set up alliances? We 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:17.120 saw you have an alliance with Deana Curry Frock Hudson. 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:19.400 Was it easy to get people to say yes to 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:21.320 Bang on the show, because it was reported somewhere in 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:25.120 the media that some people had difficulty presetting up those 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.000 alliances because people didn't want to do it. 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:30.600 I think the thing with this topic issue is it's 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:34.720 actually an accurate reflection of reality. In reality, some people 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:37.040 want to help, some people don't want to help. And yes, 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:39.720 there were a lot of amazing people out there that 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:43.560 we are so humbled by their support because they went 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:46.040 above and beyond. But like everything in life, there were 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:48.640 some people who weren't willing to help. And then with 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:51.280 our support network that we had on the show, some 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:55.520 made some errors, some stuffed up, some didn't. That's also 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:58.200 how the real world works sometimes when people are interrogated 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:01.600 by believes verbal diarrhea, everything's on the table. And other 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:04.360 people were good liars just yeah. 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:06.560 I mean some of them did freak out a little 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:10.760 bit and some of them were just completely stonefaced. But 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:12.760 I think like even yeah, just random members of the 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.200 public as we went along, like, well, those. 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:17.520 Two people at the end rhyme, had you met on. 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:19.760 The did you meet on the Japanese Angel? 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:23.160 Yeah? I know, but I did you. Let's just let's 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:25.400 be real here. You knew those two women. 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:28.840 Ryan I knew her two seconds after I met her, 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:32.120 which was on the final day, and I had no 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:34.680 real plan going into that other than I just need 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:37.600 to navigate inland. I can't be on the main strip. 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:40.080 So I was hiking from Cape Pattison the day before 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:43.360 and coming across these two hikers and when I approached 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:45.480 and I said I need help, she goes, I'm a hiker. 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:47.440 I know all the streets. I'm like, wait what, and 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:49.240 she goes. And every day I wake up, I've been 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:51.960 living here in Invelocked for thirty years. I take a 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:54.240 different route, so I know every street, I know every 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:57.440 CCTV camera. I'm like, who are you? I don't even 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:02.160 believe in God above maybe Britney Center. 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:05.280 She was amazing, she really was. And the inclusion of 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:09.000 chill Out, I thought was really great for LGBTI inclusion, 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:11.600 but it also was like you know in those Mission 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:14.800 Impossible movies where all of a sudden they're in Mexico 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:16.639 and they're all of the Day of the Dead and 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:21.840 there's lots of masks and it makes it spectacular movie experience. 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:25.720 And then this made it an amazing TV experience because 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.600 there was all of the drag queens and the color 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:32.119 of the LGBTI community. It was a great way to 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:35.000 be you know. It was a great setting for the finale. Yeah, 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:36.560 it was, and it was it your idea. 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:41.200 We've been going to Chili for forever for such an 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.000 important moment for us, and we discussed it on the show. 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:46.679 Yeah, I mean, it's just it's one of those things 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:49.359 that I think we look forward to every year. We 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:52.000 get to spend a long weekend with our friends. We 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:55.800 get to see old friends and meet new friends and 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:58.639 you know, actually chill out a bit as well, have 0:17:58.640 --> 0:17:59.919 a bit of a relax and just have. 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:03.360 So warm and hospitable and every person we've met there 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:07.560 has just been so gracious and so lovely, and it's 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:11.400 so different to our expectation. We hadn't gone to Mardi 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:14.520 Gras or big parties or the people travel the world 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:16.840 doing all the circuit parties, so chill out was our 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:19.760 first real big gay party and just to have that 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:22.800 experience there. So we were contemplating do we go, don't 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:24.639 we go. It's something we've gone to every year, and 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:27.719 it is risky, but when you're on the run, every 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:30.879 option is risky. It's just about assessing the different levels 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:33.320 of risk. There's nothing that's risk free, so we thought, 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:36.440 if we can pursue something that is risky but also 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:39.280 gives us a lot of value and is special to us, 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:40.639 then of course it's an easy option. 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:43.720 It was the opportunity to be able to maybe see 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:47.359 some friends or see a familiar face when you've spent 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:51.120 so much time on the run and you've basically cut 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:54.919 off from your family and friends. That opportunity just to 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:56.840 kind of give you a bit of an energy boost 0:18:56.880 --> 0:19:00.359 and exactly take you over the last few days. Finish 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:04.960 line that was I guess the main idea behind. 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:07.400 It and showing chill out on National Talivision. Oh yeah, 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:08.680 we could be their ambassadors. 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:11.800 I think Dan R. Crow'd be upset if he missed 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:16.320 out on for reality TV aple to come and stand. 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:19.359