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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda jam Nation. Well.

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Speaker 2: While the Perte government has pushed to make all pokeies

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Speaker 2: across the state cashless, labor has been under fire for

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Speaker 2: its lack of plans on gambling reform. However, yesterday they

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Speaker 2: came to the party with a policy they're promising to

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Speaker 2: push if they win the election in March. To tell

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Speaker 2: us more, Opposition leader Chris Men's Hello.

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Speaker 1: Amanda Jones, good.

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Speaker 3: To speak to you, great to speak you. Can we

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Speaker 3: send Chris to Elton John Or is that I don't

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Speaker 3: want to get you in trouble? Will that be a

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Speaker 3: barrio Farrell?

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Speaker 1: Ye? No, well I'll have to declare it, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: that'd be great fun.

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Speaker 3: We're alowed to do that.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at Tiny D Did he play all their hits?

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Speaker 2: This shows every single song you've ever loved from him.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking at our people. We'd be happy to give

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Speaker 3: you some tickets and it's been declared now that we've

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Speaker 3: declared it as a gift.

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Speaker 2: So how does the cashless pokey system work and why

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Speaker 2: is cashless a better option?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean certainly we need to make sure that

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Speaker 1: that kind of technology works in New South Wales and

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Speaker 1: the reason for the trial is that it's not in

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Speaker 1: operation in any jurisdiction anywhere in the world. And my

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Speaker 1: concern about bringing it in without a trial is that

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Speaker 1: while the best of intentions are that it would reduce

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Speaker 1: problem gambling, for example, it may lead to more problem

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Speaker 1: gambling because the loss of version associated with putting cash

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Speaker 1: into the machine goes away if you've got a card.

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Speaker 1: And that's one of the reasons that we don't allow

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Speaker 1: people to bet on credit in New South Wales. So

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Speaker 1: we're not against it, but I think a five hundred

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Speaker 1: machine mandatory trial with an independent panel that can make

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Speaker 1: recommendations can do the trick. We can test the technology,

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Speaker 1: we can work out how much it will cost. It

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Speaker 1: can make a real difference.

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Speaker 2: Why would people bet less with this card?

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Speaker 1: Well, the assumption is that if you put a daily

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Speaker 1: limit on it, which the government is not proposing to do,

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Speaker 1: then you've got it on a card and therefore it

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Speaker 1: allows the government to make more changes. But I have

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Speaker 1: to say, Amanda that the last time I heard the

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Speaker 1: government talk about this proposal, their daily limit would be

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Speaker 1: fifteen hundred dollars a day, which is about seven hundred

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Speaker 1: grand a year, which is wow. It's much of a

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Speaker 1: whack on problem gambling. But look, we've released our plan,

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Speaker 1: we think it's comprehensive. We want to make sure it's

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Speaker 1: evidence back then I don't want to make sure. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to see us have unintended consequences because we've

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Speaker 1: attempted to try and make a difference, but in the

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Speaker 1: fact it's made it worse. Saw that with Greyhounds and

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Speaker 1: the lockout laws in particular, particularly in New South Wales,

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Speaker 1: where everybody thought that closing down the city, particularly with

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Speaker 1: the lockout laws, would mean that you use extinguished violence

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Speaker 1: in the city, but in actual fact it really hurt

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Speaker 1: the economy and didn't do much for incidents of crime.

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Speaker 2: One of the other things that you've proposed I'm a

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Speaker 2: big fan of this is if you lose your demerit points,

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Speaker 2: you don't have to wait three years to get them back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The reason for that is that you've seen across

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Speaker 1: New South Wales a massive increase in particular low range

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Speaker 1: speeding offenses. So six hundred and twenty thousand people have

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Speaker 1: been booked for a low range speeding offense since November

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Speaker 1: twenty two, twenty and you'd know that you have to

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Speaker 1: wait three four years before you get those demerit points back.

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Speaker 1: So rather than having the stick approach, we want to

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Speaker 1: trial a carrot approach where if you've been a good

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Speaker 1: driver for a twelve month period, we'll give you one

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Speaker 1: point back to be an incentive for good drivers across

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Speaker 1: New South Wales. And it's not just government coming in

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Speaker 1: over the top and taking points away, because I know

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Speaker 1: many people friends and family who've been whacked with points.

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Speaker 1: They need their car to get their kids in school,

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Speaker 1: trade it and their life's been turned upside.

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Speaker 3: Down, end up driving illegally and want something that I

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Speaker 3: really promote at the moment. If you get done between

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Speaker 3: ten and under twenty k's out of the speed limit

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Speaker 3: right now, and if you haven't had a fine for

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Speaker 3: ten years, you can appeal that and it's on your

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Speaker 3: New South Wales app whatever there is the government app

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Speaker 3: you can appeal that and ask for a caution and

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Speaker 3: they'll overturn it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, there's certainly other things that we can trial

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Speaker 1: as well, but I'm concerned that particularly with the massive

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Speaker 1: increase in those kids speeding cameras across in New South Wales,

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Speaker 1: good people that have made small mistakes are being really

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Speaker 1: badly punished. And we've got these demerit point system in place.

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Speaker 1: We need to make sure that that works. But this

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Speaker 1: is a way of saying, it's a good drivers how

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Speaker 1: you get one point back if you do it? I

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Speaker 1: think you know not.

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Speaker 3: I like about you, Chris. You sound like a reasonable person.

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Speaker 3: Will every time we get you on there's always reasonable things.

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Speaker 3: And I like the way you handled the dom Perrote thing.

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Speaker 3: You didn't sit there and say that he's got to resign,

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Speaker 3: he's got to go. You just said, look, he's made

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Speaker 3: a mistake, and that was pretty much it. Although when

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Speaker 3: something like that happens, do you think, oh, please, let

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Speaker 3: not be a picture of me anywhere doing something peep.

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Speaker 1: So when asked me the other day, do you have

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Speaker 1: anything that you want to declare from your twenty Absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: Somebody all want to declare from my twenties. No, I mean,

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Speaker 1: in all seriousness, you know it was a mistake, he

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Speaker 1: made it, but I thought he's apologies was sincere. I

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Speaker 1: watched it on television and I didn't think he was

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Speaker 1: trying to pull over the wool over everybody's eyes. And

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Speaker 1: my sense is people want to make a decision based

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Speaker 1: on what the government's doing tomorrow and today rather than

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Speaker 1: what twenty years ago. And I agree with them, yeah exactly.

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Speaker 3: Although your kids keep putting up pictures of him around

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Speaker 3: the house just to stir you up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my middle boy is just obsessed with trolling me

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Speaker 1: and everybody else. He's got a Dominic Perrote t shirt

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Speaker 1: that he was around the house and causing it. When

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Speaker 1: he comes on TV the other day, this guy, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's in a corner at the moment that that he's

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Speaker 1: going to fight back. You watch it.

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Speaker 3: I think it's time he gets to military school. I

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Speaker 3: think that kids should be saying a military school.

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Speaker 1: Forty schools not out of the question. Now that's its time.

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Speaker 3: Mate. Well Chris, it's always great to have you on

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Speaker 3: the show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us. Thanks Jones, thanks the man

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Speaker 1: all the best.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Leader of the Opposition, Chris means there