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Speaker 1: Jersey and Amanda gem Nation.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: Yesterday the West Australia Premier Mark McGowan said he's quitting.

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Speaker 3: He's stepping down mid term. He's still got two years

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Speaker 3: to go as premier before the next election. This is

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Speaker 3: what's interesting a the timing because he's been such a

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Speaker 3: successful premier. He won fifty three out of fifty nine

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Speaker 3: seats in the last election and that was seen as

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Speaker 3: a key factor in Anthony Alberneze's win. It was a

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Speaker 3: huge pro labor support for him in West Australia. But

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Speaker 3: with two years to go, when do you if you

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Speaker 3: want to pull the pin, when do you pull the pin?

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Speaker 3: Because you don't want to do it just before the election.

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Speaker 2: You need to have.

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Speaker 3: Someone get it in in your place. But what else

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Speaker 3: was interesting was that he said he's quitting because he's tired,

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Speaker 3: rather than the old I'm off to spend more time

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Speaker 3: with my family.

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Speaker 1: Which usually means something else.

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Speaker 2: I've been caught out doing something.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're going to spend more family time. They're either

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Speaker 4: on the take, or they've had an affair.

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Speaker 3: Or maybe they are tired, but you say so, he said,

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Speaker 3: I'm tired. I'm extremely tired. He said the role of

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Speaker 3: political leadership doesn't stop comes with huge responsibility. It's not

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Speaker 3: a decision I've taken lightly. I've been considering it for

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Speaker 3: a while. But how do you accept someone saying they're tired?

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Speaker 3: I think post COVID, we're all existentially tired, We're all exhausted.

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Speaker 3: He's in a big, powerful position, though, is it brave

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Speaker 3: of him to say I'm just tired and I'm stepping away?

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Speaker 3: Just Cinda at Herne did something similar in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: I wonder if it's harder for a woman to say

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Speaker 3: I'm tired, because then you get judged as, oh, women

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Speaker 3: aren't up to jobs like this, because that does not

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Speaker 3: and men have wives behind them, and often those wives

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Speaker 3: are working.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 3: But I heard something the other day that said that

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Speaker 3: women according in an interesting position where women of my

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Speaker 3: generation and younger women we have been told go for

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Speaker 3: the job, explore your all, well not at all, explore career.

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Speaker 1: You can have what they say.

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Speaker 4: That's what I think. That's maybe a self fulfilling thing

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Speaker 4: that women put on themselves.

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Speaker 3: No one can have it all is where everyone's discovering.

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Speaker 3: But we're encouraged, and rightly so, to have careers, but

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Speaker 3: we are still doing the bulk of the work at home.

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Speaker 3: So women are tired. We're all tired. How do you

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Speaker 3: feel about Mark McGowan saying he's tired and stepping away?

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Speaker 1: It's different.

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Speaker 4: So when you just sindo a turn, step down because

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Speaker 4: she's tired. I went up, fair enough, Mark McGowan, I go,

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Speaker 4: come on, mate, it's got two more years. You can

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Speaker 4: do it unless there's something wrong with you.

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Speaker 2: So do you think it's different when the women says it? Women?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Man, definitely? Why you think men should have more ticket?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, that's all men do, man, that's what men do.

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Speaker 3: That. We've got a whole new discussion though around men

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Speaker 3: now and are saying man up and all of that

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Speaker 3: isn't right anymore.

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Speaker 4: But I'm from the era of man up. You're fifty five,

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Speaker 4: but I'm from that era.

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Speaker 2: From the era it's wrong to think like that.

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Speaker 1: For me to think like that.

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Speaker 3: But are you saying those words out loud? Do you

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Speaker 3: think maybe that's outdated?

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Speaker 1: It's not.

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Speaker 4: If he's tired, he wants to step down, it's no

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Speaker 4: skin off my nose. But what I'm saying privately or

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Speaker 4: in my mind, as soon as he said.

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Speaker 1: I said, oh, come on, mate.

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Speaker 4: That's a hard job to get into. A lot of

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Speaker 4: people that want would want to get into that job.

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Speaker 4: You know, you don't take that. It's like this job,

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Speaker 4: this job may like I'm always tired. My life is tired.

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Speaker 3: But we're trying to be more responsible, responsible about how

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Speaker 3: far we push ourselves and in terms of mental health,

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Speaker 3: taking it all on board. We're in fact, it's okay

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Speaker 3: to step away.

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Speaker 1: True.

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Speaker 4: And also I think with his job there's a great

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Speaker 4: deal of responsibility that comes with it, as opposed to

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Speaker 4: this this is just being a commentator that it doesn't

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Speaker 4: really it's not.

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Speaker 1: It's not a hard job you do.

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Speaker 4: There are We have to be careful about what you say.

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Speaker 4: You know, there's always someone that's going to be upset

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Speaker 4: with what you say.

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Speaker 2: But you know it's premiers.

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Speaker 1: We're not PREMI.

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Speaker 3: But so do you think if I said to you,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to do this anymore because I'm tired,

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Speaker 3: that's for enough.

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Speaker 2: Because I'm a woman, right.

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Speaker 1: Come on, come on, you can do it. Had an

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Speaker 1: eyes fover.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that it's different for women and men?

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Speaker 4: Yes, definitely, yeah, And I would I think many men

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Speaker 4: of my vintage would would say that.

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Speaker 3: And do you think there's something wrong with our society

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Speaker 3: that men think that?

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Speaker 1: No? No, I just think it's generational.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're doing something maybe we could change.

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Speaker 1: Possibly, and it should. It will die with me.

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Speaker 4: You know, my generation, the people that were born in

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Speaker 4: nineteen sixty eight are a stoic generation, were raised by

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Speaker 4: fathers that didn't really express love, were raised by you'd

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Speaker 4: go onto a job and if you lost your leg,

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Speaker 4: you'd still have to work. You know, you had teachers

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Speaker 4: that used to beat you. You know, you had all

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Speaker 4: that sort of staff. The kids these days, you know,

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Speaker 4: I envy them. I go, how grades that?

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Speaker 3: But there's a whole lot of men your age who

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Speaker 3: were seeing that that doesn't have to be that way.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be that way.

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Speaker 2: No, So you don't just because that.

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Speaker 3: Was your upbringing doesn't mean that's the modern world through

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Speaker 3: your eyes. I mean a lot of men your age

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Speaker 3: are re looking at this stuff for themselves as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, But mar McGowan's he's a young guy. Now,

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Speaker 1: he's not even fifty, is.

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Speaker 3: He, I don't know, but he's had that tough job

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Speaker 3: and he said, I'm tired and I want to go.

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Speaker 2: We might put this to the.

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Speaker 4: Pub the Telegraph's go go on to town on him.

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Speaker 4: Apparently he's all tugged out by steering his state through COVID,

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Speaker 4: which in wa meant shutting the doors and hiding under

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Speaker 4: the blankets. All that inactivity and isolation can really tire

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Speaker 4: a man.

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Speaker 2: That's not helpful. That isn't helpful, do you agree, Brendon.

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Speaker 4: Look, you know, as I said, as soon as I've

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Speaker 4: read that, I went, you have to have a good excuse,

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Speaker 4: not just tired.

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Speaker 1: You need something bigger than that. Like if j Y

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Speaker 1: Rice said it, I got.

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Speaker 3: But this is our new world that maybe that's all

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Speaker 3: you need to say. We're trying to accept that sometimes.

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Speaker 1: That work's going to get done, then nothing will get done.

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Speaker 3: What's opposite, We push everyone until they have a nervous

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Speaker 3: breakdown and that's okay. The family's in succession just pushed

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Speaker 3: through with no emotions, no feelings, and stab each

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Speaker 2: Other with the life succession without the billions