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Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda

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Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the

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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os It's Thursday,

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Speaker 2: the twenty sixth of January. I'm Sam, I'm Zara Zara.

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Speaker 2: We put out a poll on Instagram about what this day,

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Speaker 2: January twenty six means to people. We've had over ten

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Speaker 2: thousand responses, and the overwhelming majority of our audience thought

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Speaker 2: that this public holiday should be changed or abolished.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly right, and so for the pod today, we

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Speaker 3: thought it's one of those times we should do less

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Speaker 3: speaking and more listening. Obviously, there's no one authority on

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Speaker 3: this day and what it means. But I did speak

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Speaker 3: to someone who has a lot to after this conversation,

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Speaker 3: so we.

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Speaker 4: Don't want to forget it. We don't want to pretend

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Speaker 4: that the January twenty sixth and everything that followed didn't happen.

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Speaker 3: Kimillerroy Man Luke Pearson is the founder and CEO of

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Speaker 3: Indigenous X, which is an Indigenous owned and operated media organization.

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Speaker 4: But for a country to come together and go this

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Speaker 4: is the day we want to celebrate everything great about

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Speaker 4: being Australia is still that celebration of our invasion.

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Speaker 3: But first Sam take us through the headlines.

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Speaker 2: We have a new Australian of the Year with Body

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Speaker 2: Positivity Advocate Tarreon Brumfort taking the position over from Dylan

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Speaker 2: Orcott at a ceremony in Canberra last night. The South

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Speaker 2: Australian documentary director, writer and speaker is a leader of

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Speaker 2: the Body Image Movement, an organization that aims to help

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Speaker 2: people love their bodies. She specifically mentioned working with high

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Speaker 2: school students as a key priority of hers for the

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Speaker 2: year ahead.

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Speaker 5: Little Aussi's describe their bodies as strong and energetic and powerful,

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Speaker 5: and they have genuine love for all the things their

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Speaker 5: bodies can do. This gives me hope that we can

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Speaker 5: get in early and block the shame and despair, create

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Speaker 5: body image safe environments for them to learn, live and

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Speaker 5: play in, and let them live their lives as teens

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Speaker 5: and adults with the freedom that comes from embracing your body,

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Speaker 5: not the illnesses that come with hating them.

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Speaker 3: There is some new inflation data for you. Prices rose

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Speaker 3: by seven point eight percent in the twenty twenty two

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Speaker 3: calendar year, according to the latest data from the Australian

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Speaker 3: Bureau Statistics. Treasurer Jim Chalmers called inflation unacceptably high, but

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Speaker 3: said there were some signs that prices have likely peaked.

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Speaker 2: Communications Minister Michelle Roland has said the federal government will

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Speaker 2: seek more detailed information from dating apps used in Australia.

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Speaker 2: This is all part of the government's effort to identify

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Speaker 2: new safety measures to lift standards across the country. The

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Speaker 2: comments came following a national roundtable on the safety of

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Speaker 2: online dating yesterday.

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Speaker 3: And some good news. There were record numbers of wind

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Speaker 3: of twenty twenty two. The latest darter from the Australian

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Speaker 3: Energy Market Operator amo also found that cold generation hit

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Speaker 3: all time lows. An AMOS spokesperson said this was just

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Speaker 3: a glimpse of the future. Luke, thank you so much

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Speaker 3: for jumping on the pod today.

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Speaker 4: There is a very small rustling that I'd be surprised

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Speaker 4: if you can hear. But it's my daughter eating a

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Speaker 3: Okay, as a starting point, could you just introduce yourself please.

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Speaker 4: My name's Luke Pearson. I'm agom roy Man, living down

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Speaker 4: in a Wobblegool country which is in and around Newcastle Hunter,

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Speaker 4: New South Wales. I'm the founder and CEO of Indigenous X.

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Speaker 3: Can you just tell me a bit about what Indigenous

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Speaker 3: X is in case anyone doesn't follow along your wab

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Speaker 3: no worries.

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Speaker 4: So we're one of far too you entirely indigenous owned

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Speaker 4: So back then, for any listeners who were old enough

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Speaker 4: to remember, the media landscape of a decade ago, Indigenous

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Speaker 4: it still isn't bloody great. So Indigenous X was sort

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Speaker 3: You do amazing work and obviously there is a huge

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Speaker 4: Well, the events of the day, in many ways really

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Speaker 4: a lot of people, I think still think it's like

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Speaker 4: January claimed the colony for New South Wales, and then

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Speaker 4: the colony obviously grew and expanded from there. But for

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Speaker 4: so much of its history, the commemoration of this day

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Speaker 4: Whether you call it settlement, call it colonization, call it

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Speaker 4: celebrate your Aboriginal history and occupation, we want to celebrate multiculturalism,

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Speaker 4: you can't take White Australia Day, make it everybody Australia

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Speaker 3: And Australia Day has only been a national public holiday

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so it used to be like the nearest weekend

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Speaker 3: Earlier, you were talking about the fact that so much

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Speaker 4: How it gets done? There are so many ways you

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Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, no, fair enough, you should have learned

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Speaker 4: If you want to know this history, it is there.

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Speaker 4: And not only is it there, it is accessible. So

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Speaker 4: you know, tell me what you like. Do you like music?

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Speaker 4: Go and listen to to Aboriginal hip hop. They'll tell

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Speaker 4: just hip hop. Doing activist work now, plenty of folks.

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Speaker 4: You like podcasts? As a podcast, you like articles? Come

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Speaker 4: We have gift wrapped it for you and it is

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Speaker 3: And you yourself have done so much of that work.

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Speaker 3: And I was reading a list of things that you

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Speaker 3: and one of them was the burn and Burnham Declaration

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was just a great part of history and

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Speaker 3: And so then, Luke, if the date were to be changed,

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Speaker 3: think that that then will quell the discussions, these hard

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Speaker 4: Right looks And I do think it will happen, and

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Speaker 4: I think it's inevitable as more individuals, local councils, states

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Speaker 4: say we're not having Australia Day parades, we're not participating. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it will. I think it's inevitable, but it won't do

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Speaker 4: because so many white fellows are like, Okay, we get

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Speaker 4: it will change the date and everything will be good,

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Speaker 4: and it's like, you haven't really been bagadgit. I do

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Speaker 4: think the date should change. It will change, but it

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Speaker 4: won't fix things either. And for mob like, it will

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Speaker 4: still be invasion day, it will still be a day

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Speaker 4: of morning. So when people are like, oh, at no

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Speaker 4: pretend like it didn't happen. It's like we don't want

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Speaker 4: to forget it. We don't want to pretend that the

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Speaker 4: January twenty sixth and everything that followed didn't happen. But

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Speaker 4: the day we want to celebrate. Everything great about being

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Speaker 4: Australia is still that celebration of our invasion, of that

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Speaker 3: Look, I just want to finish off with something that

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Speaker 3: for it. I'd love to know whether you have any

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there are so many great I think for me,

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Speaker 4: it's more about have a little checklist when you're looking

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Speaker 4: Whose voices are you listening to? Paying attention to get?

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Speaker 4: How long ago was it written? How many diverse voices

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Speaker 4: does it present? But you know, the core ones like AIASIS,

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I said, mob created content above and be

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Speaker 4: like there's almost a million of us. We have different views,

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Speaker 4: and that's cool, you know, like listen to conservative blackfellows

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Speaker 4: The goal for me is to get to a point where,

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Speaker 4: you know, when people are like, I want to change

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Speaker 4: the date because that's what Aboriginal people want. That's a copyer.

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Speaker 4: Don't put it like if you want to change the date,

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Speaker 4: so and I've been informed by Aboriginal voices in making

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Speaker 3: Luke, thank you so much for your time. I saw

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Speaker 3: you smile a bit at your daughter. At one point

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Speaker 3: I was wondering whether she was still snacking.

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Speaker 4: Did you come We've got another bag of tipsy.

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Speaker 3: The girl after my own. You're a legend.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so so much, pleasure, Thanks so much for

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Speaker 2: joining us on the Daily Yours. We're going to put

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Speaker 2: some links to some of those recommendations Luke made in

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