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Speaker 1: The safety of our community is paramount and these changes

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Speaker 1: Now why did the government decide to make this announcement yesterday?

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess so lost that skin though you've certainly

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Speaker 3: I think, Katie, it's really important to acknowledge that there

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Speaker 1: Trying to prejudice any of those proceedings. So nobody's actually

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Speaker 3: Look, Katie, I acknowledge people feel frustrated and angry. We

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you acknowledge though, that while all of

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Speaker 3: Okay, I think there's been obviously a whole range of

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Speaker 1: I know we're very press for time, and you've got

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Speaker 3: I think, certainly Katie acknowledging that these changes may certainly

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Speaker 3: Katie is in terms of the correctional services, there's no

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Speaker 3: certainly we always are looking at ways of better providing

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Speaker 1: There has also been some data release this morning of

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Speaker 1: doesn't this show that realistically, you know, these bands need.

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Speaker 2: To stay in place.

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Speaker 3: I think Katie, you've missed one important element in that

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, should they stay in place? Should

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Speaker 3: So, just to be clear, Katie, those measures were not

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Speaker 3: previously instated under the Stronger Futures. There are additional measures

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Speaker 2: Ye, So should they stay in place?

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Speaker 3: They are for a time limited period as the Act prescribed,

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about it.

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Speaker 1: Matter for you a holiday to Sydney over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Should you have gone?

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Speaker 3: I think, Katie, I every member of the Legislative Assembly

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Speaker 1: Do you think it was appropriate though, to campaigns for

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Speaker 2: The community was screaming for help.

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Speaker 1: We know that Alice Springs was facing bush fires, there

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Speaker 2: Was it the right move for you to take?

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Speaker 3: Look, Katie, as I've said, members of the Legislative Assembly

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Speaker 3: I attended to. There are other members from Central Australia

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Speaker 3: I think again members are entitled to personal leaves.

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Speaker 1: I guess the difference is though, that you are the

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Speaker 3: What do you say to that I say that there's

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Speaker 3: you reckon it's different?

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Speaker 2: How is it different?

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Speaker 3: Okay, I've demonstrated my commitment to my town that I

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Speaker 2: Do you regret it though? Was it bad timing?

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Speaker 3: Katie? I went for a personal commitment and stayed on

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Speaker 2: All right, Attorney General Chancey Pake.

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Speaker 1: I know that there are some in the community asking

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Speaker 1: making that move.

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Speaker 2: What do you say to them?

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Speaker 3: Okay, I've certainly got a lot more law reform to

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Speaker 3: push through to deliver smarter justice for a safer territory,

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Speaker 3: and that's what I intend on doing.

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Speaker 2: We'll leave it there for this morning.

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Speaker 1: Chancey pag the Attorney General of the Northern Territory. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: your time.

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Speaker 3: No worth Katie, thank.

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Speaker 2: You, thank you.

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Speaker 1: It is just twenty four minutes after nine o'clock. Eight

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Speaker 1: hour coming your way up next well, Robin Lamley, the

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Speaker 1: Independent member for our lun We've also got the Opposition

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Speaker 1: we've got a lot of messages flowing through already.

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Speaker 2: Righting your morning with