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Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was.

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Speaker 2: And in the studio with us this morning from the

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Speaker 2: colp we've got Murray Claar booth Be Good morning to you,

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Speaker 2: Murray Clear.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, and to your listeners.

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Speaker 2: We've got Keesy Apuric from out in the rural area.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Kezier.

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Speaker 4: Yes, good morning, Caddy, Morning bush people. The weather man

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Speaker 4: said it was eighteen and felt like fifteen.

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Speaker 5: How does that work?

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Was it cold out there?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 7: Put my jacket off?

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Speaker 1: What about the dogs? Did they then? Did they wear jumpers?

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Speaker 7: Little knitture jumpers.

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Speaker 5: We just started the.

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Speaker 2: Show and Brent Potter, the member for Fanny Bay and

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Speaker 2: the police minister, good.

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Speaker 1: Morning to you.

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Speaker 5: Good morning Katy.

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Speaker 2: Now we will start actually with a terrible situation that's

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Speaker 2: unfolded earlier in the week. We know Northern Territory police

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Speaker 2: have now located the remains near Palumpa, believed to be

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Speaker 2: that of a missing twelve year old child. Yesterday, as

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Speaker 2: we're wrapping up the show, the police did release information

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Speaker 2: saying that the child was reportedly attacked, as we know,

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Speaker 2: by crocodile in Mango Creek. That was on Tuesday, An

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Speaker 2: extensive search effort was mounted in an effort to locate

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Speaker 2: the child. Senior Sergeant Erica Gibson said this was devastating

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Speaker 2: news for the family, the community and everyone involved in

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Speaker 2: the search. She said police are providing support to the

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Speaker 2: family and community, along with the first responders who attended

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Speaker 2: the scene. Now we know that the girl's death marks

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Speaker 2: the first crocodile attack in the Northern Territory since twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 2: Back then it was when an indigenous ranger was killed

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Speaker 2: in northeast Arnham Land. An absolutely terrible situation for that family.

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Speaker 2: I cannot imagine the heartbreak that they must be feeling

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Speaker 2: at this point in time.

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Speaker 1: Utterly tragic.

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Speaker 4: Any death is tragic, but the girl was so young,

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Speaker 4: you know, a whole life ahead of her and that's

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Speaker 4: now been tragically cut short. And of course the family

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Speaker 4: she no doubt she had brothers and sisters, Auntie's uncles, grandparents,

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Speaker 4: plus the extended community. And you know, I see it's

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Speaker 4: raised the issue again about crocodile culling. And you know

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Speaker 4: there's always going to be risk associated with swimming in

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Speaker 7: Bill Bongs, it.

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Speaker 4: Doesn't matter where, even just swimming around the back of

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Speaker 4: where I live on want to Be Holts. We wouldn't

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Speaker 4: do anymore because we know there's crocodiles there. So it's

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Speaker 4: just it's just a tragic set of circumstances. And I

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Speaker 4: mean there's a crocodile management plan out I think that

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Speaker 4: the consultation, So I would encourage anyone who's listening that

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Speaker 4: has an interest of any kind to look at that

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Speaker 4: crocodile management plan. It's on the film's website. I don't

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Speaker 4: know which one, but it's probably Parks so much, you know,

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Speaker 4: because that does reference crocodile culling. It references a whole

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Speaker 4: lot of other things. But I just, you know, send

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Speaker 4: my sympathies to the family and everyone who knew that

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Speaker 4: the people people who have had to search and risk

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Speaker 6: And I've got kids around that same age, Katy, and

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Speaker 6: I just I cannot even fathom what that would have

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Speaker 6: then obviously the tragic news that she was and you.

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Speaker 3: Know, I have my words about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, I'm happy to stand corrected. But when

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Speaker 2: we caught up with Commander Danny Bacon. Earlier in the week,

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Speaker 2: he had said to us that his understanding was that

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Speaker 2: clinic staff after after seeing her attacked.

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Speaker 1: Is my understanding. So I can't imagine what that would.

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Speaker 3: Be like for a parent.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, horrible, And I think they are actually a bit

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Speaker 5: more informations covered. I think they were swimming there there

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Speaker 5: it's hit them pretty hard as well, because they'd met

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Speaker 5: I know Duran Young's head out, their chief minister and

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Speaker 5: what they can while we continue to find the CROC.

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Speaker 5: I don't believe they're not located yet I don't believe. So.

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Speaker 5: I know we've removed a few other crocodiles and they

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Speaker 5: have the authority to remove this one completely, and I

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Speaker 2: Well, and as you touched on their keys here, it

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Speaker 2: does really reignite every time over the years it something

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Speaker 2: the crocodiles should be culled.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know what the answer is to that.

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Speaker 2: I'm certainly not an expert when it comes to crocodiles,

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Speaker 2: but what I do know is that over the years,

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Speaker 2: and certainly there's a lot of people that listen to

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Speaker 2: this show who've lived here their whole lives, that have

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Speaker 2: grown up here and say to me very often, Katie,

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Speaker 2: there used to be locations where you would go for

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Speaker 2: a bit of a swim or you're.

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Speaker 7: Just all around me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, back of my place, it's King's Creek and Miller's Creek,

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Speaker 4: and they're well known water holes. Any local person knows.

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Speaker 4: You go out there, not so much fishing, just swimming

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Speaker 4: I've got mates who grew up here and they used

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Speaker 7: They were big.

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Speaker 5: We had times different times.

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Speaker 4: And the other thing too, KD is what happens is

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Speaker 4: when the major rivers get full, as in frigatively full

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Speaker 4: more than just lots of crocodiles. Yes, how the crocodiles

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Speaker 5: Strategy does talk about culling, but it also talks about

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Speaker 5: further increase the removal of egg collections. So we're removing

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Speaker 5: more of those eggs that aren't hatched, which is a

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Speaker 5: quite largely they're over one hundred thousand, it stipulates the

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Speaker 5: And yeah, these young kids out there sailing on weekends

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Speaker 5: at the moment in the dry season is a lovely spot,

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Speaker 5: So we do need to look at it. We've put

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Speaker 5: the strategy out there for people to comment on. I

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Speaker 5: would strongly encourage every territory and like Casy is said,

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Speaker 5: to have a comment on our industry will have a

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Speaker 5: particular view, but we've got a way up the interest

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Speaker 4: But I think there's about six or eight crocodile farms

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Speaker 4: at how you cull and where you cull, and there's

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Speaker 4: straight shooting. But then you've got to have people that

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Speaker 5: Was going to happen. I think we need to be

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Speaker 2: What are you thinking, Do you think there could be

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Speaker 2: an opportunity here for some kind of safari hunting or

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Speaker 1: Really?

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Speaker 4: No, you can we could have safari hunting tomorrow if

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Speaker 4: and how it's to be done, safety, et cetera. The

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Speaker 4: they might like to go safarri hunting, but you know,

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Speaker 4: how do you hunt. It's different for pigs.

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Speaker 5: I mean, to hold a crocscull you need to get

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Speaker 5: and I think this always reignites a discussion when we

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Speaker 5: So it does happen infrequently, but it's a stark reminder

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Speaker 2: Absolutely and my thoughts are with that young girl's family. Look,

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Speaker 2: real change of pace when we come back. You are

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Speaker 2: it is a busy week. It's always a busy week

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Speaker 1: If you've just joined us, he's.

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Speaker 2: Got Brent Potter, Kesi Apuric and Mary Clare Boothby. Now, unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: yesterday we learned that Hannaman Restaurant had been broken into

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Speaker 2: for the sixteenth time, so owner Jimmy Chu has had

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Speaker 2: enough after alcohol was stolen by thieves.

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Speaker 1: He'd shared that.

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Speaker 2: Vision on social media we now know that a man's

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Speaker 2: been arrested over that break in at Hnaman in Darwin, CBD.

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Speaker 2: But it's alleged that he'd smashed a window of the

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Speaker 2: with three bottles of liquor just before two am. He

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Speaker 2: was later identified on CCTV and arrested near Monsoons with

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Speaker 2: then taken to the Palmerston Watchhouse, expected to be charged

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Speaker 2: with multiple property offenses. Now, I think the thing that's

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Speaker 2: he breaks the window open, then he goes and has

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Speaker 2: a look and you know, chooses what alcohol he wants.

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Speaker 2: It's such senseless crime, but such a huge impact on

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Speaker 2: a business that's you know, that's a huge part of it.

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Speaker 4: It's the despair that I'm sure mister Shu would be feeling.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he just wants to be a businessman and

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Speaker 4: It doesn't matter the location, if it's close to it,

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Speaker 1: Now we know if thiske was local, or if he

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Speaker 5: Doing here welled to believe he wasn't local. What I

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Speaker 5: But where we can, we're putting more money into be

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Speaker 2: But why should you in a restaurant right, Why should

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Speaker 1: It was all like it was. It was put up

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Speaker 2: Why are we in a situation in the capital city

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Speaker 1: Like to me, it goes back to.

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Speaker 2: You know, you're treating the symptom not the cause, Like

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Speaker 5: I'd say it's four or five different things there, Katie. Yes,

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Speaker 5: same thing with the OCS. But I'm not going to

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Speaker 5: there is a group of people that this is causing

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Speaker 5: And when you're remind we are opening.

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Speaker 2: Up any new rehabilitation centers or any kind of different

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Speaker 5: So we know that managed or forced or mandated alcohol

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Speaker 5: You have to want to change, to go and change.

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Speaker 2: Get the situation like this, how are you going to

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Speaker 1: You've got to have them wanting to change.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, I'll talk you through that, and to.

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Speaker 7: Have it back in the communities where they've come.

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Speaker 5: So so that was the point I was going to

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Speaker 5: We're not going to open the gate to everyone to

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Speaker 6: Brand Morgan has been in hospitality for decades. He's worked

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Speaker 6: They talk about generational change. When businesses and our community

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Speaker 2: I think that it's having though as well, is like

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Speaker 1: It's like there is so many facets to this.

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Speaker 2: But even when you look at the Northern Territory and

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Speaker 2: You know, we want to be taken seriously as a

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Speaker 2: Well, our ice cream shops closing because of the antisocial behavior.

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Speaker 6: Not interested of survey recently which was which we uncovered

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Speaker 3: And that's exactly what Brad was saying.

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Speaker 5: So the opposition would make it sound like crime is

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Speaker 3: Absolutely specifically absolutely just let.

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Speaker 5: Did I not just say those Yes, crime is one

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Speaker 5: That was the point I'm making is that crime is

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Speaker 5: What I can talk to is what we're doing to

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Speaker 1: So I say that those security guards helped.

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Speaker 5: is that at the end of the day, we need

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Speaker 5: to convince people to change their behaviors. And I think

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Speaker 5: what we have to start doing is alternatives to what

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Speaker 5: we're doing with just a remand for example, how it

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Speaker 5: springs get people back on community where justice is served

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Speaker 5: on commune. Give Grood ionics example, they take over the

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Speaker 5: youth justice system. We've seen an eighty five percent reduction

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Speaker 5: youth offending on Grood Island. Now, those are the solutions

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Speaker 5: that will get us the generation.

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Speaker 1: And I get that right, But you guys have held

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Speaker 1: that up as sort of the shining light now for

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Speaker 1: a few years. And I can understand why.

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Speaker 2: But if it is such a shining light, and if

451
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Speaker 2: they've been shining for quite some time, well why isn't

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Speaker 2: it happening again?

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Speaker 5: Learn every community is at the same stage, unfortunately. So

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Speaker 5: we have some community groups to the example where you

455
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Speaker 5: can look and go they've had a mining project, they've

456
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Speaker 5: had many opportunities of financially benefit of community. They've got

457
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Speaker 5: a pool of money to work with. Some communities aren't

458
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Speaker 5: as fortunate as them. We've seen the youth residential as

459
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Speaker 5: facility opened yesterday in Darwin. That is an alternative we're

460
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Speaker 5: using to dondale as a tiered approach. So if a

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Speaker 5: kid's breaching their bail, well we're not just going to

462
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Speaker 5: regrant the bill. You're going to go to this residential facility,

463
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Speaker 5: learn a skill, or you're going to go to the

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Speaker 5: ten and Creek one and you're going to go and

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Speaker 5: do a mustering and cattle work. But if you don't,

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Speaker 5: if you don't comply with that, well then you are

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Speaker 5: going to Dondale. There is consequences. It's not the same.

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Speaker 1: Look.

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Speaker 2: I suppose the problem here that we've got now as

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Speaker 2: well is people feel as though we've been languishing for

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Speaker 2: such a long period of time, right and you I

472
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Speaker 2: do not discount the fact that that's a good announcement,

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Speaker 2: that youth facility.

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Speaker 1: I think, yep, sounds like a good thing.

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Speaker 2: But how have we reached the point where people have

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Speaker 2: almost lost hope before that change is coming into play?

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Speaker 2: And I know that certainly the Chief Minister and yourself

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Speaker 2: have said to me at different times while I'm in

479
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Speaker 2: here now Katie, this is what we're doing. But I

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Speaker 2: think the worry that people got have got is that

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Speaker 2: a lot of your team has not changed. A lot

482
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Speaker 2: of your team is still the same, you know, like

483
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Speaker 2: a lot of the team members that are in there.

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Speaker 2: And if you and Eva aren't there standing up going well,

485
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Speaker 2: hang on, we want this to change. So what's actually

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Speaker 2: going to happen.

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Speaker 5: I think it's an only discussion or a decision that

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Speaker 5: voters can make. What I can tell you is that

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Speaker 5: post COVID, like every jurisdiction is struggling with this, we

490
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Speaker 5: probably a struggling with it more because we already had

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Speaker 5: a significant level of disadvantage from the start. We saw

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Speaker 5: early access to superannuation. During COVID, we saw community lockdowns.

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Speaker 5: We've seen a black market in our colorand spirits increasing.

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Speaker 5: We saw a high police attrition rate which is now down,

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Speaker 5: like we had all these period these things happening at

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Speaker 5: the same time during COVID. It's not an excuse, it

497
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Speaker 5: is a reality. We've got cost of living, we have

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Speaker 5: crime that's impacting tourism. I'm optimistic about what the next

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Speaker 5: couple of years looks like because I can see the

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Speaker 5: figures from Treasury and we'll get on top of the

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Speaker 5: crime piece. The problem we have. People want stuff to

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Speaker 5: change tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately generation we wanted it to change when it started

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Speaker 2: several years ago, and it didn't. You know, I feel

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Speaker 2: as though that's the issue people have got, is that

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Speaker 2: it's been deteriorating for such a long period of time.

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Speaker 2: And now we're forty nine days out from an election

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Speaker 2: and we've got a youth facility opening.

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Speaker 1: Can you see how people are going?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 1: Hang on a sick Why is this happening now?

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Speaker 5: Listen. I can't comment for anything before I was in

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Speaker 5: government because I wasn't there for those discussions. What I

514
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Speaker 5: can to you is from the day that I took over,

515
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Speaker 5: I'd said I did right along as the police. I

516
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Speaker 5: listened to them. I've gone and listened to the Transit

517
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Speaker 5: safety guys. I've listened to the Youth Justice officers, and

518
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Speaker 5: I've said I made commitments to them that I would

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Speaker 5: deliver certain parts. The funding for police is when I

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Speaker 5: made to the Alice Springs and Dale General Duties guys

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Speaker 5: when I met them, and the Youth Justice residential facilities

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Speaker 5: is part of that commitment. I'm can I.

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Speaker 6: Quickly just jump in there. Brent says he is only

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Speaker 6: doing what he has been doing since he's been there.

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Speaker 6: I mean, Brent was also in government when the age

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Speaker 6: of criminal responsibility was increased and this has been a

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Speaker 6: huge problem. Now they're talking about youth facilities which being

528
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Speaker 6: stood up seven weeks out from election. I don't think

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Speaker 6: that any territorian listening out there would have any faith

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Speaker 6: that there's going to be this change that they keep

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Speaker 6: talking about, and literally that's what we hear. We hear

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Speaker 6: lots of words, but there's no real action that follows,

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Speaker 6: or if there is, it's almost like just to save

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Speaker 6: face because there is an election coming, instead of wanting

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Speaker 6: the real time change. I mean, if this government was

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Speaker 6: really serious, they would deal with that age of Crona responsibility.

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Speaker 6: I mean Katie in a suburban Palmeston. Just this week,

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Speaker 6: I had one of the supermarket owners call my office

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Speaker 6: and say that there is a nine year old girl

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Speaker 6: that continues to come into the shop on her own

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Speaker 6: and she's stealing sprays and we know what sprays are

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Speaker 6: used for, and this is about twenty times, he said.

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Speaker 6: He called police and police said they couldn't do anything

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Speaker 6: because she was under age. Right then he called Territory Families.

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Speaker 6: He said, oh, she's not in care, so we can't

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Speaker 6: do anything. So I contacted the Minister for Territory Families

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Speaker 6: because this is not okay. This is a nine year

548
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Speaker 6: old girl. This shop owner is going through hell as well.

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Speaker 6: No one cares about this nine year old and the

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Speaker 6: Minister for the first time since I've been elected. She

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Speaker 6: actually did call my office and leave a detailed message

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Speaker 6: telling me that she would get all these different services to.

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Speaker 3: Get involved and to go out to Palmeston.

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Speaker 6: Now three days later, that business still hasn't heard from

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Speaker 6: those departments.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what something is.

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Speaker 6: In this system and the age of criminal responsibility is

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Speaker 6: something that was pushed through Parliament.

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Speaker 3: Everybody disagreed with it, but Labour decided it was a

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Speaker 3: good idea.

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Speaker 6: It hasn't been a good idea because we still have

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Speaker 6: these issues going on. When those children that are not

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Speaker 6: taking responsibility for their actions get older, guess where they're

564
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Speaker 6: going to end up, you know, with everybody else in

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Speaker 6: the prisons, which is full apparently.

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Speaker 7: Look because people break the law.

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Speaker 5: So I'll deal with the young girl and the crime

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Speaker 5: issue in a second, because that is concerning. And at

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Speaker 5: the end of the day that whether they talk back

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Speaker 5: to whether the territory, families and police call the supermarket,

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Speaker 5: that doesn't mean something isn't happening. And arguably the.

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Speaker 3: Super supermarket is the only point of call, though in

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Speaker 3: this case no.

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Speaker 5: They may know the actual identity of the use, so

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Speaker 5: they may know who that kid is in territories Families

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Speaker 5: is engaging directly with the kid, and arguably there are

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Speaker 5: laws that prohibit them from telling the kid's name and

578
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Speaker 5: telling the sup market what they're doing because of the

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Speaker 5: age of the kid. What I would say is the

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Speaker 5: Royal Commission made their recommendation for twelve. We have absolutely

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Speaker 5: no intention to go to fourteen. So before you say

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Speaker 5: that we have absolutely no intention, are the jurisdiction are

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Speaker 5: going to that same name.

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Speaker 2: I hope we don't because I don't know that the

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Speaker 2: other jurisdictions are dealing with the same issues that we are.

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Speaker 5: Right now, I can tell you're sitting in the National

587
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Speaker 5: Policemenister's meeting and same with the attorney or they are

588
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Speaker 5: all looking at it now. What I would say is

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Speaker 5: that you make the one point about caring for these

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Speaker 5: kids and raising the age is the wrong thing. Well,

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Speaker 5: you're proposing to go back to ten. That will put

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Speaker 5: more kids in prison, so that the point you make

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Speaker 5: about it it means that they can be dealt with,

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Speaker 5: but they're not. So for example, we establish the twenty

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Speaker 5: for our child protection team, We've established a safe place

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Speaker 5: to drop the kids off of. We've now got the

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Speaker 5: youth residential facility. There is more kids in territory families

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Speaker 5: care now, So to say that putting them, lowing the

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Speaker 5: criminal age back to ten, that will put more kids

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Speaker 5: in prison, which arguably we know and we may not

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Speaker 5: agree with everything in the Royal Commission, you know, we

602
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Speaker 5: may not, but there are definitely pieces of that that

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Speaker 5: say you put a ten year old kid in prison,

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Speaker 5: you are more likely to see that.

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Speaker 3: Person out in the prison. Brand stop saying that that's

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Speaker 3: what we will do.

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Speaker 5: That's what you're saying.

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Speaker 6: No, it's about dealing with the the family and the support.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's a nine year old girl. We have

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Speaker 6: to deal with the root causes, the generational change that

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Speaker 6: Labour keep talking about. Like Brad Morgan said, we can't

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Speaker 6: wait ten or twenty years. We've already been waiting eight

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Speaker 6: under this government, those kids are much much older now.

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Speaker 2: One of the other areas I do want to talk

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Speaker 2: about this morning is actually police numbers. Now, this is

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Speaker 2: something we've spoken about at length and it does seem

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Speaker 2: like it's a good move. We've got extra police that

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Speaker 2: are going to be on the beat. Brent, you told me,

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Speaker 2: I reckon it was last week or they graduated last Friday.

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Speaker 2: That there was going to be sixty four police constables

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Speaker 2: hitting the beat. We then had the Police Association join

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Speaker 2: us on the show and say that not all of

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Speaker 2: those constables would be hitting the streets. Thirty three wouldn't

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Speaker 2: be finishing their training for several weeks. Now, the Chief

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Speaker 2: Minister confirming on Wednesday that they're not going to be

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Speaker 2: hitting the streets until July nineteen. Were you being disingenuous

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Speaker 2: telling us that they're all going to be hitting the

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Speaker 2: streets before then when they would?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely? I went back and listened to the transcript. What

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Speaker 5: I told you was that they were graduating on the Friday,

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Speaker 5: and then outlined where they were deploying to. Now now

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Speaker 5: where they've got to do two more weeks of training,

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Speaker 5: two days of training, exactly what that's that's Katie. Just

634
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Speaker 5: to be really clear, they got told where they're going.

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Speaker 2: If I came on the show and didn't tell I've

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Speaker 2: got three weeks of training left, you'd.

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Speaker 5: Say that, Cady. Just well, at that time, I didn't

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Speaker 5: know they had an extra three weeks of training. And secondly,

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Speaker 5: those officers right now being paid as constables, they have

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Speaker 5: a constable's badge, they have all the powers of a

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Speaker 5: constable right now, the Commissioner could even though they're doing

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Speaker 5: catch up training, he could send them to Casarina do

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Speaker 5: an operation. So they are they are fully sworn constables

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Speaker 5: right now. They haven't gone to their posting locations.

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Speaker 1: And do they have to have another like do they are?

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Speaker 1: They all graduated now with their certificates, the situation where

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Speaker 1: they got everything they need.

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Speaker 5: It's basically on the job training catch up they need

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Speaker 5: to do. He's decided to do it all at the

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Speaker 5: college and keep them there because they're all there right now.

651
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Speaker 5: But for example, those palis that got converted to constables

652
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Speaker 5: were actually working as constables at the V eights on

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Speaker 5: the on the two three weeks ago, even before they graduated,

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Speaker 5: so they are fully sworn officers. They could arrest you

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Speaker 5: and I right now.

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Speaker 1: How they were fully sworn they were still working V eights.

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Speaker 5: I got photos of them. Started the chiefness. I think

658
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Speaker 5: you guys bumped into them as well, like they're fully

659
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Speaker 5: sworn officers. I think it is a bit ingenuous to

660
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Speaker 5: argue this amountings in the three weeks. I get the point.

661
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Speaker 5: At the time I didn't know, but in saying that me,

662
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Speaker 5: the Chief Minister the NTPA and the leader of the

663
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Speaker 5: opposition were all the graduation.

664
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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. Nathan Finn was very open and honest

665
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Speaker 1: about that, and it.

666
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 2: Said exactly that, and the commissioner made so it was

667
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: thirty three of them that weren't actually finished their training.

668
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Speaker 5: And as I spoke to the commissioner and I went

669
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Speaker 5: back and triple checked after I heard your segment, he goes, no,

670
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Speaker 5: I can de pour them right now anywhere, Like they're

671
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Speaker 5: doing cash up training and every year for example, what's.

672
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Speaker 1: The use of the training if they can get out

673
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Speaker 1: there on the beat. Now, why they're doing it this?

674
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Speaker 5: Well, arguably, I'm sure if they wanted to, they could

675
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Speaker 5: take the liability.

676
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Speaker 7: But they've got the cogislation they've got to learn in

677
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Speaker 7: some parts.

678
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, look, I don't.

679
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Speaker 2: Have an issue with them doing training, nor do I

680
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Speaker 2: have an issue with them being out and obviously going

681
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Speaker 2: you know the fact that they had to go to

682
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Speaker 2: Alice Springs to help out and do that extra curfew,

683
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Speaker 2: do the extra curfew stuff, and that being the setback

684
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Speaker 2: for their training. But I mean the question here is

685
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Speaker 2: was it a situation really where the government a few

686
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Speaker 2: weeks out from election seven weeks out from an election

687
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Speaker 2: for you as the police minister, trying to make it

688
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 2: seem as though there's more police out there faster than.

689
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Speaker 1: What they really are.

690
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Speaker 5: Well, no, we're paying for them as consortable. So I mean,

691
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Speaker 5: I arguably, if you'd ask me the police numbers right now,

692
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Speaker 5: I'd tell you that we're at that number, including them now.

693
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Speaker 5: If they're not fully trained, well, they're fully sworn officers.

694
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Speaker 5: Cadie Like, we can go back and forth on this,

695
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Speaker 5: but at the end of the day, an example would

696
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Speaker 5: be every year they have to go and recertify where

697
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 5: every companies have to rectify on their firearm. Until they

698
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Speaker 5: do that recertification, does that mean that they're not fully

699
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Speaker 5: sworn officers for the period of time they're waiting Like

700
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Speaker 5: it's a.

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Speaker 1: Different because they've already done all their training.

702
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Speaker 5: Tomorrow the commissioner could deploy them to curfew as an example,

703
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Speaker 5: and may be fully sworp wo our fully sworn officers

704
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Speaker 5: and they just go off. I mean at the time,

705
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Speaker 5: I didn't know they had two or three more weeks

706
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Speaker 5: worth of training to catch up on because the curfew

707
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 5: they graduate on Friday. We're paying them as constable as

708
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 5: we could deploy them tomorrow.

709
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Speaker 2: Well, look, I'm certainly not the judge, jury and executive

710
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Speaker 2: of everything.

711
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Speaker 1: I'll let listeners make up their own what they think.

712
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Speaker 6: But also if you add to that too, that there's

713
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 6: been a bit of smoke and mirrors about the attrition

714
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 6: rate as well, and Nathan Finn came out and talked

715
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Speaker 6: about how you know, he disputed the figures that the

716
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 6: minister right here, sitting here was talking about. So I

717
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 6: don't know, like it just seems to be adding up.

718
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 6: There's a lot of words, like I keep saying, a

719
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 6: lot of information out there that just seems to be

720
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Speaker 6: to try and you know, say what territorians want to

721
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 6: hear instead of.

722
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Speaker 3: What the truth actually is.

723
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Speaker 5: Can I answer that? So I actually just think you

724
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 5: don't have to ask though you can't.

725
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 3: Well, I just sure, Tony.

726
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 5: Anyhow, So what Nathan Finn came out in the NTPA

727
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 5: is they went March to March. No one measures attrition

728
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 5: based on March to March. It is financial years, so

729
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 5: it is a financial do your and your report on

730
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Speaker 5: at the time I made the declaration of thirty first

731
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 5: to March in estimates which I'm accountable to the House

732
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 5: on I was very clear on that. I made it

733
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 5: on the parliamentary record. Six point one four percent, a

734
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 5: fantastic attrition rate from the start of July last year

735
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Speaker 5: to thirty one March. He's gone and fudge the numbers

736
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 5: and use March to March. So he's used a twelve

737
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Speaker 5: month period outside the reporting period because the March numbers

738
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Speaker 5: from twenty twenty three were used in last financial years

739
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Speaker 5: report say.

740
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Speaker 2: Police numbers have been something that has been a point

741
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 2: of contention right from when Michael Gunner was in opposition,

742
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: right and right from when the promise was made of

743
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty additional police which ever, whoever.

744
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 4: Made us, Yes, Terry Mills time, there was a promise

745
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 4: of one hundred and twenty. I don't know why this

746
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 4: magical hundred and twenty comes from, but.

747
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 5: I can tell you where it came from. No.

748
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 7: One hundred and twenty and fifty.

749
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Speaker 1: We don't we need more than two hundred.

750
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Speaker 5: Listen, there's a bit of an understanding of what happened. Yes,

751
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Speaker 5: Terry Mills committed to one hundred and twenty extra police officers,

752
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 5: didn't They said that there was There was a letter

753
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 5: from the NTPA in that term of government saying how

754
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 5: disappointed they were they didn't get it. We did get

755
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 5: that one twenty across the line nineteen.

756
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Speaker 1: It was where there was the point of contention though

757
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Speaker 1: again when you guys came in where yeah, where that's yes.

758
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: So there was different figures being used. And this is

759
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Speaker 1: the point that I'm making.

760
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Speaker 2: Even with the figures that you're talking about now and

761
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Speaker 2: what Nathan Finn's talking about, I don't think anybody is

762
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Speaker 2: ever going to be you know fully well fully sort

763
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Speaker 2: of in absolute agreement on those police I tell you,

764
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 2: the only time when people won't care about those police

765
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Speaker 2: numbers is when they feel as though there's enough police

766
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: on the street. And that is fundamentally what it comes

767
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Speaker 2: down to, right. We want to make sure that if

768
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Speaker 2: you call through to the call center, you're able to

769
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 2: get somebody out, and that's what people care about. But look,

770
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Speaker 2: I do want to ask why we are sort of

771
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 2: still on this topic of crime and how we're dealing

772
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Speaker 2: with crime. We know that last Friday was the sentencing

773
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Speaker 2: of Keith Kiranoa, the man who murdered twenty year old

774
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: bottle shop worker Declan Lavity, was sentenced to a life

775
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 2: in prison with a non parole period of twenty years.

776
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: There has been some discussion about mandatory sentencing following on

777
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 2: from that sentencing, but we also know that there was

778
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: a lot more detail I think you'd have to say,

779
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: provided in those sentencing submissions. So Crown Prosecutor Marty Aust

780
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 2: describing Kiranoa as a very dangerous, violent young man, pointing

781
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Speaker 2: to a number of prior examples of his offending, including

782
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Speaker 2: in the hours before he killed mister Lavity. We know

783
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 2: that Kiiranoah's lawyer, John Tippett Casey argued that his client

784
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: should not receive any more than the mandatory minimum twenty

785
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:14,959
Speaker 2: year non parole period.

786
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: But you know, seeing some of that further offending and.

787
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Speaker 2: Taking into account the discussions that we've had at different

788
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 2: times about whether you know, whether our bail works the

789
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 2: way in which we are dealing with offenders, and I

790
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: guess stepping away from this situation to some degree, but

791
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 2: talking about, you know, talking about breaches of bail and

792
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 2: talking about whether our bail is strong enough, I mean, what.

793
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: Did you make of that?

794
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: Of the sentencing and when you then sort of heard

795
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 2: some of those sentencing remarks and you look at the

796
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 2: way in which we're currently dealing with the issues of crime.

797
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 4: Well, he was found guilty of murder by the jury,

798
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 4: and under current empty laws, that's a minimum twenty year sentence.

799
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 4: They called it a life sentence without parole, but it

800
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 4: could be extended depending on circumstances. I don't know how

801
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 4: the sensing works in a court system, and I think

802
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 4: the question that people have asked you in putting the

803
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 4: family is how was that kind of person on bail

804
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 4: in the first place, given he'd previously attacked I think

805
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 4: young people, and that night he had been on a

806
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 4: spree with his mates, attacking or robbing or thieving or

807
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 4: whatever he was doing.

808
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 7: So I think that's the question.

809
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Speaker 4: I mean, clearly, what was done was done, and he's

810
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Speaker 4: going to spend I suspect rest of his life in jail.

811
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Speaker 4: But it's how he got to be on bail in

812
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Speaker 4: the first place, which enabled him then to do what

813
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 4: he didn did.

814
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: And I suppose the you know, look, I want to

815
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: be careful what we say and the way in which

816
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: this has dealt with, but I guess the way I

817
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 2: looked at this is I looked at this and I thought,

818
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Speaker 2: you know, somehow we've actually failed both of these young men.

819
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: That's you know, that was sort of the take that

820
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 2: I took from it, where I thought, you know, it's

821
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: not this is an absolutely tragic situation.

822
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Speaker 1: However you look at it. There has been a loss

823
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: of life, and Declan should never have been killed while

824
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: he was in his workplace. That should never ever have happened.

825
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 2: But then I sort of took a step back and

826
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 2: thought to myself, should we have been in a situation

827
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 2: where the other young bloke was ever able to kind of.

828
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Speaker 7: To you know, he was of legal age. I think

829
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 7: he was to get alcohol and you drive, you know, But.

830
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 2: I suppose the question is did the system let him

831
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: down before it reached that point.

832
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 4: Well, I'm sorry maclare, I'd say no, you know, like

833
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 4: it's he did what he did and he's going to

834
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Speaker 4: suffer the consequences. You know, he is a was a

835
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 4: grown man, he was an adult, and you can't tell

836
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 4: me he didn't know what he was doing. I'm tired

837
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 4: of people making excuses for people who commit horrendous crimes.

838
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 4: You know that somehow something was wrong in his life.

839
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Speaker 2: And look, I'm not saying that, I'm more saying if

840
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: he wasn't already if he was, if he was not

841
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 2: on bail, could we have prevented our death?

842
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 3: Katie.

843
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 6: This this has been played out very publicly, of course,

844
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 6: But besides the actual case, bail has been something that

845
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 6: you know, the Corp has been fighting for for for years,

846
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 6: you know, previous oppositions plus this one, and you know,

847
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 6: we've brought forward changes to the Bail Act for serious

848
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 6: bilet offenders, no matter what kind of weapon they've got.

849
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 3: We you know, Labor removed breach of bailer's an offense.

850
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Speaker 6: Now one could argue that if if breach of bar

851
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Speaker 6: was an offense, maybe there would be more an offense.

852
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 6: There would be more that you know that that particular

853
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 6: offender wouldn't be at that bottle shop on that night.

854
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 3: I don't know.

855
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 6: I can't enter into you know how that was all unfolding,

856
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 6: But it just goes to show that we we need

857
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 6: to be working on things that stop people from committing

858
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 6: really violent of offenses. We need to be making sure

859
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 6: that you know our laws, which is set by the Parliament.

860
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 6: I mean, we can go into Parliament at any stage

861
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 6: and create a law, have it debated and then passed

862
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 6: really quickly. I mean we've seen them past real quickly before.

863
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 6: Labor will keep talking about generational change, but they're actually

864
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 6: not dealing with any of these root clauses. And I

865
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 6: just think that because they don't want to have this conversation.

866
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 6: They they keep talking and talking and talking. But at

867
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 6: the end of the day, if those laws were strengthened,

868
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 6: then we would have less crime on our streets.

869
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 5: So I will absolutely have this conversation you just said.

870
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 5: We don't absolutely want to have it because what you

871
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 5: just said there is factually incorrect. You said breach of

872
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 5: bail has been removed as offense, and this just shows

873
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 5: that they don't want to be genuine mid Territorians. It

874
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 5: has for youth, but not for adults. This kid or

875
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 5: that he was a teenage at nineteen, he is an

876
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 5: adult in the eyes of the court. Breach of bail

877
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 5: is absolutely a criminal offense for an adult who goes

878
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 5: and breaches their bail. So let's make that really clear

879
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 5: for Territorians. For youth, we removed it because they were

880
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 5: actually not getting before the court for the original offending

881
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 5: that they needed to be therefore, but they were getting

882
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 5: put before the court for breaches. So that's the context

883
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 5: now we have mandatory sentencing for murder, and he's got

884
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 5: mandatory sentenced. He's got a minimum of twenty twenty years.

885
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 5: If the judge wanted to give him a longer sentence,

886
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 5: he's entitled to do so. It is the minimum. So

887
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 5: I think he got exactly what he deserved. I think

888
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 5: it's a tragic outcome for the family, for Declan for

889
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 5: every territory and that's gone through this. We deliberately tried

890
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 5: to not make comment on this what was going through

891
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 5: the court because we wanted to see him get the

892
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 5: absolute maximum that he could and listen, at the end

893
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 5: of the day, I wouldn't tell the judge had a

894
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 5: sentence in this issue. He's giving him a minimum twenty years.

895
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 5: This kid's life is wrecked as well. But what we

896
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 5: want to see over the next twenty years while he

897
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 5: is in prison is him bettering himself so that if

898
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 5: he does, at some point in the future after twenty years,

899
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 5: become eligible for parole, which just for those that are listening,

900
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 5: is managed by a parole board, has nothing to do

901
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 5: with government. It's independently assessed by the chair that he's

902
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 5: in a better position to do. So.

903
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 2: Look, we're going to take a really quick break. You

904
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 2: are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

905
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: It is the week that was well, we are speeding

906
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: through the hour. It is just eleven minutes away from

907
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: ten o'clock. I do want to speak about the fact

908
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 2: that we know the first leader's debate apparently happened a

909
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: little earlier in the week. Cam Smith from the News

910
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: was there to cover it. He's written a story for

911
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: the paper today. So evil Aula had said that nearly

912
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: eleven billion dollars had gone out the door to assist industry.

913
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 2: So talking about, you know, the vision to build the

914
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 2: Northern Territory, she said the government's achievements included a billion

915
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 2: dollars in new remote housing, extracting four billion dollars from

916
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 2: the Commonwealth for additional remote housing, the CDU City Campus

917
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 2: see Alis Springs and Darwen Indigenous art galleries, the Darwin CBD,

918
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 2: progressing Middle arm and developing the ship lift. Leofanocchiaro said

919
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: that she had held well that Labor had held government

920
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 2: for nineteen of the past twenty three years, including the

921
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 2: last eight in a row, and she said, well, there's

922
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 2: a lot of talk around infrastructure and biggest budgets and

923
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: shiplifts and all these things. There's been very little by

924
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 2: way of delivery. And she said, if Defense wasn't here

925
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: in the territory, many of you would be wondering what

926
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: it is exactly that they're working on. So look, no

927
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 2: doubt it would have been an interesting discussion. It always

928
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 2: is when you've got the leaders in. There's what we're

929
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 2: starting to see though, is the battle lines being drawn,

930
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 2: things shaping up as we head to an election.

931
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 4: I'm amused and amused how Labour's just being a plan

932
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 4: old copycat ah with.

933
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: The housing announcement ideas and.

934
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 4: The lights of someone the lights at friend's pass, which

935
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 4: is good, but let's not let's not forget rugby union

936
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 4: that needs lights as.

937
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 2: Well, and also a couple of the fields and not

938
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 2: a few actual ground craft.

939
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 4: And then the housing thing. I mean COLP promised fifty

940
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 4: and then Labour's now promising sixty thousand. There is a difference,

941
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 4: well ten thousand, No, no, no, there is a difference

942
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 4: as in who's eligible. Oh well that might means the

943
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 4: concept the foundation is there, they did it need So

944
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 4: I'm just trying to think what other announcements have you

945
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 4: got coming not tell any but I think it.

946
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 5: Is a point of difference. Like we all agree, both

947
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 5: major parties, and I even think the Greens and others

948
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 5: would agree with this. We need to build more houses. Now.

949
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 5: Where we disagree from the COLP is we don't want

950
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 5: to be we don't want We know that Medicare is

951
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 5: worth a significant amount of money for territorians and for

952
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 5: the territory economy, so you need to be a territory

953
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 5: to access that. So our you know program that we're

954
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,919
Speaker 5: from the home build a boost does go to sixty

955
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 5: thousand dollars, but you have to be a territorian and

956
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 5: we our position is territory to stay.

957
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: People from other places to move here.

958
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 5: Market.

959
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 6: Let me clarify. In our scheme, you have to live

960
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 6: in that house that you have built for twelve months.

961
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 6: So that's not investors across the seaboard. That are people

962
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 6: living here in the territory for twelve months. And we

963
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 6: know that if people bed down routes, they buy a house,

964
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 6: they make it into business, they will send their kids

965
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 6: to school.

966
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 3: If they stay here for that twelve.

967
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,439
Speaker 6: Months, they're more likely to stay much much longer, which

968
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 6: is what we need, we want, we need new territorians

969
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 6: and are nice gradual growth into the future. So can

970
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 6: I stop telling territory question investors? It's not the case question.

971
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 6: You can explain it new territorians. What define how you

972
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 6: mean live in the place for twelve months? Do they

973
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 6: for example, for example, just have to have their address

974
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 6: and live in there for twelve months, because that's what

975
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 6: investors do, and they've done it around the programs around

976
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 6: the country. They change their address, they get their mail

977
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 6: delivered there, but they're not actually living in it. What

978
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 6: we're saying is you have to be a territory, which

979
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 6: means we get the Medicare rebate that comes back into

980
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 6: the territory and it ultimately stops the investors coming in

981
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 6: and inflating the market.

982
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 5: Exactly tell people what a territory is. I don't think.

983
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: After guess my question is.

984
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: The way that I look at this is if we

985
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 2: are trying to get nurses, we're trying to get teachers,

986
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 2: if we're.

987
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 1: Trying to get people to move to the Northern.

988
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: Territory after you've worked here for a year, or if

989
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 2: you've if you've moved here and you think, do you

990
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 2: know what I love this place? I'd love to buy

991
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 2: my first home or I'd love to build my first time.

992
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: What should you be yes.

993
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 5: So at that point you talk about they would have

994
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 5: had to under the legislation anyway, updated their driver's license,

995
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 5: change it, all those pieces. So you're saying no, no,

996
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 5: you're saying they just have to purchase it and live

997
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 5: in it for twelve months. That isn't that they haven't

998
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 5: been here already. So we each we it is true,

999
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 5: and we've been very clear. As we've been very clear

1000
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 5: on this, you have to be a territory and you

1001
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 5: have to live here.

1002
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: You're not just peas out done is on this one.

1003
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: And as you're trying to pick holes, you're trying to

1004
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: play catch up.

1005
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 5: It's actually at the end of the day.

1006
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1007
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: But the thing is, though, then you've got to ask yourself, well.

1008
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 2: What exactly you guys, what are you planning on doing

1009
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 2: then to try to get people to move to the

1010
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 2: Northern Territory to fill some of those different jobs. If

1011
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 2: they're not able to, you know, like, if they're not

1012
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 2: actually able to take advantage of some of these schemes, can.

1013
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 7: I give you an example.

1014
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 4: Part of the problem is we need to build out

1015
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 4: and grow our resource industries, so we have our own

1016
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 4: source revenue.

1017
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 3: That's part of the issue.

1018
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 4: But the other part of the problem is the bureaucracy

1019
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 4: here currently with some of the governags is just horrendous.

1020
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 4: I am a young woman staying at my place at

1021
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 4: the moment, and she's a midwife and she's applied for

1022
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 4: a job with me Watch to go and work at

1023
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 4: Norlan Boy for I think one or two months. The

1024
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 4: paperwork that she's had to go through, including Department of

1025
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 4: Health proving proving that, showing this, showing that, and then

1026
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 4: it got delayed and then this got said it's only

1027
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 4: for two month con and she's a very qualified midwife

1028
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 4: and bloody Victoria. So getting through the paperwork is a

1029
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 4: bureaucracy thing, you know, it doesn't matter what it is.

1030
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 4: The bureaucracy that some of these government departments, including including education,

1031
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 4: including health, yep, they are making it so difficult and

1032
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 4: that's where strong leadership needs to come into play from

1033
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 4: the ministers to direct the departments to get their shit together,

1034
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 4: to get these people such that they can get jobs.

1035
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: In the tech here.

1036
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 5: That one out to the individual that you talk about there.

1037
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, when you talk

1038
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 5: about attracting people to come the territory. I don't want

1039
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 5: to steal the thunder of the Chief. There's more to

1040
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 5: be done. But in terms of actual jobs, that's what

1041
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 5: you need, a job for someone to come. And we

1042
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 5: know that the territory is a place where people can come,

1043
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 5: can jump two or three positions in their career and

1044
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 5: profession and arguably a lot of them will stay, some

1045
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 5: will go home. But for those that do come here

1046
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 5: to take that sort of leap into the territory, we

1047
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 5: want to build the build the economy. That's the major project.

1048
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 5: We see that with the Santos project coming on next

1049
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 5: year at about a two point five percent incre to

1050
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 5: our growth state product and seven percent a year after

1051
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 5: Bedeloo's coming on we saw ten more and list on

1052
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 5: the stock exchange. Recently, we do see defense pumping in

1053
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 5: about five percent increase to growth in the growth state

1054
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 5: product over the next until the end of the decade.

1055
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 5: We see our a few resources looking to you know,

1056
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 5: hopefully we see FID later this year from them. I

1057
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 5: think there is enough incentive for people to come in

1058
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 5: territory because the jobs are coming.

1059
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: My stock is there.

1060
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 6: How do we have had this problem about housing for

1061
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 6: a long time, right, there's been nowhere for people to

1062
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 6: live like I mean the rental market as an example

1063
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 6: is crazy people applying left front and center.

1064
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 3: And not being able to get into somewhere.

1065
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,439
Speaker 6: If the government was serious about Territorians building their first

1066
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 6: first home, then they would have listened to industry and

1067
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 6: territorians years ago and had a first home own owner

1068
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 6: and build a scheme. Now they got rid of it

1069
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,959
Speaker 6: that hasn't been here forever. Now seven weeks out from election,

1070
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 6: they run out of ideas, they copy the COLP. They're

1071
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 6: now telling lies about whether you're a Territorian or not,

1072
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 6: saying that you know you're not for us. Another point

1073
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 6: I want to make is that you had a listener

1074
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 6: yes today Katie text in and ask about downsizing, you know, if.

1075
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 2: You're whether you can downsize or what incentives there off

1076
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: for people to downside size exactly.

1077
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 6: And this is where this this existing homeowners scheme we've

1078
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 6: got the homegrown we're calling it, which where if you're

1079
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 6: already a territorial with an existing property, so you've you've

1080
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 6: been a first time I owner before you can get

1081
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 6: thirty thousand dollars to be able to build and move

1082
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 6: into for at least twelve months a new home, which

1083
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 6: of course allows you to move from a bigger house

1084
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 6: wherever that may be, into something a bit smaller, and

1085
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 6: it includes units as well. So I think you know

1086
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 6: this is a huge game changing plan that the cel

1087
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 6: Pece putting forward labor have run out of ideas. They've

1088
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 6: showed up to eight years that they they weren't going

1089
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 6: to do it, and all of a sudden they tell

1090
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 6: us it was a brain fight when we announced it

1091
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 6: during budget, and now they're saying, oh, yep, me too.

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Speaker 1: It's going to have to be fus really good.

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Speaker 5: See, the brain fight is about how much it costs.

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Speaker 3: We got our cost brand. Just to clarify, twenty million dollars.

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00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 5: I'm going to be really quickly. Ours is twenty two million,

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00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 5: because ours came back from Treasury. We got ours costed.

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00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 5: Yours hasn't been costed yet. You said you're going to

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Speaker 5: do it in August. The figures that we're getting from

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Speaker 5: the people that do this costing is fifty seven million

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00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 5: dollars for sale.

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00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 3: Twenty million dollars.

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Speaker 2: How come though, what are you doing your homework on

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00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,479
Speaker 2: them instead of yourselves? And shall lead into an election

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00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 2: when you haven't done it your selves for the last

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00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 2: eight years.

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00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 5: We cost every commitment in every budget, so them from

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00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 5: a sale if they haven't made any commitments until now

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00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 5: because it is an election year, so we can only

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00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 5: cost what they put on the table. They need to

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Speaker 5: put their costings out. We've done it comes in at

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00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 5: fifty seven million hours at twenty two So you guys

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Speaker 5: have come up with.

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Speaker 1: Their costing being fifty seven million.

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00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:29,959
Speaker 5: That's a number.

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00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 2: Does that.

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00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 7: Just giving sixty thousand.

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Speaker 5: We're not increasing the number.

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00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 3: Of you need to increase hundred.

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00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm very sorry. Speaking of costings, We've got to pay

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Speaker 1: the bills. I'm going to have to go to an

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Speaker 1: ad right you are listening to mix one O four

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00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 1: nine three sixty.

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Speaker 2: Time for us to wrap up before we do, though,

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Speaker 2: I did want to say that that leaders debate yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Cam Smith reporting in the NT News today that that

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Speaker 2: the Chief Minister was asked about the Kavana sheet Are

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Speaker 2: Street shade structure after images had emerged of the timber

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Speaker 2: damaged apparently on the Foliage Challenge structure.

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Speaker 1: She said she loves the shade structure.

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Speaker 7: But she didn't talk about the plant it's the wrong

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Speaker 7: bloody plant.

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Speaker 1: So you reckon the structures, all right, they just need

1133
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: a new never had an issue with them. What do

1134
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: you reckon? Brain? Because is that going to be a commitment.

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00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 5: Everything seems to be a commitment at the moment. I'll

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00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 5: do your commitmentsier when you're done, and you will get

1137
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 5: you as a consultant, and I'll get.

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Speaker 4: The right people to give advice, like Tina Stanford or

1139
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Speaker 4: Tina south depending you know she likes to be called

1140
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 4: and get the right bloody plants through all. Chris Crawdis

1141
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Speaker 4: is also a deciduous plant in the dross. And so

1142
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 4: when you want it to be all pretty, it's got

1143
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 4: no bloody leads on them.

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Speaker 7: Just to you gone roll down.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to admit that I like. I liked the

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Speaker 1: idea of the shade structure.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: You go to Singapore somewhere and you see the plants

1149
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 2: growing from the buildings, you see the nice greenery. I

1150
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: liked the idea of it. I love the idea of

1151
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 2: like more trees and stuff around the city.

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Speaker 1: Agree to you.

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Speaker 4: Completely, But the wrong bloody plant a long while to

1154
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 4: count I'm worried, said it didn't have enough water. She

1155
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 4: said it was dry in the boxes.

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Speaker 5: Let's just sort that out first, can we in the

1157
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Speaker 5: South and get the right.

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00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: We are We are going to have to come.

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Speaker 5: To a different one, commit to a different one.

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Speaker 1: For the water fruit.

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Speaker 2: Fruit Brent Porter, thank you so much for your time

1162
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 2: this morning for the flavor party.

1163
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 5: Thank you to the families that are on school holidays.

1164
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 5: Keep keep your chin up.

1165
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: We're nearly there. Nearly there.

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Speaker 2: Puric, thank you for your time this morning. Marie Claire

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00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 2: Body from the c LP, thank you for your time

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00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 2: to get.

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Speaker 6: India at Mendol's on Saturday night. An absolute amazing affair.

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Speaker 1: Awesome. Well, thank you all so much for your time

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Speaker 1: this morning.