1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Kate Torba and coming up on today's show, Tammy Hembro 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: returns to dating as the new face of Tinder. Sarah's 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: Day's Fitness challenge kicks off, and Louis Tomlinson opens up 6 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 1: for the first time about One Direction's cold split. But 7 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: first I am joined by both Amy and Sophie. It 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: is the first time in over six months that all 9 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: three of us have been on the podcast. By the 10 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: birth episodes, there's a bit of pressure. There's better be 11 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: a good episode if all three of us are on 12 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: a I know we are on a strict time schedule 13 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 1: as well. Somehow we are managing to do this while 14 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: all of our kids are either napping or with their grandparents. Now, 15 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: I want to kick things off by talking about an 16 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: unorthodox partnership that developed between Molly May and Heinz. Amy, 17 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: can you tell us more? Now, when you think of 18 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: Molly May, you'd never think she would actually share an 19 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: unboxing of Heinz Baked Beans. However, the Heinz team clearly 20 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 1: have their finger on the pulse because they said Molly 21 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: a can adorned with Emily's beans, Bambe's beans and Dory's beans. 22 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: And as Molly said in a video, if you know 23 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: you know now. We discussed this on the show a 24 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. But this is in reference to 25 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: that viral video of Molly May's daughter discussing who she 26 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: wanted to bite at daycare. Let's throw to a little 27 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: bit of what she said. 28 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:33,839 Speaker 2: I gotta bite some Oh no, no, I gotta buy no, way, no. 29 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 2: We don't use our mouth to bite, do we? What 30 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 2: do we use our mouth for? Oh, for food, for eating? 31 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 2: We bite our food. Don't buy anyone, okay bye, ale no, 32 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: byey no. 33 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: Clearly someone on the marketing team of Heines or an 34 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: opportunity and ran with it. The only thing that doesn't 35 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,639 Speaker 1: make sense in my mind is during that clip Molly said, 36 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: we don't bite Emily, we don't bite Dory, but we 37 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: bite food, and this is food, this is Emily's beans. 38 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: Well they're clearly, Sophi're giving each of the girl's beans 39 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: to eat instead of biting each other. That is the 40 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: whole clever thing about this campaign, and it is just 41 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: such great reactive marketing. I mean, this wouldn't have cost 42 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: Heines much money at all, and the exposure they have 43 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: now received from Molly's channel, and also due to all 44 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,679 Speaker 1: of the countless TikTok videos that have been put up, 45 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: it's absolutely priceless. It actually does make me feel like 46 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: cracking open a tin of bake beings, but I feel 47 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: like there're more something that you enjoy in winter, which 48 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: obviously in the UK is coming up to winter. Well. 49 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: The Heines campaign has also allowed Molly to address the 50 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: viral video in a little bit more detail, so she 51 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: cleared up a misconception. She revealed that one of the 52 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: girls Bambi intended on biting wasn't actually named Dory, as 53 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: all the memes ran with. Let's take a listen to 54 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: what she said. 55 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 3: This is the perfect time for me to I actually 56 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 3: loved that. People think it's story, but it's actually story 57 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 3: and that's who she was talking about. You know, I 58 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 3: think either way it's not really acceptable, but it was story, 59 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 3: not Dory. Even sky TV, like the sky TV channel, 60 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 3: they were posting on their TikTok account pictures of Dory 61 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 3: from like finding Nemo. I was just like, listen, like, however, 62 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 3: they want to interpret it ass like either way it's 63 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 3: not okay, and either way, I don't condone it. 64 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: But it's interesting because story features quite often on Molly's channel. 65 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: She is the daughter of Molly's best friend, so Bambi 66 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: doesn't seem very happy with her. Yeah, but remember when 67 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: they were trying to crack the code of who the 68 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: bite was. Initially she said that one of her friend's 69 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: daughters also got bitten, and so maybe unbernigns to her 70 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: it was actually baby you bitter? Did you guys see? 71 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: There was a TikTok that went viral and it was 72 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: a photo someone posted of their childhoo'd been bitten at 73 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: daycare and her name was Emily and everyone was flooding 74 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: the comment section saying, well she must go to Molly 75 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: May's daughter's daycare. Well, I hope Amby takes some beans 76 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: for her as an apology. Roomors are true. 77 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 4: I'm officially in my new dating era, and yes I'm 78 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 4: on Tinder looking for my next crush. 79 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: Tammy Hembro has announced she's looking for her next crush 80 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 1: on Tinder. The og fitness influencer made the revelation as 81 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 1: part of a paid partnership with the Dating app Ironically. 82 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: The news comes just weeks after Tinder's former ambassador and 83 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: AFL player Bailey Smith publicly friend zone Tammy Kate. Can 84 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: you tell us more about the announcement? Well, Tammy shared 85 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: the Real in collaboration with Tinder, and at the time 86 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: of recording, it's had over a million views. Now Tammy 87 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 1: and Tinder definitely knew what they were doing. In the real, 88 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 1: Tammy is sitting in her car like she does for 89 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: a lot of her candid content, and text appeared on 90 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: the screen that said, addressing the rumors, I clicked on 91 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: this so quickly. Let's take a listen to some of 92 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: what she said. 93 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 4: My dating life always seems to make headlines, but you're 94 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 4: hearing it here far. I'm officially putting myself back out there. Honestly, 95 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 4: I feel like everyone thinks dating has to be so serious. 96 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 4: It's supposed to be fun. So I'm on Tinder to 97 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 4: see who's out there. Hopefully I meet some people who 98 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 4: match my vibe and if it turns into something more, 99 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 4: even better. 100 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: There were pretty mixed reviews in the comments section of 101 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: this paid partnership post. There was a lot of commentary 102 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: about how much she got paid to promote Tinder. One 103 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: person wrote love you girl, but be real right now? 104 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: How much did they pay you? And that comment got 105 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: over one point two thousand likes. Another follower was happy 106 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: for Tammy, writing you know what. Hell yeah, Tinder paid 107 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: her a stack to promo this, so why the hell 108 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: not go you? What do we think she got paid 109 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: for this? It would have had to be a hell 110 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: of a lot, considering she's putting out there that she's single. 111 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: She's had to make a public profile where essentially I'm 112 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: assuming she's pretending that she's actively looking on there. She's 113 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: not looking on there, she would be on raya. I 114 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: would say she would be paid in the hundreds of 115 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: thousands for this, because it means that she has to 116 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: publicly open up about her dating life, which she already 117 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: gets so much flak for, and she got a lot 118 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: of flak in the comments. She ended up having to 119 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: go on an Instagram story and say, guys, don't hate 120 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: the player, hate the game, come on now. I also think, 121 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: judging by her audience size, this would have been a 122 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: massive paycheck as well. So I don't think you're far 123 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: off when you're saying the hundreds of thousands there was 124 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: also a lot of commentary around people being surprised that 125 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: she was single. Lots of people were writing, didn't you 126 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: just get married? I mean, come on, keep up everyone. Well, 127 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: the thing that just surprised me the most was, obviously 128 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: Bailey Smith had his huge campaign with Tinder, and I 129 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: just thought, wait a sec, are you guys at Tinder 130 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: trying to claim that this is how they met? Like, 131 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 1: are you backtracking now? Oh, what's going on? 132 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 2: Yeah? 133 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: A lot of people seem confused. I think that the 134 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: Tinder marketing team were just clever and thought, oh my god, 135 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: Bailey's Smith and Tammy hambroke dating has received so much publicity, 136 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: let's reach out to her and see if she's keen. 137 00:06:58,680 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 5: Well. 138 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: I'm kind of happy for Tinder because the pair were 139 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: first spoted just weeks after the company launched Bailey as 140 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: the face of their double dating campaign. It kind of 141 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: screwed the campaign over for them, and it's incredible marketing 142 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: from Tinder. I don't know if it necessarily screwed over 143 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: their campaign because I feel like Tinder has a bit 144 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: of a reputation for being a casual dating app, and 145 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: clearly Tammy and Bailey, we're just seeing where things went. 146 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: They weren't particularly serious, but it was obvious that they 147 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: didn't meet on Tinder. I mean Bailey confirmed on the 148 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: Kyle and Jackie oshow that he slid into her DMS. 149 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: And we've got to remember the point of getting Bailey 150 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: Smith on Tinder was so that they could attract a 151 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: lot of females back to the app. And you know, 152 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: if you think there's no point he's not even on 153 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: here because he's dating Tammy, hembro like it did throw 154 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: a spanner in the works to their campaign. It is 155 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: an interesting move though, because by using Bailey Smith as 156 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: an ambassador, they were clearly going for a female Gen 157 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: Z audience with Tammy, her following would predominantly be millennial women. 158 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: So are they trying to attract both of those different 159 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: age groups on board. I think Tinder have more got 160 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: her on board because they know that traditional media are 161 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: going to jump on this. Every time Tammy does something 162 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: since her divorce, even traditional media cover it. So brand awareness, 163 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: isn't it. Yeah, So they've got so much coverage. I 164 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: mean a lot of people probably thought Tinder was no 165 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: longer around. I mean, dating apps at the moment are 166 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: going through a really tricky time. Just recently we saw 167 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: Bumble cut a third of its workforce. Tinder have been 168 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: in a similar predicament. They've cut thirteen percent of jobs 169 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: at their place of work. Well, when I chat to 170 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 1: any single friends, everyone says that they're always on Hinge. 171 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: I found it a little bit far fetched that people 172 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: now think that the whole Tammy and Bailey relationship was 173 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,839 Speaker 1: just a PR campaign for Tinder, because if it was, 174 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: it's definitely beaten out the Indian Boubet campaign when she 175 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: was supposedly working an office job. But it doesn't really 176 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 1: make any sense that this was a campaign because, as 177 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: we've established, they didn't meet on Tinder well, and also, 178 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: if you look at it logically, it would make more 179 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: sense if they were both ambassadors at time for Tinder, 180 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: because it would be like, oh, they must have met 181 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: on the app. But it's clearly just reactive PR and 182 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: it's not as if Tammy's popped up saying, you know, 183 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: I met a really great guy on this app. There's 184 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: no actual connection between the Tammy campaign and the Bailey campaign. 185 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: I wonder what Bailey's thinking about it, because it seems 186 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: like perhaps they're not speaking anything. Oh, I think that's 187 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: all bullshit. I think they're still seeing each other. Just 188 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: because Bailey didn't bring Tammy to the Brown though, it 189 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: doesn't mean everything is off, like you don't actually bring 190 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: someone you're casually seeing to a huge awards night like 191 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: that putting it out there. Do we think part two 192 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: of the campaign is a reunion between Bailey and Tammy. 193 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: Maybe they reconnect on Tinder and we see them back 194 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: out on the Gold Coast. I don't know if this 195 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: campaign is helping Tammy though, because a lot of people 196 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: have been keeping score about who's winning the breakup between 197 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: Matt and Tammy, and I think Matt has been playing 198 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 1: it incredibly well over the last couple of weeks. He's 199 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: been garnering a lot of sympathy recently. Obviously that might 200 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: have dropped off a bit after he was seen out 201 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: with his new Adelaide Go Well. The timing of this 202 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: campaign launching is interesting because, as you said, over the weekend, 203 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: Matt was spotted in Adelaide with a new woman. It 204 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: kind of seems like every time Matt does something, Tammy 205 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: manages to take the attention back. And on day two 206 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: of the five sixty Challenge, along with over two thousand 207 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: of you have fun. We are all doing it together. 208 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 1: Sarah's Day's five to sixty Challenge kicked off this week 209 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: with more than two thousand women signing up to take part. 210 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: While sales figures have likely hit three hundred thousand dollars, 211 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: the stat has led many to question Sarah's relevance. Okay, 212 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: what do you think about the number of people who've 213 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: signed up. Well, she's clearly made a lot of money 214 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: off the bat with this program because it costs one 215 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: hundred and forty five dollars, and when your times that 216 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: by two thousand, you hit just under three hundred k, 217 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: which is a massive amount of money. But when you 218 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: consider that she has a following of one million people, 219 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: it's a pretty low percentage of her followers that she's 220 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: actually got to purchase this fitness program. Well, I wouldn't 221 00:10:59,960 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: be turning my nose up at three hundred thousand dollars 222 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: though in a couple of weeks. Oh, definitely not. But 223 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: I do think it is reflective of the relevance that 224 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: Sarah has, particularly when you look at the sales figures 225 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: for her previous e books. So she's sold five different 226 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,839 Speaker 1: ebooks and she has promoted heavily on her website and 227 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: across social media that she's had one hundred and fifty 228 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: thousand downloads on those e books. So when you consider 229 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: that the latest e book has only had two thousand, 230 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: that's a long way off what she used to do. 231 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: But the other ebooks have been around for quite some 232 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: time now. I think the first e book was launched 233 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 1: ten years ago, so yeah, but I think that they 234 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 1: had the majority of downloads at the start. Well, it's 235 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: not particularly surprising because in recent years she's really moved 236 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: away from fitness content and she's more moved into the 237 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: motherhood space. When she was at her peak, she was 238 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: releasing three vlogs a week. Nowadays you're lucky to get 239 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: one vlog a month. I'm hoping this actually is a 240 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: reflection on the fact that as a society we can 241 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: now see through toxic diet culture and people are no 242 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: longer willing to sign up to this sixty day program 243 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: where that pushes this very toxic rhetoric around exercising and 244 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: punishing yourself and being accountable. I also think though a 245 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: lot of it has to do with the fact that 246 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: there's a lot of competition out there since Sarah first 247 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: launched her ebooks. You know, we've got so many different 248 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: influencer guides, and a lot of influencers have moved from 249 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: ebooks to apps that are a lot cheaper. I mean, 250 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 1: one hundred and forty five dollars for a sixty day 251 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: program is a lot of money. Her previous ebooks were 252 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: half the price. It is really expensive. But it's funny 253 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: you mentioned the toxic element, Kate, because I think that's 254 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: what actually has appealed to the people that have signed up, 255 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: because I was speaking to a friend and she said, look, 256 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: I know that Sarah's Day can be toxic, but it 257 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: kind of makes you want to do the guide because 258 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: I do want to get fit and I see the 259 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: results that she has. 260 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 5: Well. 261 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: An anonymous member of our Facebook group actually submitted a 262 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 1: similar post saying, I have been looking at the guide 263 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 1: and I know it's probably toxic, but should I do it? 264 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: And the feedback in our Facebook community was no, don't 265 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: do it. A lot of people were like, just get 266 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: onto chat GPT and get them to draw a plan 267 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: up for you, because it is a waste of money 268 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: considering that Sarah Day has no qualifications. I mean, I'm 269 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: actually quite concerned because a lot of the commentary since 270 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 1: this challenge has taken part is that people are finding 271 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 1: it really difficult, and some people are saying, I haven't 272 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: been able to walk since doing the challenge? Are there 273 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: any alternatives that we can do? And she's had to 274 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: put out a video showing alternative exercises, saying, oh, this 275 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: is actually an intermediate advance program, but if you're a beginner, 276 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: you can do this now. Oh nowhere in the marketing 277 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: did it ever say intermediate to advance. I think Sarah 278 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: has just got her audience wrong, particularly considering that she's 279 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: been marketing a program for mums returning to exercise that 280 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: is far too difficult. I succumb to the temptation. I 281 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: want to say. It was probably seven years ago and 282 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: I bought one of her ebooks. I think it was 283 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: The Sweaty Shred of One Sweat to shred It, Oh 284 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: well yeah, Sweat to ShredIt, whatever it's called. And it 285 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: was because I really wanted the results. I mean, Sarah 286 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: has an incredible figure. Anyway, it was torture this plant. 287 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: Every day there was a new workout that seemed to 288 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: be just crueler than the last one. I remember she 289 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 1: said to get a pack of cards and throw them 290 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: on the ground, and then each suit would be a 291 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: particular type of exercise, and then the number on them 292 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: would be how many you had to do. And if 293 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: you consider how many cards are in a pack of cards, 294 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: oh my god, it was absolutely hellish and it was 295 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: just not realistic or enjoyable. Well, it's interesting you mentioned 296 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: her Sweat to ShredIt Guide because the first workout was 297 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: recycled from that program, and it seems like she's just 298 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: repeating some of the workouts that are in previous e books, 299 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: which if I had bought those before, I don't know 300 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: how I'd feel about it. Well, she seems to be 301 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: complaining a bit about the challenge herself, because, as we've 302 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: touched on, there are a set of rules that you 303 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: need to abide by when you're doing the challenge, which 304 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: just seems particularly archaic. And she complained that she didn't 305 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: like the no social media after six pm. It is 306 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: an interesting rule because it means she can't actually document 307 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: what she's having for dinner on the meal plan, which 308 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: is another way to promote her product. Ye, she should 309 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: have done after eight pm. She's probably kicking herself I'm 310 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: just so worried about how many injuries are going to 311 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: be sustained from this program, particularly because it's sixty days 312 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: of consecutive exercise with no rest and recovery. What percentage 313 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: of the two thousand do we think are actually completing 314 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: the full six day it also, well, what's also different 315 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: this time around about her marketing this style of program 316 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: is that a lot of these people who have purchased it, 317 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: they have their right of reply on TikTok now, so 318 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: they can jump on TikTok, they can complain about their injuries, 319 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: complain about how difficult it is, and it would be 320 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: very difficult having a brand these days with that in mind, 321 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: particularly a program like that. In all. Honestly, though, do 322 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: you think she cares? Because it kind of seems like 323 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: a bit of a money grab to me. The fact 324 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: that her perfume didn't really work out with Who Is Elijah, Well, 325 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: it didn't work out. Now she's been able to pout 326 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: this program and pocket what three hundred K. There wouldn't 327 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: have been too much monetary input into getting it, you know, 328 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: other than a graphic design or what else would she 329 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: have spent money on. I actually think that it's more 330 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: her trying to rework her image and find herself again 331 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: after having three children, and before those three children, she 332 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: was fanatical about exercise. So in that sense, I'm happy 333 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: for her that she's leaning back into something that interests her, 334 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: but not really happy that this program is quite outdated. 335 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: Oh god, so yeah, so earnest of you. It's clearly 336 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: a cash grab and it's worked. It's made on nearly 337 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: three hundred thousand dollars. I'm sure that nice little deposit 338 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: into her bank account might be going towards her second 339 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: beach house. 340 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 5: These are all the same faces that I've seen every 341 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 5: single day, but I've never quite felt an energy like 342 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 5: that in the room. There was like, are this emptiness for. 343 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: The first time. Former One Direction singer Louis Tomlinson has 344 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: given inside details about the band's decision to go on 345 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: a hiatus. Speaking on the Diary of a CEO podcast, 346 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: Louis labeled the split as cold and said he can't 347 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: imagine a reunion after Liam Payne's death now. So Louie's 348 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: appearance on the podcast was a pretty big deal. It 349 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: ended up screening in theaters across the US and UK. 350 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: I'm just spewing that it wasn't screened here in Australia 351 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: because I am a massive One Direction fan and I 352 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 1: was grouped by this interview. It was definitely also long 353 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: enough to be a movie. It was nearly two and 354 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: a half hours, and I felt like he came across 355 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: really well. He was very articulate, thoughtful in what he said, 356 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: and also very humble. He's straight upset off the bat 357 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: that he's aware that he's not the best singer in 358 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: the world and admitted at times that he's been very 359 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: uncomfortable with his success. I have to say, like I 360 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 1: am a One Direction fan. I went to their concert 361 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: when they came here and Adelaide loved their music, but 362 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: I was never really you know, I wasn't one of 363 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: those obsessive fans. I didn't really know a lot about 364 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: Louis Well. I think that we were too old to 365 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: be sort of a fandom. So it was really interesting 366 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: to actually hear him talk for two hours, because when 367 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: you know One Direction do end you only hear very 368 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: little bits and pieces from the boys. But he was 369 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: a bit of a fan favorite, I think more for 370 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: his personality rather than his ability. Yeah, and he was 371 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 1: one of my favorites purely on looks like very You know, 372 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 1: I thought it was really cute at the time, and 373 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 1: I was like, wow, I knew there was something about 374 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: him because he just came across as such a nice guy. 375 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: Reflecting on what he said about his success, it was 376 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 1: quite interesting because he said it's only been in the 377 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: past two years that he's actually put up his awards 378 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: in his house, and he explained that he was worried 379 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: when people came over that they would notice the awards 380 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: and it would make them feel uncomfortable and the conversation 381 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: would instantly gravitate back to his success. And he said 382 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: that in life, he just wants to be in an 383 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: even playing field with everyone, and he doesn't want to 384 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: be that guy in the band who won those awards. 385 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 1: It's really clear that he's craving this sense of normality. 386 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: The part of the podcast that really touched me the 387 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: most was when he spoke about losing his mum and 388 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: his sister, because we haven't actually heard until now himself 389 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: speak in detail about what actually happened and how he 390 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: felt at the time. Yeah, And I think what really 391 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: shone through was that even though he's had all of 392 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: these terrible things happened to him and these big losses, 393 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 1: he still remains this glass half full kind of guy. 394 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: He said that he doesn't want to be pitied or 395 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: defined by those moments in his life. You could tell 396 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: he carried a lot of guilt around being away During 397 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: his One Direction days, he spoke about how he has 398 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: identical twin sisters and he started to not be able 399 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: to tell them apart. So he used to be like, oh, 400 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 1: hey babe, hey babe, But he said, it doesn't even 401 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: think they know that he couldn't tell them as well. 402 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: He said he'd never told his sister's Daisy or Phoebe 403 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: that story. Now, what I was really fascinated to hear 404 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: about was ten years on how Louis actually felt about 405 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 1: Zay Maleck's departure from One Direction, because at the time, 406 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: fans were really shocked by Zain's decision and they feared 407 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: it was the beginning of the end of the band, 408 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 1: which it ended up being, and Louis admitted that he 409 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 1: was absolutely crushed by this decision and he was devastated 410 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,199 Speaker 1: as Zay was actually one of his best mates in 411 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 1: the band at the time. I was really interested to 412 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: hear what went on behind the scenes. Because Louis was 413 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 1: the one that actually lashed out at Zaye on social media. 414 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: You could tell he really wasn't happy about it. Yeah. Well, 415 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: in this interview he said it felt like a betrayal 416 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: because they were best friends. And he went on to 417 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: share these stories I supposed to demonstrate how close they were. 418 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: They were the only two band members at the end 419 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: who actually continued sharing their dressing rooms with one another, 420 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: because he said, initially when they started One Direction, they 421 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: didn't want to be this band who were up themselves 422 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: and had individual dressing rooms, but that ended up being 423 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: the case. He also spoke about how he and Zane 424 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 1: would return to the tour bus after each show and 425 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: smoke weed and play Call of Duty or Zombies together, 426 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: and this was off the back of Stephen Bartlett bringing 427 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: up Liam Payne's interview that he did a number of 428 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: years ago where he spoke about using the mini bar 429 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: as a vice following the big shows, and Louis admitted 430 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: that his vice was weed. I was surprised how often 431 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: he dropped about smoking weed because I think I still 432 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,719 Speaker 1: think of him as being that young boy from One Direction. 433 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: It was such a squeaky clean band that if a 434 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 1: story like that had come out while they were in 435 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 1: the band in its heyday, I think it would have 436 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: been massive. That's because weed is pretty small fry and 437 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 1: as he said that it gave him a sense of 438 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: normality because he knew that his mates back home were 439 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: doing the same thing. And it's not a big deal, 440 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: but I'm just saying that I feel like if that 441 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: story broke it would have been a massive Yeah. Well, 442 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: remember the huge headlines when Prince Harry got caught with weed. 443 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: It was like front page news. Yeah. Well, I suppose 444 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: there would have been a lot of discussions around the 445 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 1: fact that their role models to young kids. But it 446 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: is quite interesting because he said that the weed really 447 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: suited his brain at the time because they would have 448 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: such a crazy experience on stage that he would have 449 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: all of this noise in his head and the weed 450 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: would help quieten it down. And he described it as 451 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: a really lovely way to debrief with Zayan after the shows, 452 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: away from all of the madness, where he said that 453 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: they would just get into cliche stoner chats about UFOs 454 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 1: and other controversial topics like that. So for Louis, when 455 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: Zayne announced that he was leaving, he thought, well, why 456 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: didn't he speak openly to me about this before and 457 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: give him the heads up that he was going to 458 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: make this announcement. Well, the way Louis found out was 459 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: the fact that Zaye didn't rock up to this coke 460 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: commercial that they had, and Louis said that if Zaane 461 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 1: didn't want to do something, he literally wouldn't do it, 462 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: So it wasn't like a big deal that Zayn hadn't 463 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: shown up, But then later that day the announcement broke 464 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: and it just left him absolutely flawed. Louis did question 465 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: whether Zayn would have regretted that decision. He said that 466 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: he surely must miss the band, and he pointed out 467 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: that when you're in a band, you can share out 468 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 1: the jobs that you don't want to do, and it 469 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: sounded like Zayn hated giving press interviews, and he said, 470 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: you know, well he's got to do all of that 471 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: now himself, which he probably really dislikes. He also admitted 472 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: that when they've caught up in recent years, Zayne's departure 473 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 1: has really been the elephant in the room and they 474 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: haven't actually discussed it. He said that there will be 475 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: a time for that, but when he said that, I 476 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,719 Speaker 1: was wondering if that was a little bit of a 477 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 1: teaser for the docuseries that's meant to be airing on Netflix. 478 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 1: When Zane and Louie drive around the US, I think 479 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 1: that they're going to tackle it head on. Then, yeah, 480 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: because we spoke about that in a recent Subs episode 481 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: and I thought the exact same thing, Kate. When I 482 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: was listening to it, I was like, he is clearly 483 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 1: teasing this television show. Well, do you know what's ironic? 484 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: Because when One Direction broke up, I really thought that 485 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: all of the band members were on board and they 486 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: were all really keen to move on to their solo 487 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: careers and maybe they'd had enough of the One Direction days. 488 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: But it was clear that Louis was absolutely shattered by 489 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: the news, and he said that it had an immense 490 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: impact on him. Let's have a listen to some of 491 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: what he said. 492 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was awful. It wasn't until after the event 493 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 5: that I realized that I actually computed all these feelings. 494 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 5: But it was like I was straight grieving for it, 495 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 5: and that was grieving the band. I'm someone who unfortunately 496 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 5: has a little bit of experience in grief and albeit 497 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 5: it felt different, but it was a first the same thing. 498 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 5: It was something that I really wanted that couldn't have anymore. 499 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: You could tell how upset he was by the fact 500 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: that he seemed really rattled by the word hiatus, and 501 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: even he didn't know what that actually meant. In terms 502 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: of the length, I found it fascinating, the blow by 503 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: blow detail he gave about that meeting. Did anyone else 504 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: think it was Harry that split the whole band? He 505 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: obviously got an independent deal. Yeah, he said that whilst 506 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: it was a discussion between the four band members and 507 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,400 Speaker 1: not representatives, there was this coldness in the air. Let's 508 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: have a listen to more of what he said. 509 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 5: It was an atmosphere that never really felt in the 510 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 5: band because normally, like I said, with arms arm in arms, 511 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 5: it's all this camaraderie and then all of a sudden 512 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 5: you get someone thinking more independently and more for themselves, 513 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 5: which by the way, they have every right to do, 514 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 5: of course, but it just felt the room felt cold 515 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 5: that day. I can remember that in particular, there was 516 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 5: it was I'm trying to find the right metaphor for it, 517 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 5: but it was it was something where these are all 518 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 5: the same faces that I've seen it every single day, 519 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 5: but I've never quite felt an energy like that in 520 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 5: the room. There was like a there was this emptiness, 521 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 5: and I think probably because we knew, we all knew 522 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 5: collectively where it was going, you know, and that's probably 523 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 5: some friction between those ideas. 524 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I love Harry, but it made me sad. 525 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 1: I was like, this is bullshit, Like you should have 526 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: stayed together. Yeah, And the fact that Louis had already 527 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: referenced at the start of this interview that he felt 528 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: like he didn't have the best voice. You could tell 529 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: that he knew that this was such a big hit 530 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: for him because he was now having to get against 531 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: the likes of Harry Styles. Well, that's the thing. He 532 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: said that he was quite naive at the time because 533 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: he kept asking how long is this break going to 534 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 1: last for? Because he said, well, if I'm going to 535 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: explore my own solo career, I kind of need to 536 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: know what I'm going to be back in the band, 537 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 1: which made me feel really sad. And he said that 538 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: he never really got an answer because he doesn't think 539 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 1: that the person involved, aka Harry Styles, was brave enough 540 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 1: to answer that question and let them know he was 541 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,239 Speaker 1: really the end of things. Well, it was always him 542 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: and Liam that seemed like the only two that were 543 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: keen to actually do some kind of One Direction reunion. 544 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like any of the other members cared 545 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, because it sounds like Louie's relationship with 546 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,239 Speaker 1: the other band members really dwindled since they split up. 547 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: Steven Bartlett ask Louis if he had had conversations with 548 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: the guys about how they were coping post One Direction, 549 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: and Louis admitted that he'd only had those conversations with Liam. 550 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: He said, when he sees the other boys, it's deeper 551 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: than surface level conversations, but sometimes there is the element 552 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: of feeling like it's all a bit of small talk, 553 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: whereas with Liam, he said he could speak on a 554 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: much deeper level. He said that Liam was almost like 555 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: a brother to him, and he really loved him deeply. 556 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: I was wondering if that's because not to be awful, 557 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: but in terms of success, Louis and Liam's solo careers 558 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: at that point were quite comparable. I mean, obviously Harry 559 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: Styles has done the best out of them, I'd say, 560 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: followed by Zay and then Nile, and maybe they felt 561 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: like they could be more open because there wasn't that 562 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: sort of competition. Well, Louis said he felt comfortable having 563 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: conversations with Liam about how much they missed the band, 564 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 1: whereas he said that they would never want to say 565 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: that to the other guys because they were worried that 566 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: maybe they'd be like, oh, things aren't going well in 567 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 1: their solo careers. I think it's that he didn't want 568 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: to be pitied by the more successful band members. And 569 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: it's clear that Louis has really struggled with comparing his 570 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: solo success to the days of One Direction. I mean, 571 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,239 Speaker 1: he has recently released a number one album. He's got 572 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: a new single out, which surprised me. I want to 573 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: listen to the song Lemonade. Have you heard it? No? 574 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: I did want to have a listen after the interview. 575 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: Was it good? I hate to say it because I 576 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: really wanted to like it, But no, I didn't like it. 577 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: I'm hoping that there are stronger songs on his album. 578 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: Is this like a Taylor Swift album? Though? Where you 579 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 1: first listened to the song, you're not really sure? Could 580 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: it grow on us? Maybe maybe I need to give 581 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: it another coach. Do you know what's crazy? The day 582 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: that we're recording this is actually a whole year since 583 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: Liam Payne passed away. Oh my god. And in this interview, 584 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: Louis revealed the moment he found out about Liam's passing. 585 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 1: So he said he was in his car in la 586 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: and he had just dropped off his son Freddy at 587 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: school and he was pulling back up when Nile rang him, 588 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: and he said, Nile said something along the lines of, oh, lads, 589 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: have you seen the news. I'm assuming that was a 590 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: four way call. 591 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. 592 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: Well, Louis didn't actually touch on whether it was, but 593 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: it must have been because I kept rewinding it to 594 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: sit here if he said lad or lads? Yeah, so, 595 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 1: and Louis said, as soon as Nile said those words, 596 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: he instantly knew what he meant, because he said he 597 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 1: had been worried about Liam for quite some time and 598 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: he actually had a similar feeling to when he found 599 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: out about his younger sister, Felicity's death of a drug overdose. 600 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: As you touched on, Kate, and he said that even 601 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: though he tried to give his one hundred and fifty 602 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: percent to Liam and his sister, it wasn't nearly enough, 603 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: and sometimes he has this arrogance where he thinks, maybe 604 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: I could have helped more. But what Liam was going 605 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: through was so much deeper than what he could have 606 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: done for him. It's sad to think that it wasn't 607 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: such a shock because obviously to all of us who 608 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: don't know Liam, we were absolutely flawed by it. But 609 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: it does make you feel sick thinking about the fact 610 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: that it was quite obvious to his band members and 611 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: his friends that things weren't quite going right for him, 612 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: and that you know that his mind is and everything 613 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: like that, couldn't have done more to help me. I 614 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: think there were a few concerned people online because he 615 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: was posting some quite bizarre videos and he was also 616 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: being ridiculed for a lot of the content. Remember he 617 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: was at Nile's concert and people were putting up these 618 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: mean tiktoks of him interacting with the crowds. Yeah. Well, 619 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: Louis actually spoke about the trolling that Liam received right 620 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: before his death, and as you said, Amy, it was 621 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: after he attended Nile's concert in Argentina. Let's have a 622 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: listen to what he said. 623 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 5: I take the tour thing for example, and he's at 624 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 5: the toy show and people were people were making comments 625 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 5: of how much he was loving the attention on a 626 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 5: service level. That's someone who wants attention if you just 627 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 5: look a little bit deeper, that's someone who's just been 628 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 5: in the biggest band in the world and wants those 629 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 5: situations again and had those live situations again and craves 630 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 5: for that. 631 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: That made me really sad because I remember before he 632 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: passed away seeing videos of him greeting fans outside of 633 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: his hotel, and he was so personable with them and 634 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: really spent a lot of time with them, and I mean, 635 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: you could tell he was really enjoying it, which I 636 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: think obviously people didn't like. People are like, oh, he's 637 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: just desperate for attention. Well, also when he was at 638 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: Na's performance, he was standing on the podium of the 639 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: VIP box he was in and everyone was chanting and 640 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: he was dancing and, as you said, lapping up the attention. 641 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: But as Louis put, well, if your career isn't going 642 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: as well as you'd like it to go, and you 643 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: have had success in the biggest bands in the world, 644 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,239 Speaker 1: then of course you're going to be craving a bit 645 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: of that attention. Yeah, of course, I mean you're going 646 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: to play into it. One of the saddest parts of 647 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: the interview for me was actually when Louis was talking 648 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: about how much Liam would have valued his friendship with 649 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: Stephen Bartlett for some reason that maybe you just feel 650 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,959 Speaker 1: so too, Yeah, as if that friendship was so special 651 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: because Steven's obviously very well known in the business world. 652 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: And even just the way Louis spoke about how misunderstood 653 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: Liam was, it really gave an insight into like it 654 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: kind of made me think of him as a baby 655 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: type of character. Louis described him as having puppy dog 656 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: energy and said that he had this huge desire to 657 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: be liked, and Louis said he wished if Liam could 658 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: have truly seen how people perceived him at the end 659 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: and how brilliant he was, because he would have been 660 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: absolutely shocked by the reaction. Louis also said that losing 661 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: Liam made him grieve the band again. Let's have a 662 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: listen to what he said. 663 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 5: There's now only three other people on the planet that 664 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 5: can deeply understand my professional journey like you never seen, 665 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 5: never have, but never like I just can't. I can't 666 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 5: ever imagine I'm not sure what would be right to him, 667 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 5: say sake of argument twenty five years time. It's like 668 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 5: a fucking Oasis thing. They offer us an arm and 669 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 5: a leg and they're like, come back and do this 670 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 5: many shows. I don't know, Yeah, I think it just 671 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 5: it just completely put a pen in all that. And 672 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 5: the irony is there was no one campaigning for One 673 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 5: Direction to get back together more than Lim, and like 674 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 5: I would say, I came in a close second. Actually, 675 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 5: like definitely. 676 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: It hurt my heart hearing how badly Liam had been 677 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: campaigning to get the band back together, because it would 678 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: have just been so epic. And Liam, when you listen 679 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: back to the songs, he was really the voice of 680 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: One Direction, So I can see how it would feel 681 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: wrong to do it without him. As much as I 682 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: would love to see a One Direction reunion, I just 683 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: don't think it would work. I love how Louis was like, 684 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if they tuck a bunch of 685 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: money at us, sure we would have come back. But 686 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: now there's a bit of a you know, a question 687 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: mark over because I mean it would just be incredibly sad. Well, 688 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: that is all we have time for today. Thank you, 689 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: so much for joining us for this episode. It was 690 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: nice to have all three of us back on board. 691 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: This episode was recorded on the traditional land of the 692 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: Ghana people of the Adelaide Plains. We pay respect to 693 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: elders past and present.