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Speaker 1: Hello, my name's Santasha Nabananga Bamblet. I'm a proud yor

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Speaker 1: acknowledging the elders, the ancestors and the next generation coming

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Speaker 1: through as this podcast is about connecting, empowering, knowledge sharing

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Speaker 2: Let's get into it.

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Speaker 3: She's on the Money, She's on the Money.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to She's on the Money.

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Speaker 3: So podcast that helps you master your money without feeling

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Speaker 3: like you need to go and get a finance degree.

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Speaker 3: If you've been watching the headlines and thinking v what

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Speaker 3: is the deal with the deep seat AI drama and

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Speaker 3: how are Trump's Tarif's going to shake things up? And

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Speaker 3: what's really happening with interest rates, my friend, you are

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Speaker 3: in exactly the right location.

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Speaker 2: Welcome.

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Speaker 3: My name is Victoria Devine and I am a retired

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Speaker 3: financial advisor who used to help hundreds of clients make

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Speaker 3: millions of dollars through investing. Now, the twenty twenty five

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Speaker 3: share market has been off to an eventful start, much

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Speaker 3: like TikTok has this year, with AI breakthroughs, global trade tensions,

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Speaker 3: and a looming Australian election that's going to shake a

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Speaker 3: lot of things up. I don't want you to start stressing, though.

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Speaker 3: I'm here and I'm going to be breaking down in

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Speaker 3: plain English, with no finance degree required, exactly what's going

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Speaker 3: on so that you can feel confident about what's ahead

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Speaker 3: and what that might mean for your investments. So let's

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Speaker 3: start with what I would say has everybody online talking.

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Speaker 2: Let's dive into deep Seek.

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Speaker 3: So this is a Chinese AI technology company that is

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Speaker 3: We're not talking millions or billions, we're talking trillions. So

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Speaker 3: for years, Navidia, if you've heard of it, great if

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Speaker 3: it's basically been what's supplying the really powerful GPU chips

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Speaker 3: So thanks to AI reliance, Navidia has become essentially a

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Speaker 3: End of the day, implementing tariffs, you are actually impacting

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Speaker 3: it's actually not just about who is in power, but

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Speaker 3: it's about what they will do or what they plan

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Speaker 3: to do once they get into power. So today I

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Speaker 3: feel like I have yapped at you and I am

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Speaker 3: wildly passionate about this. I love getting the opportunity to

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Speaker 3: do a little bit of a market update for you guys.

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Speaker 3: We've talked about AI, Trump's tariffs, We've talked about interest rates,

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Speaker 3: had a good chat about China's economy and the upcoming election.

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Speaker 2: And I feel like.

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Speaker 3: That sounds like a lot and I don't want that

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Speaker 3: to be overwhelming. But the good news is, let's be honest,

447
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Speaker 3: you actually don't need to predict the future or like

448
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Speaker 3: have a really strong grasp of these things to be

449
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Speaker 3: a smart and good investor. Like I am not individually

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Speaker 3: a better investor than my community are, Like I'm investing

451
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Speaker 3: in the same things as you guys, Like I am

452
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Speaker 3: the type of investor that you know. I'm a bit

453
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Speaker 3: set and forget, but I'm definitely about long term wins

454
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Speaker 3: and a good solid investor understands that markets are always

455
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Speaker 3: going to have their ups and downs, but the real

456
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Speaker 3: winner when it comes to investing is long term strategies.

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Speaker 3: You know, there might be a lot of conversation right

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Speaker 3: now about people going, oh, my gosh, have you.

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Speaker 2: Seen the video?

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Speaker 3: Have you seen you know, all of these new things

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Speaker 3: that you can invest in AI, And we get so

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Speaker 3: caught up in it thinking that there might be a

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Speaker 3: get rich quick option or an option that puts us

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Speaker 3: in the best possible position, But at the end of

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Speaker 3: the day, long term investors are the winners. So I've

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Speaker 3: written down a couple of key takeaways that I want

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Speaker 3: you to keep in mind as we move through the

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Speaker 3: rest of twenty twenty five. So number one, I already

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Speaker 3: hit the nail on the head with this one before

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Speaker 3: Diversification is key. Never put your money into just one sector.

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Speaker 3: Like we spoke before about the difference between bank and

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Speaker 3: tech and how when one does well, the other might

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Speaker 3: be a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Off, and vice versa.

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Speaker 3: And in twenty twenty four last year, banks and tech

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Speaker 3: both thrived, but mining was actually struggling, and things could actually.

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Speaker 2: Completely shift this year.

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Speaker 3: So if you're not sure where to start, and you're

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Speaker 3: like ve like you said banks and tech might not

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Speaker 3: do as well, or vice versa, like should I be

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Speaker 3: investing in mining, like I don't know what this means?

482
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Speaker 3: Like why not consider an exchange traded fund? I talk

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Speaker 3: about them all the time if you want to go

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Speaker 3: and look, I've done a whole heap of podcasts on

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Speaker 3: understanding ETFs. But they are a fantastic way to automatically

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Speaker 3: diversify your risk like they are a fantastic way of

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Speaker 3: getting into the market, and just knowing I haven't put

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Speaker 3: all my eggs in one basket, I have actually, you know,

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Speaker 3: immediately diversified across a number of different industries, across a

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Speaker 3: number of different sectors. And I think that's low key,

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Speaker 3: very sexy. But you could pick them in terms of

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Speaker 3: your sector or industry as well. So say you're like Pavia,

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Speaker 3: I really like tech. Well, that's super exciting and I'm

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Speaker 3: glad that you want to invest in tech. Have you

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Speaker 3: considered a tech specific ETF so that you could potentially

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Speaker 3: invest into the space that we're passionate about, but give

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Speaker 3: yourself a better long term chance. Instead of just picking

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Speaker 3: one asset or one company inside the tech space, why

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Speaker 3: not go and pick a number of them so that

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Speaker 3: you can get exposure to all of them. The second

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Speaker 3: thing I want you to understand, and I've spoken about

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Speaker 3: this before about the ebbs and the flows of the

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Speaker 3: market and how backtracking. I've said this on the podcast before,

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Speaker 3: but over your lifetime, you're probably going to see at

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Speaker 3: least seven market dips, Like that's a lot of market dips,

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Speaker 3: and that feels tumultuous, and that is going to put

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Speaker 3: a pit in the bottom of your stomach every single time.

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Speaker 3: Like I'm a retired financial advisor and that still happens

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Speaker 3: to me when I log into my share trading platform

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Speaker 3: and I see my stocks are down, like I'd question

511
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Speaker 3: have I done the right things? Like what's going on here?

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Speaker 3: And I really need to remember that at the end

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Speaker 3: of the day, market dips can create opportunities. When a

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Speaker 3: share price drops because of volatility, whether it's Trump jumping

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Speaker 3: up and down online or on a stage talking about

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Speaker 3: his tariffs, or China's slow down or something else, it's

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Speaker 3: not always a bad thing. And if you're investing in strong,

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Speaker 3: good companies that have a proven track record, these dips

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Speaker 3: in their share price could actually be a really good

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Speaker 3: opportunity to buy quality stocks at a discount. And that's,

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Speaker 3: from my perspective, a really great opportunity. If you're like

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Speaker 3: looking at a particular stock and you've decided it's a

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Speaker 3: really good stock, I've been following it for a while,

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Speaker 3: I think that it could be a great opportunity. Like

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Speaker 3: if you were looking at Navidia, for example, and you

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Speaker 3: saw that on that day their share price dropped by

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Speaker 3: seventeen percent. You could see it two ways. You could

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Speaker 3: have been like, oh my god, and a video dropped

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Speaker 3: by seventeen percent. That makes me feel sick. Maybe it's

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Speaker 3: not as good of an asset as I thought it was.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to steer clear because that type of volatility

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Speaker 3: is wild. Or you could have looked at the company

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Speaker 3: and thought, actually, I did my research. They're still you know,

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Speaker 3: providing these chips. They are a really big part of

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Speaker 3: the you know, global economy. When it comes to AI,

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Speaker 3: maybe that's an opportunity to get a seventeen percent discount

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Speaker 3: because I was already looking at paying market value for

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Speaker 3: it just to get in. So you could see it

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Speaker 3: one of two ways. Neither way is correct or incorrect.

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Speaker 3: It's all about perception and you're making a decision that

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Speaker 3: is in line with your values and what you want

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Speaker 3: to achieve. And speaking, I guess more about AI in

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Speaker 3: tech when it comes to Deep Seek, their rise, I

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Speaker 3: would say has shown just how fast and how quickly

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Speaker 3: moving the AI space is. It's ever evolving, And to

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Speaker 3: me that's a little bit scary because I'm like, this

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Speaker 3: is actually crazy. Like I can ask chat, GPT anything

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Speaker 3: and you're telling me that this stuff is going to

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Speaker 3: get even smarter and that this space is only just started.

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Speaker 3: And I feel like innovation is happening every day, and

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Speaker 3: innovation is going to continue to drive opportunities in tech stocks.

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Speaker 3: So it's definitely worth keeping an eye on them and

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Speaker 3: on the space. And I don't think that deep Seek

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Speaker 3: is the only one that's going to rise. I think

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Speaker 3: that there's going to be other people and other organizations

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Speaker 3: that make news and make it to the media this

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Speaker 3: year for discovering different things and being on the forefront

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Speaker 3: of things. And I think it's also important that when

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Speaker 3: you see these tech companies, like you see deep Seek

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Speaker 3: and you're like, oh my gosh, like I need to

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Speaker 3: get in on that, because I missed out on when

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Speaker 3: Navidia was selling for the first time, and I missed

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Speaker 3: out on the rise of Xyzed. Like there's always going

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Speaker 3: to be another opportunity. And if something is being spoken

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Speaker 3: about consistently in the media, that doesn't necessarily mean it

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Speaker 3: is a really good investment decision for you. Sometimes if

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Speaker 3: the media has finally gotten hold of it and the

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Speaker 3: share price has absolutely skyrocketed, that actually is the biggest

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Speaker 3: point of risk. In investment because we can't be sure

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Speaker 3: that their share price has increased because the company's good.

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Speaker 3: It could have just increased because so many people are

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Speaker 3: talking about it and so many people are purchasing it.

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Speaker 3: And if you get a mass amount of people purchasing

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Speaker 3: one asset, it's share price increases, and it could just

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Speaker 3: be due to popularity, and it's like overly inflated share price.

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Speaker 3: Now is something that you're considering because of that herd mentality,

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Speaker 3: and I just don't want you to fall for it,

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Speaker 3: so we need to be really careful. Now, let's just

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Speaker 3: wrap up on that, because I feel like I could

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Speaker 3: talk about this until literally the cows come home. But

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Speaker 3: I guess after all of this, I hope I haven't

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Speaker 3: overwhelmed you. I hope you want more conversations like this

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Speaker 3: because I am so ready to have them. But I

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Speaker 3: want you to remember that successful investors they're patient, They

585
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Speaker 3: are kind of boring, like we are diversified informed, like

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Speaker 3: we know that markets are always going to recover because

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Speaker 3: history shows us that. Literally, like, go and look at

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Speaker 3: the share market price over one hundred year period, even

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Speaker 3: after every single downturn, the share market bounces back over

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Speaker 3: time and not only does it bounce back, but it

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Speaker 3: goes up even higher than where it was before, Like,

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Speaker 3: there is no need for you to time the market

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Speaker 3: because the real investors that are making real money are

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Speaker 3: investing consistently over the long term and trusting their long

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Speaker 3: term strategy as opposed to trying to chase the next

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Speaker 3: tech stock, Like, please remember that, so stick to your strategy,

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Speaker 3: keep learning, And I would say most importantly, you can

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Speaker 3: be excited about short term noise, like you can do

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Speaker 3: what I do and like dive in and watch every

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Speaker 3: single TikTok on na video. You can look it up

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Speaker 3: and read every single news article, like I have my

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00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 3: Google alerts on for na video so that I know

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Speaker 3: what's going on because I'm just so interested in it.

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Speaker 3: But don't let that short term noise shake your confidence

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Speaker 3: when it comes to being a solid investor, like you

606
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Speaker 3: are making decisions for future you and just because one

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Speaker 3: person said something doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to

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Speaker 3: stick and be the best thing. I promise you've got

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