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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda in the morning.

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Speaker 2: Sam, Well, I'll tell you what, There's never been a

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Speaker 2: more suitable time to talk to our next guest. She's

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Speaker 2: an immunologist. Her name is doctor Jennaman Schocki. She has

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Speaker 2: over twenty years experience as a scientist for searching the

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Speaker 2: impact of lifestyle on the immune system in health and disease.

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Speaker 2: She's got a new book called Immunity and Well. What

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Speaker 2: a timely time to have you on our program. Good morning,

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Speaker 2: doctor Jenna.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 3: So doctor Jenna, I'd like to ask this question. Drinking

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Speaker 3: hot water will that stop coronavirus? Have you heard that?

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Speaker 3: That's the thing, that's really one thing I've heard.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's crazy. I've heard that so many times.

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Speaker 1: Definitely not. I don't know where this has come from

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Speaker 1: and why it's still doing their owns, But that's a nil.

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Speaker 3: And what about the holding your breath for ten seconds,

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Speaker 3: so you've suck in some air and then you hold

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Speaker 3: it for ten seconds, that means that you haven't got it.

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Speaker 1: Apparently, Oh my god, I think my husband was doing

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Speaker 1: that whenever he goes jogging. Types of both people. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's right, it's definitely not helpful.

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Speaker 2: You've been researching viruses and immunity for over twenty years.

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Speaker 2: As we said, are you surprised at the global pandemic

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Speaker 2: wherein now because of coronavirus?

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Speaker 1: In some ways yes, In some ways no, I think

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Speaker 1: it's always a possibility. But when we look at the

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Speaker 1: stars and mirrors outbreaks in the past a few decades,

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Speaker 1: that kind of lurided into a false sense of security

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Speaker 1: because they kind of were different. They resolved themselves, and

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Speaker 1: they were not the widespread global issue that this current

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Speaker 1: coronavirus problem is. So I think there was that little

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Speaker 1: kind of you know, tentatives maybe it'll be okay before

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Speaker 1: we got to where we are now.

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Speaker 3: So swine FLUW in two thousand and nine, when that

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Speaker 3: came out, that was pretty bad, but we didn't have

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Speaker 3: the information that we have now. Is swineflow Is coronavirus

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Speaker 3: worse than swine FLUW?

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Speaker 1: I think they're just different. They're different viruses from different families,

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Speaker 1: so they function quite differently. One of the unique features

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Speaker 1: about the current coronavirus is the possibility of pre symptomatic

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Speaker 1: or asymptomatic carriers. In some countries, they've studied this and

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Speaker 1: set up to six percent of the population might have

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Speaker 1: no symptoms and therefore be spreading it. And this has

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Speaker 1: been you know, in part why it's been so transmissible,

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Speaker 1: and that's part of the problem.

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Speaker 2: Is there a possibility, I know, we're working on a

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Speaker 2: vaccine for this, but that may be a couple of

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Speaker 2: years away. We're also talking about the fact that some

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Speaker 2: people who've had it have been reinfected as we're hearing

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Speaker 2: about I think in South Korea, is it possible that

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Speaker 2: we will never ever get on top of this and

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Speaker 2: it might be like a cold that will never have

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Speaker 2: a cure.

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Speaker 1: For I do think that it's not going away anytime soon,

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Speaker 1: and it might just be a lingering part of society

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Speaker 1: as we know it going forward. Obviously, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of people sitting at home isolating, so that means there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of people who've never been exposed to this,

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Speaker 1: and as we start to phase going back to normal

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Speaker 1: quite a considerable amount of time before everyone eventually gets it,

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Speaker 1: and it could be just something that pops up year

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Speaker 1: and year out and we can catch together and again, wow, that's.

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Speaker 2: A terrifying possibility. What can we personally do to help

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Speaker 2: our own immunity because obviously some of us are going

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Speaker 2: to have better natural immunity than others.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's a complicated picture where coronavirus is concerned.

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Speaker 1: We really have to follow the government advice. There's few

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Speaker 1: quick fixes, as I write about in the book. And

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Speaker 1: your immunity is kind of the sum of many different things.

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Speaker 1: So it's partly your genetics. So we're all born with

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Speaker 1: a certain sort of deck of cards, and some people

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Speaker 1: will be more susceptible to certain types of infection than others.

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Speaker 1: There's not really a hierarchy, so you might recognize yourself

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Speaker 1: that you're more prone to certain types of infections but

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Speaker 1: live your life. So that's been really the focus of

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Speaker 1: what I've been looking at, and it's a combination of

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Speaker 1: you're exercising, how you're taking care of your stress, how

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Speaker 1: well you're sleeping, you know, and your gut to microbiota,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of this combination of all of these factors

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Speaker 1: time throughout our lifetime that's going to give us the

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Speaker 3: The other one I heard was drinking beer can help

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Speaker 3: boost your immune system.

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Speaker 2: You made that up.

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Speaker 1: I think I think that's wishful thinking. It might actually

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Speaker 1: be the opposite.

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Speaker 3: Really, except doctor, please do not tell me it's the opposite.

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Speaker 3: It can't be the I heard.

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Speaker 2: I've heard that the stinky of the food, the more

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Speaker 2: it will boost your immune system, like it's sardines and

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Speaker 2: things like that. Is there any truth to that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about smell. I haven't heard that one,

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Speaker 1: But you know, I think diversity is key, all those

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Speaker 1: different colorful fruits and vegetables. Getting really good quality source

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Speaker 1: of protein obviously, looking to the sea for a fish

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Speaker 1: and seafood is a really great way to get lean,

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Speaker 1: healthy protein in your diet and a good source of

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Speaker 1: the healthy media. Three facts that's your immune system use

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Speaker 1: to temper that inflammatory fire and stop any kind of

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Speaker 1: collateral damage that we might get.

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Speaker 3: Papa sardine in my beer. Then so you covered me.

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Speaker 3: I think this sounds like.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Jennet, this is great. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 3: joining us the new book community. The Science of Stuff

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Speaker 3: Saying Well is in all good bookstores today. Doctor Genimer Chockie,

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Speaker 3: thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Oh you're welcome. Thanks for having me. Thank you join

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Speaker 1: the and Amanda, Good morning one at one point seven.

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Speaker 1: Tell you