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Speaker 1: Powered by the radio WAB from ninety six air m

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Speaker 1: to whereever you're listening today. This is Clearzy and Lisa's podcast.

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Speaker 2: Coming up on the podcast today, Darren Hayes Unmasked, on

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Speaker 2: the Masked singer.

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Speaker 3: Jace Andrews, both about his giant trucks. Of course, with

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Speaker 3: the Four Wheel Drive Show, we.

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Speaker 2: Check in on the Gaza situation with Jonathan Kursley.

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Speaker 3: And on the Shore Report he had me at the

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Speaker 3: Peanuts story lease, but there were so much more.

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Speaker 2: I hate starting a sentence with influencer responds to an

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Speaker 2: influencer says, but.

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Speaker 4: This is what what I've got to work with.

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Speaker 5: YEA.

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Speaker 2: An influencer, her name is Anna Danskovsky, has just had

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Speaker 2: her boyfriend's name tattooed on a far ahead forehead and

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Speaker 2: not small either, enormous takes up the whole forehead.

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Speaker 4: And his name's Kevin.

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Speaker 6: Kevin, not even a fun name to love for Kevin's apologies.

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Speaker 2: To be fair, it's a very nice font, but Kevin

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Speaker 2: taking up the whole forehead. And she's responded, She's responded

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Speaker 2: to people saying that she will regret it, which seems

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Speaker 2: a fair assumption. I also think you will regret it, Anna,

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Speaker 2: She says, no, she won't. People have been commenting on

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Speaker 2: her video of her getting it done.

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Speaker 4: He'll love it.

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Speaker 2: Your ex boyfriend will hate it, though, Another said that

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Speaker 2: is literally the stupidest I shall say thing I've ever seen.

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Speaker 2: A third said, as a tattoo artist, I would never

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Speaker 2: do this to another human being. However, Anna has responded

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Speaker 2: to the backlash and told everyone that it's none of

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Speaker 2: their business what she does. When you put the video

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Speaker 2: on Facebook, you twit. You can't have it both ways.

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Speaker 2: You can't not like the comments and then go it's

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Speaker 2: not your business. You just forced it down our throats anyway,

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Speaker 2: she says. She says, I'm so in love with my boyfriend.

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Speaker 2: This is how you actually prove it. And she's accusing

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Speaker 2: everyone else, the people with you know, lonely unblemish fire yes,

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Speaker 2: who don't have their boyfriend's name on them, as being

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Speaker 2: less less in love.

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Speaker 6: So she's only ever if she breaks up with Kevin,

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Speaker 6: she's only ever dating another Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's that's pretty much what she's locked herself into,

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Speaker 2: isn't it.

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Speaker 3: She's even influencer though, so she could maybe change it

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Speaker 3: in calvinate or if she wants to get some sponsors.

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Speaker 2: That I mean, really, is that really how you want

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Speaker 2: to be influenced? She's to be fair, A lot of

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Speaker 2: people are saying the video is fake, and they're saying, oh,

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Speaker 2: that tattoo gun's not really doing it, but she insists

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Speaker 2: it's real. Skeptical, she sits there with Kevin with glad

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Speaker 2: rap wrapped around her head.

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Speaker 4: Because you know, I've just just been done, insisting it's real.

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Speaker 2: Never seen anything look more intelligent in my life. A

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Speaker 2: woman with Kevin written on her forehead wrapped in glad rap.

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Speaker 6: It's good, is it?

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Speaker 4: Saying this is the way you show your love?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 4: I can't Cleary, I just.

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Speaker 7: Life.

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Speaker 8: Well.

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Speaker 2: Last night was the grand finale of the Mass singer

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Speaker 2: Dummy m Aka the snow Fox was crowned the winner.

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Speaker 4: The runner up was The Grim Reaper.

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Speaker 2: Oka Darren Hayes, who joins us now, good morning, Darren.

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Speaker 5: I'm good. It's such a funny title. I love it.

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Speaker 2: The Grim Reaper such a funny Well, did you get

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Speaker 2: any say in which costume you got? I mean, isn't

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Speaker 2: the Grim Reaper a little well grim?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: Actually it's funny. I think Well, I got approval over costumes.

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Speaker 9: But they sent that through and I loved it, so

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Speaker 9: I just went, yeah. I thought it was hilarious and

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Speaker 9: and it threw people off the scent a little bit

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Speaker 9: until the first episode when I was guessed immediately Yeah, yeaheah.

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Speaker 4: I actually really like the costume.

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Speaker 2: It's sort of a bit Willy Wonka meets Pirates of

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Speaker 2: the Cabin Caribbean needs a feed.

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Speaker 4: It's it's a good.

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Speaker 5: You don't want you don't want me to style you

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Speaker 4: No, I like it. I do want you to style

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Speaker 5: No, it was really cool.

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Speaker 9: I was just grateful that I had legs and I

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Speaker 9: didn't look like a tennis ball, do you know what

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Speaker 3: Like, yeah, go that way, but a few costumes that Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's hard to hide your voice. Did you think about

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Speaker 3: trying to sing poorly at some stage or you just

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Speaker 9: First of all, I love you for saying that about me.

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Speaker 9: I didn't think about that. I know some people do.

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Speaker 9: And we talked to the producers in the beginning, and honestly,

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Speaker 9: I think I have a voice that's unique.

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Speaker 5: People either love it or hate it.

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Speaker 9: But I thought, here's what's going to happen, I'll be

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Speaker 9: guessed immediately and then I'll be sent home. Ah, And

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Speaker 9: it didn't happen because I guess I didn't realize how

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Speaker 9: the show works and if they like the way you sing,

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Speaker 9: you get you get a good score. So I ended

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Speaker 9: up having an amazing month in Sydney and just it

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Speaker 9: was hilenious.

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Speaker 5: So Abby knew who I was.

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Speaker 9: I guess a lot of Australia did, and either Melby

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Speaker 5: But I got to hang around. It was amazing, really amazing.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: Just on the subject of the costume again, I imagine

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Speaker 2: some of them would be very, very hot and very

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Speaker 2: hard to maneuver around him when you're trying to perform.

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Speaker 5: Listen, it was almost impossible.

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Speaker 9: I'm so lucky that I could move my head around

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Speaker 9: in it, and you know, I'm twenty five to ten.

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Speaker 9: That thing was I don't know, twelve feet tall, so

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Speaker 9: I had almost like a grid iron sort of brace

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Speaker 9: not ideal for breathing.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it was very very humiliating.

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Speaker 9: Guys, Let's face it, I called it the monk at costume.

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Speaker 9: I had to just come to terms with that and

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Speaker 9: just pray to God. I was hitting the right notes.

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Speaker 4: A totally different type of night out, doesn't it.

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Speaker 6: Hands are up, You just don't care.

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Speaker 5: It's near like memory.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about your return to the music industry last

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Speaker 2: year after well, you know, it has been a bit

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Speaker 9: Oh, gosh, you know, I this is a lot grim

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Speaker 9: like George Michael, Michael Jackson. Just this year, Madonna almost

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Speaker 5: I got to play in Perth earlier this year. It

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Speaker 5: was an incredible experience to see people who had patiently.

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Speaker 9: Waited for me to get my a into gear.

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Speaker 5: If I can be Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 9: It was a beautiful experience in the show showed me

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Speaker 9: the same thing. I think just seeing Abby's reaction and

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Speaker 9: knowing that I'm enough to have grown up with people

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Speaker 9: who have memories associated with some things I've done is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like Savage Garden never ran its course

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Speaker 2: in terms of you know, people were, but no one

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Speaker 2: felt like a pause, really a long porch.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, No, it definitely was.

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Speaker 9: You know, the band absolutely ended on a high note,

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Speaker 9: and yeah, prematurely. And I think there's a really beautiful

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Speaker 9: I don't sing them, they don't really get performed. And

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Speaker 9: I'm really aware of that now. I think I feel

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Speaker 3: Well to talk about that touring that show on Perth,

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Speaker 3: because I was there. My son loves you and loves

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Speaker 3: So but his birthday present for his twenty fifth was

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Speaker 3: We're sitting there at Perth Arena, and to see the

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Speaker 9: It is, And that's the thing I don't take for granted,

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Speaker 9: I really, you know, when the audacity to sort of

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Speaker 9: ask people to it's not you know, concert tickets are

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Speaker 5: Who remembered these have these memories. It's a it's a

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Speaker 2: Another inroad into that, of course, was teaming up with

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Speaker 2: Peaking Duck. It really has been the year of Hayes

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Speaker 2: teaming up with Peaking Duck for the remix of I

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Speaker 2: Want You. I love those guys because they're bonkers? Are they?

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Speaker 2: That's how they seem to me anyway. Are they as

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Speaker 5: Shirts off, tits out, just like what I just listen?

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Speaker 9: I love them, love them they They did a remix

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Speaker 9: of the song, and Uncle Grumpy is who I call

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Speaker 9: the other guy in Savadagarden, had said no, and I

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Speaker 9: was so outraged. I was like, you, it's incredible. So

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Speaker 9: I offered to just re sing it for them. So

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Speaker 9: that's me, all right. They flew over to Santa Monica

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Speaker 9: and I spent a day at the studio with them,

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Speaker 9: and that's a note for note re recording of me

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Speaker 9: doing that vocal for them as a favor, and we

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Speaker 3: So that was the That was the loophole to get

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Speaker 3: through Uncle Crumpy. I having watched you so recently it

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Speaker 3: was only February that show. Which is the toughest song

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Speaker 3: to sing? Is that affirmation? Though there was some of

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Speaker 3: those songs are not easy to sing.

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Speaker 6: I'm sure you know.

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Speaker 9: That's so funny. I find that and the animal song

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Speaker 9: who is actually the guy that directs you too. He's

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Speaker 9: done all of the Savage Garden shows right from the

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Speaker 9: nineties all the way through to every.

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Speaker 5: Show that I've ever done.

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Speaker 9: He's done their new show in Las Vegas, That's Sphere

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Speaker 2: what's next Darren, and nice to get the costume off

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Speaker 5: Down finally breathe, guys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, glad you didn't have to try and do affirmation

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, lovely to chat to you.

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Speaker 1: More more Lisa, More podcasts.

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Speaker 4: Soon, Cley.

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Speaker 2: Since Matthew Perry sadly died, the reruns of Friends have

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Speaker 2: This is of course what you get, you know, down

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Speaker 2: Ray Romano gets eighteen million dollars a year for residuals

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Speaker 6: He doesn't have to sit on the catch and screech.

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Speaker 2: The death toll in Gaza has passed a pretty grim

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Speaker 6: Welcome crazy lady.

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Speaker 7: Good morning to you both.

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Speaker 2: Jonathan, these ranting forces well and truly in the center

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Speaker 3: It comes down to fundamental things that we appreciate in well,

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Speaker 7: support too. This is a very delicate regional, global situation

443
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Speaker 7: at the month.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is in the Balis and you mentioned world

445
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Speaker 3: leaders and you know if your foreign ministers are having

446
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Speaker 3: essa around the planet. But even former President Barack Obamas

447
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Speaker 3: chipped in, does it Does it help when Barack Obama says, look,

448
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Speaker 3: nobody's hands are clean in this. Everyone wants to have

449
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Speaker 3: this al Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Again, I think you're right on this clothing. I mean,

451
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Speaker 7: and what you're looking at as a situation where everybody

452
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Speaker 7: now wants to say their piece if you like Barack Obama, Yeah, exactly.

453
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Speaker 7: I think when Barack Obabba was the Tootham President of

454
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Speaker 7: the United States, he had issues in trying to deal

455
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Speaker 7: with the Middle East situation push for a two state

456
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Speaker 7: solution of his own, and he did say in those

457
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Speaker 7: comments he did look back and wish there were things

458
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Speaker 7: he'd done differently. I think that too, is worth taking

459
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Speaker 7: into perspective in all of this. He's not just out

460
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Speaker 7: there trying to say here's what should be done, here's

461
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Speaker 7: what needs.

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Speaker 1: To be done.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 7: There is a sense of reflection from him too that

465
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Speaker 7: he wishes he could have done things differently to not

466
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Speaker 7: get to this position. But right now, global leaders have

467
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Speaker 7: to accept that the position that they are in now

468
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Speaker 7: is one that cannot go on, and somehow there needs

469
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Speaker 7: to be a move for change. What is that change

470
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Speaker 7: and how do you get there? The large acceptance is

471
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Speaker 7: for a two state solution, but if you can't get

472
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Speaker 7: the main parties on the ground to agree to that,

473
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Speaker 7: it just remains very, very difficult to see how you

474
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Speaker 7: get any step forward on a path to piece in

475
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Speaker 7: a region that has seen so much conflict.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well, Darnathan, we'll leave it there. Thank

477
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Speaker 2: you so much for your update today.

478
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Speaker 7: Always good to talk to you in Yellishness.

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Speaker 1: More Crazy, More Lisa, More podcasts soon the Sure Report

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Speaker 1: on ninety six.

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Speaker 2: AIRVM director Ridley Scott is copying it from historians over

482
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Speaker 2: his Napoleon movie. Though some early critics have dubbed the

483
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Speaker 2: historical drama are masterpiece, some have taken a detailed look

484
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Speaker 2: at the trailer and of pinpointed elements that fail to

485
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Speaker 2: match what's written in.

486
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Speaker 4: The history books.

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Speaker 2: From what I've gathered, they're pretty small things like the

488
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Speaker 2: length of Marie Antoinette's hair at our execution. Napoleon, which

489
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Speaker 2: has work In Phoenix in the lead role, is out

490
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Speaker 2: two weeks tomorrow, so you can be your own judge

491
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Speaker 2: and really, Scott has told the nitpickers to quote unquote

492
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Speaker 2: get a life. Get Back director Peter Jackson says more

493
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Speaker 2: Beatles music is certainly conceivable despite last week's a new

494
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Speaker 2: release now and then being touted as the final release ever.

495
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Speaker 2: He says, we can take a performance from Get Back,

496
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Speaker 2: separate John and George and then have Paul and Ringo

497
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Speaker 2: at a chorus or harmonies. Look, does this come under

498
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Speaker 2: the heading of just because you can doesn't necessarily mean

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Speaker 2: you should.

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Speaker 6: It doesn't mean it's good.

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Speaker 2: If you're having to dig around and really sort of

502
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Speaker 2: hobb or something together like that.

503
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Speaker 4: Is it really a Beatles song? I don't know.

504
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Speaker 2: A new Peanuts film has just been announced. The movie

505
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Speaker 2: will take Charlie brown Snoopy Linus, Lucy Franklin Schroeder, and

506
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Speaker 2: Peppermint Patty on an epic adventure to the Big City.

507
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Speaker 2: I don't see Woostock's name there. They don't name the

508
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Speaker 2: big city, but think New York, sticking very much to

509
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Speaker 2: the typical Peanuts brief. Along the way, they'll meet new

510
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Speaker 2: friends and learn the true meaning of friendship.

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Speaker 4: Charlie Brown, you had.

512
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Speaker 6: Me a Peppermint Patty.

513
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Speaker 2: And the biggest newspaper chain in the in the US

514
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Speaker 2: has just hired a full time Taylor Swift reporter.

515
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Speaker 6: Oh really, this point right.

516
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Speaker 2: Person has gone to journalism school YEP to become a

517
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Speaker 2: full time Taylor Swift reporter. USA Today has just put

518
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Speaker 2: on a journal to exclusively cover Swifty for the chains

519
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Speaker 2: more than two hundred local papers.

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Speaker 4: I have no words.

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Speaker 6: They camped out the front of the boyfriend's house.

522
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Speaker 4: Than you, boy, I have no words.

523
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Speaker 6: I think it's only just begun, Lisa.

524
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Speaker 3: I want to briefly touch on this freak act by

525
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Speaker 3: Glenn Maxwell. He's training cricketer last night.

526
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Speaker 4: Well when he fell out of the golf buggy a few.

527
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Speaker 3: Days ago, fell out of a golf buggy and mister

528
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Speaker 3: game of cricket land on his head, like unbelievable. Comes back.

529
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Speaker 3: Last night we're playing Afghanistan. Afghanistan batted really well, made

530
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Speaker 3: five for two hudred ninety one, right, and so the

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Speaker 3: young afghanistanis they dared to dream they were going to

532
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Speaker 3: upset the Aussies in the World Cup. Australia come out

533
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Speaker 3: and a four for forty nine when Maxwell comes to

534
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Speaker 3: the crease, and then eventually they've all the other batsmen

535
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Speaker 3: are getting out a Marsh and Stark and all of

536
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Speaker 3: the boys are getting dismissed cheaply, and it's seven for

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Speaker 3: ninety one.

538
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Speaker 4: Had Injrew's working mysterious way.

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Speaker 3: It's unbelievable. And then he's scored. So he's scored two

540
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Speaker 3: hundred and one off one hundred and twenty eight balls.

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Speaker 3: His captain Cummins is down the other end scores twelve

542
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Speaker 3: and all of that time twenty one fours, ten six

543
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Speaker 3: is he's got full body cramp, so he's wriggling around

544
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Speaker 3: on the ground like doing the worm. He's in agony

545
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Speaker 3: and they win the game and progress. So they won

546
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Speaker 3: the game by three wickets. It was fantastic, just freaky.

547
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Speaker 3: So so there's people who went to bed last night

548
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Speaker 3: and said, oh, we're seven for ninety one. We're useless.

549
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Speaker 3: I hate a guy cricket missed out on an absolute treat.

550
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Speaker 3: Oh well, they call him the big show.

551
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Speaker 2: The Perth four We'll Drive an adventure shows on this

552
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Speaker 2: Friday to Sunday at McCallum Park in vic Parky.

553
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Speaker 4: You need to get tickets for it and.

554
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Speaker 2: They are available through Premiere Events and Jays Andrews, who

555
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Speaker 2: is on All for Adventure, which you can catch on

556
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Speaker 2: Sunday mornings on ten Bolders with Us.

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Speaker 6: Hello Jason Jace, Hey, hew A, you going to go good?

558
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Speaker 2: So you're obviously going to be in town for this.

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Speaker 2: What's going on this weekend? What can people see and do?

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Speaker 8: Oh? Yeah, OK, I haven't been for two years now,

561
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Speaker 8: so I'm kin to get back there. But it is

562
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Speaker 8: one of the one of the best shows I reckon

563
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Speaker 8: in Perth, you know, for the year.

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Speaker 7: It's a full.

565
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Speaker 8: Driving adventure show maintains everything caravan, camping, cooking, bush cooking,

566
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Speaker 8: you name it.

567
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Speaker 7: Vehicles to see.

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Speaker 8: There's young caravans, there's brand new vehicles, there's it's just

569
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Speaker 8: everything and anything to do with four wheel drive adventuring

570
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Speaker 8: like there's there's even a test track, there's mad there's

571
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Speaker 8: so much to scene do.

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Speaker 6: There have been a couple of years.

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Speaker 4: So you can back in, back up a caravan.

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Speaker 6: I reckon.

575
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Speaker 4: Reverse competition. That'd be good.

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Speaker 6: It wouldn't be bad.

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Speaker 3: I may tell you, Ben, for a couple of years,

578
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Speaker 3: what are your favorite spots over here to do to

579
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Speaker 3: driving and you know a bit of fishing and the

580
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Speaker 3: like of you know when you get here.

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Speaker 8: Well, I know all about Perth and Western Australia. Spent

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Speaker 8: a lot of time over there. I started saying to

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Speaker 8: Western Australia when I was twenty one.

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Speaker 7: So mate, I just love the.

585
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Speaker 8: Top end of Perth, sorry, the top end of Western

586
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Speaker 8: Australia there, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Mount and Ningaloo, Yeah, yeah, you name it.

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Speaker 6: Australia has it all.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 2: I guess this is part of why it's such a

591
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Speaker 2: popular pastime here in w Away, because of the size

592
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Speaker 2: of our state, because of what it offers, and the

593
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Speaker 2: fact that a lot of it is only excess. Some

594
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Speaker 2: of the really good stuff is only accessible with four

595
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Speaker 2: wheel drive.

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Speaker 6: Oh hell yeah, hell yeah.

597
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Look, there are places that I've been up in Western

599
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Speaker 8: Australia that'll just blow your mind if you haven't been there.

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Speaker 8: And some of the most remote yet spectacular country in Australia,

601
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Speaker 8: no doubt about that.

602
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Speaker 3: Hey, Jason, do you just get amazed by how incredible

603
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Speaker 3: and how comfortable the vehicles can be. Now, It's not like,

604
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Speaker 3: you know, Albi Mangles, he's beat up things on the

605
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Speaker 3: old track anymore, is it.

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Speaker 8: Well, I've done a bit of both. I've got an

607
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Speaker 8: old feed up highluks with few tires on it that

608
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Speaker 8: I drive into, you know, like literally drive where there's

609
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Speaker 8: no tracks at all. You know, we've done plenty of

610
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Speaker 8: that sort of real adventuring stuff. And then we've also

611
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Speaker 8: built some of the latest and greatest high tech vehicles

612
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 8: and taking them to you know, our latest season, we're

613
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Speaker 8: going to be in the Kimberlee tackling the toughest track

614
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Speaker 8: in Australia in the high tech, brand new truck you've

615
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Speaker 8: ever seen?

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Speaker 2: Ye for adventure, and I'm all for adventure, But Jason,

617
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Speaker 2: some of these four wheel drives that get around the

618
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Speaker 2: city these days don't get any further off road than

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Speaker 2: their driveway. What do you make of And now we're

620
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Speaker 2: seeing a lot of these big American trucks taking over

621
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Speaker 2: our streets and car parks.

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Speaker 4: What do you make of this?

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Speaker 2: They're going to have to start making car parks bigger

624
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Speaker 2: because you can't open your door once you've got two

625
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 2: of these things next to each other.

626
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Speaker 8: No, well, I actually own a few of those, do you,

627
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Speaker 8: And I've tested them not only in the bush, but

628
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Speaker 8: I've also tested them more calling.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, school pick up whatever.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's not really designed for that, That's what I'm saying.

631
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I bet when you pull up at a

632
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Speaker 2: stop sign, you stop a little bit further back so

633
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Speaker 2: people in very small cars like mine can see past you.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, you don't want to.

635
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Speaker 8: You want to be careful with those little cars because

636
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Speaker 8: you might just drive straight over the top.

637
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Speaker 2: I have more luxy underneath the cars that I pull

638
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Speaker 2: up next to you than you know around them.

639
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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a little bit like that mine. You need

640
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Speaker 8: to step ladder to get into.

641
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Speaker 6: Really.

642
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Speaker 3: Sometimes of the shows you say, I know, I know, bloke,

643
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Speaker 3: when last year you nearly brought himself a beautiful massive motorhime.

644
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Speaker 3: I think you just got spoken talk out of the

645
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Speaker 3: last minute. But some people get a bit of a

646
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 3: brush of blood when they see the gear and the

647
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 3: incredible motor homes and four wheel drives, don't they.

648
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Speaker 8: Oh mate, It's just this industry is just growing faster

649
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Speaker 8: than I can keep up with it. I remember starting

650
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Speaker 8: sixteen years ago in this you know, with my first

651
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Speaker 8: bit of content that I put out on a DVD,

652
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 8: and it's just the amount of people that's getting out

653
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 8: there and enjoying this country now is just phenomenal. Like

654
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Speaker 8: I mean, I'm going to grow exponentially. COVID was the

655
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Speaker 8: help of that.

656
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 6: COVID really helped that. Yeah true.

657
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it was the West Ausies that were heading

658
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 3: up north that was supporting the tourism in Wa right

659
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Speaker 3: through COVID.

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Speaker 8: Yeahred percent. And you guys had had the most lockdown

661
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Speaker 8: state in Australia yea or is that victorious?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, we had the protected state.

663
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we had you couldn't come here state, you.

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Speaker 8: Couldn't come in. Yeah, that's the one I I and

665
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 8: plated sitting on the border thinking if I go in.

666
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: Do I get out.

667
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 6: I don't want to be in there.

668
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 8: It wouldn't be if I was.

669
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 4: No, it could it could be worse, that's for sure.

670
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 2: Well, Jays, it'll be lovely to have you here for

671
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 2: the weekend and enjoy that big rig with the step ladder.

672
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 8: I only generally just take that one out on the road.

673
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 4: Thank goodness for that.

674
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Speaker 8: Yes, thanks guys, thanks for having me. I'll be on

675
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 8: the weekend.

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Speaker 1: Clezy and Lisa