1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Already and this is the daily This is the Daily OS. 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: Oh now it makes sense. Good morning and welcome to 3 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: the Daily OS. It is Monday, the twenty sixth of February. 4 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: I'm Billy, I'm Zara, Question time in Australia, mister Potato 5 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: Australian because I want. 6 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: You take you. 7 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 3: Was drunk? 8 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: I'm representative going this is what it looks like to 9 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: hold the government to account. Well, at least that's what 10 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 1: its aim is. According to the Parliamentary Education Office, there's 11 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: huge interest in this hour of debate that happens every 12 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: day at two pm during parliamentary sitting weeks, and it's 13 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: where some of the biggest moments in Australia's political history 14 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: have happened. So does it achieve what its aim is? Well, 15 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: some in dependent MPs are questioning whether or not this 16 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: is actually an effective use of time. We'll look away 17 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: in today's deep dive, But first, Sarah, what's making headlines. 18 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 4: Police are continuing their search for the bodies of a 19 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 4: Sydney couple, Jesse Baird and Luke Davies, after a New 20 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 4: South Wales police officer handed himself into police on Friday. 21 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 4: Police have charged the twenty eight year old officer with 22 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 4: two counts of murder. 23 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: Several fertility clinics in the US state of Alabama have 24 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: paused IVF treatments after the state's Supreme Court ruled that 25 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: frozen embryos have the same rights as children. The ruling 26 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 1: to recognize embryos as human lives puts IVF providers at 27 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: legal risk if frozen embryos are destroyed. Some clinics will 28 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: stay open but pause treatments, while others say that they've 29 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: been left with no choice but to pause IVF treatments 30 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: for patients. 31 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 4: Donald Trump has won the Republican South Carolina primary, beating 32 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 4: Nicki Haley in the state that she once served in 33 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 4: as governor. Speaking shortly after Paul's closed, Trump said, I've 34 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 4: never seen the Republican Party so unified as it is 35 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 4: right now. Hailey has confirmed that she will not drop 36 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 4: out of the race to become the Republican nominee, despite 37 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 4: the defeat in her home state. 38 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 1: And today's good news. Kutopia Sydney, the world's biggest queer 39 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: center of history and culture, has opened to the public 40 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: in the lead up to Mardi Gras. Keutopia said it 41 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 1: aims to empower the community through its exhibitions and community storytelling. 42 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: The Darlinghurst Museum opened on Saturday and entry will be 43 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: free on Sundays for the next year. 44 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 4: Billy Sam comes back from leave tomorrow, and just before 45 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 4: he came back, you just really wanted to sneak one 46 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 4: episode about question Time in why. 47 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: Okay, I've been at the Daily Ods for two and 48 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: a half years and the whole time I've wanted to 49 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 1: do an explainer into question Time in Australia. 50 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 3: But why That's my only question? 51 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: So for anyone who doesn't know, this is the hour 52 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: during every sitting week where politicians get to ask government 53 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: ministers about issues of the day. Sounds reasonable and also 54 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: probably sounds a bit boring, and for the most part, 55 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: I think for the general public it probably is. But 56 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: I have always been fascinated by two things. So firstly, 57 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: the behavior of politicians. They shout at each other, they 58 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 1: call each other names, they are so rude to each other, 59 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: and if anyone acted how these politicians act in a 60 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: normal office, you would get fired. It is not acceptable 61 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: to behave this way. And the second thing that interests 62 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: me is the questions that get asked half the time 63 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: the government is just really just patting themselves on the back, 64 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: and the other half of the time they're not really 65 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: answering the questions that they've been asked. And that is 66 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: absolutely not unique to the government of today. That is 67 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: over many governments changed. And so I've always wanted to 68 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: look into this because I can't be the only one 69 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: who watches it and thinks this just seems like a 70 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: weird way of doing things. 71 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 3: And so you've had this, we'll call it an obsession. 72 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 4: I had an obsession with Question Time, as you said, 73 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 4: for over two years. But then earlier this month you 74 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 4: sent me a frantic Instagram message because you had seen 75 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 4: a video that finally gave you your news hook to talk 76 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 4: about this on the podcast it did. 77 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 3: Here is a little bit of that video. Question Time 78 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 3: is still a complete waste of time. 79 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 4: Half the questions the government just seems to be going 80 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 4: on about how great it is. 81 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 3: The other half of the questions seem to be complete 82 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 3: point scoring. Nobody is really answering the issues that are 83 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 3: most important to the Australian people. 84 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 4: And frankly, half the time just seems like they're not 85 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 4: even answering the question at all. 86 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 1: So that's a legris Bender and she is a federal 87 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: independent MP, and she's part of a group of independent 88 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: MPs who are now leading a push to change Question Time. 89 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: And like you said, Zarah, I thought that was the 90 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: perfect in for Teas to go deeper on what is 91 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: Question time, why does it exist? And what is the 92 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: appetite to change it? And I'm not saying I think 93 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: it should be changed, but I'm just saying, what's the appetite? 94 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 4: Okay, So before we get into appetites and all that jazz, 95 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 4: can we just begin with what is question time supposed 96 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 4: to be? 97 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 3: What is the actual aim of it? 98 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 1: So it's seen as a time for there to be 99 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 1: a debate about what the government's agenda is and the 100 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: political issues of the day, and it's seen as a 101 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: way for the opposition and the crossbench to hold the 102 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: government of the day to account. My favorite line I 103 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: found when I was doing research for this was from 104 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: the Parliament House website and it says, quote, question time 105 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: is a sign of a healthy democracy where disagreements are 106 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: vented in debate rather than through more physical confrontations. 107 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 4: When you told me this, I thought that you were 108 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 4: reading a satirical website and you legitimately got your computer 109 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 4: out and showed me that it was a parliament House website. 110 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 3: It actually says that. 111 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: It literally says that this is a way for people 112 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: to talk out their differences rather than physically fighting. And 113 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: I think that we can all agree that it is 114 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: better than that it is. 115 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 4: But we're also talking about politicians, those who are on 116 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 4: you know, publicly funded salaries, and our adults at the 117 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 4: very least, and they're being encouraged to have this out 118 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 4: with their words and not physically. 119 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: Yes, so I think the question is that, yes, it 120 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: is more effective than them physically fighting, but is it 121 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: the most effective? 122 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 4: A good question, and I presume that's the basis on 123 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 4: which people like a Legraspender are asking whether things can 124 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 4: be done differently. 125 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 5: Yeah. 126 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: So I think that the independent MPs are questioning whether 127 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: in practice is the government actually being held to account. 128 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 2: Now. 129 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: I worked with TDA journalist Chloe Christi on this, and 130 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: she spoke to independent MP Zali Stegel, who is a 131 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: part of the group of independent MPs working to possibly 132 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 1: change this, and here's a little bit of what she said. 133 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 5: At the moment, it's kind of a political sort of 134 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 5: grand standing fast between the major parties and fairly frustrating 135 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 5: to be part of. And look at Dorothy Dixes, I 136 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 5: think at the end of the day are a waste 137 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 5: of time. 138 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: Okay, so Zali Segel mentioned Dorothy dix is there and 139 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: this is a crucial part of question time. So half 140 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: the time the Opposition or Independence or the cross Bench 141 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: are asking questions. But the other half, and this is 142 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: what we're focusing on now, is when the government is 143 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: just asking themselves questions and that's what Dorothy Dixes are. 144 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: So to give you an example, it's basically like if 145 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: I say to you, Zara, can you please tell me 146 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: why is TDA so good at podcasts? 147 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 4: And well, honorable member, we're so good at podcasts because 148 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 4: we are the superior media outlet in Australia and we 149 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 4: just know how to talk to young people. 150 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 3: Thank you for your great question. We will continue to 151 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 3: do great work. 152 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: Is that that is exactly what it's like, and that 153 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: is half the questions that are asked in question time. 154 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: Does that all make sense? 155 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 4: It does make sense. And I remember learning about Dorothy 156 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 4: Dix's when I first begun to understand how a political 157 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 4: system worked, and most things I think in our parliamentary 158 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 4: system have a reason behind them. This feels like a 159 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 4: feature that doesn't. It's merely a way for the government 160 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 4: to congratulate themselves. And so it's clear that those independent 161 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 4: andps have identified that as an issue. What are some 162 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 4: of the other issues that they've spoken about. 163 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: So another one is how they all speak to each other. 164 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: They really all, just like I said before, shouted at 165 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,719 Speaker 1: each other. They call each other names. Anthony Albanesi famously 166 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: called Peter Duttan a buffhead. I believe he said, sit down, buffhead, 167 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: and the speaker is meant to keep them in line, 168 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: but in practice it can just get pretty messy and 169 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: that doesn't really happen. Here's what Zali Stegle told Chloe. 170 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: It's like being in there. 171 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 5: This is pretty umasant like. It's very noisy and very 172 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 5: rowdy when you're on the floor. So I think once 173 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 5: you're there, you're a lot more aware of particular members 174 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 5: of Parliament who heckle and call out quite a lot. 175 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 5: And to be fair on the speaker, he can't always 176 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 5: see from where he's sitting exactly who's doing the heckli. 177 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 5: For the austrain public, it's a lot of people being 178 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 5: paid a lot of money to sit there to do 179 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 5: nothing of much use, and so I tend to answer 180 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 5: all my emails. I do a lot of admin work. 181 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 4: We've spent a good portion talking through what the issues are, 182 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 4: which are Dorothy Dixon's the idea of asking yourself questions 183 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 4: and then answering those questions yourself, and also the conduct 184 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 4: of politicians during question time. There must be another side 185 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 4: to this though. Are there any politicians who think that 186 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 4: question time is a good use of their time? 187 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 188 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: When Chloe and I were working on this, we thought 189 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 1: if anyone was going to speak favorably about it, it 190 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: would probably be a government MP who is asking the 191 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: questions to make their party look good. And Chloe spoke 192 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: to doctor Andrew Charlton, who is a government MP, and 193 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: he said that he does believe it's part of how 194 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: the government is held to account. 195 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 2: Question Time is one of the features of that democracy 196 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 2: where the government is held to account. But it's an 197 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 2: important part of the system that we have in Australia, 198 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 2: which ultimately has delivered relatively corruption free and good government 199 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 2: for most of our history. 200 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: But he also did agree with Zally's point that the 201 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: actual behavior can sometimes be very messy. 202 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 2: It's the hour that everybody focuses on, but it's probably 203 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 2: not the hour where the most productive work happens. To 204 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: most people, question time probably looks a bit like a 205 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 2: schoolyard fight, with lots of shouting and not a lot 206 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 2: of productive activity. The reason we have that system is 207 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 2: because we believe in holding power to account. And holding 208 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 2: power to account creates a lot of friction. Sometimes it 209 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 2: wastes a lot of time. But you know, as Churchill said, 210 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 2: democracy is a terrible system, but it's better than every 211 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 2: other system that we've invented. 212 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 4: So what is the appetite for anything to change? I 213 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 4: feel like this isn't the first time that an MP 214 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 4: has raised concerns but nothing has changed. 215 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 3: What's the chance of anything actually changing? 216 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: Well, there are lots of ideas for how this could 217 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: possibly change. Both Stegel and Charlton told us some of 218 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: their own suggestions. Stegel's focus was saying that the government 219 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: should be required to actually answer the questions more clearly 220 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: and not be able to just give these pr answers 221 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: where there are no follow ups allowed and they just 222 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: have to deal with the answer that they're given. 223 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 5: With as a crossbench. We've written to the Leader of 224 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 5: the House Tiny Burke and Speaker asking for that for 225 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 5: title relevance, interpretation and follow up questions, the government has 226 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 5: declined to accept out invitation so far. For example, if 227 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 5: five asked a question and I do a point of 228 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 5: order to the speaker to say on relevance, and I 229 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 5: point out that the person's still not answering the question, 230 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 5: the ability to maybe ask a follow up question, a 231 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 5: tighter question, and really pin them to an answer, I 232 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 5: think would be. 233 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: Helpful, and Charlton focus more on how the behavior could change. 234 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 2: I think the most basic thing would be to lift 235 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 2: standards in question time. There is too much shouting, too 236 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 2: much interjecting, and one of the reasons for that is 237 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 2: the penalties for shouting or being wowed or being disruptive 238 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 2: in question time are too low. I think we need 239 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 2: harsher penalties for people who aren't behaving well in question time, 240 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 2: and that would help to lift standards and probably make 241 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 2: the session more productive. 242 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens. But all in all, Zara, 243 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: thank you so much for letting me do this topic 244 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: after two and a half years of me pitching it. 245 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 4: I always think about what people who are perhaps visiting 246 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 4: the country and going to visit Parliament House would think 247 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 4: when they sit in the chamber and watch this happen. 248 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 4: I always try to see it through their eyes, and 249 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 4: it is really just grown adults yelling at one another. 250 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 4: So definitely room for improvement, i'd say, so we're biased. 251 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 4: We're not biased, but I think that there have been 252 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 4: a couple of issues highlighted here and it'll be really 253 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 4: interesting to see whether anything does change or whether this 254 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 4: is just a fixture of our parliament. 255 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening to today's podcast. If 256 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: you have one minute spare, we would absolutely love if 257 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: you could fill out our podcast, so the link is 258 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 1: in the show notes. It really helps us understand what 259 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: it is you like about The Daily Oz's podcast and 260 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: what it is you possibly don't like. Maybe you don't 261 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: like question time, you can let us know. 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