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Speaker 1: And joining us in the studio for the week that

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Speaker 1: was on this fine Friday morning. Well, we've got the

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Speaker 1: opposition leader, Leo Fanocchiaro, Good morning.

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Speaker 2: Morning, it's great to be back. Thank you for keeping

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Speaker 2: my chair for me.

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Speaker 3: Well it's been the Tory.

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Speaker 1: Corner free you got my name on it, Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Feel good. We've got Kathleen Gazola from nine News Darwin.

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Speaker 4: Good morning to you, and would you call this the

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Speaker 4: naughty corner over here with my comrade easy if good

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Speaker 4: morning and of course Paul Kirby who is the Member

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Speaker 4: for Port Darwin and the Minister for Small Business and

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Speaker 4: Major Events and various other portfolios.

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Speaker 5: And between the thorns this morning.

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Speaker 4: Lucky bastard, lucky, good luck mate.

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Speaker 1: Ahead, all right, let's get into it, because there has

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Speaker 1: been so much happened. I feel like I say that

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Speaker 1: every single week, and every single week there is a

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Speaker 1: lot to talk about, and unfortunately, the ongoing issues with crime,

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Speaker 1: it is something that we continue to have to speak

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Speaker 1: about because those concerns continued to be raised right across

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Speaker 1: the Northern territory. I know that even overnight there was

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Speaker 1: an incident where a vehicle was stolen. As I understand

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Speaker 1: it and then crashed. We will get that further detail

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Speaker 1: when we get the latest in local news with our

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Speaker 1: very own Crystal Gordon a little bit later this morning.

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Speaker 1: But we also know well yesterday, I believe Kathleen on

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Speaker 1: nine News, Darwen police had released that body cam footage

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Speaker 1: of a terrible incident that had occurred earlier in the

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right, So there had been vision that emerged

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Speaker 6: with him lighting the counter on firestron at a service

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Speaker 7: So a good response from the cop sea when he

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Speaker 1: Him to the Northern Territory Police on that very hard

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Speaker 1: work and as you said, the dog scored and everybody deployed.

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Speaker 1: We also know then yesterday we'd heard from John Koenig,

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Speaker 1: They're closing for a few days. He wanted to give

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Speaker 1: the concerns that they have got, those ongoing concerns that

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Speaker 1: even last night we were in the city for dinner,

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Speaker 1: And I think everybody's I've said it, you know, for

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Speaker 7: Definitely, I mean at John John's, I mean he has

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Speaker 6: Definitely can forgive any parent for not wanting their children

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Speaker 3: Which is I you shouldn't have to worry about it.

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Speaker 2: And this is the point that things have gotten to.

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Speaker 2: It's impacting on everybody's well being and everyone's state of

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Speaker 1: I've been the Chief Minister obade these comments during the

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Speaker 8: If you look around the world post COVID, people's behaviors

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Speaker 1: We see so what we're seeing in the Northern Territory

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Speaker 3: That is what evidence is showing us.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be honest, I think that that's a

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Speaker 3: So what are you doing to fix it?

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Speaker 8: So we're working incredibly hard, giving police resources, also making

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Speaker 3: So, as I said, people were pretty fired up.

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Speaker 1: I mean I was pretty disappointed, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 5: Look, I'm happy to put a bit of context. I

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Speaker 5: didn't hear what the Chief Minister said. I do understand,

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Speaker 5: and I think people would understand that the types of

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Speaker 1: I guess if we're hearing something new, then people might

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Speaker 1: Now I did I heard it in a replay.

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Speaker 9: What the chieftains have said about COVID is to blame

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Speaker 9: completely illogical, Okay that aside, I do agree with you,

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Speaker 9: Paul the and I've said this before on this show.

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Speaker 9: The level and the type of violence is escalating. It's

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Speaker 9: just this wanton and good children's violence, and it's coming

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Speaker 9: There's lots of other people around town that engage in

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Speaker 1: Home, so it's not okay, no matter, and sometimes they

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Speaker 9: Of their communities because they're violence. So the problem just

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've got a situation from overnight, so yes,

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Speaker 1: two youths have been arrested following a break in at

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Speaker 1: the Palmerston Council. It's alleged that the pairs stole a

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Speaker 1: From the information that I've got there, I don't know

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Speaker 6: Be two different types going on, like the really violent

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Speaker 7: Know what I mean.

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Speaker 6: But I mean it is incumbent on government to find

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Speaker 7: You know, we saw those.

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Speaker 6: Kids in Catherine, I believe that went in faces covered

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Speaker 7: And they're carrying the edge.

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Speaker 6: Weapons that I think are covered under those recent bail changes, right,

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Speaker 6: which clearly doesn't matter to.

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Speaker 2: Them because they're lawless because our laws are two weak.

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Speaker 2: Our laws don't provide the support that police need to

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Speaker 2: seven years after labor have come in and disempowered police

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Speaker 10: They know what they're allowed to do and not allowed

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Speaker 2: It shows that the Boo reform government did after Declan

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Speaker 2: Lavity's death was nothing more than window dressing. It hasn't

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Speaker 2: been a deter and it hasn't had that impact on

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Speaker 2: downward pressure on crime, and it's destroying people's lives.

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Speaker 10: Katie.

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Speaker 2: I've been outdoor knocking for the last week or so

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Speaker 2: in my electorate. The number of people I've spoken to

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Speaker 2: who've had cars stolen, how that's impacting their life, not

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Speaker 2: only their ability to go to work and function as

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Speaker 2: normal human beings, but the cost, the anguish, the violation

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Speaker 2: they feel about having people in their homes.

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Speaker 10: It's not okay.

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Speaker 2: And people want action, they want the government to lead them,

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Speaker 2: and they've just completely given up. The feeling of hopelessness

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Speaker 2: is so profound at the moment, no matter where you

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Speaker 2: are in the territory, they're fighting over the market those

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Speaker 2: If you're listening.

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Speaker 9: Lee, I agree with you, and I didn't agree with

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Speaker 9: the Boiol laws of the government board in because I

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Speaker 9: don't think they went far enough, and like you said,

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Speaker 9: they did interesting. But the other thing too, is this

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Speaker 9: whole group of people, this whole cold cohort in the

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Speaker 2: And you know, you can say it's complex, and a

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Speaker 2: It just needs to be the number one focus of

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Speaker 5: Absolutely is the number one priority of our government. And

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Speaker 3: Can't continue on in the way that we're going.

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Speaker 1: We can't have a situation where a gelado shop is

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Speaker 2: As we come into our peak season as well, and

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Speaker 2: not to do this. It's impacting everyone's daily lives. But

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Speaker 2: you know, there are solutions, Katie. We can stop the

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Speaker 2: revolving door of bail by dealing with repeat and violent offenders.

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Speaker 2: We can make breach of our condition and offense. You

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Speaker 1: How do we deal with though, you know the point

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Speaker 9: With people have committed crimes, that's why they're full. Let's

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Speaker 3: What do you do? Do you build another one?

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Speaker 9: Well, yeah, build another jail if you've got if your

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Speaker 7: A few billion dollars just in the side pocket, keys.

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Speaker 10: Build shade structures and you might have more money.

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Speaker 5: Be really the types of money that we're talking about.

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Speaker 5: but certainly they need to speak.

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Speaker 3: You can't leave people on the street, can you're doing

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Speaker 10: Just what's happening.

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Speaker 5: we do need different places, more places, reinvest in Larichie patrols,

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Speaker 10: That is what is happening.

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Speaker 2: People are doing knife crime, edge weapon crime, violent assaults,

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Speaker 10: You know, I just literally had and you've.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, look it's broken. Yeah, we are going to

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Speaker 1: The Alice Springs Mayor Matt Patterson had told us on

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Speaker 9: that or said that to the Alice Been counsel, that's disgraceful.

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Speaker 9: How do we friends and influence people, not you know,

443
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Speaker 9: like the as best I understand it, the Country League

444
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Speaker 9: Football Carnival that's held in Ollie springs that has been

445
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Speaker 9: Council says, no, you can't use our grounds. We need

446
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Speaker 9: a break from all the people coming into town and

447
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Speaker 9: staying into town and some of them creating the problems

448
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Speaker 9: we've got. That's one issue. Having the AFL match between

449
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Speaker 9: the Demons and the Suns is a completely different matter,

450
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Speaker 9: and that's between the Anti Government AFL. So exactly, I'm

451
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Speaker 9: buggered why they think they can use that as a

452
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Speaker 9: bargaining tool to force the Council to do something.

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Speaker 10: Actually, Paul, I see them.

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Speaker 2: You're the Minister for Major Events, so really this is

455
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Speaker 2: your call. You could say to AFL you have to

456
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Speaker 2: play this game.

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Speaker 5: Look, we're in negotiations. I spoke with Matt yesterday and

458
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Speaker 5: Sean Bowden and not dropping down into distinct and prescriptive detail,

459
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Speaker 5: but I did say to them, have a think over

460
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Speaker 5: the weekend. It's a long weekend obviously on Tuesday, or

461
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Speaker 5: get in touch with them and try and see if

462
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Speaker 5: we can find some common ground that we can all

463
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Speaker 5: move forward from. I think everybody acknowledges that they they

464
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Speaker 5: really want that Demon's game to go ahead. Talking to

465
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Speaker 5: the Demon's hierarchy, the Melbourn Footy Club hierarchy. They love

466
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Speaker 5: going to Alice Springs. It's so important for the town.

467
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Speaker 5: So we absolutely want that to happen. So without getting

468
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Speaker 5: too positional about it, I know that Susanna from major

469
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Speaker 5: events and you see of the major events, Court was

470
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Speaker 5: down in Melbourne today talking with people down there. She's

471
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Speaker 5: doing a great job and she's very very keen to

472
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Speaker 5: make sure that still goes ahead. So we'll work with

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Speaker 5: everyone and try and make sure.

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Speaker 3: We can work out.

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Speaker 10: It's taxpayer.

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Speaker 2: They're like, it's contracted, the taxpayer pays for it. This

477
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Speaker 2: is not a gift from territory labor. This is a

478
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Speaker 2: territory funded, taxpayer funded football match that happens in Alice

479
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Speaker 2: Springs and those people in that community deserve the economic

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Speaker 2: driver that it is. They deserve the lifestyle opportunity it presents.

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Speaker 9: And also don't forget lea, it's good for the football

482
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Speaker 9: clubs because they do recruitment. Yes, the people are there's

483
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Speaker 9: a young fellow out youth activities.

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Speaker 10: We need to keep an eye on him for future

485
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Speaker 10: absolute scout.

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Speaker 5: You know, the Sons have got a young lad that

487
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Speaker 5: they identified last year that's still in their training programs.

488
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Speaker 5: To have Maddie Wheel and leem Jarra and people like

489
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Speaker 5: that from Central Australia come back to Central Australia and

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Speaker 5: get out and do some of those programs and events

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Speaker 5: with kids. Nobody's denying it's a special event. We had

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Speaker 5: Parchment just last week that there was almost record numbers

493
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Speaker 5: there apart from a couple of nights at cops and rain.

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Speaker 5: So people will still turn out for those big events.

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Speaker 5: It's a massive part.

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Speaker 10: If we don't exist, it's a massive.

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Speaker 5: Part of what we need to continue to do and

498
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Speaker 5: we'll continue to do that. We'll try and keep people

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Speaker 5: together and find some common ground next week and work

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Speaker 5: away through it.

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Speaker 6: I think it's more reflective of the AFL threatening to

502
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Speaker 6: take this away from that with over a Stawstrever community

503
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Speaker 6: football with the counts, I mean, but on the council

504
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Speaker 6: for sticking to their guns if they believe that it's

505
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Speaker 6: going to improve their town, not encourage extra anti social

506
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Speaker 6: behavior given the issues that we're seeing. They're good on them,

507
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Speaker 6: and I mean I can't see there being anything wrong

508
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Speaker 6: with the rest of the community football traveling around different

509
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Speaker 6: communities might even lead to some upgrades of those ovals

510
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Speaker 6: in those areas and the amenity in the community. Maybe

511
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Speaker 6: the AFL should be investing that well.

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Speaker 1: And that's I guess the other side of the argument.

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Speaker 1: And then there is the argument that you know that

514
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Speaker 1: it is to the detriment of the wider football and community,

515
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Speaker 1: and that football does obviously do a lot in terms

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Speaker 1: of promoting that healthy lifestyle, and you know, and what

517
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Speaker 1: do they say, get the kids in sport and out

518
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Speaker 1: of court, which.

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Speaker 6: I obviously thoroughly agree with the responsibility the L has

520
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Speaker 6: a responsibility to encourage that lifestyle and.

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Speaker 7: To get some of those kids who are causing issue.

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Speaker 5: You look at quantaft programs and all the wonderful things

523
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Speaker 5: the Stars programs. I don't think there's any denying that

524
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Speaker 5: that AFL can be a big part of how we

525
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Speaker 5: move forward in Central Australia. And we just need to

526
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Speaker 5: continue to work, make sure that game does go ahead

527
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Speaker 5: and make sure that we put all the support.

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Speaker 2: Can't make that call, it's government, So ultimately the leadership

529
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Speaker 2: needs to be coming from you, Paul as a minister

530
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Speaker 2: and Attah of Bars as a chief minister to say hey, sorry, SOFL,

531
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Speaker 2: this is out of your control. You're doing it. But

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Speaker 2: it speaks to a bigger, broader problem for towns like

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Speaker 2: Alice Springs where major events are under threat because of crime.

534
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Speaker 2: We saw Parcherma move out of the mall and now out.

535
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Speaker 10: Into the desert Park.

536
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Speaker 2: There used to be activities for Parchmer in the CBD

537
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Speaker 2: that had to get moved a couple of years ago

538
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Speaker 2: due to crime. This whole discussion around the AFL game

539
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Speaker 2: is because of the fact that of crime.

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Speaker 10: So it's a bigger problem.

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Speaker 2: Crime is literally impacting every facet of our lives and

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Speaker 2: the big decisions like this.

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Speaker 9: That's quite creck kate because poor Alic Springs they lost

544
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Speaker 9: about four or five major conferences for this year and

545
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Speaker 9: next year because of the perception that it is unsafe

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Speaker 9: motorbike events for their visitors. So you know this, I

547
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Speaker 9: agree with Li. This is an empty government matter. They

548
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Speaker 9: are funding it, They are underfunded. They are the ones

549
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Speaker 9: who have contracts with clubs, and it's just a bit

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Speaker 9: of leadership.

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Speaker 3: Just commit.

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Speaker 9: It's a bit like sometimes I get the distinct impression

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Speaker 9: this ENTI goverment just can't call a spade a big

554
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Speaker 9: bloody shovel, you know, just tell them.

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Speaker 3: Well, we'll get to one of those in a moment.

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Speaker 9: Tell them the match is going ahead.

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Speaker 1: How it springs bull days. I mean, look, I totally agree,

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Speaker 1: and I do think that you know that I agree.

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Speaker 1: I think the government needs to stand up and goes

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Speaker 1: do you know what, this match is going ahead. We've

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Speaker 1: paid good money to make sure that this partnership goes ahead,

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Speaker 1: and there are other benefits to this partnership.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we saw it with the NRL just.

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Speaker 1: A week or so ago and Alice Springs, you know,

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Speaker 1: they deserve that. The people of Alice Springs, the people

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Speaker 1: you know, the surrounding areas deserve that.

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Speaker 3: They deserve to be able to have that footy match

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Speaker 3: go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Kirby, and I'm hoping that we're.

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Speaker 3: Going to make it happen.

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Speaker 5: Look, it's it's a lovely spot to be in in

572
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Speaker 5: opposition and as an independent to say this is absolutely

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Speaker 5: the hard line that you need to take. The truth

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Speaker 5: of governing is that you always have to find some

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Speaker 5: common ground in the middle. These two bodies have got

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Speaker 5: opposing positions about a particular thing, and I've hadsolutely guaranteed

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Speaker 5: that I will assist them to mediate through it next week.

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Speaker 3: Essentially used as a.

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Speaker 1: Pawn in the in the discussions about the Central Australian

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Speaker 1: Football League and other games.

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Speaker 9: If I was a fedting terroristle, which I'm not not

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Speaker 9: by the way, I did win on the Collingwood win

583
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Speaker 9: it up, but I did win money on that match

584
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Speaker 9: for Collingwood to win, even though I don't support them.

585
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Speaker 9: I would say IFL say let's take the game to Darwin.

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Speaker 10: But the counsel have made a decision.

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Speaker 2: About community football is distinct from the fact that the

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Speaker 2: Northern Territory Government has a contract for AFL games to

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Speaker 2: be played in Alice Springs. They are totally fundamentally different things,

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Speaker 2: and for your government to then be conflating the two

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Speaker 2: and trying to be some sort of peacemaker is ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: You have a contract, territories are paying for it. The

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Speaker 2: community in Alice Springs deserve to have that game, need

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Speaker 2: to have that game when you are equally seems like

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Speaker 2: the Northern Territory government wants this to be a leverage

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Speaker 2: point to push counsel around.

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Speaker 10: I mean there really is. They're completely separate issues.

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Speaker 2: So you're either not willing to back in the game

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Speaker 2: and tell AFL what their contractual responsibility is, or you

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Speaker 2: like the fact that you can use this to push

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Speaker 2: the Alice Springs Council to make a different decision on

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Speaker 2: community games.

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Speaker 5: It's not about pushing anybody if you step into the

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Speaker 5: debate properly, and I won't drop down here in the

605
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Speaker 5: absolute specifics, but we know that facilities and communities for

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Speaker 5: community based football to go ahead to the level that

607
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Speaker 5: a lot of people would like. That debate's been going

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Speaker 5: on for a long time. They're really expensive facilities to upgrade.

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Speaker 5: So we're happy to have that debate, but that's not

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Speaker 5: something that we're going to fix overnight. What I'm saying

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Speaker 5: is that we will absolutely step into the space. We

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Speaker 5: will try and mediate between these two different organizations that

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Speaker 5: have taken pole or opposite positions at the moment.

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Speaker 10: And work away through it.

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Speaker 5: If there needs to be variations work three, absolutely do that,

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Speaker 5: but our prime focus is to find some common ground.

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Speaker 5: Everybody knows that that game is really important to Central

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Speaker 5: Australia and will continue to try and work through to that.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, we are going to have to take a

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Speaker 1: bit of a break. You are listening to Mix one

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Speaker 1: oh four nine's three six stick now one of the

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Speaker 1: other big announcements throughout this week.

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Speaker 3: But well, if you've just joined us.

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Speaker 1: Let me just remind you who's in the studio with us,

625
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Speaker 1: versely Paul Kirby, Geezier Puric, Kathleen Gazola and Leofanocchiaro. Now

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Speaker 1: I do want to just talk about the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: and the impact of the Defense Strategic Review. Now, this

628
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Speaker 1: is obviously a huge announcement that was made earlier in

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Speaker 1: the week by the federal government and the territory's defense

630
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Speaker 1: capabilities and well it's looking as though they're going to

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Speaker 1: be bolstered well more than three point eight billion dollars

632
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Speaker 1: in federal funding to harden Australian bases. So Robertson Barracks

633
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Speaker 1: is going to share one billion dollars with Townsville's Laverick

634
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Speaker 1: Barracks as well as THEBAF Tindall has also been identified

635
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Speaker 1: as a critical base in the Defense Strategic Review. There

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Speaker 1: is no doubt that this was really interesting, really interesting situation.

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Speaker 1: I think that a lot of people were sort of

638
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Speaker 1: reading through and starting to learn more about on Anzac

639
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Speaker 1: Eve when the Prime Minister came out with this announcement,

640
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Speaker 1: and the big question from territorians is what does it

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Speaker 1: mean for the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 3: Richard Miles obviously.

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Speaker 1: Here yesterday and I'm sure meeting with the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: government it seems as though there is going to be

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Speaker 1: quite a large defense spent well in the territory.

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Speaker 10: I'm not so sure, Katie.

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Speaker 2: So I think what's important to know is there was

648
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Speaker 2: eight billion dollars put aside for the territory, eight billion

649
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Speaker 2: just for us, not shared with anyone. You've got the

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Speaker 2: Labor government coming to town yesterday saying that there's three

651
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Speaker 2: point eight shared across Queensland, Northern Territory and Western Australia.

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Speaker 2: There was no breakdown given of how much of the

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Speaker 2: three point eight the territory was going to get, and

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Speaker 2: it was also not made clear whether that three point

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Speaker 2: eight is actually being taken from our eight billion, which

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Speaker 2: in our it.

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Speaker 10: Should be entirely just for us.

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Speaker 2: So I'm very concerned about the level of commitment and

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Speaker 2: whether there is a shift to Queensland and Western Australia

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Speaker 2: for this.

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Speaker 1: He can be I think, honestly, when you look at

662
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Speaker 1: at the Northern Territory strategic importance, I don't think they

663
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Speaker 1: can be.

664
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Speaker 3: We are the only it's been bombed.

665
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Speaker 1: We are the only we're the only location you realistically

666
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Speaker 1: to the north.

667
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the review raised some serious challenges with the territory,

668
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Speaker 2: which is why I questioned the commitment. So it raised

669
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Speaker 2: logistical challenges around the Stuart Highway. It's said that there

670
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Speaker 2: was not security of supply, and it also said that

671
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Speaker 2: our aviation regiment would be moved to Townsville. So we're

672
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Speaker 2: going to lose up to another three hundred people out

673
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Speaker 2: of Darwin, so there's a definite shift. We're also losing

674
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Speaker 2: manufacturing to Adelaide.

675
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Speaker 3: But then mass was.

676
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Speaker 1: Saying yesterday that we'll go out that the defense force

677
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Speaker 1: was going to grow, but I can't remember the exact number.

678
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Speaker 6: Do you significant He didn't have a specific number as

679
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Speaker 6: to how much, but he said that there would be

680
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Speaker 6: growth over the ten years, and he acknowledged that there

681
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Speaker 6: would be movement, yes, depending on what units and the

682
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Speaker 6: like are based here.

683
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Speaker 7: And I mean that the topic around supply chains.

684
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 6: Just shows that years of failure from federal governments of

685
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 6: both strives, failing to actually deliver on their promises to

686
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 6: upgrade roads and rail and all the rest of that.

687
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Speaker 6: You know, that's that's both sides from federal government.

688
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Speaker 9: That's over decades. I mean we've I can recall a

689
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Speaker 9: year where all three highways were out because of flooding.

690
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Speaker 9: No I know, the bridge on the Western Australian side

691
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 9: was meant to be built to sustain one hundred year

692
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Speaker 9: kind of flood and it hasn't.

693
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Speaker 6: And every time there's a promise, it's always passed forward estimates.

694
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Speaker 9: And yeah, that's one of our most vulnerable points for

695
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 9: the well for the topics the Stuart Highway is the

696
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 9: fact that water will take out our roads and our railway.

697
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Speaker 9: So somehow, if we're going to be such a major

698
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Speaker 9: hub and military destination, then somehow those weaknesses have to

699
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Speaker 9: be addit.

700
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Speaker 2: But that's why I'm really worried about this because we've

701
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: seen words sort of talking around the commitment to the territory,

702
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 2: nothing solid. And if we we have infrastructure deficits that

703
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,959
Speaker 2: Western Australia and Queensland don't have, we will see an

704
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 2: increasing capability in places like Townsville because they don't have

705
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Speaker 2: to put the investment in to secure those supply roots.

706
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Speaker 10: They already exist.

707
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Speaker 2: And so I think there's some serious explaining to do

708
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 2: around is our eight billion still on the table, Is

709
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 2: there going to be the federal money to upgrade the

710
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: Stuart Highway and sure up those routes, or are we

711
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 2: just going to continue to see troops moved out of

712
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: Darwin and of course that money moved elsewhere.

713
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Speaker 5: Absolutely spoke with Richard Mirles yesterday a commitment from him

714
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 5: that this is just the tip of the iceberg, not

715
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Speaker 5: the end of the endgame. I think only the corp

716
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 5: could look at three point eight million dollars at billion

717
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 5: dollars and call that bad news.

718
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Speaker 10: Is our eight still there? Because that's three point eight is.

719
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Speaker 5: Not for us. The Fedroom Minister absolutely committed yesterday that

720
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 5: this is the start of some very very long relationships.

721
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 5: We have seen the north of Australia be really found

722
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 5: out with those flood events over recent months, so absolutely

723
00:32:58,360 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 5: needs to be something that will keep an eye on,

724
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 5: will continue to work on. We absolutely know that not

725
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,479
Speaker 5: everything can be based in Townsville because there's a lot

726
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 5: of space to the north here in Darwin and across

727
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 5: of northwestern Australia and there's some big expanses of land

728
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 5: to cover and will certainly be hand in hand with

729
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 5: the federal government doing all that.

730
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: The other thing that obviously we spoke about with Richard

731
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: Miles yesterday as well on the show. I know that

732
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Speaker 1: it was also raised throughout the press conference. Is the

733
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: port and that review that's underway into the port at

734
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Speaker 1: this point in time, because when you talk about you know,

735
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: our logistics, and certainly when you talk about infrastructure, which

736
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Speaker 1: is important, the port is a piece of that infrastructure.

737
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, and there's a separate review around that, which is

738
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 6: what Richard Mass said will be coming out. He basically

739
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 6: alluded to it being imminent really, so you'd imagine you'd

740
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Speaker 6: expect over the next couple of weeks or.

741
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Speaker 3: So that he said he couldn't tell me how many weeks,

742
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 3: but he.

743
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 7: Said very soon.

744
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, So he did acknowledge just how strategically valuable that

745
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 6: asset will be, obviously in relation to the defense review.

746
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 6: And it goes to the question of well, how do

747
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 6: you take it back? And the money I mean that

748
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 6: money that have to be compensated to Landbridge to get

749
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 6: it back, like money it could be better spent elsewhere

750
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 6: in the issues of the Northern Territory.

751
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 2: And then on top of that, are they going to

752
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 2: put the investment into the port that it requires. I mean,

753
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 2: this is really serious and Paul you know, you tried

754
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 2: to make it sound like that three point eight billion

755
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 2: is for the territory.

756
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 3: It is not.

757
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 10: It is for three states. What is our share? That

758
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 10: was not made clear yesterday and you have not been

759
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 10: able to say that our eight billion.

760
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 2: Is still on the table. I mean this is this

761
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 2: is how people are putting food on their table. Let's

762
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 2: not muck around. Besides the strategic importance of it, tradees,

763
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 2: defense is the only game in town, the only game

764
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 2: in town because your government has failed on major projects

765
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 2: and if this dries up, people will literally be out

766
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: of work and aren't able to stay here.

767
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 5: There's a range of other projects that are going on

768
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 5: outside of defense, but if we just concentrate on if

769
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 5: we just concentrate on defense alone, through our procurement and

770
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 5: making sure that our bilocal programs. We've absolutely worked really

771
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 5: closely with Defense and their major contractors to make sure

772
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 5: that those massive contracts that come, whether it's Larachie or

773
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 5: into the Darwin specific areas, get broken down. You look

774
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 5: at Larika at the tinder layer base and the work

775
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 5: that's going on there a majority of local contractors that

776
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 5: are now able to do that work because we've worked

777
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 5: with Defense we've worked with the senior contractors to get

778
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 5: those programs and those big areas of funding broken down

779
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 5: so that local contractors can use it. So we absolutely

780
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 5: know they're going to continue to invest in the in

781
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 5: the Northern Territory and it won't be a fi FA workforce.

782
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 5: There'll be locals that have.

783
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 10: That work well.

784
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: I think it's very important that that work is local,

785
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: keys very quick con before we move on.

786
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 9: A couple of years ago I went to a briefing

787
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 9: buy the Army people because at that stage they had

788
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 9: approval through the Senate Committee Estenate Committee for seven hundred

789
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 9: million to be invested into the territory. And the reason

790
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 9: I went to it because a lot of the money

791
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 9: was going to Robertson Army barrackses close to where I live,

792
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 9: and that works underway now I can see it happening.

793
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 9: And also they were doing things out at Bradshaw for

794
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 9: something seal the airstrip out there about one point two

795
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 9: kilometers of airstript beings seld s would be a massive job,

796
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 9: and doing some stuff at Tindall, but for example the

797
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 9: Robinson Army Barracks area across the road from them, they're

798
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 9: they're developing a firing range, and they're also developing a

799
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 9: large course where people go and practice driving whatever tanks

800
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 9: or big trucks or something.

801
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 10: So there is that I know that's work way, but

802
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 10: is the rest of it coming through?

803
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 9: So that's a seven hundred million dollar commitment just for

804
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 9: the territory. But I haven't seen the reports. So I'm

805
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 9: going to get the report and try and track down

806
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 9: and get some sense out of this funding commitment, like

807
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 9: is it really coming to us or we've.

808
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: Got to share going into share well, and it is

809
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: something that we do need to make sure that we're

810
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: clear on now. I do want to move on because

811
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: there is so much to discuss this week, and obviously

812
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: Howard Springs it has been a really.

813
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 3: I'm a bit of a the other way to put it,

814
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 3: I don't think.

815
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: And after weeks of saying that there was only wear

816
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 1: and tear out of Howard Springs, the Chief Minister had

817
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,720
Speaker 1: to admit throughout the week that there were other issues

818
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: that led to damage out.

819
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 3: At Howard Springs.

820
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: We know that you know Howard Springs fair enough that

821
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: it has been utilized to evacuate people from those flood zones,

822
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: and nobody is suggesting that you know that that is

823
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: not should not be the case. But the problem here

824
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: is is that there's been a small number of people

825
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: that have done the wrong thing, and really very much

826
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: done the wrong thing by the sounds of it. I

827
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: don't understand realistically why the Chief Minister went down the

828
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:28,959
Speaker 1: path of saying that it was just wear and tear.

829
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: I think that if she'd come out straight from the

830
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: get go and said we've got some people that have

831
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: vandalized the area or broken windows or done whatever, there

832
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: would not be so much egg on her face at

833
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: this point in time.

834
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 10: And that's coming.

835
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 7: You and I have talked about Katie, like what was

836
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 7: the strategy behind it? I understand her.

837
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 6: I think maybe she was trying to ensure that all

838
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 6: the people that were staying there weren't going to be

839
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 6: painted with the same brush. But I don't think anyone

840
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 6: that would have done that if I'd said that there's

841
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 6: a small group of people causing issues, because I mean,

842
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 6: that's just society.

843
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 3: To cover up another cover up.

844
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 9: It can't be that difficult to narrow down who the

845
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 9: perpetrators were, Like, let's say six hundred.

846
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 7: People security vision.

847
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 9: Let's those six hundred people all have names, and they

848
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 9: all would have been given a room. They just didn't

849
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 9: arrive on a bus and were told go find a room,

850
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 9: they would have been allocated room. There'll be names attached

851
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 9: to rooms, I would suspect, I would hope. And then

852
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 9: if there's damaged to individual rooms, surely then you know,

853
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 9: if it's not the family who was staying in that room,

854
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 9: then they sure as hell can tell the authorities who

855
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 9: was the fire extinguishers, who broke the toilets, who trashed

856
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 9: the mattresses, who trashed windows? Those? And why is it

857
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 9: that you need a thirty thousand dollars contract from what

858
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 9: I believe to be I suspecting a quantity surveyor would

859
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 9: do that work to assess the level of damage. Thirty

860
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 9: thousand dollars consultancy.

861
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: For a construction company to a construction company who won

862
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 2: that he won that tend up?

863
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 3: Was it?

864
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: Yeah?

865
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 10: Yes, but it means there are major structural problems.

866
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 9: Struct problem so then you're going to have to get

867
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 9: engineers in to work out if you've got to fix things.

868
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 9: But we're talking about electrical mechanical apart from the physical

869
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 9: lass And I've told you before, I think Katie on

870
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 9: this show. There were skip bins out there, just stuff

871
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 9: being loaded up. And also, so don't forget these people,

872
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 9: apart from getting funding, I don't know what it was

873
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 9: the payments to be there, and that's okay because they've

874
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 9: lost all their home and possessions. But there was also

875
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 9: full catering. There was full catering out of that site

876
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 9: for three meals a day for every individual. Now I

877
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 9: will be doing some questions on notice to get to

878
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 9: the bottom of the cost of rebility.

879
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 7: No doubting or appearance estenates.

880
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 9: I'll get I'll get a crappy thing back saying, oh,

881
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,280
Speaker 9: we're getting ready for estimates. You can ask your questions.

882
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 7: That's a week.

883
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 3: I mean, it's become it's brought a political issue. I

884
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 3: think it has been Minister.

885
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 6: You know, it's an image situation when her deputy comes

886
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 6: out first and admits that there's damage, and then the

887
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 6: Territory Families Minister a few days later does it, and

888
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 6: still again she says it's where and tear to Then

889
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 6: finally a week after the yes, now I've got the advice.

890
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 9: It just doesn't make sense.

891
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: It makes people think that you're being dishonest. It really

892
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: makes people think that you're being dishonest. But I think

893
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: for me, at the heart of this is and I

894
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: think that sometimes what happens, you know, with our politicians

895
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: and three of you in the studio this morning, is

896
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: that sometimes people focus so much on their opposition, whether

897
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Speaker 1: you're in labor or whether you are in the CLP

898
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: or whether you're an independent, that you forget that it's

899
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: real people that actually want to know the answers to

900
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 1: these questions, and so forget, well, that's good Keysier, the

901
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: real people get that's the thing. It's real people that

902
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: were saying, hang on, I'm concerned about what's going on

903
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: out there. And you know, the Chief Minister had said

904
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: to us on the show, it is wear and tears.

905
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: She then doubled down when she was interviewed on the

906
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Speaker 1: ABC and said that it was wear and tear. And

907
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Speaker 1: then I think it was a day later, Kathleen, you

908
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: had the Deputy Chief Minister on nine News saying that

909
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: it was more, you know, it was more than just.

910
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 6: Wear in tear, and don't think into the impression that's

911
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 6: what was going to come from that press conference all

912
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 6: of a sudden, very much in.

913
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: Light and we had two tenders come out prior to that,

914
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: So prior to the Chief Minute, prior to even the

915
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: Deputy Chief Minister coming out, there was the thirty thousand

916
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: dollars tender two days before that, and a week or

917
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 2: two before that was the one hundred thousand dollars tender.

918
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 2: The Mattresses and Natasha Files continued to cover this issue up,

919
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 2: continued to be dishonest with the community.

920
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 9: Badly managed, Katie. If the Chief Minister believes that that

921
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 9: damage is where in Tear, what the hell are those

922
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 9: people doing out in their Aboriginal communities with their houses?

923
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 9: Is that why we've got the problem with Aboriginal housing

924
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 9: in the bush being wrecked and trashed the way it

925
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 9: is where in Tear.

926
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: Now, I don't know why, Honestly, I don't know what

927
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: she was thinking when she'd said that, and I don't

928
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 1: know whether the advice was bad. She had said to

929
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: me that was the advice that she'd been given.

930
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 9: Just bad advice.

931
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 3: But yeah, the other thing too, she said.

932
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 10: You can't blame bad advice, you make up your own.

933
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 10: She is the Chief Minute. Sorry.

934
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 9: Well, one thing I saw them press release from government.

935
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 9: They've taken out these commendation pods to I think maybe Darga,

936
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 9: argu and Coquering. Youll all of them, all of the

937
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 9: above for temporary until they get their proper houses fixed.

938
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 9: I will put money on it now. Those temporary prods

939
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 9: will not be able to reuse once I've been out

940
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 9: in those communities. That will be a cost that would

941
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 9: have to be written off.

942
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: Well, look, and that is not good at all, Curbs,

943
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you make of this whole situation?

944
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 3: Did the Chief finishter get bad advice? What's happened?

945
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,479
Speaker 5: Well, I was actually over the last couple of weeks

946
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 5: been in Catherine Tennant and Alice Springs, so haven't had

947
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 5: the opportunity. We know the Chief Minister is down in

948
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 5: camera today at National Cabinet, so I haven't spoken with

949
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 5: her directly about the advice that she was getting on

950
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 5: the infrastructure. Minister had been out with some different people

951
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 5: at Howard Spring so obviously the advice was conflicting that

952
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 5: the Chief was getting at the time. Look, we know

953
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 5: that anytime we have to evacuate people at really really

954
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 5: short notice, there's going to be a cost no matter

955
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 5: what or where we have to try and house these

956
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 5: people at really short notice. Over the line period of time,

957
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 5: there won't be the capacity to house people here. There'll

958
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 5: be there's other contractoral arrangements that the government will try

959
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 5: and into into for this facility, and we'll be back

960
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 5: to the stage of whether we have to put tents

961
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 5: up at Robson or show grounds, at the showgrounds or

962
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 5: anywhere else to try and house people. So we'll certainly

963
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 5: work through Obviously, if they have to be repairs done

964
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 5: out there, we will work through that and make sure that.

965
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 10: It is up to speed.

966
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 5: Those pods or the accommodation coreters out there that were

967
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 5: built for workers to work in out there right from

968
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 5: the get go, like they were, they're not temporary, but

969
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 5: they're you know, they're they're not massive, they're not brick buildings.

970
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 5: They're certainly small, little accommodation units for individuals to stay in.

971
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 5: So I can understand how they would be damaged if

972
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 5: some people have gone.

973
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 7: I think anyone.

974
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 6: I don't think anyone is against housing these people at

975
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 6: how it's not what's going to be a longer period

976
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:57,919
Speaker 6: of time.

977
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 7: I mean, they shouldn't be stuck.

978
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 6: Actually, the respect of the facility that is paid for

979
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 6: by tax payers, and I mean there's there's vision been

980
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 6: posted online by Action for Alice of someone walking through

981
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 6: the facility, bordered up windows, graffiti on doors, mattresses flung

982
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 6: out at the front of the buildings.

983
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 7: It looks like an absolute mess.

984
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: Fundamentally, it is a it's a territory asset. It is

985
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: a Northern Territory asset. It is everybody's asset. It costs

986
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: a lot of money to maintain every single year. You know,

987
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: when the government made the decision that they were going

988
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: to take it on after it was handed over by

989
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: impects people going is this the right move for us?

990
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: You know, can the Northern Territory continue to sort of

991
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: to pay for it.

992
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 3: It's ended up being a really great asset.

993
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: So, you know, good on the government for having the

994
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: foresight to take it on and think, all right, we

995
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: might be able to use this as something because it's

996
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: been incredibly beneficial over recent years. But I just think

997
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: that at the end of the day, what we expect

998
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: from our politicians, and I don't think that it's too much,

999
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: is for people to be honest and to be open

1000
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: and to be transparent.

1001
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 6: And you know, they have caused damage that small group

1002
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 6: of people because it's not the majority they are exactly.

1003
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 2: But for the Deputy Chief Minister to have to come

1004
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 2: out and admit it, and the Chief Minister to continue

1005
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 2: to pretend it wasn't happening was astonishing.

1006
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 10: And you know what, one week later, where's Nicole Madison

1007
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 10: on the other side of the world. I don't know

1008
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 10: if that's a.

1009
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 3: I don't know, but interesting.

1010
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 10: Quickly she was out of there.

1011
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 5: I think you know from your experience those overseas trips

1012
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 5: take a long time to put together. They can be

1013
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 5: canceled at short notice, but they do take.

1014
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: A long time.

1015
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 10: We are going to have to tell you what they're canceling.

1016
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 3: We're going to have to take a very short break.

1017
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three

1018
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: sixty Before we wrap up, though, we know that we've

1019
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: got a situation with the Children's Commissioner, and the Northern

1020
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: Territory Children's Commissioner is indeed seeking compensation over the misconceived

1021
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: attempt to prosecute her. We also have a situation where

1022
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: we are waiting for an outcome when it comes to

1023
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Police Commissioner. So, according to The Australian

1024
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: newspaper earlier in the week, the Northern Territory Police Commissioner

1025
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: Jamie Chalker is holding off on filing his evidence against

1026
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: the Chief Minister for another week, in a move that

1027
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: suggests the parties might be negotiating an imminent settlement in

1028
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: the costly case. That is what was reported by the

1029
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: Australian newspaper Paul Kirby, Is there any update on that situation?

1030
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 5: Oh, look, at any stage you're in negotiations, there are

1031
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 5: tender times when you don't want to be speaking about

1032
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 5: them and upset the negotiation. So they are absolutely progressing.

1033
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 5: But yeah, I won't add any commentary to that because

1034
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 5: they are at a very tender stage and we're absolutely

1035
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 5: committed to continue to work through that.

1036
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 2: Well, what Territorians want is this to be resolved, because

1037
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 2: while Natasha Farz is spending her time preparing her for

1038
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 2: her cross examination in the Supreme Court, who is leading

1039
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 2: the territory out of this crime crisis? And that's what

1040
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 2: people are so disappointed about. Our poor police are now

1041
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 2: in a holding pattern until this is resolved. And at

1042
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: a time when we have a crime and police crisis,

1043
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 2: this bungle by Natasha Farz couldn't have come at a

1044
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: worse time.

1045
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 5: I think the person that's leading the chief Minister the

1046
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 5: Northern Territory is the chief Minister. She's down in National

1047
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 5: Cabinet at the moment, so there's absolutely no doubts there.

1048
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 9: Well where I just think the government just better have

1049
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 9: a big purse. I've got quite a few payouts coming.

1050
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 9: Why does missioners and commissioners and commissioners. Then they've got

1051
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 9: a massive bill to clean up Howard Springs. So budget's

1052
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 9: coming up to most So it'll be interested to see

1053
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 9: where these bits get. How much to pay out this commissioner,

1054
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 9: how much to pay out that it won't be known, well,

1055
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 9: it won't be I know that we died all settlements,

1056
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 9: I get all that, but you know how much to

1057
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 9: tidy up Howard Springs? How much to fix this up?

1058
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 9: How much for the pods that are going out to

1059
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 9: Dagga Argue.

1060
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: They're all very good questions, Caiz, Yeah, very good questions. Indeed,

1061
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: we might have to get in here to help out sometimes.

1062
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 3: And now a quick message from Jerry Wood. He likes

1063
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 3: to get in contact. Jerry.

1064
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: He's messaged and said single workers' quarters would never go

1065
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: in to be suitable for Aboriginal families out at Howard

1066
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: Springs weedyit of all family should have take with Catherine Showgrounds.

1067
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: Hey Jerry, well that is it for the week that

1068
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: was this morning.

1069
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 3: Opposition leader Leothan Oki are always good to have you

1070
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 3: on the show. Thank you.

1071
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 10: Great to be back. I just wanted to do a

1072
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 10: quick shout out to Autism and Tee.

1073
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 2: They have their annual Autism Walk tomorrow morning at Sunset

1074
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 2: Park from eight thirty am Sunset Parks in Nightcliffe. Do

1075
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 2: you want to come down spend money on the barbecue,

1076
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:34,439
Speaker 2: raise money for Autism and Tee.

1077
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 10: I know they'll appreciate it.

1078
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 3: Wonderful stuff.

1079
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: Nine News Darwin's Kathleen Gazzola, thank you for your time

1080
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: this morning.

1081
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 3: Easier, Thank you, Paul.

1082
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 5: Kirby, thank you very much. Ty Festival tomorrow down at

1083
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 5: the waterfront, the Kids Barrow Classic for anybody that's down

1084
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 5: at the Daily and May Day on Monday, Happy Union

1085
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 5: Christmas to all that homrade out there.

1086
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 3: Cathen you're going fishing at you this summer. We'll be

1087
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 3: at the Daily Monday Tuesday.

1088
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 6: Hostfully getting to wed a line, so make sure people

1089
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 6: aren't in the boats, aren't running away from me, please, Good.

1090
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 3: Stuff thank you all so much for your time this morning,

1091
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 3: and we will catch

1092
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,439
Speaker 1: You again next well next week actually I'll be away,

1093
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: but we'll have a week that was when I get

1094
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: back the following week