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Speaker 2: And joining me in the studio is the Colps Maurray

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Speaker 2: Claire booth Be good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Good morning.

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Speaker 2: We've got nine News Darwin's Kathleen Gazola.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Kathleen.

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Speaker 4: Morning.

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Speaker 1: We've got Pasier Puic, the Independent member.

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Speaker 2: For god Morning bush people and bearing a gift.

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Speaker 5: Bearing gifts from Russell. Hello Russell, I put them in

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Speaker 5: luck you instructed me with you now.

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Speaker 2: You know the key to my heart truly is food.

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Speaker 2: Eva All, the Minister for All, the Treasurer and also

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Speaker 2: the Minister for Transport, Infrastructure and Education.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for all the time.

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Speaker 2: And yeah we'll get stuck into those cupcakes a bit

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Speaker 2: later this morning. They look delicious, and a big thank

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Speaker 2: you to Russell for making sure that we got our hands.

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Speaker 1: On those and for Keisier for bringing them in. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Now, look, there is so much to cover off on

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Speaker 2: this morning. It's been a really interesting sort of week.

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Speaker 2: And and we know that yesterday there was a law

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Speaker 2: He went on to say if there was a young

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Speaker 1: Kathleen, you were at that pre what conference? Just did

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Speaker 6: That's right, So pretty strong words coming from Kate Warden,

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Speaker 6: It seemed that labor, both territory and federally had gotten

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Speaker 6: Of course this is his second visit. He had been

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Speaker 2: Well, and that was what we'd heard from the mayor

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Speaker 1: We want to feel safe in our homes again.

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Speaker 7: And that's why Peter Dutton has gone back to Alice Springs,

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Speaker 8: So Katie, I mean, I would like to actually be

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Speaker 8: So why have a say now, No, come out now

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Speaker 2: There's been no money whatsoever you know, put forward by

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Speaker 1: That is the reason for all of our shoes right now.

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Speaker 8: Well it would have been helpful. As I said, we

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Speaker 8: Now, the Royal Commission wasn't the no no, no, you're no.

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Speaker 5: There's a couple of things.

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Speaker 5: That's the first thing.

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Speaker 9: The second thing is clearly there's some politics at play

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Speaker 3: And we've actually got some facts.

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Speaker 7: The Australian Institute of Health and Welfare in the twenty

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Speaker 8: I mean, we cannot be five percent of children in

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Speaker 8: But you know, children have been sexually abused in Australia.

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Speaker 2: Look, I understand the point that you're making, even that

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. So that people and this is.

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Speaker 1: I'm ready for the federal police to step in. We've

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Speaker 2: That's not just a you know, one off or two

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Speaker 9: Chadi, I think with I mean, yes, don't forget Peter

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Speaker 1: So you've got we actually here Minister for Police.

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Speaker 1: So that's a very good point.

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Speaker 2: of us to know that there are kids out on

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Speaker 9: The other thing I've been thinking is, yes, all sorts

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Speaker 9: But you know, what are they doing in the daytime,

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Speaker 5: So it's a it's a I mean, we've.

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Speaker 9: Seen the vision, it's been on the news, it's been

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Speaker 5: They've probably been.

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Speaker 9: Arrested many times. So there's a certain amount of known quantities.

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Speaker 9: But it's just no one seems to be prepared to

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Speaker 8: There's so the aureos, there's people, there's youth workers that

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Speaker 8: They then work with you know, carers and people like that.

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Speaker 8: You know, the other one is through schools. The schools

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Speaker 2: The really obvious question is, you know, for I guess,

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Speaker 1: Overnight. But we're at our wits needs.

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Speaker 6: To be like a respite of some sort, and that's

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Speaker 6: We've heard time and time again that our police force

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Speaker 4: It's to supplement and provide that extra Is.

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Speaker 2: It a situation hang on just one moment, Murray clip

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Speaker 5: But you know it doesn't make a difference, Katie.

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Speaker 8: Know what, what do you actually want the federal police

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Speaker 5: To be walking the streets in our streets?

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Speaker 8: As we said, there are police walking in the streets,

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Speaker 2: That situation on the weekend where there was kids everywhere

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Speaker 8: Yeah, possibly, they probably could have could assist, but you

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Speaker 3: He said. The alleged kids that.

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Speaker 7: Were caught were aged thirteen and fourteen, and he's asking

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Speaker 7: Why aren't you going as a priority to the Prime

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Speaker 3: People in federal police.

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Speaker 8: agencies in other springs, whether it's education, health, territory, families, police,

445
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Speaker 8: the very focused. We've got Derell Anderson that's leading the

446
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Speaker 8: group down there. And as you said, the figures show

447
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Speaker 8: an improvement in the data, but of course, as I said,

448
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Speaker 8: it's never enough. If there's always if there's a break

449
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Speaker 8: in the breaking a childcare is a terrible situation. One

450
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Speaker 8: thing understand that.

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Speaker 4: One thing that's confused me.

452
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Speaker 6: I put we put questions to Linda Burnie's office as

453
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Speaker 6: to as to that money, and they've actually said that

454
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Speaker 6: some of it has apparently already flowed out to services

455
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Speaker 6: that were supposedly ending their funding rounds on June thirty,

456
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Speaker 6: but that and extending them potentially for at least another

457
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Speaker 6: two years. But that confuses because we were promised that

458
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Speaker 6: there would be an audit of all the services and

459
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Speaker 6: bodies in Alice Springs that are supposed to be providing

460
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Speaker 6: the support, the child service whatever down there, and yet

461
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Speaker 6: this funding is coming to continue on for two years.

462
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Speaker 6: So that feels like a bit of a contradiction.

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Speaker 4: Do you know anything about that?

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Speaker 5: No, I'm not across why.

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Speaker 8: But you know it would be I presume that there

466
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Speaker 8: would be some service that it was an imperative that

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Speaker 8: it continued, and so they would be just getting early advice.

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Speaker 8: Obviously when you do the budget, you know what's in

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Speaker 8: the budget, So they would have got early advice that

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Speaker 8: they would be continuing to get some funding after June thirtieth,

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Speaker 8: so they wouldn't need to lay people off.

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Speaker 5: That would be why and.

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Speaker 8: It would be a service that would have been recognized

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Speaker 8: by people on the ground as a service that needed

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Speaker 8: to continue.

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Speaker 2: All right, We're going to take a really short break

477
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Speaker 2: when we come back because we are talking so much

478
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Speaker 2: about the police. I do want to speak about the

479
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Speaker 2: fact that we still don't know exactly what the future

480
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Speaker 2: of the Police Commissioner hold.

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Speaker 1: So we'll be talking about that in just a moment.

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Speaker 2: It's just twenty seven minutes after nine o'clock. If you

483
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Speaker 2: have just joined us, I've seen the studio. We've got

484
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Speaker 2: the Treasurer, Evil Laula, We've got Keesiapuric, the Independent Member

485
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Speaker 2: for Goid, Kathleen Gazola from nine News Darwin, and also

486
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Speaker 2: Marie Claire Boothby from the COLP. Now we have been

487
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Speaker 2: speaking about the issues obviously not only in Central Australia

488
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Speaker 2: but around the Northern Territory when it comes to crime.

489
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Speaker 2: And we also know that last week the Northern Territory

490
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Speaker 2: government's desire for the Commissioner to resign had dominated headlines

491
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Speaker 2: and then over the weekend just gone over the Easter weekend,

492
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Speaker 2: the Commissioner issued a statement through his legal representation saying

493
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Speaker 2: the ongoing speculation in relation to the Commissioner is not

494
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Speaker 2: in the interests of the brave women and men of

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Speaker 2: the Northern Territory Police Force or the public, let alone

496
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Speaker 2: fair to a Commissioner who's been discharging his duties with

497
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Speaker 2: integrity in the interests of the public. In order to

498
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Speaker 2: attempt to resolve the unfortunate matter, the Commissioner has proposed

499
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Speaker 2: that a mediation take place between the legal representatives of

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Speaker 2: the Northern Territory Government and the legal representatives of the Commissioner,

501
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Speaker 2: to be chaired by an eminent retired judge from an

502
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Speaker 2: interstate jurisdiction. It is the desire of the Commissioner that

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Speaker 2: the mediation take place as a matter of urgency now.

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Speaker 2: The statement went on to say that the commission has

505
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Speaker 2: been appointed to his role until November twenty twenty three,

506
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Speaker 2: with the option for renewal of his four year contract

507
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Speaker 2: to be subject to discussions in May. So we know

508
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Speaker 2: that we're just about in May, and we are in

509
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Speaker 2: this situation where the Chief Minister had told us earlier

510
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Speaker 2: in the week well that she is hoping to have

511
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Speaker 2: the issue resolved quite quickly, but there has been I

512
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Speaker 2: guess a refusal from the government to really say whether

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Speaker 2: they've got confidence in the Police commissioner at this point

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Speaker 2: in time.

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Speaker 1: Here, I can see you're ready.

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Speaker 8: To go there.

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Speaker 9: I just think I just think it's the most alarming

518
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Speaker 9: and poor mismanagement of a termination of employment I've ever

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Speaker 9: seen my whole born days.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 5: And the fact that it's at the top the topst

522
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Speaker 5: that's not a good word.

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Speaker 9: The fact that it's at the highest level, meaning a

524
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Speaker 9: Commissioner of Police and the Chief Minister or whoever rang

525
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Speaker 9: the Police commission to say they didn't have confidence in

526
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Speaker 9: me anymore.

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Speaker 5: Clearly the commissioner.

528
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Speaker 9: Said no, I'm not going to resign, and then it

529
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Speaker 9: was like, oh shit, now what do we do. So

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Speaker 9: my way of thinking is that, as I think I've

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Speaker 9: said before on this show or elsewhere, the crisis management

532
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Speaker 9: is exceptionally poor when you hit, when you get a

533
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Speaker 9: major crisis, and addressing the crisis by the government is

534
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Speaker 9: very poor. Now there's issues about the Police Commissioner, his performance,

535
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Speaker 9: his attitude, the surveys of Police Association, etc.

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Speaker 5: Etc.

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Speaker 9: But I agree fully with the Police Association's statement that

538
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Speaker 9: it's a bit rich. The rank and file have certain

539
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Speaker 9: limitations on them when it comes to appeals for discipline reasons.

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Speaker 9: Or the case of Mark Casey, who was he was

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Speaker 9: on leave without with pay for nearly ten months trying

542
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Speaker 9: to sort out his issue and then they just sacked him.

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Speaker 5: Clearly he can appeal, but it's up to two years

544
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Speaker 5: before you get your appeal heads a long time.

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Speaker 9: And yet this dude comes along and says, oh, I

546
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Speaker 9: want a retired judge from inter state, eminently qualified.

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Speaker 5: Well, what's wrong with the retired judges here?

548
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Speaker 9: You know, the government's quite happy to use the Trevor

549
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Speaker 9: rileyes for you know, liquor reviews.

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Speaker 5: We've got Graham Whole that's we retired.

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Speaker 9: So is he is he suggesting that any ex judge

552
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Speaker 9: here or some qualified mediator is going to be biased. Well,

553
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Speaker 9: I think that's insulting to our people here in the

554
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Speaker 9: Northern Territory. And why can't his lawyers then just negotiate

555
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Speaker 9: with the government laws. Clearly it'll be the Solicitor General's office.

556
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Speaker 9: Like if he really thinks that, you know, he's owed something,

557
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Speaker 9: or he thinks he's going to hang on to job

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Speaker 9: for another four years.

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Speaker 5: He's clearly delusional, you know, like, just sort it out.

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Speaker 9: And get on with either an acting commissioner or go

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Speaker 9: through the process for pointing a new commissioner. Because it's

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Speaker 9: undermining confidence in all of the territory, not just the

563
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Speaker 9: police force and how we go about our law and order,

564
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Speaker 9: but it's undermining all of the territory. You can't even

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Speaker 9: sort out an imployment issue with the police commissioner. How

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Speaker 9: can you run the territory government?

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Speaker 1: Look, it has been managed.

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Speaker 5: People are saying, yeah, it.

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Speaker 2: Certainly has not been managed in the best way, you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, Eva, is it safe to say that the

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Speaker 2: Northern Territory cabinet right now does not have confidence in

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Speaker 2: the Police commissioner?

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Speaker 8: Okay, do you know the police commissioner. The Police commissioner

574
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Speaker 8: has done, you know, a commendable job, a very strong job,

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Speaker 8: all through COVID. But it is a government prerogative to

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Speaker 8: not renew a contract of an executive contract or an

577
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Speaker 8: executive officer. So just for people who don't understand or

578
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Speaker 8: don't have a background in the public service, there are

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Speaker 8: permanent positions in the public service. They go up to

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Speaker 8: the senior administrative officer too.

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Speaker 5: So say O two.

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Speaker 8: After that there's executive contract officers. So you know ECO

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Speaker 8: one's two threes four or five six's. You've heard of those,

584
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Speaker 8: but that's what an ECO. As an executive contract officer,

585
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Speaker 8: you take that. You know, that's one of the risks,

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Speaker 8: I guess, or one of the things that you then

587
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Speaker 8: choose if you're moving from a permanent position to an

588
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Speaker 8: executive officer position, is that your contract may not be renewed.

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Speaker 5: And so you know that's the case. There's been those conversations.

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Speaker 8: Achieve Minister said that around not renewing the contract of

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Speaker 8: the commissioner. So that process will go through and as

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Speaker 8: I said, yes it's been made public, we don't know.

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Speaker 8: Most times, the average public servant who doesn't have their

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Speaker 8: contract renewed isn't in the public arena.

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Speaker 5: And those things happen. They happen quite regularly.

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Speaker 8: It might be that a department wants to restructure, so

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Speaker 8: in education we had a large restructure earlier or late

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Speaker 8: last year, so there were people that then are either

599
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Speaker 8: offered different positions or they don't have their contract renewed.

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Speaker 8: It is a pretty straightforward process in the public sector.

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Speaker 8: The issue with this one is it's now in the

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Speaker 8: public arena.

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Speaker 6: You believe he did a commendable job, but you don't

604
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Speaker 6: have confidence in him.

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Speaker 8: Well, as I said, I've got absolute confidence in our

606
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Speaker 8: police force in the Northern Territory. We've got Michael Murphy

607
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Speaker 8: acting as commissioner. And Michael Murphy is already We've seen

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Speaker 8: that he's out in the ground, he's doing what needs

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Speaker 8: to do be done as an acting commissioner.

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Speaker 2: It's the thing that's difficult, I guess at the moment

611
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Speaker 2: is that, you know, when you talk about the police force,

612
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Speaker 2: there has been so much discussion about the need for

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Speaker 2: additional police I mean, we'd heard that from the Police Association.

614
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Speaker 2: We've spoken so much about, you know, about the crime

615
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Speaker 2: issues that they're dealing with, and our Northern Territory police

616
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Speaker 2: are there on the front line dealing with such serious

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Speaker 2: and hard situations. And you know, we hear on the

618
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Speaker 2: phone lines, we hear every single day in the studio

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Speaker 2: people saying that they really think that the Northern Territory

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Speaker 2: Police do an incredible job, but it's a bloody hard

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Speaker 2: one and that they don't feel as though there's enough

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Speaker 2: of them. But we also know that morale wise, according

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Speaker 2: to those recent Police Association surveys, morale is low. You've

624
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Speaker 2: got some police officers that are looking at their exit strategies.

625
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Speaker 2: But also that survey that was held towards the end

626
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Speaker 2: of last year, as you touched on before Keys here,

627
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Speaker 2: did show that seventy nine nearly eighty percent of the

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Speaker 2: is IT took part in that.

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Speaker 1: So they didn't have confidence.

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Speaker 6: And I mean that's the thing. There's question marks of

631
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Speaker 6: the timing of this whole thing that's come out. Obviously

632
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Speaker 6: negotiation must have hit some sort of stalemate or I

633
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Speaker 6: mean where obviously before May so like something's come to Yeah,

634
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Speaker 6: something's come about it. This timing, it didn't come straight

635
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Speaker 6: after the survey, but after the surveyed we'd heard the

636
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Speaker 6: government give confidence in him. So there's big question marks

637
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 6: extra around this that can't quite work out.

638
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Speaker 5: There's a couple of sides to this story.

639
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Speaker 9: One is, obviously you know how it's been handled to society,

640
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Speaker 9: of how the police Commission in these latter months has performed.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I agree with Eva.

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Speaker 9: During the COVID stuff, Commissioner Chalker and the boss Lady

643
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Speaker 9: of Health who goes names of sketching, but Professor something

644
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Speaker 9: they did an excellent job in keeping the community safe

645
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Speaker 9: and the community come and they briefed independent members because

646
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Speaker 9: I know they're briefing government opposition, so that time it's

647
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Speaker 9: a given.

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Speaker 5: He did a good job. But he should be doing

649
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Speaker 5: a good job. He's at the top of the tree.

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Speaker 9: So I think the the fact that he requested a

651
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Speaker 9: mediator intrigues me because Arthur Moses, the lawyer he has secured,

652
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Speaker 9: is one of the top barrister lawyers in the country.

653
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Speaker 9: He's been President of the National Law Council. He was

654
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Speaker 9: the barrister solicitor for Christian Holgate when she had her

655
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Speaker 9: issue with the Australian Post, etc.

656
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Christian Porter.

657
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Speaker 9: So there's no doubt the man is a top level

658
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Speaker 9: fellow in the legal world. So why the hell does

659
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Speaker 9: mister Tauper think he needs a mediator to come across

660
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Speaker 9: and above. So this is a general of the Northern

661
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Speaker 9: Territory who's eminently qualified and Arthur Moses, I just think

662
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Speaker 9: it's ridiculous. And I guarantee you he's not going to

663
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Speaker 9: pay for that mediator. He'll expect the anti government to

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Speaker 9: pay that mediator because the person.

665
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Speaker 5: Might do it for love.

666
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, the ins and outs of that.

667
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 7: Believe that we've had two weeks of uncertainty now, we

668
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 7: haven't been able to hear from the Files about what's

669
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 7: going on and who is actually going to be.

670
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 5: Our next police commissioner going forward.

671
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 7: So while Natasha Files and Jamie Chalker are fighting this out,

672
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 7: I mean, who is fighting for the territory and who

673
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 7: is fighting this crime crisis we're having. I mean, that's

674
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 7: my biggest concern because that's what territories are telling me

675
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 7: while all this is going on. Then it's like the

676
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 7: leadership of the police is rudderless and we need them

677
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 7: now more than ever. You know, de Sasher Files. I

678
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 7: think she said the other day that she needs to

679
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 7: follow process. I mean, clearly she didn't follow process when

680
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 7: she tried to terminate the police commissioner.

681
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 3: So how do you know that that's what she said if.

682
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 8: You're presuming here, Let's just be clear, as I said

683
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 8: the chief commissioners.

684
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 5: She said on radio the chief Commissioner's.

685
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 8: Contract was up for a mule and that there's a

686
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 8: process around that in the public sector, if you want

687
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 8: to read the Public Sector Act or the Police Administration

688
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 8: Act around notifying that, as you say, six months out

689
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 8: at the kat you said, may so that's a process

690
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 8: that's gone through the police.

691
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 5: Michael.

692
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 8: The Police Service has Michael Murphy. Michael Murphy who's acting commissioner.

693
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 8: The police commissioner also was actually going to be on leave.

694
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 8: So it isn't rad The police force is an organization,

695
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 8: that's it's a command and control organization. Every division would

696
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 8: have a has a boss, every division has a commander,

697
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 8: so of course they just get on and do the

698
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 8: job that they the policy.

699
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 3: Kathleen at the press conference.

700
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 4: About this, the same script we're hearing.

701
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 3: It's just lines, it's just garbage.

702
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 5: Any lines true of the matter.

703
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 8: And as I said, if you, if any any public

704
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 8: servants who are out there listening, know how an executive contract,

705
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 8: then that's why I was trying to explain it an

706
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 8: executive contract officer position.

707
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 2: And Howard, interesting thing was the timing though, like Kathleen

708
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: and pointed out, just a moment ago is timing wise

709
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 2: because I suppose, you know, people would have would have

710
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 2: understood or maybe would have thought, okay, after the Police

711
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 2: Association survey with were those quite scathing results, people may

712
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: have gone, oh okay, well fair enough. But I guess

713
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 2: with that timing now and the timing in the way

714
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: that it's rolled out, and then for the last sort

715
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: of two weeks we've had this unreal situation where where

716
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 2: the Chief Minister has not been prepared to say whether

717
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: she's got confidence in Jamie Chalker or not.

718
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: That's the part I.

719
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 2: Think that's sort of perplexing everybody, or that people are

720
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: watching ongoing. Goodness me, this has not been managed well

721
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Speaker 2: at all.

722
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 5: There's probably very good reasons and I accept them.

723
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 9: Why the Minister and the Chief Minister can't say those

724
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 9: words because the Police commissioners started a legal action against

725
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 9: the anti government. So if the Chief Minister comes out

726
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 9: and says, yes, I've got I've still got good confidence.

727
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 2: In the then.

728
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 9: The lawyer will say, yeah, but why are you trying

729
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 9: to stack him? So you know, I accept what the

730
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 9: government's doing and it's frustrating as it is for listeners

731
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 9: and for yourself as an interviewer.

732
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 5: But what even said is quite correct.

733
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 9: I mean, his contract was coming up and for whatever

734
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 9: reason we'll never know unless someone writes a book about

735
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 9: it talks about it, the government no longer wanted to

736
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 9: have him as the Police Commissioner. And the fact that

737
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 9: that's unpalatable to him. Well, it's going to be very unpalatable,

738
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 9: you know.

739
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 5: The statement you.

740
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Speaker 1: Go to the heart of the.

741
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 5: Forms, you know.

742
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 9: And I can sympathize with the poor Barsett having lost

743
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 9: my speakers rong, you know. So, But the fact is

744
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 9: contract hasn't been renewed for whatever reason. Confidence is just

745
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 9: the general term lack of confidence. But underneath that there's

746
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 9: obviously been some issues between the Antiicupet executive and the

747
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 9: Police Commissioner. What it's about specifically, we can only guess,

748
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 9: but it's how it's been managed so that she just

749
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 9: get on with it and say, right, this is the

750
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 9: deal through Thislicita General and take it or leave it.

751
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 5: Look your contracts.

752
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 2: And I guess if I was the commissioner, I would

753
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 2: be thinking to myself as well, why were we in

754
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: a situation just weeks ago where both the Minister and

755
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 2: the Chief Minister were saying that they did have confidence

756
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: in me?

757
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: So what has changed in those most recent weeks?

758
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 2: So I can understand why we are sort of in

759
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: this difficult situation now, but it is a tough one.

760
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: It is one that the Northern Territory Police Association had

761
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: said that they want resolved that they want resolved quickly.

762
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 2: They'd spoken about those double standards, but they had also,

763
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: of course spoken about the fact that they do need

764
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: we do need that certainty. The police force needs that certainty,

765
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 2: but the wider community does as well.

766
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 6: Either way this goes, you know, if if he gets

767
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 6: a renewal, which you know, then obviously relationships between both

768
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 6: levels of executive have to be repaired to some extent.

769
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 4: Obviously it's not a great look.

770
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 6: And then if it goes down the other avenue, that's

771
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 6: going to be a long.

772
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 4: Process in and of itself as well.

773
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 2: Well, look, we'll keep it close on things. Let's take

774
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: a bit of a break. You are listening to mix

775
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 2: one oh four nine's three sixty. It is the week

776
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 2: that was is just seventeen minutes away from ten o'clock

777
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 2: that number. If you'd like to call through this morning

778
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 2: eight nine four one one oh four nine.

779
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: You can also send us a text message.

780
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: Plenty of messages coming through and I will get to

781
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 2: those a little bit later this morning. Now, well, there's

782
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 2: been a few other things floating around this week. I

783
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: do just want to touch on because we've got so

784
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 2: many messages, We've had so many messages about this over

785
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 2: recent weeks, Howard springs out there at the Center for

786
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 2: National Resilient and claims by the opposition that there's been

787
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 2: damage caused out the era. I know that I've had

788
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 2: people get in contact with us here as well at

789
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,919
Speaker 2: the station saying that there's been damage caused. We asked

790
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 2: the Chief Minister about it though on Wednesday this week

791
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: and she had said that there's only sort of general

792
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 2: wear and tear.

793
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 1: True, not true, are you know? Kizier.

794
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 9: I've had people who've worked in there speak to me.

795
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 9: I don't have any photographic evidence, but there has been

796
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 9: quite for that.

797
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: On a few occasions on air, I've said, you know,

798
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: if anybody's got photographic evidence, and nobody's been prepared to

799
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 2: provide me with that, or nobody's man in contact with that.

800
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 9: Many contractors have been on site whilst servicing the facility,

801
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 9: and many contractors have gone in to fix up the damage,

802
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 9: and they're all there's a lot of security out there

803
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 9: and they're not allowed to take photographs cleaves. Some of

804
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 9: them might try and take photographs surreptitiously. But there's been

805
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 9: skip bins there. I know because I know the company

806
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 9: that will supply them that's been loaded up with rubbish

807
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 9: stuff like broken toilets, wreck mattresses, windows have been broken,

808
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 9: whatever have they broken them? And you know that doesn't

809
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 9: happen with just wear and tear, like I know. I

810
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 9: did hear an interview with Jared Marliy and someone on

811
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 9: the other station, and yes, alcohol has gone back in there,

812
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 9: and yes people have gone back in drunk and been

813
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 9: naughty and all that sort of stuff. But they're individuals

814
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 9: and that's their home away from home kind of thing.

815
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 9: But there was certain requirements around it, and that's just

816
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 9: to maintain law and order and to look after particularly

817
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 9: there's about something three or four hundred children or something,

818
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 9: so you know you've got to look after all these

819
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 9: little people.

820
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 10: But to.

821
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 9: And if the damage has been there, which I believe

822
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 9: it has, I mean, that's just wrong. Like the government

823
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 9: has provided you this facility free of charge, and the

824
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 9: bill will be picked up by the taxpayers, which is

825
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 9: us in here. But it could all be sorted by

826
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 9: who's portfolio accounts under families if the government said to

827
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 9: the opposition and perhaps are just a couple of selected media,

828
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 9: All right, let's just put this to bed because it's

829
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 9: just festering and it's going to get worse. And go

830
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 9: for a visit and it could be done like in

831
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 9: a hour. Just go because it's I mean, that facility,

832
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 9: as we know, houses three and a half thousand people.

833
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 9: So they're not in the whole complex. They'll only be

834
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 9: in one area of that complex and one will be

835
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 9: able to see. But yes, Skipping's have taken away a

836
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 9: whole lot of stuff, and contractors are I don't know

837
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 9: if they sign anything. I haven't been told that, but

838
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 9: they definitely have been told they cannot take any photographs

839
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 9: of anything.

840
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean totally unacceptable to see any damage of

841
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 8: any public property or government property. Yeah, nobody wants to

842
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 8: see that, but you know, that's what happens in an emergency.

843
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 8: The Northern Territory government has to make sure that people

844
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 8: who are you know, vulnerable, people who don't have somewhere

845
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 8: to go that have a safe place, and that's you know,

846
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 8: originally we're looking at Fosky Pavilion, but then realized that

847
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 8: it was going to be you know, more than a

848
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 8: few days, and so had to look to the Center

849
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 8: for National Resilience. So yeah, I think everybody agrees it

850
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 8: is totally unacceptable.

851
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 5: You know, I was. I went through cyclone, Tracy. I

852
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 5: was evacuated to Noagra.

853
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 8: Army camp as a twelve year old then Brisbane, And yeah,

854
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 8: I mean, of course you're all on your best behavior there,

855
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 8: but again there's alcohol involved. You know, We've made sure

856
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 8: that there's police there. We've made sure that there's security

857
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 8: officers there. If people come back drunk, they're in a

858
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 8: contained area and you know, like a spin dryer until

859
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 8: they dry out. But yeah, it is totally unacceptable if

860
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 8: there is any damage there. And yeah, it is frustrating

861
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 8: as a government because you yeah, we're doing the right thing.

862
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 8: We are doing the right thing. If we didn't do that,

863
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 8: we would be in big trouble. If we said no, sorry,

864
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 8: there's nowhere for you to go, it will be in trouble.

865
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: So you've got to make sure that there is somewhere

866
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: for people to go. So there, So obviously by the.

867
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 2: Sounds of it, people either coming back intoxicated or trying

868
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 2: to drink has been a bit of an issue.

869
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, it has been.

870
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 8: I don't think there's any you know, nobody said there isn't,

871
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 8: you know, And the government has put a number of

872
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 8: things in place you know, there's well, we've lowered the

873
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 8: speed limit along Hot White Would Road how It Springs

874
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 8: Road there, So we've done a lot of things to

875
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 8: make sure that people are safe there. And as I said,

876
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 8: when they come back if they're intoxicated, that they are

877
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 8: in one particular area. So then yeah, as you said,

878
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 8: they are not in the areas with families, with wives

879
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 8: and partners and children. But yes, it is totally unacceptable

880
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 8: that people are not doing the right thing when you

881
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 8: are being evacuated, and we would expect people to be

882
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 8: on their very best behavior. But as we see in

883
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 8: the territory, when alcohol gets involved, people don't always do

884
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 8: the right thing.

885
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 7: So when we find out how much is going to

886
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 7: cost to repair these damages to Howard Springs, is anyone

887
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 7: going to be held to account for that bad behavior?

888
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 7: I mean territories are asking this question. I mean a

889
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 7: lot of people out of Darwin. Many people in Darwen

890
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 7: have been out to that facility, either working or part

891
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 7: of that whole evacue process, in even quarantine. So it

892
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 7: could be really clear to see the damage that has

893
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 7: been done and it could be expected to be who

894
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 7: knows how much it could millions like who is going

895
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 7: to be held accountable to that?

896
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 5: Well, the same question.

897
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 9: I don't know, perhaps another minister might be able to ask.

898
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 9: I mean, what's happened with the repair bill.

899
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 3: To the jail?

900
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 5: I mean that was trashed two years ago and apparently

901
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 5: the repair bill was going to.

902
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 10: Be ten.

903
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 4: Committed insurance and it is starting to work on that.

904
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 9: That's taking build That's a lot of money. That was

905
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 9: obviously a ride with both prisoners. So that's one situation

906
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 9: because you're incarcerated, but that's a massive bill.

907
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 5: And well, these kind of buildings.

908
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 9: That powd springs are like what are you going to

909
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 9: demandable kind of structures? So, I mean it's pretty easy

910
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 9: to replace them, but that's not the point that.

911
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 5: Answer your question.

912
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 7: It's going to pay exactly, but that's going to have

913
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,479
Speaker 7: it needs to be held to account for that because

914
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 7: you can't just go around damaging things, especially government property,

915
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 7: where they have gone over and above to try and

916
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 7: help these people. I mean, this is part of this

917
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 7: whole lawlessness society that we're in right now. You can't

918
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 7: people can't get away with anything that needs to be

919
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 7: held to account.

920
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 2: Fever, I'm sure something that you'll be having to juggle

921
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 2: with the I'm assuming with the infrastructure, but also treasurer.

922
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, as we said, it is totally unacceptable for people

923
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 8: to damage things in the territory.

924
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 2: Look, we are going to take a very short break

925
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 2: because we're very fast, running out of time, and I

926
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 2: do want to just touch on We'll take a very

927
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 2: short break and then I want to touch on some

928
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 2: of those soaring prices when it comes to essential workers

929
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 2: trying to rent places to live. It's a tough one.

930
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: We spoke about it a little bit earlier in the week,

931
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: so stick around. Still plenty more coming your way. It

932
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 2: is just eight minutes away from ten o'clock if you've

933
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 2: just joined us. We've got Marie Claire Boothby, Kathleen Gazola,

934
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 2: Kesiopuric and Evil Lawla in the.

935
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: Studio with us now.

936
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: Yesterday we actually spoke about housing and this new report

937
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 2: found that soaring rents are pricing essential workers out of

938
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 2: their communities across Australia, with the average employee spending around

939
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 2: two thirds of their income on housing. So the national

940
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 2: housing campaign Everybody's Home, has released this priced Out report,

941
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 2: which compares data on against the award wages for fifteen

942
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 2: essential worker categories, and the report found that since March

943
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, essential workers have lost an average of six

944
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 2: hours from their weekly income to rent increases, So it

945
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: is an average of thirty seven days each year. We're

946
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 2: talking about workers in age care, childcare, hospitality, postal, meatpacking, freight.

947
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 1: They're just to sort of name a few.

948
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 2: We caught up with Peter McMillan yesterday from NT Shelter

949
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: and spoke a little bit more.

950
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:29,240
Speaker 1: About the situation.

951
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: It's you know, I guess in this instance we're talking rent,

952
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: but bloody hell, the cost of livings high, isn't ash?

953
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 6: I mean to add to that, we had domain report

954
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 6: last week I think, and their latest quarterly rent report

955
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,919
Speaker 6: had houses at high records that we haven't seen since

956
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 6: twenty twelve, and that for units it had reached thirty

957
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 6: dollars lower than the twenty fourteen heigh.

958
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

959
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 8: So yeah, government recognizes this is an absolutely difficult and

960
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 8: impertive issue. Out our last budget, our last anti budget,

961
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 8: we had done the report bringing land to market, so

962
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 8: how can we facilitate more land?

963
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 5: And so we've done land releases.

964
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 8: So in Holts, for example, that tender should be I

965
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 8: mean the expression of interest should announced very soon. Around

966
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 8: another four hundred lots there in Catherine. I was in

967
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 8: Catherine last week, Catherine East releasing more land there that

968
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 8: the headworks are. I think we're sixteen million to put

969
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 8: headworks into Catherine East, also in Tenant, but also kill Gareff,

970
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 8: so trying to get land onto.

971
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 5: The market as quickly as possible.

972
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 8: We have that fifty percent infill as well as fifty

973
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 8: percent new greenfield, so there is some good land. I

974
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 8: mean Malac with the old caravan park. There's new subdivision

975
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 8: that's going in there. I've approved a number of apartment

976
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 8: buildings also in Darwin. But one of the issues also

977
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 8: we're facing is it's costing about thirty percent more to

978
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 8: build and that's Australia wide. So of course if you're

979
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 8: a developer or a builder, and we've seen touch wood,

980
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,439
Speaker 8: we've been quite fortunate here. We haven't seen those big

981
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 8: builders going broke, but we've seen that into state in

982
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 8: New South Wales Victoria.

983
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 5: So it is a difficult situation.

984
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 8: But the federal government they made an announcement and that'll

985
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 8: be followed up in the budget about building a million

986
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 8: new houses in Australia.

987
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 5: But it has to be in good land.

988
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 8: So they've said to the territory and every state and territory,

989
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 8: you need to allocate land where we can then allocate

990
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 8: you builds and so it might be around affordable housing.

991
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 5: So there is some affordable housing in the territory. We

992
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 5: need more.

993
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 8: So you've got your social housing, which is your public

994
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 8: housing that we see, but you also need affordable housing

995
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 8: for the person who.

996
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 5: It might be a young family.

997
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, a young family, but you're in retail or in

998
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 8: childcare something where your wage isn't high, so you need

999
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 8: to be able to afford that rather than paying you

1000
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 8: for money.

1001
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 2: You've found some land either that you've put to the

1002
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 2: federal government that we can get a bit of cash.

1003
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 8: So that's at Holts. That's a land there. So that

1004
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 8: went out in the expression of interest late last year.

1005
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 8: There was a number of companies that have applied to

1006
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 8: develop that land. So we'll be seeing that an announcement

1007
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 8: very soon. But there's four hundred lots there and then

1008
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 8: we'll push through to Kawandy as well.

1009
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 5: But yeah, there is strong demand.

1010
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,720
Speaker 8: But you know, if you drive through Zicicoli, there's plenty

1011
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 8: of building happening out with Zecolia Aspire and lots of

1012
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 8: new houses going in there for young families.

1013
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 9: I don't know a lot of detail about it, but

1014
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 9: maybe the government should look like in Act in Canberra,

1015
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 9: they in the private sector in par fact, they have

1016
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 9: perpetual leases for private but they have a formula where

1017
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 9: you can only increase the rent by so much yep.

1018
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 9: So like if it was a five hundred I think

1019
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 9: it's about five hundred dollars house unit whatever, you can

1020
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 9: only increase it by about sort of thirty forty dollars,

1021
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 9: you know, so it actually helps the market to be

1022
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 9: affordable for people rather than as has happened here.

1023
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 5: You know, rents go astronomically high.

1024
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 9: So maybe the government should be looking at something like

1025
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 9: what they do in the Act, with a formula to

1026
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 9: keep rents realistic in line with Well, that's.

1027
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 2: A hard one because I guess you don't want to

1028
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 2: be meddling too much into into the private sector, but

1029
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: then you do want to make sure that you know

1030
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 2: that people can afford to live here, particularly you know,

1031
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 2: when we're talking about filling those essential worker roles, and

1032
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: we know that we have had a shortage in different

1033
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 2: areas when it comes two jobs being filled. And when

1034
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: you talk about the fact that we're always wanting to

1035
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 2: build the population in the Northern Territory and grow the population,

1036
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 2: so I guess it is something that we need to

1037
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: keep it Onye.

1038
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 8: He's really vitally important. As he said, we need more

1039
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 8: migrants in the Northern Territory, but they need somewhere to live.

1040
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 8: So it is about trying to push really quickly to

1041
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 8: get new subdivisions out and the government's very much focused

1042
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 8: on that.

1043
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 5: But it has to be a range of range as well.

1044
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 8: One of the things I did in Catherine will say

1045
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 8: that in the areas that are high and dry in Catherine,

1046
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 8: people with large blocks can put in granny flats and

1047
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 8: you know, or put in dual occupancy here. So we

1048
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 8: did an exemption around the Planning Act to see that happen.

1049
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 8: So that is about, you know, it might be a

1050
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 8: young female teacher in town and not want to rent

1051
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 8: a house, or could afford a house, but can have

1052
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 8: a granny flat at the back of something.

1053
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: What's funny, isn't it, Because you know, I lived in

1054
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 2: Perth before I lived in the Northern Territory and there's

1055
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 2: so many triplex blocks. There's so many people that actually

1056
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 2: have those older blocks where they've got other you know,

1057
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 2: like other tendencies or other other smaller units on their block,

1058
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 2: whereas here in the Northern Territory we're like, nah, we

1059
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 2: want our big get out of space space if we're

1060
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 2: rural people.

1061
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 10: The reality is that you know, that is actually an

1062
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 10: option you would think, and it's probably not a bad

1063
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 10: option to look at in some locations, like you said

1064
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 10: in Catherine, and even in I want.

1065
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 9: To mention that boogie word, there's also Woodell that the

1066
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 9: minister could be looking to development a massive chunk of

1067
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 9: land down there with some infrastructure already.

1068
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: Well, look we've run out, Yes, get one, you.

1069
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 7: Go for what I think about costs of living, and

1070
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 7: I know that people definitely run across the territory is suffering.

1071
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 7: This is it's it's all over the place, and it

1072
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 7: is worth here than he is in other states. I

1073
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 7: can't help but think about our economy in the Northern

1074
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 7: Territory and the fact that we need to grow that economy.

1075
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 7: I mean, the government has the goal of the forty

1076
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 7: billion by twenty thirty. There was twelve major projects on

1077
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 7: the major projects just listen, they are.

1078
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 3: Sort of all falling over one at a time.

1079
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 7: I mean, it's it's so important that this government focuses

1080
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 7: on our economy, which then attracts the population, which then

1081
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 7: can help with our cost of living. And so far,

1082
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 7: you know, we've just seen none of that. It's just

1083
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 7: failure after failure.

1084
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 5: Those your lines. We absolutely have very much focused.

1085
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 8: I'm about to head to the Minerals Council lunch and

1086
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 8: there's a lot happening in that space, I can tell you.

1087
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 2: So we have run out of time. Marie Claire Booby

1088
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 2: from the COLP, thank you so much for your time this.

1089
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:29,720
Speaker 3: Morning, Katie.

1090
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 7: I just want to mention the rally, the crime rally

1091
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 7: for the community that's going to be Apartment House at

1092
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 7: four pm tomorrow. I really hope that EVA is going

1093
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 7: to be there this time. You said last time that

1094
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 7: it wasn't a place for you, and I think you know,

1095
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 7: to have some courage and show some real guts and

1096
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 7: go and you know, stand shouldered shoulder with territories and

1097
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 7: listen to what they've got to say about crime.

1098
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: Kathleen Gazzola from nine News Darwin, thank you. See you

1099
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: guys easier if youreck, Okay. I just want to do

1100
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: a shout out.

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Speaker 9: I know it's in Greek Orthodox Eastern this sure is,

1102
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 9: but it's also the Bhist on the Buddhist cal I

1103
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 9: don't really their new year. So all my Cambodian constituency

1104
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Speaker 9: Vietnamese out there, today's their special day for ceremony and

1105
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Speaker 9: over the weekend. So happy New Year to all those

1106
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:09,760
Speaker 9: people in the Buddhist community.

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Speaker 8: Good stuff, evil or yeah, well, yes, it's the mud

1108
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Speaker 8: racing on and the week after the rain last night.

1109
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Speaker 8: It'll be very muddy at the mud racing, but that's

1110
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Speaker 8: certainly yeah, call out to everybody to head to the

1111
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 8: mud racing.

1112
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Speaker 2: Well that is all we've got time for this morning.

1113
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Speaker 2: Stick around, though, plenty more coming your way on three

1114
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Speaker 2: point sixty after ten o'clock