1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: Now, if you were listening to the show yesterday, we 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: spoke about concerns that were being raised by bus drivers 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: and callers after what they said was a terrible weekend 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 1: on the public buses with anti social behavior. Now joining 5 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: us on the line to tell us a little bit 6 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: more about the situation is the Transport Workers Union's Northern 7 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: Territory Branch secretary Ian Smith. 8 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 2: Hi, Ian, good morning, Katie. How are you going? 9 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 1: Not too bad? 10 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 2: Ian? 11 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: Have you had concerns raised by drivers over the course 12 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: of the weekend. 13 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely, Look, we've got a situation that's in crisis. 14 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 2: And look, let's speak quite frank, Modern cities Lock Darwen 15 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 2: need a very effective public transport system. We have to 16 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 2: make sure that the congestion is building up capital cities 17 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 2: is not there on public transports vital in that. But 18 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 2: it also needs to be safe. And we've been having 19 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: ongoing dramas for quite some time now with anti social 20 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 2: behavior in Hindawen itself and starting getting it out of hand. 21 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 2: It particularly seems to be more more of a problem Thursday, Friday, 22 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,639 Speaker 2: Saturdays and Sundays. And you know, we've had some instance 23 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: accre over the weekend that are pretty unacceptable, and I 24 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 2: think every party in this, from our drivers right through 25 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 2: to the companies, right through to the government. I think 26 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 2: the general public we know it's unacceptable and we've got 27 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 2: to deal with it. 28 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: Ian. Can you take me through what some of those 29 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 1: examples were over the weekend or what had happened. 30 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: The one, the one that probably really raises my mic 31 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: and real concernsus a bus rather literally the afternoon on 32 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 2: a Sunday out in Parmiston. I think it might have 33 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: been round seventy's got some unruly passengers and inaviorated potentially 34 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 2: inebriated passengers out of control on the bus, and he 35 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 2: took the right step. He decided that the trip was 36 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 2: no longer safe to continue, so he called through to 37 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 2: the to the CDC operation step is my understanding, and said, 38 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 2: I'm returning the bus. This is not safe. I'm I'm 39 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 2: coming back to me that part, which is the right 40 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 2: plane of tact, expecting that. I think there might have 41 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 2: been some communication problems that CDC would call the appropriate 42 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 2: tsos and the police. And by the time he got there, 43 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 2: you know, I think it's fifteen to twenty minutes rice 44 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 2: from where he was to get back to their base 45 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: and they'd be able to either get you know, this 46 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 2: made sure the situation didn't evolve in anything else. And 47 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: he did that and he got back to the to 48 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: the to their base, and I didn't go into the 49 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 2: base and parked on the road. I was instructed, But 50 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 2: what was concerning that there was no TSO's police there. 51 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 2: But my understanding is I don't think they were notified. 52 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: Right the fleet controller and the driver managed to revert 53 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 2: the system and get the passengers off the bus well, 54 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: and I think that's just a breakdown lot. The driver 55 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 2: did the right thing. He's decided the trip wasn't safe 56 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 2: and he should have done what he did. 57 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: But so just a point like just to make it 58 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: really clear for our listeners. So he's essentially there's been 59 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: something go on the bus that he's felt unsafe and 60 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: it's been unsafe for passengers. He's tried to turn back, 61 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: he's tried to take the bus back and has but 62 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: then there was nobody there to be able to respond 63 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: to that incident when he got back. 64 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 2: There at the time. And look, the understanding I have 65 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: that that we might have failed not to report it 66 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 2: to the TSO's or the police until last of the 67 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 2: event had finished. I think maybe the fleet Control. I 68 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 2: thought they might have been out to fix it themselves 69 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 2: and make it which is lucky enough, but you know, 70 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 2: this is serious. When a driver makes that sort of decision, 71 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 2: we've got a serious incident. It needs to belt belt 72 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 2: were quickly and efficiently. Now, we've been working with the 73 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 2: anti government over the last couple of years, but more 74 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,119 Speaker 2: or less in the last twelve months, and we've been 75 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 2: out and we've seen the problems, and so it's some 76 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 2: minis have been out ill with us and seen the 77 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 2: issues that we have ot a network and we've been 78 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 2: working to come up with solution and there's some promising things. 79 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 2: But enough's enough. And I think we've got a real 80 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 2: issue now, especially on those nights, and I think we 81 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 2: need to get extra security in those designated areas. And 82 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 2: I think it's pretty well understood where they are and 83 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 2: let's put a stop to it. And how starting to 84 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 2: make the decision that they're not going to continue trips 85 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 2: and that's probably for their own safety. 86 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: Well it sounds way talk me through those some of 87 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: those safety concerns. I mean, you said obviously that there 88 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: was people engaged in anti social behavior in that instance, 89 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: for example, on the weekend on Sunday Avo, what are 90 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: people doing on the buses? 91 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: Well, well, people have apparent it's all allege that they're drunk, 92 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 2: some will be effected by the drugs and just generally 93 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 2: carrying on in an antisocial manner which is making it unsafe. Now, 94 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: we've got the security screens of the cages in in 95 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 2: most on all the buses and that gives some drivers 96 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 2: some protection but not enough. And we've been working with 97 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 2: the NT government and CDC to install full driver protection 98 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 2: safety screens but will give them better protection. And our 99 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: understanding is there's a couple of prototypes about to be 100 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 2: run out trial that's straight. But you know, those things 101 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 2: will help education. There's a whole range of things that 102 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 2: we need to to to to make this stop that 103 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 2: the first instance, we need to protect the drivers so 104 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 2: they can do their job safely. Extra TSO's extra police 105 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 2: and those problem areas is going to be an absolute 106 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 2: big help when we're calling on the Entry government to 107 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 2: do that and they know where they are, We know 108 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 2: the areas that problems are and prevention is better than 109 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 2: the cure. Yeah, so we're going to have a higher 110 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 2: presence of security, higher presence the police riding on the 111 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 2: odd bus or two that just you know, quells these 112 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 2: antisocial behavior problems. And we're going to see a marked difference. 113 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 2: And then the bigger picture is moving forward, we need 114 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 2: to put in full strains, We need to put in 115 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 2: proper education programs. It's not good enough. And as I said, 116 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 2: modern cities like daw are going to need to rely 117 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: on effective, safe public transport systems. And we've got an 118 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 2: effect this public transport system, but we have a safe 119 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 2: one and that's the concern, and people won't use it 120 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 2: until they know it. 121 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: So yeah, well this is the thing. Ian are our 122 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: drivers how are they feeling right now? I mean, are 123 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: they feeling safe enough to go to work? 124 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 2: In some cases, No, they're not. They're not feeling safe. Look, 125 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 2: and we're working as close as we can. We're pulling 126 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 2: out another survey and that's happening this week to get 127 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 2: actual feeling of the fleet again and where the feeling 128 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 2: is that. We're planning a safety rally in the next 129 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 2: few weeks weeks where we can actually highlight to those 130 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 2: that are in control how serious this is and how 131 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 2: much the drivers care care about the situation, and we 132 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 2: hope the general public also participate that when that happens, 133 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 2: so that we need to get it. So when's that happening, Well, 134 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 2: it'll been the next few weeks. We haven't said a day, 135 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 2: but we're calling we'll we'll be calling it. It'll probably 136 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 2: a Sunday morning for a short while, and we'll have 137 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 2: it somewhere in the CVD where we can have a 138 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 2: bit of a rally and show those that are empower 139 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,119 Speaker 2: the empower and and the bus companies that the public cares, 140 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: that drivers care, and we need to take get this 141 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 2: matter under control as for one and for good, because 142 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 2: it's not going to be too much down the track 143 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 2: until we've got a serious incident where a driver's injured. 144 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: We've got a bus that's running out of control down 145 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 2: the road, smashing into buildings and houses and god notes 146 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 2: whatever and something that we can't control. So we have 147 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 2: to take steps, that's our belief, to make sure that 148 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 2: we're listened to and the actions taken to alleviate these 149 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 2: sort of issues. 150 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, gee, I hope it doesn't get to that point 151 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: where there's a serious incident, you know, on one of 152 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 1: our buses. I just very quickly. Dave from Kaytown has 153 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: just asked, where are the transit officers? 154 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 2: Well, that's I think it's like all industries out there, 155 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 2: there's lack of numbers, but they have. We've had the 156 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 2: course that that they've got another couple about to come 157 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 2: straight on and it came from a letter that I 158 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 2: received yesterday. They're looking to put more on. Yeah, once 159 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 2: again the incident on Sunday. Our understanding is that they 160 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: weren't called until they incidents. I can't blame them from 161 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 2: this case on that particular incident, but they should be 162 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 2: out there. The drivers should be able to call them 163 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 2: and expect that they get the response. That was quiet 164 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 2: and sometimes that could be rapid. And I'll give an 165 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 2: example when we did do the ride along back in March, 166 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 2: when we all went out there, there was a call 167 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 2: for a rapid response and the transit officer's response was wonderful. 168 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 2: They came and they got on board, They alleviated the 169 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 2: situation and got it under control. We don't have enough 170 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 2: of day and that's the problem at the moment, and 171 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 2: we've got those Thursday, Friday and Saturday and Sunday nights 172 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 2: that are the real problems at the moment, what we 173 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 2: would see the best thing would be for the government 174 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 2: to employee or get onto security companies to get some 175 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 2: people immediately out there into the troubled areas so that 176 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 2: we can start to put some see some of these 177 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 2: incidents produced. 178 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'll be really interested to hear from our 179 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: listeners this morning. You know, if they do catch public 180 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: trainl sport and what it's been like for them. I 181 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: know that there's plenty of bus drivers that listen to 182 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: the show as well. And just very quickly before I 183 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: let you go, in terms of that incident on Sunday, 184 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: how many people were involved in this anti social behavior 185 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: on that bus. 186 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 2: I don't know the exact numbers, but there was quite 187 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 2: a few. Bus driver. This is what I'm for a 188 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 2: bus driver to actually take the take make the decision 189 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 2: that the reason unsafe. It's not one person, there's quite 190 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: a few. So he's got half a bus load of 191 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 2: a busload of passengers that are out of control. It's 192 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 2: not good to continue. He's made the right call. Now, 193 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 2: he's made the right call that it can't be continue. 194 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 2: It's not so I need number one protect myself, but 195 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 2: protect those that aren't involved in the rackers and get 196 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 2: the bus back to the to the main depot. 197 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: It's a big call. It's a big call for that driver. 198 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: I mean, does that happen very often? 199 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 2: That's the first occasion that we're aware of it that's 200 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 2: happened in this isn't But that's how that's how serious 201 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 2: drivers are starting to take it. And I'd probably like 202 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 2: to see more because they need to be they need 203 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 2: to be in a safe situation, they need to do 204 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 2: their job safely. And they said they need to support, 205 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 2: So what essence Once again, we're calling on you know 206 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 2: when these issues are wrong. We need to quick support. 207 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 2: When a driver is going to say a trip needs 208 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 2: to be a border, it's un say, we need a 209 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 2: quick response from those you know, the CSOs and the 210 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 2: Northern Territory Police, which I know are all under pressure. 211 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: Yes, and I'm. 212 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 2: Sure if we stick, when we stick our heads together 213 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 2: and work together, we can come up with a solution. I 214 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 2: want action quickly. We need to get these people that 215 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 2: don't wish to behave in a proper manner. Often after 216 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 2: buses are our the network and make sure that those 217 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 2: don't want to ride on it and use the network. 218 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: The great network that DA network we safely and be 219 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 2: confident to catch it at any time of the day. 220 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, well your spot on there. Ian Smith, the Transport 221 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: Workers Union Branch secretary for the Northern Territory, always appreciate 222 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: your time. Thank you very much for having a chat 223 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: with me this morning. Thanks cherdy, Thank you, and that 224 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: number if you do want to call through today if 225 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: you do catch the bus network eight nine four one 226 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: one O four nine and you want to let us 227 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: know how it's tracking. Maybe you happened to be on 228 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: the bus on Sunday when this all unfolded and you 229 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: want to call through eight nine four one one O 230 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: four nine. You can also send me a message if 231 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: you'd like to zero four double nine seven double one 232 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: three six zero. But to hear that this is well 233 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: from what he has said there, it's the first time 234 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: that they've been in a situation where they've had to 235 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: turn that bus back to the depot based on anti 236 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 1: social behavior of people on board that bus, and obviously 237 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: then the driver feeling incredibly unsafe and worried about the 238 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: passengers see other passengers on there. I'm assuming as well 239 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:48,959 Speaker 1: well take a really short break when we come back. 240 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: We are going to be talking a little bit more 241 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: about some of the strike action which is anticipated tomorrow. 242 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: Beverly Ratihi, who is the chair of one of the 243 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: Northern Territory schools, is going to have a bit of 244 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: a chat to me about some of their concerns.