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Speaker 1: One of the things that really really hacks me off

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Speaker 2: Welcome to How I Work, a show about the tactics

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Speaker 2: used by leading innovators to get so much out of

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Speaker 2: their day. I'm your host, doctor Amantha Imbat. I'm an

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Speaker 2: organizational psychologist, the founder of innovation consultancy Inventium, and I'm

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Speaker 2: obsessed with finding ways to optimize my work date. My

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Speaker 2: guest on today's show is Nigel Marsh. Nigel is the

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Speaker 2: host of the internationally acclaimed podcast Five of My Life,

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Speaker 2: the author of three books, Fat forty and five, Overworked,

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Speaker 2: Sidney Skinney. You might have seen Nigel's Ted talk on

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Speaker 2: work life balance. It's had over four million hits and

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Speaker 2: remains the most viewed talk ever given outside of America.

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Speaker 2: And outside of all of that, Nigel spent many many years.

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Speaker 2: It's very senior corporate roles, and that is how I

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Speaker 2: know Nigel because he was my CEO at advertising agency

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Speaker 2: Leo Burnett, which was the last role I had before

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Speaker 2: I started invent him twelve years ago. Now, I think

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Speaker 2: it's fair to say that this interview is unlike any

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Speaker 2: other that I have done. Nigel is like the anti

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Speaker 2: hero to the industry of productivity gurus and so forth. Basically,

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Speaker 2: Nigel thinks that advice is bullshit, and this is I

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Speaker 2: say that as a warning because he swears a lot,

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Speaker 2: so I'm just warming you up for a few swear

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Speaker 2: words in this interview. Now, ironically, despite the fact that

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Speaker 2: Nigel doesn't think that you should take advice from anyone,

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Speaker 2: especially him, I think there is actually some great advice

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Speaker 2: and insights in this podcast, and Nigel will probably hate

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Speaker 2: me saying that anyway, especially right at the end of

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Speaker 2: the episode he actually gave me the most awesome tip

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Speaker 2: which has completely changed my behavior. Now, aside from that,

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Speaker 2: we spend the first twenty minutes or so of this

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Speaker 2: interview talking about presentations, because Nigel is one of the

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Speaker 2: best speech givers I have ever met, and I think

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Speaker 2: that if in your line of work you give any

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Speaker 2: kind of presentations as part of what you do or

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Speaker 2: even as part of life. Nigel's view on how he

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Speaker 2: approaches these things is absolutely fascinating and also quite inspiring.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's fair to say that Nigel is

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Speaker 2: super contrariant in his views. And it's also incredibly hilarious.

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Speaker 2: I know that when I was editing this episode, I

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Speaker 2: found myself laughing out loud many times. So enjoy and remember,

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Speaker 2: don't take any of Nigel's advice because he would hate that.

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Speaker 2: So over to Nigel to hear about how he works. Nigel,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. Hello, it is good to be

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Speaker 2: chatting with you after so long after you were my

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Speaker 2: wonderful CEO at LEO Burnette.

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Speaker 1: So how long ago was that.

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Speaker 2: I started inventing twelve years ago, so it must have

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Speaker 2: been twelve years.

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Speaker 1: Got very happy memories at that time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you were, Like some of my most vivid memories

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Speaker 2: of you being CEO are in the speeches that all staff,

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Speaker 2: speeches that you would give, and they were always so inspiring.

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Speaker 2: And so I want to start there because I know

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I wish I could deny that. But

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Speaker 1: but there's a really important nuance in that is that's

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Speaker 1: So I'm the wrong person. Sometimes I get asked to

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Speaker 2: I want to know how you don't phone it in,

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Speaker 2: Like I'm literally I'm in an intense week this week

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Speaker 2: what does that look like? Never phoning in a speech?

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Speaker 1: Wow? How interesting is stubbornness? I suppose. So I had

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Speaker 1: That makes sense. So it's not how I earn my living,

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Speaker 1: So that's my going. Not old bloody hell. I'm doing

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Speaker 1: fifty five years on this planet to them. Does that

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Speaker 1: Now have you heard of General Patten? I don't know

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Speaker 1: in the nineteen forties, America, like many places, was deeply racist.

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Speaker 1: about we go back through the old wism it, whether

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Speaker 1: it's diet, oh gosh, you know, eat a bit less,

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Speaker 1: exercise a bit more. We sort of know the answer.

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Speaker 1: It's more interesting to know how to follow it, rather

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Speaker 1: than try and come up with the latest bollocks. You know,

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Speaker 1: aren't silver bullet that we all know? Isn't we all know?

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Speaker 1: It's not the silver bullet? I read old stuff and

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's what as the new that? Do you know?

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Speaker 1: Francois Duke de la Rocheforcau, the French philosopher Unbelievable. His

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Speaker 1: book maxims in sixteen six six hundred and forty one

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Speaker 1: pithy aphorisms that basically you don't need to read anything

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Speaker 1: else ever. Again, it's all been done. You know. Francois

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Speaker 1: had it taped. But one of the things he said

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Speaker 1: his sixty sixth maxism is a shrewd man, and he's

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Speaker 1: not talking in a gender way. He's talking human. In

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Speaker 1: sixteen sixty five you are allowed to say man and

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Speaker 1: mean human. So it's so yeah, a shrewd man has

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Speaker 1: to arrange his interests in order of importance and deal

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Speaker 1: with them one by one. But often our greed upsets

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Speaker 1: this order and makes us run after so many things

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Speaker 1: at once that through over anxiety to have the trivial,

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Speaker 1: we miss the most important. That's great, it's more than great.

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Speaker 1: It's sensational. You get a job done well. So I

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Speaker 1: don't really need to read whatever those books are with

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Speaker 1: fucking the title, you know, get fucked of, it's all

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Speaker 1: fucked or whatever. It give a fuck, And I don't

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Speaker 1: mind those things. But sweetheart, I get it. You're just

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Speaker 1: retreading what's probably been said in the nineteenth century and

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Speaker 1: the eighteenth and the sixteenth in the selm. And it's

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Speaker 1: good to get people to remind you of stuff, and

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Speaker 1: that's that's fine, but let's just stop chasing after the latest,

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean it's sort of And I know

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Speaker 1: some people have got to make a living by pretending

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Speaker 1: they're a business guru and they've discovered something new. And

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Speaker 1: who is the Jim Collins, who's you know, the brain

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Speaker 1: the size of a small African country. Fantastic And he's

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Speaker 1: written from good to great right, and it's the best

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Speaker 1: selling business book of all time. And I think he's

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Speaker 1: fab and the book is wonderful. And he's got tips

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Speaker 1: in there of how to run a successful company. And

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Speaker 1: two of them are I use this in my speech

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Speaker 1: sometimes two of them are higher great people and be persistent.

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Speaker 1: And I after lub and I ran the Leading Age,

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Speaker 1: which is like a strategy research you think, And I

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Speaker 1: asked my audiences, I say that story, and I say,

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Speaker 1: just share of hand because I'm interested as a researcher.

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Speaker 1: How many people here thought that two of the secrets

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Speaker 1: are running a successful business were hiring shiit people and

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Speaker 1: giving up quickly. And they all do what you're doing,

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Speaker 1: they all laugh. You bought the book for thirty five

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Speaker 1: dollars to be told, oh man, you're building a ventumine, right,

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Speaker 1: I reckon, should we hire ship people or great people?

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Speaker 1: And when you get to a problem, do you think

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Speaker 1: give up quickly or be persistent? I mean, come on, right,

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Speaker 1: So the dear Lord gave you a brain and you

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Speaker 1: were allowed to use it. And just because someone is

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Speaker 1: on stage or has written a book or is on

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Speaker 1: a podcast doesn't mean they aren't talking shit or really

485
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Speaker 1: obvious stuff. Does that make sense to them on this podcast?

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Speaker 1: Forgive me? Forgive me? So just a little bit of humility.

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Speaker 1: You know, it'll be nice if some people say, I'm

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Speaker 1: here to repackage some obvious shit in an entertaining way

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Speaker 1: that might help you get through September. I go, okay, well,

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Speaker 1: then that's all right. Give me the Hallmark card bullshit

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Speaker 1: motivational stuff. That great, rather than ooh, I'm here to

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Speaker 1: promote my latest book and my blog and this and

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Speaker 1: that and I'm and the e myth and purple cow

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Speaker 1: is Well, who's moved my cheese? Who gives the fuck?

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Speaker 1: I don't care who's moved your cheese? I what a

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Speaker 1: stupid title? And I gets it. You've got a stupid

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Speaker 1: title so you sell more books about you know, Purple Cow,

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Speaker 1: you know it's it's but this is not terrible. But

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Speaker 1: I love them all and they're all great, and we're

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Speaker 1: all trying the hardest we can in with what we've got.

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Speaker 1: So it's all starting to trask me out my bloody

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Speaker 1: speaking it is. I. I just want to try and

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Speaker 1: be authentic and and like I'm giving this conversation just

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Speaker 1: I just be on stage and you go, I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying I've got all the answers. I've done some things,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm fifty five, or run a few companies,

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Speaker 1: written a book, and for what it's worth, because you

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Speaker 1: asked me, I didn't force my way into your conference.

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Speaker 1: You asked me if I had come to it. So

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Speaker 1: I will give you the honor and the courtesy of

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Speaker 1: giving my very best, truthful thoughts on stuff.

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Speaker 2: I want to come back to those thirty thousand eighth.

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Speaker 1: Could you edit all that out? I have no idea

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Speaker 1: what I've said. Who if I'm insulted?

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Speaker 2: The answer is everyone. That's what's great about it.

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Speaker 1: Can we talk about my podcast?

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about your podcast? Because I was intending to.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I had some questions that I wanted to ask you about.

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Speaker 2: So to start with, like, you've got a great podcast

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Speaker 2: and you've got some great guests. How do you decide

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Speaker 2: who to have on the show.

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Speaker 1: Well, so it's called the five of My Life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe if you could describe the premise behind

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Speaker 2: the show if you like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, Timting, I was asked by a lovely media

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Speaker 1: company if I would do a podcast, and it would

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Speaker 1: be me, you know, crapping on for an hour. You're

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Speaker 1: an hour at night your market. You know, I just

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Speaker 1: haven't got I mean a no, I don't want to,

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Speaker 1: but be I haven't got the content. And I know

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Speaker 1: some people and again I'm very happy for them to

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Speaker 1: do that. They want to where the search for content

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Speaker 1: must ruin their life. Where you go, I've got to

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Speaker 1: fill an hour you know, tomorrow on my podcast. So

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Speaker 1: I'll throw a glass of water over you now so

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Speaker 1: we can have a fist fight. So when I can

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Speaker 1: then talk about you know you you you live your

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Speaker 1: life to create. It's not there's those those you know

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Speaker 1: we should be not being nasty to them. There's there's sad,

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Speaker 1: needy people on Instagram. Where you go, You're not that

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Speaker 1: isn't you on your bikini? Because you're on the beginning

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Speaker 1: you Ah, it's it's running your life rather than recording

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Speaker 1: your life. It's ah. And so I said, no, I

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Speaker 1: don't want to do that. I might have it. I

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Speaker 1: might do one podcast once for an hour, this one,

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Speaker 1: and that's it. I've got nothing else to say. Ever,

548
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Speaker 1: you're the only podcast I ever want to be on.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to hear another one. So anyway, so

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Speaker 1: I'm very flattered that they would ask. And I said,

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Speaker 1: but I've got an idea, and I think it's called

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Speaker 1: the five of my Life. Many of the media things

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Speaker 1: that I access do the same thing, which is fine.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely Again, I am genuinely happy for everyone else do

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Speaker 1: whatever they want. So when I am critical and mystys

556
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Speaker 1: i'm too judgmental, I don't mean to be. It is.

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Speaker 1: It's just it helps me be who I want to be.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to ever stop doing that. So lots

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Speaker 1: of interviews are rehashing people see B or they're about

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Speaker 1: a single issue, or they're selling the latest book nothing

561
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Speaker 1: wrong with that, or they are on the latest thing

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Speaker 1: that might be in that person's life. So I interviewed

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Speaker 1: one of the Master Chef judges not not not the

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Speaker 1: one that had a problem with his employees. But just

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Speaker 1: when I was interviewing the Pope of the problem with

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Speaker 1: his employees, I don't want to talk about that and

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Speaker 1: everyone else to Gondel, but you're an idiot. That's where

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Speaker 1: the downloads. I go, Yeah, but hello, Nigel Marsh, I

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Speaker 1: don't care. I've got an idea that's different to all

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Speaker 1: of those things, and it's just one. Don't be threatened.

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Speaker 1: It's just one little brand and podcast the fire of

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Speaker 1: my life in the overall media firm. It's not as

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Speaker 1: if you won't be able to read about Beyonce's butt lift,

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Speaker 1: or you know, go through Barack Obama's career or you know,

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Speaker 1: we've got that covered. We don't need. And then There'sre's

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Speaker 1: there's a rude phrase which is it's, you know, two

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Speaker 1: dicks on a couch, So it's it's Nigen his pals

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Speaker 1: having a chat, and you go, they did a fine,

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Speaker 1: But why we want listen to Nigel's fact when you

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Speaker 1: can listen to Alec Baldwin talking to his pals. He's

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Speaker 1: got more interesting powers than I've got. You know, it's bollocks, right,

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Speaker 1: So I wanted to set.

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Speaker 2: Up a.

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Speaker 1: Format where the format is all where I talk to notable, prominent,

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Speaker 1: interesting people with the device of getting them to talk

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Speaker 1: about five of their favorite things, and they have to

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Speaker 1: be a film, the book, a song, the place, possession,

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Speaker 1: and the vice. I mean there's about twenty five that

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Speaker 1: are on whatever is iTunes now and the device is

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Speaker 1: working well. I just n the chief Rabbi. Actually, I

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Speaker 1: had dinner last night with eight friends. Two of the

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Speaker 1: move actually happened to be in the congregation of Rabbi Camis,

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Speaker 1: who go my godarned. I've been in his congregation for

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Speaker 1: thirty years and I learned more about him listening to

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Speaker 1: your thirty five minute podcast than I have in the

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Speaker 1: last thirty years of being in his complication. Well he

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Speaker 1: got a course, you would, because when he's doing his thing,

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Speaker 1: he's not saying and this is my bedroom in Cino,

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Speaker 1: California when I was four, because he's being the rabbi. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So it's a device not to be comprehensive, not to

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Speaker 1: be People say, if I got Paul McCartney on which

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to, I won't ask him about the Beatles

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Speaker 1: unless one of his choices leads him to wanting to

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Speaker 1: talk about the Beatles, and I'll be unbelievably happy to

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Speaker 1: do a thirty five minute podcast where we never mentioned

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Speaker 1: the Beatles, and then some numb up will say, but

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Speaker 1: you didn't mention the Beatle? Well, is there something you

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Speaker 1: don't know? Have you missed all the other five million

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Speaker 1: interviews he's done about the big I'm trying to do

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Speaker 1: something different where you might know lots who's your favorite

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Speaker 1: personality name one Lyn Manuel Miranda, so you might know

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Speaker 1: lots and lots of notts about him, but you don't

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Speaker 1: know what his favorite song is. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: interview him about Hamilton because if no one else ever

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Speaker 1: was going to, then maybe I would, but I don't

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Speaker 1: want to. I want people to say, do you know

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Speaker 1: on top Gear with the lap that they do the

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Speaker 1: top gar It doesn't know a bit, but in it

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Speaker 1: that they get one of the devices. This is ages ago,

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Speaker 1: is they get people to race a car around a

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Speaker 1: lap and they time it, and they did every single

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Speaker 1: episode forever for thirty years or whatever it is. But

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Speaker 1: the thing that makes that clever is it's not Brand's hatch.

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Speaker 1: It's a race course track that's got sort of weeds

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Speaker 1: growing out of it that you haven't heard of. And

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Speaker 1: it's not in a Formula one race car or a Ferrari.

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Speaker 1: It's in a reasonably priced car. Whoever you are, whether

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Speaker 1: you're Lewis Hamilton who's the Formula one thing, or Tom

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Speaker 1: Cruise or barakham the format doesn't change. So if Oprah Winfrey,

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Speaker 1: if my agent said Oprahy wants to come on five

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Speaker 1: my Life, but by the way, for her, could it

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Speaker 1: be six of my life, You're going to get fucked.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I couldn't be more serious that. The answer

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Speaker 1: would be Anglo Saxon phrase, apply it to yourself to

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Speaker 1: stop wasting my time. If someone which someone did quite

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Speaker 1: high profile, said, actually, can I talk about a TV

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Speaker 1: series not a film? You go you so badly have

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Speaker 1: misjudged what I'm trying to do. The answer how many

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Speaker 1: ways can I say? Nine? Yet? Non? No? The format

640
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 1: is the format, and then what happens is you get

641
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Speaker 1: in the round. You get really interesting insights into people

642
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: that I don't want it to be instructional. I'm not

643
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: saying I love whatever it is, Tim Ferris or whoever

644
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Speaker 1: it is. The fairest wield as the old five tips

645
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 1: to be successful at breakfast and that's great, not what

646
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: I'm doing. Not what I'm doing, no tips to be successful.

647
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: It's just half an hour city chat about a film,

648
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: a song and things. And can it the thing that's inspired?

649
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: Even though it's my is we're doing that. It's working.

650
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: People want to come on, and we've had the Prime Minister,

651
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: the captain, the Wallaby's Olympic champions, the Rabbi, Charlie too,

652
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: Gladys Beagiculi and all. You know. It's great, right, But

653
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: is I've got a wonderful alternative stream that actually is

654
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: relevant to you and your audience where I do a

655
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: business to business version okay, which doesn't get onto iTunes,

656
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: where you've got the new CEO of Megacorp coming in

657
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: and her employees are terrified that she's going to fire everyone,

658
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: close the foundry, the shops or whatever else, and no

659
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: one knows that. So what do you normally do with

660
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: internal comms when you send the idiotic CV, the stupid

661
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: press relief five minutes with the ceo blah blah blah.

662
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: One of the things you can do, because I host

663
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: it is you can say and click on this link

664
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: to listen to Tiffany's five of My Life and they go, oh,

665
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: Tiffany talking about the five things she wants to do

666
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: to increase shareholder value. No, it's Tiffany's film, Tiffany's book.

667
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 1: So then when you are in the in the lift,

668
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: quaking with fear because the new CEO that's been flown

669
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: in from New York to Fiary one is sharing the

670
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: lift with you, and you don't know what to say,

671
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: you can actually say, that's interesting that you chose Roma.

672
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: I love that film. It humanizes the corporate space. And

673
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: I make no other than three of the business of

674
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Speaker 1: busion ones when you got a charge like a wounded bull,

675
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: but you I do it. It's only on your intranet

676
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: right where it rounds you out and it's self selecting. Right.

677
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: So if they say, oh, can you ask a question

678
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: about my marketing strategy, that would be fuck off, right,

679
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: It's it's you are answer. You're doing five of my

680
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 1: life five. My life is a brand. It doesn't change

681
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 1: when I die. I want my son to take over.

682
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: I'd want to do one of three weeks until I

683
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: die and then hand over to one of my kids

684
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: where it just becomes a thing where you go, oh,

685
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 1: I wonder what Barack Obama's five would be not I

686
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: want another two Dixon a counch talking about tell me

687
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: about how clav you are. I'll do the other interview

688
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: on another format, on another podcast, but that is five

689
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: of my life. So with the business people, you go wow,

690
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: so I can actually you're actually a human being. And

691
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: the idea, I'm going to get a five my life

692
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 1: in a second. But the idea is it's got to

693
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: lead each choice to five different areas. And the podcast

694
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: is I love the idea even though it's mine where

695
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: it's interesting learning about the thing. I've recept them very,

696
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: very seriously. But it's not about the choices. But the

697
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: thing is, I say to you, why did you choose that?

698
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: And if you say because I like it, you're a moron.

699
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: You're a more you're supposed to say because it reminds

700
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: me of my violent father or my shit marriage, or

701
00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: how much I love my daughter, or you know it's ace.

702
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: That's not supposed to be comprehensive. Just to get a

703
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,919
Speaker 1: little insight into the po Is that too much about

704
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: my podcast?

705
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 2: That is not? Because I.

706
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: Have you listened to any you haven't? Have you?

707
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 2: I have? I've listened to about all four or five episodes,

708
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 2: and I love it. I think it's such as it's

709
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 2: such a novel thing. Like I conpletely understand how you

710
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 2: feel about interview podcasts. It's something that bugs makes. Whenever

711
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: I'm researching a guest, I'll listen to their most recent

712
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 2: podcast interviews and they're always talking about the same thing,

713
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 2: and so I deliberately go, Okay, well that's what I'm

714
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 2: not gonna ask them about. Like I don't want to

715
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 2: hear about work life balance, Nigel, because you talk about

716
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 2: that all the time.

717
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: So can I say in return? Because i'm, you know, harsh,

718
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: judgmental earthworm that I am is you know, I'm here

719
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: because we used to work together and I think you're

720
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: great and blah blah blah. But I'm not really a

721
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: podcasting person or a business self healthy person. So I've

722
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: listened to two of yours, and on both occasions when

723
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: I pressed play, I thought, oh God, here we go up.

724
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: But I do this but I love them both, so

725
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: so you know, I should maybe take the stick out

726
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: my eye is you know, I think what you do

727
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: is fantastic. Ones I listen to is with your Mate

728
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: County Owner. Yeah, it's a brilliant, and then I listened

729
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 1: to the Julian Morrow one. So you're very good. You're

730
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: very good at what you do. But but again I

731
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 1: apologize because whenever it's cool, you're not getting much tips

732
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: on how I work.

733
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 2: And some if you want no, no, no, it's great.

734
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 2: I think it's very refreshing, you know. And look, I'm

735
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 2: always pleasantly surprised in terms of what people say about

736
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 2: their working lives on the show, Like people that I

737
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 2: would have thought would have some you know, nine step

738
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 2: morning ritual don't, and that's actually quite refreshing. People who

739
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 2: I think would maybe be off female until lunch, like

740
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 2: I frequently am the checking your first thing in the morning,

741
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: and that's always quite refreshing to hear. I want to ask, like,

742
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 2: what goes into preparation for a podcast interview for you,

743
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: because they're very they're just they're so fluid and seamless,

744
00:39:59,200 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 2: like the.

745
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: Way they can can I go back to think you

746
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: just said, because I think we can unlock something here

747
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: is I think there's a real problem with people wanting

748
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: a advice in any area of their life, but in

749
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: particular with sort of working where there's there's two mistakes

750
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: one they look at a daily thing, which may be

751
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: the wrong for certain people. Daily schedule, great, you're a

752
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: multimillion hour you in charge of your life. You can

753
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: do what you want. That's great, and you know how

754
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 1: I mention, get up at five and you're in control

755
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: your life. But the other thing is people thinking that

756
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: it's transferable. So I think there's real merit in hearing

757
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: how people work that might work for them. With all

758
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: these flashing light caveats, I love what you say about

759
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: your morning email. I'm thrilled if it works for you,

760
00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: full stop. I wouldn't advise anyone, including your listeners, to

761
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: have your email strategy unless it were for them. I mean,

762
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: it's the stupidest thing I've ever I mean, you don't

763
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,959
Speaker 1: know them. They might be having sex in the morning

764
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: or taking the dog for a walk, or they might

765
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: be their circadian rhythms might be different. You know, it's

766
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 1: at the height of arrogance to suggest that that those

767
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: tips work for other people. And one of the it's

768
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: likely One of the little aphorisms I like is those

769
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: ten words. If it is to be, it's up to me,

770
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: you work out, take responsibility yourself and work out what

771
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: works for you, read and listen to lots of stuff

772
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: and then feel free to ignore it all. I don't

773
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: care if Arion Affington does this, or Richard Branson does that,

774
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: or Steve Jobs did this. Who cares? They were them?

775
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: What works for you? Get up at four in the morning,

776
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 1: drink lots of whiskey, eat McDonald you know, do whatever

777
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: you want. If there isn't people are looking for, especially

778
00:41:55,880 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: to idiots in the media, to ape other people's lives. A.

779
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: They're lying. B it's Victor's wisdom. Does it make sense?

780
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: I've forgotten what the question was. What was the question?

781
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 2: The question was, how do you prepare for your podcast?

782
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: Okay, so it's all. The great thing is because it's

783
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: not me crapping on like I am. Now, can you

784
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: imagine what a disaster my podcast would be if I said, yes,

785
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: I'll do an hour everywhere? He shut you off, take

786
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: that podcast away, So now give me five. So that

787
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: the great thing is because it's entirely based around my guests.

788
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: And I'm sure I talk far too much because I

789
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: can't help myself. Is it's I take They have to

790
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: tell me their choices at least a week in advance,

791
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: and I researched the hell out of them, and then

792
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: I researched the hell out of the person.

793
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 2: And then I sit and how do you research the

794
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 2: hell out of a person? Oh?

795
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, dr Google, it's the start, and then you

796
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: go down the rabbit hole, right, And then I asked God.

797
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: And it's getting better at it. I'm learning, how only

798
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: of these have you done? Ten thousand?

799
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: A lot? I think I've I don't know, ninety episodes,

800
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 2: but about a third of those three interviews.

801
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So I'm sort of learning as I go

802
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: how to get the best out of them. And in

803
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: the main, I think the differential differentiation is in my

804
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 1: pre briefing. So I've just done love you, lady, Ronnie

805
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: can't the CEO of Olds Harvest, And you think, gosh,

806
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: how arrogant of me to think that people are going

807
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: to get my idea. I get it in my mind.

808
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: I'm very passionate about it, and I get it and

809
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,439
Speaker 1: I know exactly what it is and what it isn't.

810
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: But most people, they just turn up to interviews and

811
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: you know, what are you gonna ask me? So it's

812
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: about me priming them to help them. So when I say,

813
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: why did you choose that song because I like it.

814
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: It's got a good guitar, So you go, fuck, no,

815
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: I want you to say it reminds me of my

816
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: third divorce. Can say do you have problem sustaining an

817
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: intimate long term relationship? And they go, yeah, maybe you know.

818
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: Asher guns By cried when I interviewed them. It's beautiful, right,

819
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 1: but you so like I mean, I should have prepared better.

820
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 1: But if if if you and I, maybe it would

821
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: be worse than that. But this is different because it's

822
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: a conversation. But but if if you don't know a Nigel,

823
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 1: I'm really going to want to talk to you about gardening, well,

824
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: then I have thought about what my views on gardening were.

825
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: You wouldn't catch me cold, and then I'd go blur, blurt,

826
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? So I pour my energy. Hey,

827
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: I do my research into the things and into them

828
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: and think of questions that I want to ask. But

829
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: also I pre vet their areas, so you go, well, listen,

830
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: Lane Beach really lovely. You know, all five of them

831
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: seem to be leading to you crapping on about being

832
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: the world's best surfer, which is fantastic, but but but

833
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: on this show you can do it for a fifth

834
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,439
Speaker 1: of the time and go, oh, brilliant, thanks for telling.

835
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: So I'll make that one lead to something. Yeah, exactly,

836
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: that's what this is about. So it's to shepherd them

837
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: towards them, and it's that they curate the areas of

838
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: their life that we're into expos So I'm not going

839
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: to say so if I got that there is a

840
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: scandal where you were caught in bed with the sheep, right,

841
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm not mentioning it unless you say, my song reminds

842
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: me of that embarrassing time about the sheep, Like, I'll

843
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: tell me about that. Then did a little bit right,

844
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: So it gives them once they it's so lovely when

845
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: the talent gets it, which they are the last I

846
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: mean all of them have been lovely, but increase the

847
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: last ten. It's wonderful where they get it. You go,

848
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,959
Speaker 1: this is not you to come on and promote your book.

849
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: It will help you promote your book if it comes

850
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: out at the right time, but it's not. It's not

851
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: you to just rehash the I did this and I

852
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: did that. It's for you to tell five really interesting stories.

853
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 1: So it's preparing doing my work, honoring them by doing

854
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: my work, my homework properly, but then preparing them when

855
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: you go. Do you know what? I'm not so sure.

856
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 2: That's great. I like that you do a pre briefing.

857
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 2: I've never done that. We guess I've noticed, and now

858
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 2: it's got me thinking maybe I should be doing that.

859
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 2: I think part of me feels like, oh gosh, would

860
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 2: they give me the time? Would they give me that

861
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 2: extra chunk of time? They're already giving me so much.

862
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 2: It's like this imposter syndrome.

863
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: So can I say A, it's been really nice talking

864
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: to you, so thank you for everyvite. This really has

865
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: been nice to do. It is I think you're right,

866
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 1: And I've turned down two quite you know, famous people

867
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: who said they would come on, but then it was

868
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: clear they wouldn't do the work in advance. So it

869
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: is an you know, it is to choose five things,

870
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: but that is an extra thing. Many of the people

871
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 1: who you will be interviewing will you know, running around

872
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 1: busy lives and in their diary. Where you fit is

873
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 1: I will give you that hour. And because if you

874
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: are doing the normal not not you, but one. If

875
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: one is doing the normal thing, that's fine. So if

876
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: I'm interviewing Charlie Teo. Normally we just got to turn up.

877
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 1: He hasn't got to prepare someone asking about brain surgeon

878
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: and off you go.

879
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

880
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 1: Whereas for mine, you have to prepare because I'll say

881
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: what's your favorite song? And you well, you better be interesting, mate.

882
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: You can appear to be like a dull idiot. You

883
00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: have to think about it. So you're right, but that

884
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you can't selectively do it. So for me,

885
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: I won't. I refuse to have them on if you don't,

886
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: if it's not sent a week of arms, we can

887
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 1: do it. And I'm desperate to tell you a couple

888
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: of names because you might think I'm an idiot because

889
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: you go yeah, But that would really help. That would

890
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: that would break you through to the big time you.

891
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: I don't want the I've had stuff that the Lovely

892
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: Company I do it with that they wanted to pee on,

893
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: and I don't want to be on this. It's not

894
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,240
Speaker 1: about sensational headline. I don't. I don't want to headline.

895
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: I want an interesting thirty five minutes. So what you

896
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: could potentially do is you call people up and then

897
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: see if they have got the appetite for and if

898
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: they haven't, that's fine, carry on as as normal. Yeah,

899
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: but if they have, you go. Do you know what

900
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: I was wondering, if you could spare you half an

901
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: hour on the phone whatever? And why am I giving

902
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: you advice you should give me?

903
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 2: That's right, that's awesome. Hello there, it's ameda's sorry to

904
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 2: interrupt the interview, but I want to introduce the very

905
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 2: last thing, the last tip that Nigel talks about, which

906
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 2: we actually recorded after the interview had ended. So we'd

907
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: wrapped the interview and then Nigel said to me, oh,

908
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 2: hang on, I've actually got one tip that I prepared

909
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: for this interview that I'd love to share. So I

910
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 2: hit the record button again and this is the last

911
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 2: tip that he gave me after the interview had ended,

912
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: and my goodness, it's awesome. It completely changed my behavior.

913
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 2: So on that note, let's hear Nigel's one tip that

914
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 2: he prepared for this interview. Tell me you're one tip.

915
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: It works for me, and I absolutely don't recommend anyone

916
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 1: else does it, so in the spirit of it works

917
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: for me. So I have chosen one form of electronic

918
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: communication to be on top of and that's my email.

919
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: You mentioned. The thirty thousand emails I have replied to

920
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: every single one is if you send me an email,

921
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 1: I read it, I respond job done. If you look

922
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 1: look at me like I've been in this for an hour,

923
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: so I've probably got twenty emails, but trust me, tonight

924
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: when I go to bed, I'll have not emails. So

925
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: if you're in Nigel Marsh's email stream, it is ferociously efficient.

926
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,720
Speaker 1: It just is. I am Olympic champion at the emails.

927
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:35,760
Speaker 1: If you send me a Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, LinkedIn, whatever

928
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: they are, and I have to be on all these

929
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: rubbishy things for they're not rubbishly, they're lovely, all these

930
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: things because my publisher and podcaster and novere else want

931
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: me to be because I you know, I do it

932
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: a few things. I will never read it. I might

933
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: read it eighteen months late and not more important than that,

934
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: I won't worry about it. That makes sense. I'm not

935
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 1: go oh gosh, I might have LinkedIn middle I might

936
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: see it by coincidence. It's entirely random. I might be

937
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 1: having to post about my latest podcast, and when I

938
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,439
Speaker 1: do that, I then have to see whatever. The one's

939
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: above the one that you know, so you will completely

940
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: randomly get a response. But in my life, and you know,

941
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: we have to be selective. We're over entertained, we're over educated,

942
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: we're over informed. You have to, we don't have to.

943
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 2: I do.

944
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: Don't do what I do, don't do what I say,

945
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: Do whatever you want, right? But is I have made

946
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: the choice? I'm going to be selective. My head is

947
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: too small, my brain is too full to be across

948
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: all those different medium So the one thing I can say,

949
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 1: and I say this in speeches, I reply to all

950
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: my emails. If anyone here has emailed me and they

951
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: haven't reply, stand up now and call me out as

952
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: a as a liar, because I know no one can

953
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: because I'd reply to them. But if you want to

954
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 1: get hold of me and you facebook me, you're an

955
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: idiot because I just not go to I've just chosen

956
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: not to care, just like I don't you know, I

957
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 1: don't sit in the park across the road and monitor

958
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: the conversation so that you know there are lots of conversations.

959
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: I'm very happy not to be in.

960
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 2: Wow, So you respond to every even that blows my mind?

961
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: Why it's just courtesy, isn't it? I don't know.

962
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 2: Like someone someone gave me the advice at once that

963
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 2: if someone hasn't been thoughtful enough with their email to you,

964
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 2: because like I imagine, we're both giving people email as go, oh,

965
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 2: can I just have a coffee? Pick your brain over coffee? Right,

966
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 2: typical request, and if they haven't, like firstly, if it's

967
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 2: auto corrected to Amanda not Amantha that frequently happens, they

968
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 2: will get no reply. But equally if they just haven't

969
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 2: done their homework, or if it's a generic request, I

970
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 2: kind of go, you've put so little time into this request.

971
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 2: I'm going to put zero time into responding.

972
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: I am going to blow your mind by being a contrarian.

973
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: One of the things that really really hacks me off

974
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: is people not responding to emails because they I don't

975
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: know if it's not Australian you you you tell me

976
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: I don't see Australian thing or just a business thing

977
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: because they think that is a clear no. And what

978
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: I do is I give the no. So here we go, right,

979
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: this is really so you need to rebuild me. So

980
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: what I will do, and you're right, I get lots

981
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: of requests to you know, it's hilarious do things for

982
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: free for other people. Love to do your conference, Yes,

983
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: I would like to mean you've afee and I do

984
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 1: actually do lots of film. I try to be nice

985
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 1: and blo blah, but you get lots of those things.

986
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: And if you've got you know, you're running inventum. You've

987
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: got things on your hands. So if someone says, you know,

988
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: great news, I'm doing a dissertation at UNI, I'd like

989
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: five hours of your time. And it's like a ludicrously

990
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: naive it's quite rude way you like I say, Amantha,

991
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 1: could you wash my car? Is it is actually a

992
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: little bit dirty? Could you this afternoon? Just give me

993
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: over to Bronzie and watch my car? And well, what

994
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: a ludicrous request. But when I think my moral behavior

995
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: manners bar has been set where I will give you

996
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: the no, I think the silence is insulting and people

997
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: are fucking cowards where you should say and it taughens

998
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: you up. So I got asked. I've mean asked to

999
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: be on three podcasts recently, and I've said no to

1000
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: all of them, right because I don't. I don't do this.

1001
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, I'd love this conversation, but I

1002
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: don't why would I, I mean, do it because I

1003
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: like you. So if I think, go you know, you know,

1004
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: I mean, let's make the name up Olie. You know,

1005
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: ask me to be honest podcast because the podcast and

1006
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: you go, well, I don't want to be Why would

1007
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: I want to have to spend an hour I could

1008
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: be doing a speech and earning fifteen grand and you know,

1009
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: I know why it would help you, but why would

1010
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: it help me? And you know wash my car? So

1011
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: you go, So what I could do? Alah, Amantha, it's

1012
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: just not bloody reply your rude cow right. So what

1013
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: I do is right back and say no, thank you.

1014
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 2: How do you do that? In like, do you have

1015
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 2: a go to your lot? I don't know if that's

1016
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 2: a stupid question, but do you have a go to?

1017
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 2: This is inspiring to change my.

1018
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: Advice. We're getting to the advice put you. So what

1019
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: you do this take notes is so all egos. I'd

1020
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: like you know, blah blah blah. I love you to

1021
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: you'll follow your work, you know, whether they say to you,

1022
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 1: you know, loving Benjim and you know I would love

1023
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: you to be on my podcast. By the way, could

1024
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: you read this one hundred page? Could you do are

1025
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: you're available tomorrow at two anyway, and so I try

1026
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: to like with the you know, all the emails is

1027
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 1: honor them even noticing that I exist on the planet.

1028
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: So you go, you know, thank you for your email, Tiffany.

1029
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: You know, I'm thrilled that you enjoyed you know, the

1030
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: book called the podcast order whatever, and it's all authentic.

1031
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: So you know, thank you for your email. And I

1032
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: am believed that you liked the book orth that whatever

1033
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: made you want to I'll pass on this occasion very

1034
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: best wishes with you know, your podcast conference that warm

1035
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 1: regards Nigel. Now, what can they then say if they

1036
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: then call back and say, listen, you fuck with I

1037
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: wanted you for free to give me three hours of

1038
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: your highly valuable time to do something just for me.

1039
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: I would be perfect if I'd say why, I mean,

1040
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 1: but because why why would I do that? Right? But

1041
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: no one ever does because you've asked me. But people

1042
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: feel I get it. I'm British, I'm repressed, I've got

1043
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: all these problems. It is. I'll do anything to avoid

1044
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: the authentic, elegant firm No, and I'm here to save

1045
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: your soul. Lamantha, you need to start being ruder and

1046
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,479
Speaker 1: to all those people who ask you politely so because

1047
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: you guess what happens. In some cases it might just

1048
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 1: be five percent, but if you had thirty thousand emails,

1049
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: that actually adds up to quite a lot. You've established

1050
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: a connection sold to soul. You've been nice, you've been honest,

1051
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: and something then changes in his or my life that

1052
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 1: means you end up.

1053
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 2: You go.

1054
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: Do you know what I wrote to you in twenty

1055
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: eleven and asked you if you do X? And you

1056
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: said no? And then here we are doing a little

1057
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:40,280
Speaker 1: It's wonderful where you know? So it doesn't it's not rude.

1058
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: It's ruder to not.

1059
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 2: Reply ignor it. Oh my goodness, this is I'm changed.

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Speaker 2: Like if anyone is listening to this interview right now,

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Speaker 2: which they are, Nigel, they if you send me an email,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to reply. I might politely decline, but I'm

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Speaker 2: sorry going to reply. You've changed me. This is great,

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Speaker 2: This is great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how I work, Nigel mush.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I have to wrap it up. God,

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Speaker 2: I could keep talking to you, Nigel, but you need

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Speaker 2: to go record your own podcast, which I'll obviously link

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Speaker 2: to in the show notes. Final question If people want

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Speaker 2: to consume more Nigel, how and where can they do that?

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Speaker 1: Consume more? Nig Oh? I mean that they they've got

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Speaker 1: they should have other things to do with their life.

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Speaker 1: But if they are looking for a thought provoking, entertaining,

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Speaker 1: different piece of content for when they're walking to work

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Speaker 1: or on the train or you know, cooking a meal

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Speaker 1: or whatever else, I'd love them to just to check

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Speaker 1: out five of my life. It's you know, it's do

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Speaker 1: you do a podcast?

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Speaker 2: Do you?

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Speaker 1: And then if they want to read my books, but

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Speaker 1: then then there's something when I do my speeches, and

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Speaker 1: this drives my publisher up the wall. I refuse to

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Speaker 1: sell my books. I don't. I don't take them. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I'm refused. So I'll take one to give to

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Speaker 1: the nice person who hired me. If they don't want it,

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Speaker 1: you don't take it away, then I'll give it to

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Speaker 1: someone in the audience who, you know, ask a nice

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Speaker 1: question or something.

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Speaker 2: And so.

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Speaker 1: You don't consume more, Nigel. Just have a nice, happy life,

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Speaker 1: and and you know, thank you for having me on.

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Speaker 1: And I can't believe that you'll want this on how

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Speaker 1: I work, because don't work? I love it.

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Speaker 2: You're like the anti hero, aren't you well, Nigel? Thank you,

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Speaker 2: it's been a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Hello there, That is it for today's show. I hope

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Speaker 2: you liked my chat with Nigel. I hope it brought

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Speaker 2: a smile or a laugh your face, and that you

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Speaker 2: actually got some stuff out of it that you might

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Speaker 2: think about using. If you enjoyed the episode, why not

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Speaker 2: share it with those who you think would also enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: And if you have a spare five seconds today, I

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Speaker 2: love it if you can leave a review for the

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Speaker 2: podcast in Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to this.

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Speaker 2: It's awesome getting feedback from listeners, and also leaving reviews

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Speaker 2: helps other people find the podcast. So that's it for

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Speaker 2: today and I'll see you next time.