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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Selena, Good.

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Speaker 3: Morning Katy, Good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 2: Good to have you on the show. Selena.

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Speaker 1: Was it a unanimous decision for you to become the

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Speaker 3: Yes, Katie, I've had the support of the caucus to

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Speaker 1: Katie and Doran Young is the member for Daily and

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Speaker 1: And you know, I've no doubt that a meeting had

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Speaker 1: I mean, how are the members, So the five of

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Speaker 3: We're all hard workers, we've got that experience of parliament

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Speaker 3: just not fair when you're talking about voter equality, so

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Speaker 3: first language voting resources. If we don't have that, Katie,

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Speaker 3: then you know there's also a layer of inequity in

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Speaker 3: we have those clear resources, and we just don't, Katie.

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Speaker 3: We never have, and you know, I hope that we do,

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Speaker 3: but it'd be great to see the CLP also advocates

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Speaker 1: Selena, You've got a big job on your hands as

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Speaker 1: to be your first steps now? And you know, how

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Speaker 1: do you rebuild the Labor Party after the loss that

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Speaker 1: we saw. I mean, I know the COLP had to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Katie, I think first steps obviously that checking of

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Speaker 3: the chicking in of the around the changes and what

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Speaker 3: is it that people have clearly articulated through the results

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Speaker 3: of the territory election. Rebuilding the party, reconnecting across all

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Speaker 3: role I think will be really important as we move forward,

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Speaker 3: we can continue to advocate the Territorians. We want to

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Speaker 3: be constructive. Like I said, Katie, we don't want to

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Speaker 3: things are better for the territory. Territory in are better off.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like that's what the former opposition did,

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Speaker 3: I feel there was there was negative It'll be interesting

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Speaker 3: to see what narratives change now in government. Obviously in

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Speaker 3: government you have more resources, you know, a lot more

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Speaker 3: You've got a clear agenda and priority to be able

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Speaker 3: And we'll just keep the very close eye on that, Katie.

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Speaker 3: But I think, well, you know, with some of the

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Speaker 3: negative of around the territory, it will be very interesting

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Speaker 3: particular members who were in the previous term of the

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Speaker 3: their narrative will change now that they're in government or

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Speaker 3: will it not. So I'm just very interested to see

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Speaker 1: Well, Seleia Ubo, congratulations on becoming the Opposition leader.

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Speaker 2: No doubt we'll be talking to you a lot more often.

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Speaker 1: There is you know, there's no shortage of things to

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Speaker 1: discuss around the Northern Territory always.

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Speaker 2: We really appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 3: Thank you Katie very much, looking forward to more conversations,

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Speaker 3: and thanks to your listeners.