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Speaker 1: Jersey and Amanda jam Nation.

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Speaker 2: The newspapers are dominated over the weekend. The Greens are

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Speaker 2: now demanding police release the body camera footage of the

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Speaker 2: moments leading up to when Claire, the ninety five year

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Speaker 2: old dementia patient was tasered.

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Speaker 3: Has that footage not been released so.

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Speaker 2: David Shuebridge from the Greens said the footage should be

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Speaker 2: made available as long as her family is a considerate

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Speaker 2: of course, which makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Why are the police holding onto it?

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Speaker 1: Apartment looks incredibly bad.

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Speaker 3: If she had a steak knife, But a steak knife

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Speaker 3: in an old person's facility is not a giant carving knife.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever dealt with someone with dementia just in

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Speaker 2: the running of your day to day life. I remember

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Speaker 2: years ago my dad had this van. The toy had

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Speaker 2: a highest van and a made of mind. We're putting

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Speaker 2: a new engine in it, and so we're just in

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Speaker 2: Dad's driveway. We're putting the engine in and we've got

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Speaker 2: our heads down in the engine bay and then I

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Speaker 2: look around at this this old lady sitting in the

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Speaker 2: van and I said hello, I said, is this the

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Speaker 2: buster to carrying bar? And I went no, no, what's

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Speaker 2: not And dean, ma mate, that's tell him in the

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Speaker 2: engine he has where she come from? Us?

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Speaker 1: I got no idea, so I went inside.

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Speaker 2: I said, Dad, there's this old lady sitting in the

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Speaker 2: van and he has, oh, you know, might have come

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Speaker 2: from the old fox home around the corner.

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Speaker 1: So he comes out and he.

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Speaker 2: Goes, hello, I Love, how are you is this? The

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Speaker 2: bus came bay, Well, let's go and see if you

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Speaker 2: can get you in that bus. But like, she didn't

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Speaker 2: have a knife or anything. But what I'm saying is

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Speaker 2: we managed to deal with it. I was like an

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Speaker 2: eighteen year old kid. It just seems odd to me

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Speaker 2: that you've got an old lady in a walking frame

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Speaker 2: going along.

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Speaker 1: At a very slow rate.

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Speaker 2: At what point do we get to where the people

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Speaker 2: at the nursing home can't deal with this and the

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Speaker 2: cops can't deal with this?

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Speaker 3: Having said that, dementia takes other forms too, of course,

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Speaker 3: and she may have been having an episode that is

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Speaker 3: more more violent than someone sitting quietly in the van.

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Speaker 3: But we don't know. You don't know, but you can't

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Speaker 3: imagine that in a facility like that, they don't know

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Speaker 3: how to deal.

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Speaker 1: That's what I mean.

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Speaker 2: How do we get to this point. Yeah, now after

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Speaker 2: Gorman's teen of nineteen eighty seven can work.

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Speaker 1: Out how to deal with an old lady sitting in

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Speaker 1: the back of a van.

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Speaker 3: Do the police have a right to keep that footage private?

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Speaker 3: Obviously they would say we're needing to protect police procedure.

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Speaker 3: But also it's not going to look good, is it.

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Speaker 1: No, it's going to be terrible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But do we have a right to see it?

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Speaker 3: I would imagine we do, because if we need to

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Speaker 3: look at how policing works, there's a lot of lessons

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Speaker 3: to be learned here.

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Speaker 1: This is something that's just not going to go away.

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Speaker 2: Your grand muster, don't get tased, you don't taser. It's

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Speaker 2: not like Zmalian gang running it towards the cop when

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Speaker 2: the knife. It's like an old lady with a walking

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Speaker 2: frame and a knife.

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Speaker 3: I just think, of course, no one thinks that that

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Speaker 3: made sense.

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Speaker 2: How do you feel about the footage being released?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think we should see it. But how do

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Speaker 3: the police normally release this footage? Is this unlike the

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Speaker 3: police to not do they normally protect their footage? I

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Speaker 3: don't know what procedure is.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like pub test material.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean, who would who would think that

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Speaker 3: we shouldn't see it. Well, maybe you're a police officer

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Speaker 3: and you think we shouldn't see it.

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Speaker 2: Well maybe it stops their their processes and things like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as a learning tool for police officers, they at

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Speaker 3: least you know, the police academy need to see it.

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Speaker 1: It don't taste the old grannies.

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Speaker 3: It is an extraordinary story and it is in an

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Speaker 3: alarming story.

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Speaker 1: It's a blanket or something.

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Speaker 3: I know, what are our training what what are we

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Speaker 3: training our police officers to do? If this is the result,

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Speaker 3: it's nineteen to seven. Here, our producers pull on the screen.

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Speaker 3: They do release the footage. They have released lots of

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Speaker 3: other footage when it supports their claims.

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Speaker 1: Obviously this one looks bad.