WEBVTT - Difference Between A Dietitian And A Nutritionist. What Should Really Be Considered A Treat. How Much Salt Should You Be Eating. 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:03.600 Where do you get your nutrition information from? From your doctor, 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:06.520 from a dietitian, maybe it's from the Nutrition Couch, or 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:09.400 maybe it's from a nutritionist or a health coach online. 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:12.320 The thing with nutrition is there's a wide range and 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:15.720 varying degrees and lots and lots of experts out there. 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:18.200 So today on the Nutrition Couch, where can I share 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:20.840 with you who you should really be listening to and 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:25.040 what the differences are between the different types of qualifications. Hi, 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:25.919 I'm Leanne. 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:27.480 Ward and I'm Suzyburrow, And. 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:29.680 Every week we bring you The Nutrition Couch, the bi 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:32.200 weekly podcast that keeps you up to date on everything 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:34.040 that you need to know in the world of nutrition, 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:37.440 so as well as nutrition and health qualifications. Today we're 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:40.400 going to take a closer look at what really is 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:44.040 a treat and our listener question today is all about 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:46.600 salt and how much should we really be having. But 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:48.720 to kick us off today, Susie, we have a very 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:52.519 ilways say, somewhat controversial topic to talk about the difference 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:56.000 between a nutritionist and a dietitian and I guess. Our 0:00:56.080 --> 0:01:00.920 concern is that the nutrition I guess word or qualification 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:04.160 is largely unregulated in Australia and in many parts of 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:07.800 the world. So the term dietitian is highly regulated. If 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:10.400 somebody is calling themselfs a dietitian, they've gone through a 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:13.520 minimum of four years of a science based degree, They've 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:17.520 done multiple practical placements under a supervision in hospital. They 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:20.640 have the science and the clinical practice behind them. That's 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:24.200 a dietitian. The qualification itself is very tightly regulated and 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:26.319 they are the only people that can work within a 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:29.200 hospital setting in Australia as well. Now, when it comes 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:32.480 to nutrition, anybody can call themselves of a nutritionists. My 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:35.080 neighbor could literally start an Instagram page and be like, 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:37.600 I'm a health nutritionist, come and follow me, pay me 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:41.440 for my plans. It's appalling, it's scary. Anybody can call 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:44.080 themselves a health coach. Anybody can call themselves a health blogger. 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:46.360 Anybody that can call themselves a weight loss expert. There 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:50.400 is zero regulation within the field within Australia, but in 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:53.240 many parts of the world as well, So that's the 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:56.520 scariest part, Susie. But then we've also got some perfectly 0:01:56.680 --> 0:02:00.680 wonderful professionals that are registered nutritists that do have university 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:04.200 and science degrees within nutrition. So it's very, very difficult 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:07.440 to pull these two terms apart. But I thought that 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:09.720 I would first start off with I guess the main 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:13.160 difference between most nutritionists and most dietitians. And when I 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:16.720 say nutritionists, I'm really talking about the properly qualified ones, 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:18.640 not the one that I've just done a four week 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.799 course online or that's done absolutely nothing in them they're 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:24.799 calling themselves a health blogger or nutritionnis online. So I 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:26.880 think whenever you go and you see someone, you need 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:28.840 to ask to see their degree. You need to say, 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:31.480 what if you studied? Can I see your degree? Can 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:34.000 I see your insurance policy? Because unless they have a 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:37.840 proper degree, unless they have proper insurance, should you really 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:40.040 be seeing them? Should you be trusting their advice? Should 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:42.720 you be dming your favorite instagrammer online because they're a 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:45.519 health blogger and they lost twenty killers themselves and asking 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:48.320 them for advice. No, the answer is no, because they're 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:51.440 not probably qualified. So I wanted to start off with 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:54.480 today by going through the definition of a dietitian. So, 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:58.000 a dietitian is a professional that applies the science of 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:01.440 food and nutrition to promote health and to prevent and 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:05.800 treat diseases, including clinical diseases, to then optimize the health 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:10.040 of that individual or group or community or population. So 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:13.440 the biggest difference between a dietitian and nutritionist comes really 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:17.800 down to the clinical aspects of the condition of an individually. 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:21.480 Largely nutritionists work with healthy populations. They can give advice 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:24.840 around health, around weight loss, and generally with population groups 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:27.840 or sometimes with individuals as well. But the biggest difference 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:31.160 between dietitians is as a clinical aspect to a lot 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:33.800 of the conditions. And then there's a whole lot of 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:38.720 murky area in between. Is there suz between unregistered nutritionists 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:42.000 or health bloggers and then actual qualified nutritionists. Then there's 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:44.520 a new term coming out called a clinical nutritionists, and 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:47.480 then there's dietitians as well. It's very confusing. It's a 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:49.800 bit of a mindfield. I'm not even sure if dietitians 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:53.000 understand all the different types of nutritionness and health bloggers 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:54.000 on the market at the moment. 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:56.960 So I wanted to discuss this because I had an 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:00.520 email come through and it said, I really need to help. 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:04.760 I've been seeing a nutritionist and she described the diet 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:07.960 that she'd been doing and it was quite extreme. It 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:12.160 was quite damaging metabolically, and I knew exactly where she'd 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:14.360 followed that diet, and I also knew the person who 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:18.760 had written it was not qualified, and so I see 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:21.320 that come through, and it does huge amounts of damage 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:24.480 metabolically to people because of course extreme diets that are 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:28.719 restrictive and extremely low carbohydrate, and if you've got medical 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:32.960 conditions like polycystic oovies Inshaw resistance. It just reminded me 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:35.560 of the fact that there are a number of people 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:40.240 giving applied nutrition advice in mainstream media who were not qualified. 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:43.480 So I wanted to discuss it. So I think the blurry. 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:47.040 Area for me is, yes, dietitians are an accredited profession 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:49.320 similar to an accountant. You can be a bookkeeper and 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:51.760 very good at money, but you're not a registered accountant. 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:54.600 So for me, the dietitians the registered professional. We've had 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:57.159 the medical training, we've got a degree, we've got an association, 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:59.599 we're answerable to. We have to do peer reviewed work, 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.720 have to do continuing education, and follow a scientific model 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:07.119 of inquiry. We can be audited, we're controlled, very similar 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:10.880 to medical profession. The issue, nutritionally is that there are 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:13.920 a lot of what I would describe as qualified nutritionists 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:15.440 who have a science degree. 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:16.640 You know, I know. 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:20.200 Several very respected nutritionists who have been to university and 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:23.200 studied for three four years in an area of nutrition, 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:27.120 and certainly compared to a health coach or someone who 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:29.120 doesn't have a science degree. 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:31.800 They're pretty qualified. No, they're not a dietitian. 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:35.040 And if they were writing prescriptive meal plans for someone 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:38.040 with a medical condition, I would have concern. But if 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:42.080 they're giving general advice, cooking healthy recipes, you know, encouraging 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:45.080 people to eat better, you know, they have a science degree. 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:47.919 The issue I have is that there's a growing number 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:52.040 of clinical nutritionists doing the round and in mainstream media 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:54.800 who don't have a science degree. And I'm calling that 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:57.599 shouldn't be allowed, and I'm appalled in some instances that 0:05:57.640 --> 0:05:59.080 it has been allowed in television. 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:00.480 It has been allowed in. 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:03.279 Media because journalists who would claim to be the ones 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:05.279 who do the research and make sure that all the 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:08.680 data is correct, don't check the qualifications of the content 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:11.720 that they are actively promoting to the mass population. 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:13.800 They're basically not qualified. 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:15.840 You know, you don't have someone who has an interest 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:19.880 in medicine on the morning show talking about medicine, they're 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:22.679 a doctor, and as should be the case, it should 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:25.720 be a dietitian or at least a nutritionist who has 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:29.120 a science degree. So the message for our listeners is 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:32.440 we're not here to dish people and their work. But 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:34.680 what we're saying is that if you're someone who has 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:37.480 a medical issue, if you've got complicated weight loss, if 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:40.880 you've got hormone issues, family history to take into account, 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.159 you need to see someone who is qualified. So you 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:47.160 need to ask do you have a science degree? Are 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:49.279 you a registered professional? Can I claim you from a 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:51.120 health fund? Can I claim you from Medicare? And if 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:53.600 the answer is no, I'd be questioning if that's the 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:56.640 right person for you, because just because a health coach 0:06:57.520 --> 0:07:01.120 looks slim and healthy, does it mean they're qualified in 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:03.760 the science of nutrition. And when I get emails like 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:05.720 that and I know exactly where those people have been 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:07.600 and what diets have been doing, I just think they 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:09.960 should shouldn't be allowed to happen. And I think that 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:11.920 we should be more transparent. And I think if any 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:14.120 journalists are listening, you need to make sure that if 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:16.680 you've got nutritionists writing for your publication that they at 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:19.480 least have a science degree, because you're accountable to the 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:22.280 population to be giving evidence based advice, and it's a 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:25.760 question of actual having the qualification to do so. 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:26.720 So there's a difference. 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:29.200 Between getting on TV being a chef cooking a chocolate 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:31.280 cake and calling it healthy because you chuck some avocado 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:34.480 into it, and then giving advice on who that recipe 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:37.360 is for, whether it's good for high blood pleasure, cholesterol, 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:40.840 and giving applied nutritional advice. So you know, journalists need 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:42.720 to take a look at where they're getting information because 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:45.000 they don't often do the research, and hence we've got 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:47.720 situations where there's people in mainstream media who don't have 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:48.720 a science degree. 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:50.840 Yeah. I think my biggest grap is that a lot 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:54.120 of quite uncreat nutrition is without the science degrees, like 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:56.720 you mentioned, So they've got a certificate in nutrition, but 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:59.680 they're not university qualified. They don't have that science background. 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:03.200 These type of quote unquote nutritionists are very largely you 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:04.960 need to go gluten free, you need to go dairy free, 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:06.640 you need to go refine sugar free, and it's the 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:10.720 same cookie cutter meal plan time and time again. No calves, 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:13.400 no sugar, no dairy, no gluten, And it's like again 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:14.920 and again and again, and Susie and I are just 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:17.440 getting so frustrated seeing all of these clients, and I'm like, 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:19.800 you can have dairy, you can have gluten, you can 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:22.520 eat a little bit of sugar. Let's talk about your goals. 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:24.600 You know, just because you have you know, I don't know, 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:27.040 an autoimmune condition doesn't mean you can't have dairy. Just 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:29.600 because you might have PCOS doesn't mean you can't have sugar. 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:32.480 So it really nutrition needs to be personalized. And I 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:35.319 think that's the biggest difference between a lot of nutritions 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:38.680 and dieticians, at least the properly qualified nutritionists are that 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:40.920 there's a lot of just cookie cutter programs out there 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:43.960 floating around without the personalized aspects. So I was just 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:45.400 doing a little bit of a hunt to see the 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:47.839 different types of degrees. And I think if I'm being 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:49.880 on a Susie, a lot of nutritionists go in thinking 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:52.880 they do have the proper qualifications and then being told 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:55.960 by their certificate or course or wherever they've studied that 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:58.400 they are allowed to do what they're doing, and in all, 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:01.079 honestly they probably shouldn't be doing it right. They shouldn't 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:03.679 be giving people advice if you've got you know, inflammatory 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:05.920 bout disease. You shouldn't be giving out personalized advice if 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:08.920 you've got a condition like PCOS or like insulin resistance, 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:12.200 because there is that medical and science based background that 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:14.080 you need to have that knowledge. And if you've just 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:17.160 done a tape certificate or a course, you shouldn't really 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:19.200 be giving out this clinical advice. So I found a 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:22.320 good article on tape courses Australia Suzi about the difference 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:25.960 between nutritions and dietitians, and essentially it breaks it down 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:28.520 into this quite easy to understand table where you've got 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:31.760 a certificate or a course in nutrition versus a properly 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:35.520 accredited dietitian, both nutritions and dietitians. As long as you've 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:38.040 got that qualification, you're not just calling yourself a nutritionist 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:39.559 for kicks, and you need to be very careful with 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:41.400 that to our listeners. You need to actually make sure 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:45.000 somebody does have a qualification. Then it's what type of qualification, 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:47.680 Where did that come from? Have you studied science and 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:50.640 anatomy and physiology, and you know, do you understand some 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:54.319 basic BIOCHM practices if we're giving out that personalized advice. 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:57.400 So in this little table that they brought up, Suzi, 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:00.760 it says here that nutritions and dietitians can both offer 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.760 basic health and wellness advice. They can both offer some 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:07.280 weight loss advice. They can both offer meal planning advice. However, 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:11.600 nutritionists cannot offer individualized meal plans for specific health conditions. 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:16.360 Dietitism can. Dietitians can treat and prevent diseases. Nutritionists can't. 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:21.160 Nutritionists cannot offer medical nutrition therapy. Dietitians can. Dietitians are 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:23.400 properly accredited, They have to do a certain number of 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.160 PD every single year, and they have to be supervised 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:29.640 within their first few years of practice. Nutritionists don't. Dietitians 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:33.240 will have again that supervision, that practical assessment for many 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:35.800 years first, and will always have at the bare minimum 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:39.599 of bachelor's degree from university to be a dietitian. Nutritionist 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:41.640 stn't so. I think the biggest thing is that that 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:46.120 nutritionist term is highly unregulated. But it does say in 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:48.680 this little article that generally a nutritionists role is to 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:52.480 help their client by providing advice and encouragement around healthy eating. 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.360 They can provide and encourage healthy eating. Is this with 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.600 weight management? This was weight loss goals, meal planning, giving 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:01.600 out basic advice in life with the strange guides healthy 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:05.440 eating and promoting general healthy advice and wellness advice. And 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:07.720 obviously we see a lot of great nutritionalists aligned doing 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:10.560 a lot of wonderful healthy recipes, and that's wonderful. But 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:13.960 where the line becomes a little bit blurred, Susie, is 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:16.679 where these guys are giving out general weight loss advice, 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:19.280 but the client's also got pcos. They're giving out general 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:21.880 weight loss advice, but the client's also pregnant. They're giving 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:24.520 out general weight loss advice, but the client also has 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:28.079 you know, quite bad IBS coupled with Crohn's disease. And 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:30.280 that's where the lines are becoming very blared, and the 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:35.080 general population don't really understand the difference between the qualifications. 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:38.280 And largely media, I guess hasn't really helped us, Susie, 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:39.600 because you and me are doing a bit of work 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:41.280 this week with a couple of students that we had 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:43.640 and one of the students said, Leanne and Susie, you know, 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:45.600 we read about your a lot online, and why do 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:48.400 you sometimes call yourselves nutritionists in the media, And I 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:51.320 basically said to one of them, we don't call ourselves nutritions. Generally, 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:53.800 we will always call ourselves dietitians. But if a journalist 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.400 is writing an article about Susie, they might say this 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:59.840 nutritionist tips, or about me, they might see this nutrition 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:03.640 recommends these five foods for calcium, And that's a journalist's 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:07.640 decision to call us nutritionists over dietitians, because all dietitians 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:11.520 are also nutritionists, but not all nutritionists are actually dietitians, 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:13.160 and that's where it becomes a bit harder. So I 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:15.440 think a lot of times in the media, even if 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.200 we're dietitians, were written about as nutritionists. And so I 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:22.120 think the general population thinks that the term nutritionists is 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:24.880 more highly qualified than dietitians, or they think that that 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:28.480 term for some reason is broader than it even is. Like, 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:30.199 what are your thoughts around that? Like I have noticed 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:33.640 a lot of journals calling dietitians to nutritionists and leaving 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:36.400 off the dietitian qualification altogether. And again, it's just more 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:38.079 confusing for the general population. 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.280 Yeah, it's interesting, it's changed I started working in television 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:43.800 in two thousand and six and then I subsequently was 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:44.840 on Sunrise. 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:46.559 For twelve years now. 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:50.360 They always preferred nutritionists in terms that they felt it 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:53.160 was a more user friendly message, and to be honest, 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:54.120 I didn't push it. 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:57.160 Now in my work, I'm much. 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.600 More distinct to say dietitian, and I've noticed with my 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:04.319 headline on nine Honey on Body and Soul, they're seeming 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:08.480 to prefer dietitian, the Dietitian's top five, the dietitians top five. 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:12.360 So I feel that educating the media in that space, 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:15.720 health and lifestyle journalists who you know don't necessarily have 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:18.240 those nuances themselves. They might not have been to university 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:21.400 themselves instead of done cadetships and journalism. So I think 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:24.760 it's really important that they are aware that dietitian is 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:27.559 that the real qualification. If someone's a dietitian, they should 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:30.560 be referred to them as such and are certainly getting 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:34.559 any kind of information buying diet books, prescriptive weight loss 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:36.600 books if it's written by a nutritionist, so I would 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:39.040 be very quickly checking if they've got a science degree, 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:41.560 and if it's not written there, they probably don't have one, 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:44.120 So just be taking it with a grain of salt. 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:47.560 Because if you're a dietitian or qualified, or have a degree, 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:50.079 you mention it, you talk about it because it creates 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:52.520 that credibility. So I think just coming into diet season, 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:54.760 which is what we call the period through summer, when 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:56.480 there is a lot of diet books on the market 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:59.080 and a lot of information floating around, I would really 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:01.680 be making sure that if if you're taking that information 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:04.000 and using it, I would be checking that if it 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:07.840 is a nutritionist, even if they write clinical nutritionists, it 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:10.480 actually doesn't mean anything you can use that term freely. 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.079 You want to make sure there is a science degree there. 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:15.079 And if they don't mention it, I guarantee lea and 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:16.959 they don't have one. So I'd be really taking the 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:18.120 information with a grain of salt. 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:20.040 And I think the most important thing as well, just 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.000 to double check when you are seeing a professional is 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.080 to us if they're insured. Like that would be the 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:26.360 biggest red flag for me. If you're seeing somebody and 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:29.160 they're giving you a prescriptive nutrition plan, they're actively cutting 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:31.400 out food groups or saying to you can't have dairy, 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:33.560 it's inflammatory, it's bad. You can't have this, you can't 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:36.480 have that. Ask if they have insurance, because if they 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:39.280 don't have insurance, that is a scary thing because if 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:41.200 anything were to happen to you or you know, your 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:43.520 house took a backward step because you're following this advice 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:46.120 room of a professional or quote unquote professional who isn't 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:49.400 actually qualified. The saddest part is that's on you because 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:51.840 you didn't do your research. You didn't check. There's nobody, 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:54.240 there's no governing body to pull these people up. You 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:56.280 can't do you register them. They will never register in 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:58.720 the first place. Then I've had a qualification to take away. 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:01.400 Or as a real life thing, the client who messaged 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:04.520 me to say that she's been doing this diet, it's 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:07.480 played habit with a metabolism. Now she can't get weighed off. 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:12.120 She's you know, depleted. You have physically damaged your body 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:14.760 because of doing a diet that was overly restrictive and 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:17.360 inappropriate for you. You need massive diet rehab. And I 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:19.600 just went, oh, ok, that is too much for me 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:21.680 because I know the diet she's been on and I 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:25.480 know the work that will be required to shift that metabolism. 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:28.000 After following such a restrictive diet for so long, so 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:31.920 you know, beware because it can be actually damaging physiologically, 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.280 particularly if you've got some of those hormonal conditions or 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:38.880 they haven't been diagnosed, because that non qualified person actually 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:41.040 hasn't picked up on that, because they're not looking for 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:44.280 those medical indicators as we would be, all rightly. And 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:46.800 hopefully that's helpful to our listeners because I know a 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:50.640 lot of people are, you know, getting advice or following nutrition, 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:52.960 and I hopefully it encourages you to look up that 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:56.120 background of people that perhaps you're following. But moving a 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:59.920 different note, I was listening to a Gabby Bernstein pod. 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:00.440 Now. 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:03.080 Gammy Bernstein is sort of a self help guru. She's 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:04.800 been around for many, many years. She has a lot 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:07.800 of stuff around manifesting. She again is not scientifically qualified 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:10.640 and clearly states so, but she often has experts on 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:14.400 and she was talking about an expert she interviewed who 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:17.720 was a medical doctor, and he they were talking about 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:21.800 reframing the idea of treats because she said, in life 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:25.920 often we're looking to treat ourselves and whether that's a 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:29.600 shopping spree or getting a massage, or often, and we 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:32.960 talk about this tou lean treating yourself with a food, 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:35.640 you know, perhaps after you have had a big day 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:38.080 or once a week, or there's this idea of a treat. 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:42.080 And the discussion on the podcast was around if it's 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:45.280 doing damage to your body, it's not a treat. So 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:47.200 if your idea of a treat is holing into a 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:49.960 big piece of cake or a process food, or a 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:54.400 fast food meal or even you know, confectionery ice cream 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:57.040 at the end of a long day, if it's ultra 0:16:57.120 --> 0:16:59.120 process food, we really need to re. 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:01.320 Examine our idea of a treat. 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:04.639 And I thought Leanne straight away, this is something and 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:07.720 this is a good example of why dietitians professional because 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:11.800 we sort of constantly evaluating our work and considering it scientifically. 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:12.879 And I thought, that is true. 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:15.080 I need to be much clearer with clients when I'm 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:18.560 suggesting that they might have a treat, to make sure 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:21.760 that it doesn't translate into a treat that's crap quality food. 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:25.640 So when I'm thinking crap quality food, I'm thinking blocks 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:28.160 of commercial chocolate that's filled with confectionery. 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:29.760 I'm thinking fast food. 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:33.840 I'm thinking, you know, process biscuits, I'm thinking process ice 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:35.800 creams where you look at the ingredient list and it's 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:39.480 a mile long and it's ultimately lean, an ultra process food. 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:41.960 And I think I too, and probably both of us, 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:44.720 we need to be clearer that when we say a 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:47.639 treat or sort of have something that you're soul food, 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:52.399 that we are talking about ideally good quality soul foods. So, 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:55.520 for example, you're going to be much better to have 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:58.360 a couple of squares of eighty five percent linch chocolate 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:02.320 than you are to have a few squares of Marvelous Creations. 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:05.800 And the difference is that Marvelous Creations is pack full 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:12.200 of color, flavor, confectionery, chocolate, lollies, many many ingredients, compared 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.760 to say a couple of box of a high quality 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:17.439 dark chocolate that's only got two or three or in 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:19.520 the case of ice cream. And we're both guilty of this, 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:21.760 if it's less than one hundred calories, we say it's 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:24.439 all right. Whereas you're much better to have, say a 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:27.080 twisted frozen yogurt, which is a very clean ingredient list 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:30.439 and far less processed than some of the mainstream kind 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:33.040 of brands and outlets that have got colors and flavors 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:35.960 and a really long ingredient list. So I just wanted 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:38.320 to clarify that and think, you know, I agreed with 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:42.280 that message. Putting poor quality food into your body is 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:44.600 not a treat, And I think when we reframe that 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:47.080 and make sure that the treats we're choosing are the 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:51.679 highest quality possible nutritionally, that's a much better message than 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:53.240 to say, oh, well, you can have macas once a 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:54.959 week because it's a treat and you deserve it. 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:57.760 Yeah. I agree, But also I guess I'm going to 0:18:57.920 --> 0:18:59.040 be a little bit because. 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:00.639 I think you're thinking of those ice the col's ice 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:02.359 greeno ones. 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:03.919 No, no, no, I'm just trying to say that. What 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:05.920 I generally say to my clients is if you truly 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:08.200 love something, I don't care if it's cabarery, marble, whatever. 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:09.680