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Speaker 1: Lizzie Wellborn's story begins quite differently to other female athletes.

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Speaker 1: Growing up, she wasn't sporty and sport wasn't a big

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Speaker 1: part of her childhood. That was until age ten, when

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Speaker 1: she started surf life saving. From there, her competitive spark

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Speaker 1: was lead, and by age sixteen, she was competing in

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Speaker 1: the professional Australian Iron Woman series, making her one of

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Speaker 1: the youngest athletes in history to qualify. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the Female Athlete Project and thanks for pressing play on

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Speaker 1: today's episode.

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Speaker 2: My name is Sophie the.

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Speaker 1: Producer here at teapap and this week Chloe sits down

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Speaker 1: with Australian Iron Woman Lizzie well Lizzie opens up on

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Speaker 1: the pressure of expectation after finding success so early in

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Speaker 1: her career, and how she battled with body confidence and

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Speaker 1: restrictive eating along the way before it led her to

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Speaker 1: start Kamana, a program designed to educate and empower female

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Speaker 1: athletes on taboo topics so they can reach their potential

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Speaker 1: in sport and life.

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Speaker 2: We hope you enjoyed this.

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Speaker 3: Episode see well Born Welcome to the Female Athlete Project.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited to be here. You have been a

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Speaker 2: long inspiration of mine and what you've done with the

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Speaker 2: Female Athlete Project first sport, not just in Australia but

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Speaker 2: around the world. Female sport obviously specifically has been amazing.

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Speaker 2: So I'm so honored to be here.

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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you. That's really lovely.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. I'm a massive fan. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: I've been following the FEMA Athlete Project since it began,

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Speaker 2: and yeah, it feels it. I've got like Goosebum's very

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Speaker 3: Be I'm very excited to have here and really excited

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Speaker 3: to talk about your journey in sport, but also the

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Speaker 3: incredible things. Oh I kind of say, like off the field,

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Speaker 2: Probably the beach, off the beach.

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Speaker 3: But let's let's go back and chat about Lizzie As

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Speaker 3: a little kid. How would you describe yourself.

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Speaker 2: As a little kid. I definitely wasn't sporty. I was.

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Speaker 2: No, definitely, and I think it's it's definitely about trial

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Speaker 2: Well, looking back now, I can see that I'm the

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Speaker 3: And so do you put that down to that environment

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Speaker 2: I think it was definitely having a lot of girls

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Speaker 2: value doesn't come from my results anyway, and my value

441
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 2: comes from the person that I am, my passions, my values,

442
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,200
Speaker 2: the way that I treat other people, and also now

443
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 2: what I've been able to do with sport on an

444
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 2: even bigger level rather than just my results. Because for

445
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 2: a long time, I thought that my only purpose as

446
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:11,919
Speaker 2: an athlete was to train hard and win races, and

447
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 2: that's what being an athlete is. But I now know

448
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 2: that having the platform of being an athlete can allow

449
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 2: you to do so much more. And what I'm doing

450
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 2: with that now is I find the greatest purpose of

451
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 2: being an athlete through that.

452
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,200
Speaker 3: I was going to hold off before we got to Commander,

453
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 3: but I feel like that's a quite nice segue into

454
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 3: that topic. And thank you for your vulnerability as well,

455
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 3: like sharing that part of your journey, because I think

456
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 3: it is it's such a huge thing, like I know

457
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 3: in my sporting experience, like even in like a social setting, right,

458
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 3: like someone will introduce me to someone and then they'll

459
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 3: just like either a bit tongue in cheek or it's

460
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 3: someone who's a fan of sport and they'll say, oh,

461
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 3: Chloe's an Olympic gold medalist and suddenly that person is

462
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,639
Speaker 3: super interested in me. And I understand that being an

463
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 3: athlete is interesting and success, like people are invested in that,

464
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 3: but there is this part of me sometimes it's like,

465
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 3: why don't you value me as a person and my

466
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 3: sense of humor and what I bring to the conversation,

467
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like, so when you're talking

468
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 3: about that, I completely understand, and I imagine it's a

469
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 3: really similar experience for a lot of athletes that what

470
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,640
Speaker 3: you do and your success makes you interesting and appealing,

471
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 3: but it's actually not the case with such well rounded

472
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 3: people that offer so much more than just what we

473
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 3: do as an athlete one hundred percent.

474
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Speaker 2: And I want to ask, did you, I guess kind

475
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,479
Speaker 2: of feel that shift when you started the Female Athlete

476
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 2: Project because I can imagine before that it was just

477
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 2: sport and competing and trying to win those gold medals

478
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 2: and win those championships.

479
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was what you actually talked about that I

480
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 3: guess that shift from understanding that training and competing for

481
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 3: success to finding purpose away from sport. I feel like

482
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 3: you were almost describing exactly how I describe the Female

483
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 3: Athlete Project for me like my experience for starting it,

484
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 3: and I've shared it a couple of times on the podcast,

485
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 3: but my experience for starting it came from being an

486
00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 3: ambassador for a domestic violence charity and understand the power

487
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,199
Speaker 3: that sport has an Australian culture and the power of

488
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 3: people seeing women existing in spaces and succeeding in spaces

489
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 3: and thriving and being given equal opportunity and resourcing and

490
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 3: all of those things, and how that can actually shift

491
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 3: people's attitudes more broadly in society. And so I think

492
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 3: it just totally shifted my perspective and I wake up

493
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 3: and or now I've retired, which is a weird thing

494
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 3: from sport, but it's been my thing even while I

495
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 3: was still playing sport. Like t fapp for me, it's

496
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 3: like I found my purpose.

497
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, And I want to add like because

498
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 2: I feel the same thing with Commander, which is what

499
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 2: we'll get to. But for a lot of athletes that

500
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 2: it's hard to just say, well, I'm going to start

501
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 2: a podcast or I'm going to start an education resource.

502
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 2: But the other thing on that is that at the moment,

503
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 2: and I'm sure it's the same for you, but when

504
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,959
Speaker 2: I look back on my career so far. Yes, I'm

505
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 2: proud of the achievements, but my favorite memories and the

506
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 2: things I'm most grateful for through sport is not the achievements,

507
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 2: but it's the experience I've been able to have, the

508
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 2: countries I've been able to travel to, the people I've

509
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 2: been able to meet, the fun I've been able to

510
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 2: have with my team. So finding a great purpose in

511
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 2: sport doesn't mean that you have to go and do

512
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 2: all these big things. You can find purpose in sport

513
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 2: just from being a leader in your club, helping out

514
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 2: in your community, helping out the next generation in your

515
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 2: club or in your sport. There are so many other

516
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 2: little things that we can do just on an individual

517
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 2: and team level that can give us that greater purpose

518
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 2: in sport. But I think knowing that the most enjoyment

519
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 2: that we I think I think a lot of athletes,

520
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 2: especially when they retire, can look back on and think

521
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 2: that the most enjoyable parts of sports is not necessarily

522
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 2: always the wins and the achievements and ticking off those goals,

523
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 2: but it's I guess the experiences that we've been able

524
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 2: to have leading up into that point.

525
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Tell us about Kamana What

526
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 3: is it?

527
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 2: Kahmana Community is an education and empowerment program that I

528
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 2: created with Harriet Brown, who is one of my best

529
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 2: friends and also a surf iron woman, a very successful

530
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 2: surf iroe woman at that point, she's world champion, Australian

531
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,479
Speaker 2: board champion, I'm two time Iron Series champion, recently got

532
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: inducted into the Hall of Fame. She's amazing, She's an

533
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 2: exercise guseiologist, She's done all the things anyway, just giving

534
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: her a little bit of it, a bit of a wrap.

535
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 3: But we.

536
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 2: Started Commander Community a couple of years ago because we

537
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 2: wanted to help address some of the obstacles that female athletes,

538
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 2: we feel like were often facing and it was becoming

539
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 2: either a barrier to elite athletes being able to reach

540
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 2: their potential or just girls participating in sport being able

541
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 2: to stay in sport and really enjoy doing sport. And

542
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 2: this stemmed from the experiences that we had growing up

543
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 2: as young female athletes in sport. I have had which

544
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll get to, but I've had struggles with

545
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: body image, my relationship with food, putting pressure on myself

546
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 2: as I spoke about before, all of these experiences that

547
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: I went through, which I found really hard and had

548
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 2: to navigate how to get through them, and realized that

549
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: these were really common experiences that so many FEMA athletes

550
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: were dealing with, not just in our sport, but in

551
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 2: sport more broadly, and we really wanted to do something

552
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 2: about it. So for a couple of months we were

553
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 2: just brainsawing some ideas of what we might be able

554
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 2: to do, and it eventually led to Commander Community and

555
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 2: we deliver workshops to sports clubs and schools on topics

556
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 2: that aren't spoken enough about. So the topics that we

557
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 2: present on our body confidence and athletes relationship with food

558
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: and fuel, FEMA athlete health, and understanding the mental cycle

559
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: and then performance mindset and habits. And we've now delivered

560
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: almost two hundred workshops, which is that's incredibly crazy, Thank you.

561
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: And we've been able to work with a whole range

562
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 2: of different sports from very sports to grassroots sports, and

563
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 2: it's been really we sometimes forget to, I guess, stop

564
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: and spell the roses of what we've been able to do,

565
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: but as I said, it's my being able to do

566
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 2: Commander Community and make an impact in that way is

567
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 2: my favorite part about being an athlete.

568
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, that's amazing. You touched on that fueling the

569
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 3: body piece, and obviously that's a huge conversation for a

570
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 3: whole range of female athletes and in your sport in particular,

571
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 3: just wearing a swimsuit is I imagine that must be a

572
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 3: really tricky thing to navigate.

573
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 2: Body image insecurities or body image concerns. Does not, I guess,

574
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 2: discriminate between sports. I mean, you could be it doesn't

575
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: matter what you wear. I think it's an issue that

576
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 2: unfortunately many female athletes and male athletes struggle with, but

577
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 2: I think it's definitely heightened in sports when our body

578
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 2: is really on show. We race in swimwear, and we

579
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 2: also have to compete in TV on swimwear and body.

580
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: When I was younger, body image, I guess issues was

581
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: never really something that I thought about too much, And

582
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 2: it wasn't until I started to grow up, which is normal,

583
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 2: and I felt like my body was changing so much

584
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: and I didn't know how to deal with the thoughts

585
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 2: that I was getting about my body and feeling insecure

586
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 2: and negative, and I just tried to deal with it

587
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: for as long as I could, but it got to

588
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: the point where I made a snap decision that if

589
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: I wanted I genuinely thought that if I wanted to

590
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 2: be a better athlete, I needed to become smaller. And

591
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: I thought that if I did, I would be happy

592
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: with my body as well. And that became such a

593
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: massive part of my I guess my life when I

594
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: made that snap decision, and I instantly kind of developed

595
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: a terrible relationship with food, a terrible relationship with my body,

596
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 2: and that went on for a little bit, and I

597
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 2: don't want to dwell on the negatives of it, but

598
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: being able to come out of that period and realite

599
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: I'm lucky. I have a great relationship with my coach,

600
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 2: and he could tell that I wasn't feeling myself enough

601
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Speaker 2: and I had lost a lot of strength and power,

602
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 2: and he told me that if I wanted to be

603
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 2: able to achieve my goals in the sport, then I

604
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,239
Speaker 2: had to have that strength and power to be able

605
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: to punch through waves and to race at my best.

606
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Speaker 2: And I had another light bulb moment where I realized

607
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 2: I didn't want to spend the rest of my career

608
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: in sport worrying about what I looked like and worrying

609
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 2: about the food that I was eating all the time.

610
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Speaker 2: So I went on the process of getting the help

611
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 2: that I needed, seeing a sports dietitian and getting other

612
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Speaker 2: help to be able to navigate these thoughts that I

613
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 2: was having. And it wasn't until I started feeling myself

614
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 2: better again and kind of had my energy back and

615
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 2: was feeling good at training that I realized that what

616
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 2: I went through is not even that extreme, like it's

617
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 2: such unfortunately a common thing. As I said that many

618
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 2: FEMA athletes go through thinking that I'll just eat a

619
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: little bit less, restrict what I'm eating so that I

620
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 2: can maybe change my body to look a certain way,

621
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 2: and that would be better for my performance and better

622
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: for me. But the burden of having I guess, restrictive

623
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 2: eating habits and thinking about your body all the time

624
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: is it can be so such a hard burden to carry,

625
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: and it definitely was for me. And realizing that it

626
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: didn't have to be that way, and you can find

627
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 2: I found so much more confidence in myself and confidence

628
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 2: in what I was eating once I've realized how good

629
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: I felt when I was feeling myself properly, which I

630
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: wasn't able to see until I guess I came out

631
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: of that time, but it is unfortunately, so so common,

632
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: and that was a real spark for me to want

633
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,239
Speaker 2: to be like, I want to share this story. I

634
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 2: want girls to know that if they're whilst it's unfortunately

635
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 2: really common to have negative thoughts about your body and

636
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 2: not feeling yourself correctly, there there are things that we

637
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: can do about it, and you don't have to feel

638
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: that way all the time. Like, it's so much better

639
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: when we can just be confident in ourselves and enjoy

640
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: sport for what it is rather than feeling in secure.

641
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 3: How does that feel for you to share that with

642
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 3: these girls in the workshops, because I imagine, as you said,

643
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 3: it's such a common thing that so many female athletes experience.

644
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 3: I imagine there's so many people that feel really validated

645
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 3: and seen and heard when you can share your own

646
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 3: story and not only that, but then I guess help

647
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 3: them on that journey of probably moving to that idea

648
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 3: around food being fuel for performance as an athlete.

649
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 2: Well, we really just want to help shift the narrative,

650
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 2: and unfortunately, now with social media, it is becoming so

651
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 2: much harder because there's so much more content now of

652
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 2: people posting I guess what they're eating in a day,

653
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: which is not inherently harmful, but when athletes are looking

654
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 2: at people who aren't athletes and what they're eating, it's

655
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: really hard to not compare. So we really just want

656
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: athletes to feel really empowered by the empowered with the

657
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 2: knowledge that food is fuel. It can be so beneficial

658
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 2: for our performance and well being. I think depends on

659
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: the culture of your team and sport. Food can so

660
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,479
Speaker 2: often be the villain and something that is to be

661
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 2: fearful of. But for both Harriet and I being able

662
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: to fuel correctly and I guess fuel to the best

663
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 2: of our ability, it made such a big difference on

664
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 2: our performance. And I know that the times that I've

665
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 2: been performing at my best is when I've been fueling

666
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 2: my best and had a good relationship with food. So

667
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: I know every sport is unique, but I think just

668
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: really trying to change that narrative around that food is

669
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 2: food and fueling is so important, but also just trying

670
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: to give girls the confidence that their bodies can do

671
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 2: amazing things and it's not all about what you look

672
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 2: like or what you think. People think that you look like,

673
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 2: but it's about what we can do and what we

674
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: can achieve with our bodies.

675
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. I love that. It's really powerful. What has the

676
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 3: experience been like for you working with Harriet on something

677
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 3: when she for many years has been arrival and competitor.

678
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I guess for a bit of context for everyone,

679
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 2: Harry and I were racing against each other for what

680
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 2: ever since I made the series, and we weren't really

681
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 2: friends until I kind of made the series, and I

682
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 2: just always kind of gravitated towards Harriet. But it wasn't

683
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,720
Speaker 2: until we competed in this race called Molokai to Wahu

684
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 2: and it's it's called the World Paddleboard Championships, and it's

685
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 2: a fifty two kilometer paddle between two islands in Hawaii,

686
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 2: Molokai and Hawaihu through the it's called the Kayui Channel,

687
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: which is also known as a Channel of Bones because

688
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 2: it's a very rough water crossing. We both did that

689
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: race for the first time together, like in the same year,

690
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: and we went into that race. We were both very

691
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 2: good board paddlers, I guess in surf life saving and

692
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: it competed against each other a lot, and we knew

693
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 2: that this was going to be an epic battle for

694
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: this first race that we did it and Harriet smashed me.

695
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 3: She won.

696
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 2: I think I cried the whole race was so so hard.

697
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 3: Does that take.

698
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 2: Between five to six hours depending on the conditions. It's brutal.

699
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: We compete on these really long paddle boards because they

700
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 2: go a bit faster in the runners, but it's pretty

701
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 2: much paddling on your knees for five to six hours.

702
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 2: It's definitely one of the hardest races I've ever done,

703
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,479
Speaker 2: but it's such a cool race as well. Anyway, after

704
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: that first year, we developed this great friendship and rivalry

705
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 2: around this race of doing Molokai toua Who. And it's

706
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 2: hilarious because we both have always competed on yellow craft,

707
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 2: so it was kind of like these two really good

708
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 2: Aussie board paddlers, both on the yellow boards. And then

709
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 2: we were doing kept on competing in Molokai to Waho,

710
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 2: and I loved those years of us competing in that

711
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 2: and every year having that rivalry of being like Who's

712
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: going to win? And Harriet actually did win all three times.

713
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: In the last race, it like it cave down to

714
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 2: the wired and she beat by forty five seconds. It

715
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 2: was such a great race. I was obviously devastated at

716
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 2: the end, but looking back on those times, it's so

717
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: cool to see that rivalry that we did have. But

718
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 2: it's really special because that race also brought us really

719
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: close together as friends. And even though we were competing

720
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 2: against each other in Molokai, also in the Iron Woman series,

721
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: in all other surfive saving events as well, we also

722
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: just generated this really beautiful friendship because we realized that

723
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 2: we had really similar passions when it came to sport

724
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: and making a difference, and it really just grew from there.

725
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: But that's I wanted to explain Molokai because the word

726
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 2: kamana is a Hawaiian word. It means the power, and

727
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 2: we chose a Hawaiian word because that was really where

728
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: we started to become really great friends and realize those

729
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: similar passions that we had.

730
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 3: Gosh, it's such a beautiful story. It's really it's really

731
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 3: really special that what you guys have done.

732
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 2: Eggs, and we're really proud of. I guess the unique

733
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 2: situation our friendship is in because we I don't know

734
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: many rivals who would be able to I guess have

735
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 2: as good a friendship as we did, and then also

736
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: be able to turn that into something more. So we

737
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 2: love talking about it and are really really proud of it.

738
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 2: And yeah, it is kind of crazy to look back

739
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 2: on that we were able to make that work because

740
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 2: there were so many times where, like during the week

741
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: we'd be talking all especially when we were creating it,

742
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 2: we'd be talking all things Kammana, and then we'd be

743
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 2: competing in the Iron Woman series that weekend, so it'd

744
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 2: be like friends, friends, friends, and then on the weekend

745
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 2: it's like rivals. And that was just that distinct shift

746
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 2: which was something that we didn't really It never affected

747
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: us because we knew that when it came to racing,

748
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 2: we were competitors and that was the time that we

749
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 2: didn't necessarily have to be friends. But as soon as

750
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 2: the race was over, we'd be back to being friends again.

751
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure you would have a similar thing

752
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: with people in different teams in different clubs.

753
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a weird thing, isn't it. Like I when

754
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 3: I first started playing sevens, our Aussie team was really

755
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 3: there was a vibe once a group that we shouldn't

756
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 3: be friendly because it could be perceived as weakness in

757
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 3: a way, which I strongly disagreed with, and it's changed

758
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 3: completely over time. I think in terms of that team culture,

759
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 3: how that's perceived. And I know now the girls in

760
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 3: the in the current program have some of the best

761
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 3: friends from countries all across the world, and as do I.

762
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 3: I met some incredible people from all across the world.

763
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 3: But I think it's this thing like, you can still

764
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 3: be yourself. You can, you can have friendships, and then

765
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,919
Speaker 3: if you're a competitor, you do you rock up, rock

766
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 3: up on race day, game day, whatever it is you're

767
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 3: competing in. There is nothing that's going to stop you

768
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 3: from giving you absolute all.

769
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: No, absolutely, yeah, and people get that, your friends totally

770
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 2: that Yeah. Absolutely. I actually wanted to I'm kind of

771
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 2: jumping around a bit here. I realized that I wanted

772
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: to ask you because, like with the education we're doing

773
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: through Kamana and you now being recently retired, was there

774
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 2: anything that you and you don't have to answer this,

775
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: He's me asking the questions.

776
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 3: I'm yeah for this, I'm going to switch the iPad off.

777
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 2: Was there anything that you went through throughout your career

778
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: where I guess you wish you had known something more

779
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 2: about your body or had that education around your body

780
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 2: that would have made a difference.

781
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think just just what you've spoken on the

782
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 3: body image piece, I think that was something that I

783
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 3: really struggled with, particularly in basketball during my younger years

784
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 3: as a teenager, and the negative experiences I had was

785
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 3: when we had like reversible singlets and we had to

786
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 3: switch reversible singlets during training and take our shirts off.

787
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 3: And I had a coach who made a comment to

788
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 3: me about my belly and said to me that I

789
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 3: needed to stop eating dessert and do it. Yeah, like

790
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 3: told me pretty much what I should be eating at

791
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 3: what times of the day, with absolutely no backing. He had,

792
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 3: no he wasn't a dietitian or a nutritionist or anything

793
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 3: he was. He was a basketball coach at that and

794
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 3: that was a really really negative experience that impacted me

795
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 3: for many years and still impacts me, to be honest.

796
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 3: But I think that education piece. I was pretty fortunate

797
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 3: to be in the AFLW where I think the Players

798
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 3: Association in the AFL from a funding perspective, are quite

799
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 3: progressive in terms of the access of resources that athletes

800
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 3: are getting now, Like even in the last couple of

801
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 3: years in my career access to a physio who specialized

802
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 3: both in sports and in women's health and was able

803
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 3: to then you know, have conversations with us and if needed,

804
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 3: then refer us on to the right health professional. So

805
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 3: I think towards that back end of my career, the

806
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 3: access to resources that we had was completely different. But

807
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 3: I think it's been interesting with when we're running the

808
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 3: TAPP summits the difference between athletes in individual sports compared

809
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 3: to team sports, and depending on what level of team

810
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 3: sports as well that they play, the access to resources

811
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 3: a lot of the time seems to be really different.

812
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, well, I'm really sorry that coach said that

813
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 2: to you, and you were really young. It sucks, but

814
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: it just goes to show that and it's situations like

815
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: that where I think those two ways look at this. Obviously,

816
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 2: the individual needs to be educated empowered on I guess

817
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,479
Speaker 2: what's right and what's not in ways that they can

818
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 2: think about their body. But there's also the bigger I

819
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: guess circle as well, which is that coaches and support

820
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: stuff really need to be educated on this as well,

821
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 2: because we've sadly heard so many stories whereether it's coaches, parents,

822
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: people and support that have made just a small comment

823
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 2: like that, which they probably never thought about again, but

824
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 2: it makes such a big impact on that girl or

825
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 2: that athlete, and it really does. It can make such

826
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 2: a monumental shift in their experience in sports. So we're

827
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 2: also really passionate about helping educate coaches and teachers and

828
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 2: parents in this space, not just about body image, but

829
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: also femally health and understanding the mental cycle, which is

830
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 2: really Harriet's bread and butter, like she's the expert in

831
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 2: that area, but the amount of male coaches that have

832
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 2: zero understanding on the mental cycle and how that may

833
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 2: impact athletes is really something that we are really trying

834
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 2: to make a massive difference on, especially because we've found

835
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 2: that only twenty percent of few athletes who are comfortable

836
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 2: speaking to their coaches about their menstrual cycle, which is

837
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: a stat that we really want to change because it

838
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 2: should be It's physiology. It's just a natural thing that

839
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 2: happens in our body. It's not something that we should

840
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 2: be ashamed of. But a big reason for that is

841
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 2: that because coaches aren't educated, it makes that conversation really hard.

842
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 2: So we're trying to shift it at shifted at all levels.

843
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 2: But it is so great to see club like AFLW

844
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: clubs and people that have the funding and the resources

845
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 2: to be able to put all those great things together.

846
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 2: We recently presented to a few of the AFLW clubs

847
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 2: in Perth and we were blown away by the amount

848
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 2: of facilities and resources that the girls have and it's

849
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 2: just so great to see that people are putting one

850
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 2: hundred percent effort into making sure that they're getting all

851
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 2: the help and I guess everything that they need to

852
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 2: be the best athletes that they can be. So hopefully

853
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 2: we can start to see that trickle down through to

854
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 2: other sports too. But it's such a great precedent I

855
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 2: think to have, especially for Australian sport.

856
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, but it is. Yeah, there's so many

857
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 3: sports at the elite level, but then as you say,

858
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 3: like as it trickles down to community sports, like the

859
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 3: lack of access to resources and that kind of information,

860
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 3: it's so it's really cool that you guys are able

861
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 3: to go to these clubs and be able to share

862
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 3: that information and educate I guess that whole ecosystem, right.

863
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's yes, especially for sports that don't have

864
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 2: the resources and I mean our sport is a great example.

865
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: Our sport. We were really passionate about making a difference

866
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 2: because it's so hard to find the right resources and education,

867
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 2: especially for athletes and coaches. Because we did our governing

868
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: body I guess is not the best at providing those

869
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 2: that kind of help, and I guess the start of Commander,

870
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 2: we were really passionate about making that difference in our sport,

871
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: and then it's been cool to see the impact that

872
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 2: it continues to make even at a broader level. But

873
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: we would love to see access to information like ours

874
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 2: become more accessible, and unfortunately funding is an issue sometimes,

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Speaker 2: but we Yeah, I think if coaches and athletes can

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00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 2: just be armed with even just a little bit of

877
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 2: this knowledge, I think it can make such a difference

878
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Speaker 2: to the growth of female sport in the long run.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely. Two questions that I ask every athlete on

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00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 3: the podcast. Firstly, who has had the biggest impact on

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00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 3: you as a person.

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00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 2: I've been very lucky to have so many amazing mentors

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00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 2: and coaches make such a difference in my life. I

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Speaker 2: feel like I could adswer that question in a million

885
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 2: different ways, but there is one person who stands out

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Speaker 2: to me, and when he was actually his name's Mark Mitchell,

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Speaker 2: and he was the first physio I ever saw when

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Speaker 2: I was really young, and then when I finished school,

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00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 2: he became my first gym coaching kind of pt and

890
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 2: he he had done a lot of work on I

891
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 2: guess coaching, mindset, mental coaching, and he was the first

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00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 2: person I was really, I guess, vulnerable and honest with

893
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 2: about the pressure that I was putting on myself in sport.

894
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: I actually probably wasn't being super honest about it, but

895
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 2: he could tell that that's what the issue was. And

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00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: the years that I spent working with him, he taught

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00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 2: me so much about perspective and different ways that I

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00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 2: can view sport and training and the pressure that I

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00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 2: was putting on myself. And I think the impact that

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Speaker 2: he had on me was that he really opened my

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00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 2: eyes to looking at things with a different perspective. And

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Speaker 2: I even think that now it has helped so much

903
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 2: of the work that we're doing with Commander Community, and

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Speaker 2: I would be a completely different person if it wasn't

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Speaker 2: for the impact that he had.

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Speaker 3: So Thanks Mark, that's awesome shore to make what a legend.

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Speaker 3: And the other question is what is your favorite failure?

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Speaker 2: Favorite failure. I do know that that was a question

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00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 2: and I've been thinking about I was ready thinking about

910
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: what my answer could be, and I think you're gonna

911
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 2: do more of a funny one. But there was one

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00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: one of the biggest races on our calendar is called

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Speaker 2: the Shannon Ex Time Classic, and it's a relatively new event.

914
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Speaker 2: It's only been going for I think six years, and

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Speaker 2: it's the biggest I guess, single event where you can

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Speaker 2: win I guess big prize money, so it's like twenty

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars if you win. And the first few years

918
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: of that was run, it was everyone was so excited

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00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: to compete in that because it was we were blown

920
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 2: away by how much money you could win, and it's

921
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Speaker 2: renowned for always having massive surf on that weekend. And

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Speaker 2: it was a couple of years ago now, but it

923
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 2: was easily the biggest surf that I had ever competed in.

924
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 2: And I'm it was the last leg, the ski leg,

925
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 2: and I managed to get to the front because two

926
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Speaker 2: girls in front of me got wiped out by this

927
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Speaker 2: massive road set, and all of a sudden, I was winning,

928
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Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my goodness, I can't believe

929
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Speaker 2: I'm winning this race, and I was so focused on

930
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: just getting around the cans and trying to navigate getting

931
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: in the big so coming in that I actually completely

932
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 2: missed a can. So I was going around these two

933
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 2: boys and at the time I hate rewatching this, but

934
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 2: on the footage, they started interviewing my coach, who was

935
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Speaker 2: handling for me, being like this he's out in front,

936
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Speaker 2: like what do you think is going to happen? And

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00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 2: he's like, she's just got to keep her wits about

938
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 2: her get in safely. And while they're interviewing him, you

939
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 2: just see me paddling past the apex can which you

940
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 2: meant to go around, and I paddled straight past it

941
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,959
Speaker 2: and then corn it off footage, and then they ended

942
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,479
Speaker 2: the interview like, oh, I think she just went around

943
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 2: the wrong canon. It shows me like having to backtrack

944
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 2: and go around the apex.

945
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Speaker 3: Me and.

946
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 2: Someone else ended up overtaking me, and they ended up winning.

947
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 2: And I may not have won in the end anyway,

948
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 2: because I could have got wiped out by a massive

949
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: set on the way in. But it was just I

950
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 2: was so mortified that it was like on caught on camera,

951
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 2: caught on TV, that I had made this massive mistake,

952
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 2: but it's something I kind of laugh about now, but

953
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 2: I'm glad you told laugh about it sadly kind of laughing. Alright, yeah, yeah,

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00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 2: I feel yeah, I feel yeah.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for your time today, and just

956
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 3: for being really open and vulnerable. I think your story

957
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 3: is quite amazing, just like your journey from being a

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00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 3: young person who didn't feel like you were good at

959
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 3: sport and then you found it, you persevered, and just

960
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 3: the impact that you're now having on thousands of young

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Speaker 3: people is huge. So thank you so much for your

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Speaker 3: time today, Thank you for having me, Thanks so much

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Speaker 3: for listening. If you got something out of this episode,

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