Speaker 1: This is.
Speaker 2: Just really hosted by a couple of mitches. Hello, yeah,
Speaker 2: are you delese yourself for the rude shocks of young adults.
Speaker 3: I'd rather be dead than be called gunkle, that nickname
Speaker 3: for gay uncle.
Speaker 2: Just because I'm gay doesn't mean you need to change
Speaker 2: the word.
Speaker 3: Imagine if they were like God, he's put on weight
Speaker 3: funkles here give a uncle.
Speaker 2: Is Mitchuri and Mitchell coos allah? Yeah, yeah, good to
Speaker 2: be here.
Speaker 3: To be honest, I just I forgot to say hello,
Speaker 3: a you well.
Speaker 2: That's your thing, and I did it.
Speaker 3: I know, how are you are you?
Speaker 2: Do you know what I love?
Speaker 3: Hello? Stranger? Oh yeah, I hit people with that a lot.
Speaker 2: Stranger. Yeah, someone says calls me lovely, and I really
Speaker 2: like it. Certain people can get away with things like
Speaker 2: Laura Burne from The Bachelor. I host to pick up
Speaker 2: with her. She calls me home.
Speaker 4: By the way, I don't think you need to call
Speaker 4: it from the Bachelor anymore. I actually forgot that she
Speaker 4: was on the Bachelor.
Speaker 2: I know, so I sort of think of the broader
Speaker 2: stroke that people know here.
Speaker 3: Did I tell you?
Speaker 4: By the way, I was at an event with Sean
Speaker 4: and we were talking to Maddie Jay for Ages, Laura's husband.
Speaker 3: They met on The.
Speaker 4: Bachelor, they did, and we were chatting to matt from
Speaker 4: Mattie Jay for Ages and then we left and Sean goes,
Speaker 4: who was that? And I was like, that was Maddie j.
Speaker 4: I googled a picture of him when he was the Bachelor,
Speaker 4: and he goes, oh my god, he's just such a
Speaker 4: normal guy in real life, because you know how on
Speaker 4: The Bachelor that make them look really you know, yes, striking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just so chill in real life.
Speaker 2: Mattie Jay is you know what, why don't we get
Speaker 2: Mattie Jay's a co host?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we better?
Speaker 2: He is better. He's so he's actually such a nice guy.
Speaker 2: He's really funny, I know, very funny.
Speaker 3: Oh it's great.
Speaker 2: And they're a hot couple anyway. Laura Burne calls me
Speaker 2: honey all the time and she goes, hey, honey, you okay, honey,
Speaker 2: great work today, honey, And I feel warm inside. But
Speaker 2: I could never go hi, honey. It doesn't work.
Speaker 3: No, you couldn't. I don't think you could get away
Speaker 3: with hon.
Speaker 2: Hey han patronizing, patronizing. No, But why do some foods
Speaker 2: get to be like words that you talk to someone about.
Speaker 3: Hello, Nectron, how are you hello, honeyed you?
Speaker 2: Oh that's nice.
Speaker 4: That is actually it has to be a sweet thing,
Speaker 4: are you true? Like Harlaye sugar, I'm Marmalade sugar Tits.
Speaker 2: My nan is just I always talk past tense. She's
Speaker 2: alive and well. My nan calls people vinigartits if she
Speaker 2: doesn't like them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, that's when you're there, like a sour pull.
Speaker 2: That's so good. She's like, oh, we'll go to the shed.
Speaker 3: Probably call me vinicotits.
Speaker 2: Actually she would. I used to do that podcast with
Speaker 2: Vinegar Tits.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 4: By the way, speaking of Sean, not my Seawan. We
Speaker 4: have a different Seawan coming onto the guests today.
Speaker 2: Do Sean Zepps will be here.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you said his name. It's hard with the
Speaker 3: list Sewan Zepps. Oh I did it? Try again, Seawan
Speaker 3: Zepps because it's s z EPs. Very confuseding.
Speaker 2: Seanps is a good see anyway. Sean Zepps is content creator,
Speaker 2: his author, He's got a new book out, and he
Speaker 2: is a He's a dad to two beautiful twins who
Speaker 2: he had with his husband.
Speaker 4: I actually adore him and It's it's kind of weird
Speaker 4: because I've met Sean a million times. I was at
Speaker 4: an event with him last night. Example, literally last night,
Speaker 4: I saw.
Speaker 2: Delta Goodrum on her knees on the Crown Plaza. Stay.
Speaker 2: I was at the Hilton, Oh the Hill.
Speaker 4: She was doing a gig there, and it was so
Speaker 4: small and intimate because it was just a corporate gig.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was like, I could.
Speaker 4: Pay hundreds and hundreds of dollars to be up close
Speaker 4: to Delta, but here I am for free.
Speaker 3: He's actually really tiny in real life, isn't.
Speaker 2: She She's petite, She's very very finished. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Now she had a great time had that gig last night.
Speaker 4: But yeah, what I was saying was I've run into
Speaker 4: Sean a million times. It's one of the few people
Speaker 4: that I see at these events that I'm actually happy
Speaker 4: to see them.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, thank god, Sean's eepps is here.
Speaker 4: Love him, But I don't actually know that much about him,
Speaker 4: so I'm quite excited to have him one today.
Speaker 2: Sewan's like skyrocketed to fame. He posts a reel on Instagram,
Speaker 2: a million views spiral. He's really got that parenting niche
Speaker 2: down pat and he's a queer dad, so then he
Speaker 2: gets all that target demo. He's yeah, so good.
Speaker 3: Nah, here's a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: If you've never heard of him, give him a stalk
Speaker 4: on Instagram or just stick around. He's coming up later
Speaker 4: in this episode.
Speaker 2: Kind of perfect for Marti grad too. I can't believe
Speaker 2: Pride Month is almost what's really up, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Well, by the time this episode's out, yes, it's done.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm doing on Sunday, the day this
Speaker 4: episode comes out, well, doing the bloody closing march over
Speaker 4: the Harbor Bridge at eight am.
Speaker 2: You're marching, I know, well, not actually marching. What do
Speaker 2: you I didn't know that was a thing.
Speaker 4: I've always found it weird that people like say, oh,
Speaker 4: you're marching in the martig Graa parade. No one marches,
Speaker 4: we slap drop.
Speaker 2: Really very true. How insulting ten meters from the Anzac
Speaker 2: Memorial to say we're marching when real soldiers did real
Speaker 2: marching for much bigger issues.
Speaker 4: Anyway, But you know, I'm doing the bridge walk thing
Speaker 4: at eight am on a Sunday.
Speaker 2: What are they doing? What do you mean? What's involved
Speaker 2: with it? You walk from one side to the other.
Speaker 4: I don't really know my Sean roped me into it.
Speaker 4: I just said, sure, I'll do that because weirdly, I
Speaker 4: didn't actually do much for Mardi Gras. Yeah, I was
Speaker 4: home by midnight, which is so not like me. Remember
Speaker 4: that maybe two years ago I came into this show.
Speaker 4: We did the Marti Gras hangover episode and I was
Speaker 4: still in my outfit, like I had two hours sleep.
Speaker 3: Yep, I went hard, But this year I was so boring.
Speaker 3: It's weird.
Speaker 2: I know, I was very similar. I was at Frozen
Speaker 2: Yogurt in Surrey Hills Yochi Frozen Yogurt at eleven forty
Speaker 2: five Hayden, and I like, do you want to leave
Speaker 2: this house party and go get frozen yogurt? Oh fucking yep.
Speaker 2: He was blind drunk because I'm not really drinking at
Speaker 2: the moment. Yeah, and I'm just sitting there watching all
Speaker 2: these gays in barely any clothing. It was beautiful and
Speaker 2: I was in my frozen yogurt with MOCHI was great.
Speaker 4: See you were probably like me where you did thank
Speaker 4: yourself the next day for not having a big night
Speaker 4: on mar de Gras. But is there also a part
Speaker 4: of you that has a little bit of fomo because
Speaker 4: you're like, oh, well, Pride's basically over, and I didn't
Speaker 4: feel like I took advantage of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I'm going to go out this weekend
Speaker 4: just so I can say I did something.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, we should talk about the opening ceremony.
Speaker 2: We were at the opening ceremony, not together, but we
Speaker 2: both saw Kylie and oh, how did you react to
Speaker 2: Danny coming out on stage? Because Kylie Minogue opened Sydney
Speaker 2: World Pride she brought her sister, Danny Minoguat in a surprise.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Right, at the last minute, you would have shut yourself.
Speaker 2: Oh. I was like, oh, I got it, Daddy.
Speaker 4: But even though it's quite far away and Genoa Shawn's
Speaker 4: sister the whole performance, thought it was Miley Cyrus, not
Speaker 4: Danny Minoguew, not the same at all, because there was
Speaker 4: rumors that Miley was in Sydney at the time and
Speaker 4: that she might do a surprise performance, completely false, and
Speaker 4: so when some woman with blondish hair came out, she thought,
Speaker 4: and we were quite far away, she thought it was
Speaker 4: Miley the whole time, and it was an amazing moment
Speaker 4: when Danny came out as a surprise. But I watched
Speaker 4: it sat like the actual televised performance, and I was like, gee,
Speaker 4: Danny's trying so hard, isn't she?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Was she not a great vocalist?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: No, she was singing Kylie song.
Speaker 4: Of course she's not going to be as good as
Speaker 4: kind of an og in her own songs.
Speaker 2: So the Minogue sisters a lot like Pizza always, they're consistent.
Speaker 3: It was so gorgeous though, Oh.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. In the matching they looked like gay
Speaker 2: Luigi brothers, you know how, like red and green, and
Speaker 2: they were in the pink and the blue. It was
Speaker 2: so hot. I loved it. I had so much fun. Anyway,
Speaker 2: Happy motograph for those it aselves. Happy mortograph. And if
Speaker 2: you're in town you're listening to this podcast. I ran
Speaker 2: into a British idiot that listens to the pod that
Speaker 2: was here. I mean, God, bless them. If you're listening
Speaker 2: and you're in Australia, welcome.
Speaker 4: Just in case there's any new listeners. By the way,
Speaker 4: we don't say idiots to be abusey. If our listeners
Speaker 4: are called the idiots, they're our juring idiots.
Speaker 3: That's our Facebook group. Oh wait, that's like you know.
Speaker 2: I was asking you at the start, like what can
Speaker 2: I say, honey or marmalade? Idiot? That's our idiot.
Speaker 4: The reason I have to clarifize because my friends Oscar
Speaker 4: and Jordan came home from the Martogra after party and
Speaker 4: they said, we ran into four idiots last night. And
Speaker 4: it took me a sec to realize that they meant
Speaker 4: our listeners, our listeners, rather than we counted four idiots.
Speaker 3: We couldn't stand them.
Speaker 2: Not just for dumb gay many. Well, if it is
Speaker 2: your first time listening to the show, welcome to Is
Speaker 2: it just me? Every week we start the show the
Speaker 2: same way with two is just me? As we call
Speaker 2: them igems. There's something we've noticed, something we hate or appreciate.
Speaker 2: Mitch doesn't know mine, I don't know mitches, and we
Speaker 2: just we throw them around.
Speaker 3: We have some fun. Do you know what's speaking of? Frozen? Oh? Fuck?
Speaker 3: Look is this turned up?
Speaker 2: Come in? Price Keeper Jenna, our third wheel price keeper
Speaker 2: Jenna is here?
Speaker 4: Have you finished your Bloody Cat podcast downstairs?
Speaker 2: What a conflict of interest? You're there today.
Speaker 3: Because we've got a guest coming in.
Speaker 4: I love how she doesn't even know who the guests
Speaker 4: is No, you're really just going blind on this podcast,
Speaker 4: don't you love it?
Speaker 2: And you're really taking your time to get on the
Speaker 2: mic like it's an audio medium. Jenna? Is it? Even?
Speaker 2: Once I saw her cat like eyes at the window.
Speaker 2: Jenna's eyes are reflect.
Speaker 3: Well and we're just about to kick off.
Speaker 5: Hi?
Speaker 2: Hi, So where were you? I was recording my.
Speaker 3: Cat for two Girls, three Cats we're.
Speaker 6: Talking about, Mitchell.
Speaker 3: You know when cats go.
Speaker 2: No, isn't that?
Speaker 3: Isn't that just what they when they chitter at birds
Speaker 3: and ship it's more of a.
Speaker 1: Well, Connie goes Okay.
Speaker 3: I think Connie might be insane.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Why what is that? What's the what's the reasoning
Speaker 2: they're trying to act like a bird.
Speaker 4: Yeah, then they're literally mimicking bird calls to try and
Speaker 4: lure the birds into some sort of false sense of security.
Speaker 3: I'm like, Isabella, they're not going to fall for it.
Speaker 4: They're not going to look at my cat going and
Speaker 4: be like, oh, I'm regurgitate some food in my mouth piece.
Speaker 2: Like birds. Aren't that stupid?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 2: Also, aren't cats like the most evolved animal on the planet.
Speaker 2: You think after millions of years they would have finessed
Speaker 2: the bird.
Speaker 3: Tweet Mike, pretty good, she's pretty good.
Speaker 2: Can you record it? I want to hear it?
Speaker 3: Recorded it?
Speaker 4: Let me find Oh my god, I was going to
Speaker 4: say that speaking of frozen yogurt. Yeah, my item kind
Speaker 4: of ties in with that, so I might kick off
Speaker 4: with that. I'll find the video of Isabella chittering first.
Speaker 2: Okay, find it. So it's called Jenna. What is the
Speaker 2: technical term? Is it chittering?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: I found that out after I posted it. I posted saying,
Speaker 4: is my cat trying to mimic a bird call? And
Speaker 4: everyone somehow ended up on cat talk. Everyone was telling
Speaker 4: me all about it. Apparently it's a thing.
Speaker 2: God, you're like one fucking video then you get on
Speaker 2: that tok.
Speaker 3: Okay, the ready found out.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is Isabella.
Speaker 3: I'll back really far on my TikTok.
Speaker 4: She's literally mimicking their bird calls.
Speaker 3: See.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it kind of sounds like have you ever
Speaker 2: seen the footage of two turtles? Fucking?
Speaker 3: What does that got to do with anything? But no,
Speaker 3: I have not.
Speaker 2: I'm going to get it up now.
Speaker 3: Oh god, can I just do my take two seconds?
Speaker 2: It's the same same sound as your cat is. Yes,
Speaker 2: trust me, it'll be it'll be worth the payoff. God,
Speaker 2: what an episode for Sean Shep's to be on.
Speaker 3: Isn't it?
Speaker 2: Zep Oh?
Speaker 3: Is he on the show? Yes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you would have. You would know if you joined
Speaker 2: the meeting that I had last night.
Speaker 6: Sorry, you know when I did that that sound? Connie
Speaker 6: now looks at me and.
Speaker 3: Thinks you're a bird? Ye, not all their issue.
Speaker 2: Here we go, turtles mating ready?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Oh it's finished.
Speaker 2: Sorry, this is actually connected to my phone. That's what
Speaker 2: Hayden our film r to grab bathrooms at the domain.
Speaker 4: Sorry, okay, that's enough. Wow, I told you it's funny.
Speaker 4: It sounds like someone trotting a dog. Toys you like
Speaker 4: the squeak too?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, Oh I just had the memory. I went a
Speaker 2: question com with Hayden and Camberrack and we played one
Speaker 2: of those last weekend when oh, fuck you. You know
Speaker 2: those toys that play with thunder and you like it's
Speaker 2: like a toilet roll and you turn upside down. I go,
Speaker 2: you know, when like a baby's vomiting, like a toddler
Speaker 2: is vomiting and they can't control their sounds.
Speaker 3: When a bird's regurg to heating its food.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, or Jenner, Yeah, all right, let's start the
Speaker 2: show meet. Would you like to go first? Yes?
Speaker 3: The wood.
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 7: Just me?
Speaker 3: It's cookie dough, just the best flavor ever.
Speaker 2: I did anything? Disagree completely? What do you mean? Hate
Speaker 2: cookie dough?
Speaker 3: The pack?
Speaker 2: Hate it, eggy gummy, it's nothing now. I purposely avoid
Speaker 2: it everywhere I go.
Speaker 4: Well, if I ever go and get frozen yogurt, you
Speaker 4: know how you can put the yogurt in the cup
Speaker 4: and then you can do your little add ons and
Speaker 4: weigh it at the end. Yeah, of course, the cookie
Speaker 4: dough chunks to yogurt ratio was way off. I'd have
Speaker 4: put a tiny dollar for a yogurt and then load
Speaker 4: up on the fucking cookie do cubes they've got there.
Speaker 2: So you're barely going to get the frozen yogurt barely
Speaker 2: because I just love cookie dough.
Speaker 4: It's so good. It's the best flavor. And cookies and
Speaker 4: cream apart from milkshakes. We all know my favorite milkshake
Speaker 4: flavor is life, of course, but anything else like ice cream,
Speaker 4: the cookie dough or cookies and cream absolutely beautiful.
Speaker 2: Because the cookie dough is a soft The whole point
Speaker 2: of it is it's a soft texture. It's enjoyable. If
Speaker 2: you add it to ice cream or something cold frozen yogurt,
Speaker 2: it breaks up.
Speaker 4: Oh well, if you don't like it, then you're not
Speaker 4: gonna like the food I've brought in. Oh I've got
Speaker 4: a new favorite snack.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, sackler. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I've had to go to the Apple Shop a
Speaker 4: lot recently because my phone's fucked. Yeah, and I had
Speaker 4: like an hour and a half to kill before the
Speaker 4: genius bar would see me.
Speaker 2: Oh fuck, I hate that.
Speaker 4: And so I was like, I'm i popp into Boosts Juice.
Speaker 4: It's been years since I've gone to Boosts Juice.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And they've got these protein balls that are cookies and cream.
Speaker 4: Holy fuck, they are all gasmic. And so when the
Speaker 4: Apple Store told me, sorry, we can't fit you when
Speaker 4: you have to come back tomorrow, I wasn't even mad
Speaker 4: because I was like, great, I can get another protein
Speaker 4: ball and I have to go back to pick up
Speaker 4: my replacement phones.
Speaker 3: I'm getting another one.
Speaker 2: Okay, So did you bring some here?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I brought some in for you is if you
Speaker 3: want to try, and I'd love to.
Speaker 2: I'm just just slamming. Oh. They are white chalk or something.
Speaker 4: Oh, they're white chocolate ones are also amazing. I am
Speaker 4: a slut for bootstuice protein ball. There's something about the
Speaker 4: fact that they're protein balls, and I'm like, oh, well
Speaker 4: they're healthy.
Speaker 2: Then hold on, they're really quite soft. Yeah, okay, so
Speaker 2: it's quite pale, it's quite white. Look, it actually does
Speaker 2: just look like a ball of cookie dough. Go to try. Okay,
Speaker 2: here we go. Are they protein?
Speaker 3: Yeah, protein balls? Whatever that is. I could have four
Speaker 3: hundred of these. I'd feel very ill.
Speaker 2: But oh yeah, that's delicious. Isn't it a lot? So much?
Speaker 6: Is it?
Speaker 3: I feel like they've literally just rolled up cookie dough.
Speaker 4: I don't know why they've caught it cookies and cream
Speaker 4: flavor because it's clearly cookie dough.
Speaker 2: So you're going to are you getting a juice with this?
Speaker 2: Or is it just the boost ball? Yeah, I'll get it.
Speaker 3: I'll get a pure eaten to go with it.
Speaker 2: I'm more of a banana bus boy.
Speaker 4: It's the same shopping center that we used to go
Speaker 4: on out lunch breaks, dinner. Oh really, yep? Maybe how
Speaker 4: we go to Schnitz almost every day? Yes, and get
Speaker 4: a Schnitz rap. And then I wonder why I was
Speaker 4: putting on weight, because I've got one of those people
Speaker 4: that's like, oh, if it's a rap, it must be healthy. Yeah,
Speaker 4: schnitz raps, they're very fattening, same as me.
Speaker 2: I did the MACS rap and then I saw one
Speaker 2: TikTok that was like the MACS wrap is two big
Speaker 2: MAXs from mcdarnott's.
Speaker 3: Oh fuck, that are you serious?
Speaker 2: I think they tossed their salad in sugar water.
Speaker 3: That wouldn't surprise me.
Speaker 2: That is delicious, told you, Oh my god, It's given
Speaker 2: me like a new lease on life.
Speaker 3: I think I'm back in my boosts here right now,
Speaker 3: going back.
Speaker 2: Well, are you getting paid for this fucking shit?
Speaker 3: Nuh, I'm just I'm feeling charitable today.
Speaker 4: I'm just giving him a shout out for free. I'm
Speaker 4: not even being paid to influence you.
Speaker 2: Jenna and I like giving these rave reviews and me
Speaker 2: is probably getting ten grand put it into his bank.
Speaker 4: I'm actually not talking about I love these fucking cookies
Speaker 4: and cream protein balls. Also, do you remember the KFC
Speaker 4: cookies and cream crushes?
Speaker 2: Oh? Beautiful, really nice?
Speaker 3: They need to bring the crushes back. What happened to
Speaker 3: that they got rid.
Speaker 2: Of the crushes, but some have the crushes signage still
Speaker 2: and you drive up and they're like, now, I haven't
Speaker 2: had crushes mate, since you was in power. You go,
Speaker 2: all right, now it's been a while, haven't it all right?
Speaker 2: We're ready for my age.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it.
Speaker 5: Is it just me.
Speaker 2: Do you feel that the foot air con functioning cars
Speaker 2: gets a bad rap?
Speaker 3: Who's giving it a bad rap?
Speaker 2: No one uses it. I'm gonna use it.
Speaker 4: If I'm transporting like food or ingredients, I'll whack it on.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that stuff on the floor.
Speaker 2: That's genius. Add that to the list. Guys, I want
Speaker 2: to be you never thought of that. No. I hold
Speaker 2: it at my tip breast level, at the same height
Speaker 2: as the front facing air con. If I've got like
Speaker 2: a trifle on Christmas Day that I need to keep cold,
Speaker 2: so the jelly melton, I hold it, I get Hayden
Speaker 2: to hold it in front of the econ. I'm an idiot.
Speaker 4: I did it on the way here because they got
Speaker 4: you've got all coffee. I got your life coffee. So
Speaker 4: I whacked them on the floor and then put the
Speaker 4: floor acor on.
Speaker 2: I'm an it. We're moving at the moment and Hayden
Speaker 2: and I put boxes in the back of the car,
Speaker 2: and they came all the way to the front, through
Speaker 2: the boot, right through the middle seeds, and they knocked
Speaker 2: the air con and bumped it onto the foot mode.
Speaker 2: And I'm sitting there driving and I'm going, I've got
Speaker 2: full three sixty coolners where normally I'm quite cool from
Speaker 2: the navel up, and so much so that like I
Speaker 2: get a bit frosty around, like the extremities, like my
Speaker 2: fingers get cold on my eyebrows and my tip of
Speaker 2: my nose. But I was absolutely blessed out and I went,
Speaker 2: what has changed? And the foot mode, Oh, it's just
Speaker 2: and you know what it does. It actually makes the
Speaker 2: front mode a bit more subtle because if it's just
Speaker 2: on the fuck it's riding up and where the air goes. Oh, Gena,
Speaker 2: I mean you don't drive, you don't understand. But a
Speaker 2: car is it's an item that transmitted to passenger.
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 2: Ohen would you turn on foot mode?
Speaker 6: Well, I don't have control over.
Speaker 3: Did you have footmode and your horse dooring carts back
Speaker 3: in the day?
Speaker 6: Unfortunately no, no, she.
Speaker 2: Had horse mode.
Speaker 3: Oh God, you're listening to is it just me?
Speaker 1: Got something on your mind, hit up at a couple
Speaker 1: of Mitch's on Instagram to get yourself on the shoe.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is time. Is it just you? Mitch and
Speaker 2: I've had our say. Now it's time for you to
Speaker 2: get on the show. You can dms at couple of
Speaker 2: Mitches or Mitch. You can send us a text.
Speaker 3: Oh, I reckon, I've let the number off a hard gay.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah yeah, oh four one two seven one two
Speaker 4: oh nine two let me checked.
Speaker 2: Yes, I got it right, he's done it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's that text line.
Speaker 4: And also, if you're going to send us a text,
Speaker 4: pop your name in there too.
Speaker 3: These text are from.
Speaker 2: I've got to get that sim cut off you too.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we havn't tech troubles some un called Crazy John.
Speaker 2: Remember when he died Crazy John.
Speaker 3: I don't know you're talking about something.
Speaker 2: Remember remember there was like Telstra, three, Optus and then
Speaker 2: Crazy John.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and there were phone stores.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a network. It was Crazy John and
Speaker 2: the logo was like knock you are fourteen that price
Speaker 2: crazy Crazy John.
Speaker 3: And they got my first ever phone there.
Speaker 2: I did two and then he died.
Speaker 3: I don't know he died.
Speaker 4: But the brand or the actual person, Crazy John. That
Speaker 4: was his Christian name, wasn't it. I'm going to call
Speaker 4: him crazy.
Speaker 2: He passed away anyway, so resting peace, Crazy John, and hello,
Speaker 2: now welcome to the show. She's in Sydney, he love.
Speaker 3: Did you get up too much for Mardi Gras?
Speaker 5: I actually do you know what homophobic is?
Speaker 1: Me?
Speaker 5: But I have family staying so I was unable to
Speaker 5: go out and celebrate.
Speaker 4: Honestly, there's so many there's so many international visitors and
Speaker 4: it's super busy this year. So I'm just like, I'll
Speaker 4: let them have it. I'm not going to compete in
Speaker 4: the queues and the crowds.
Speaker 2: It's their year, not mine.
Speaker 5: I'm with you at home, put my feet up.
Speaker 2: So yeaeah much. I did go and see progress Shark, though,
Speaker 2: did you see progress? I see that all the time?
Speaker 3: Yeah, drive past it?
Speaker 2: Yea progress the Medaldoon. It's out in the front of
Speaker 2: a museum in Sydney and they put Pride flag on
Speaker 2: it for one night and then it went viral because
Speaker 2: I don't even know why.
Speaker 4: It's funny if you don't know what progress Shark is.
Speaker 4: They've now got an Instagram account. Do they just photoshop
Speaker 4: this shark with a rainbow want it to anywhere they do.
Speaker 2: But also during Kylie, there was a you know how
Speaker 2: the thing is to do drones.
Speaker 3: A drone show.
Speaker 2: They had a drone show and progress Shark.
Speaker 4: I can't believe how much of a meme misprogressed Shark
Speaker 4: has become. You have to go look at their Instagram
Speaker 4: progress dot Shark. I've just found it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Imagine being an international traveler being like, let me
Speaker 2: really immerse myself in Australian culture and there's a great
Speaker 2: white shark with a pride flag made of drones above.
Speaker 4: You imagine the meeting at the museum being like, what
Speaker 4: can we do to show that we support the gays?
Speaker 3: Ah, just whack a rainbow fucking flag on that shark
Speaker 3: out the front.
Speaker 2: Oh good, cool, All right? Are you ready for your
Speaker 2: is it just you mail? Jump in?
Speaker 5: I am so ready.
Speaker 3: I can't wait to hear it.
Speaker 2: Now, jump in, Bradley. Is it just me?
Speaker 5: Our birthdays really fucking embarrassing?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 3: I tend to dread my birthday.
Speaker 5: I just feel like also, can I just say this
Speaker 5: is not birthday specific, but the morning of my birthday
Speaker 5: walking to work a Stepton dogshit.
Speaker 3: Oh dear, wait, when was your birthday?
Speaker 5: My birthday was last Monday, so this is why it's
Speaker 5: fresh trauma.
Speaker 2: Well, happy birthd I know what you mean. When something
Speaker 2: happens on your birthday. It's like of old days.
Speaker 3: It's my day, my day.
Speaker 2: All right. But well I kind of agree with you.
Speaker 2: As I get older, they get a bit cringier.
Speaker 5: They do. And it's like, I work in an office
Speaker 5: full of girls. Obviously they like just quill. So you
Speaker 5: walk in first thing in the morning. People are squealing
Speaker 5: at you and I'm like, it's not even nine am.
Speaker 5: I don't need this.
Speaker 3: But then not embarrassing at least they remembered now to
Speaker 3: take that true.
Speaker 5: But then but then you're having a conversation with someone
Speaker 5: in the kitchen, right they don't know what's your birthday.
Speaker 5: Someone else is happy to birthday to you. Then it's
Speaker 5: embarrassing for the other person. I love you, memrasing embarrassing
Speaker 5: thing all round. I think, because I'm old now, I'm
Speaker 5: not thriving.
Speaker 2: I'm not thriving that you need to take this into
Speaker 2: your own hands and celebrate it. I live for the drama.
Speaker 2: I live for the attention.
Speaker 4: I know I shouldn't ask a lady their age. But
Speaker 4: how old are you?
Speaker 5: I'm thirty one.
Speaker 4: Thirty one, Okay, so you're at the point where you're
Speaker 4: just like whatever, it's just another day.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just another day for me. Don'te on me on
Speaker 5: days that I'm not embarrassed by.
Speaker 2: You know what, I can't get around birthday sex because
Speaker 2: your birthday is so exat I want pre birthday or
Speaker 2: both birthday, post birthday. Six. I don't want sex on
Speaker 2: my birthday. I want to open my presents. I want
Speaker 2: to relax, I want to eat cake, I want to
Speaker 2: eat dinner. I want to stay out late. Like it's
Speaker 2: a nice little gift to know that I'm getting it tomorrow,
Speaker 2: you know, like it's a yeah birthday? Yes, I agree?
Speaker 2: I agree. What do you meet to you and show
Speaker 2: on fucking every day? So do you want of those
Speaker 2: new cames.
Speaker 3: I've never had birthday sex.
Speaker 2: You're kidding me?
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I haven't.
Speaker 4: It's because I'd only been thanking Sean for not even
Speaker 4: a month at that point. It was a bit too
Speaker 4: than to be spending my actual birthday with him.
Speaker 2: True, although your last birthday didn't, that was a rough
Speaker 2: day considering everything that happened here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it wasn't great. It wasn't embarrassing for me. Mail,
Speaker 4: let me tell.
Speaker 2: You more mortifying, But we don't touch on that. Well, Mel,
Speaker 2: I'm with you on that, I will say though, because
Speaker 2: you're an only fans creator, right.
Speaker 1: Me?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What? But on your father there's a chili and
Speaker 2: then a link next to it that means click this
Speaker 2: link for the hot content. Right?
Speaker 5: Oh no, babe, is there a link? Have I been hacked?
Speaker 2: So if you go to your profile, it goes mail
Speaker 2: with a chili, which is the which is the emoji
Speaker 2: underground language for I'm an only fans creator.
Speaker 3: Is it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? You know that follow a couple only fans?
Speaker 3: Oh I didn't know that.
Speaker 6: I didn't know that.
Speaker 5: Are you telling me you believe that? And I could
Speaker 5: be making some cash?
Speaker 2: Look at Mel's pro Is that your boyfriend, the one
Speaker 2: that looks like Simba if he was a human?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 2: Would you not watch Mail and Cimber? Fuck? Look at them?
Speaker 6: All?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 5: Well that's something for thought.
Speaker 2: Oh no, you don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't have to if I wouldn't sign up to
Speaker 3: watch your only fans. But I'm looking at you. You're
Speaker 3: a gorgeous couple.
Speaker 4: So yeah, there's potential there, but you know when I'm
Speaker 4: obviously not pressuring you, just starting only have.
Speaker 2: I gotten it wrong? I thought the chili meant that
Speaker 2: you were an Only Fans creator.
Speaker 3: I've never heard that.
Speaker 6: I've never heard that.
Speaker 5: I didn't. I haven't heard that either. But now I'm triggered,
Speaker 5: and I feel like they need to change up.
Speaker 2: Keep it, keep it. I just assumed, and I've got
Speaker 2: four pages of questions about what it's like to be
Speaker 2: an Only Fans creator. I've prepped for the wrong interview.
Speaker 5: Why did I sign up? And I can come back
Speaker 5: on and tell you, yeah, good call.
Speaker 4: Anyway, Well, don't be embarrassed about your birthday. This isn't
Speaker 4: shade at Mitch and Jenner, but I think it's actually sweet.
Speaker 4: If people are going to an effort and they've actually remembered.
Speaker 4: I think it's nice. It's better than the alternative where
Speaker 4: no one embarrasses you, which means they don't give you
Speaker 4: any attention on your big day.
Speaker 2: I think it's nice.
Speaker 5: That's true, that's true, Thanks true. I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now you deserve to be dated on and spoiled.
Speaker 2: I agree. Happy birthday for last month, Happy birthday.
Speaker 5: Thank you very much, guy.
Speaker 4: Now, don't forget to hit up price kip it Jenna
Speaker 4: on our Instagram at a couple of mitches.
Speaker 2: She'll send you a little prize for coming on.
Speaker 5: Yes, amazing, Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Guys, no worries.
Speaker 2: We love you. What a cutie.
Speaker 3: Gorgeous.
Speaker 2: All right, I just got the notification he's in the building.
Speaker 3: Oh well, guests, yeah, we have time for that beautifully
Speaker 3: all right. Pause, we're going to bring Sean in.
Speaker 2: Okay. You may follow our next guest on social media
Speaker 2: at Sean's zips. You may have seen their reels accumulating
Speaker 2: millions of views. World domination is in sight for Sean
Speaker 2: Zev's is here now in the studio.
Speaker 4: But you like cookies and cream? Protein ball there my
Speaker 4: new favorite snack. I bought a few in today, Yes
Speaker 4: I do. I'm not even being paid for this.
Speaker 2: I just love that Sean he's being paid. I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm actually not.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm wearing workout gear right now, so I feel
Speaker 1: like a protein ball like totally aligns.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree. Eat the protein ball. What do
Speaker 2: you think?
Speaker 1: I really like it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Right? Are they running? It's really good? Tell me
Speaker 2: about your book? You books coming out Not Like Other
Speaker 2: Dads June seventh. That's his first book.
Speaker 1: The first time I'm talking about it.
Speaker 2: Exclusive.
Speaker 3: Exclusive, We didn't break in bargo or anything.
Speaker 2: You're good. I saw the cover cover reveal everyone on
Speaker 2: Sean's Instagram. Beautiful, thank you, it's really very nice.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I was really really excited. I've been holding
Speaker 1: it in for a long time. We announced it yesterday.
Speaker 1: When is the show coming out? We can't it a
Speaker 1: couple of days ago. Yeah, it's called Not Like Other Dads.
Speaker 1: It's a memoir. They approached me about a year and
Speaker 1: a half ago and said, hey, no gay parent has
Speaker 1: written a story of the journey from starting to finish
Speaker 1: in this country. Would you like to be that person
Speaker 1: before someone else does it?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: My ego said yes.
Speaker 4: Now I'm going to ask you this now, because I
Speaker 4: always forget to ask our guests this sometimes.
Speaker 2: I'm going to get it out of the way.
Speaker 4: First thing, we have a list of things better than
Speaker 4: drugs and dick that we ask all of our guests
Speaker 4: to contribute to because we just don't want any young
Speaker 4: listeners of ours getting caught up in partying and boys
Speaker 4: and you know that's not the be all and end
Speaker 4: all of life that you.
Speaker 2: Can if you're doing it, go for gold. But there
Speaker 2: are there are things success. No, yes, good, very well said.
Speaker 4: A little thing in life that you appreciate. Race Nicholson said,
Speaker 4: weighted anxiety, blankets and a skincare routine. Tony Lodge said
Speaker 4: really good melted cheese. Yeah, that can be in Anaconda said.
Speaker 4: The Wizard of Oz is better than drugs and Dick.
Speaker 4: That's a favorite movie.
Speaker 2: Interesting, very cool for a drag queen. That seems perfect.
Speaker 3: Yeah it does.
Speaker 7: I have three, all right, that's fine.
Speaker 2: No one's ever done that.
Speaker 1: Driving over the Brooklyn Bridge heading into Manhattan always feels
Speaker 1: like a movie moment. I always get chills, I always
Speaker 1: get emotional. I did live there for a decade, so
Speaker 1: I think it's heightened. But just the first time, I
Speaker 1: thought every major movie, all the songs, all the love
Speaker 1: like this is. I'm a part of this every time
Speaker 1: it happens, no matter how many years have passed, I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is must be what heaven feels like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, I know it's not quite the same, but
Speaker 4: I do get a little pinch myself. Whenever I'm driving
Speaker 4: over the Harbor Bridge, I'm like, I look a little
Speaker 4: farm boy here, I am.
Speaker 2: No, I get heart palpitations. There's that one line on
Speaker 2: the Harbor Bridge. If you're going north and there's no
Speaker 2: medium strip in the middle, it's unacceptable. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I easily clip your mirrors with the oncoming traffic.
Speaker 2: Head on, even rolling the dice every time you get
Speaker 2: told as well, you're paying to die. It is the
Speaker 2: scariest road in Australoy. So not the same.
Speaker 3: But that's number one. What's number two? You've got three?
Speaker 1: My secret single behavior? Anyone know what that is? Like
Speaker 1: Sex and the City. Did you ever watch Sex in
Speaker 1: the City.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: Kerrie Brocha has this thing called like her secret single behavior,
Speaker 1: which is the thing you do maybe after you get
Speaker 1: out of relationships or when you're single, that you just
Speaker 1: do when you're by yourself and you're alone, and it's
Speaker 1: your one thing that no one really knows about. Well,
Speaker 1: now that I'm married, I can just say that mine
Speaker 1: was getting home stripping down to my underwear. Yeah h
Speaker 1: we're going to skip the drug part because you said
Speaker 1: it's better than drugs, right, Yeah, and watching reruns of
Speaker 1: Sex and the City in my underwear while ordering Chinese
Speaker 1: food and eating Chinese food. So it's the Chinese food
Speaker 1: in my underwear while watching Sex and the City, and
Speaker 1: I will do it for four or five hours.
Speaker 2: Oh blease.
Speaker 1: Oh it's so good. And I know that the third
Speaker 1: one is technically in the category, but rimming, Okay, that's
Speaker 1: not that's not I.
Speaker 3: Thought you're right on a technicality. That's not drugs.
Speaker 1: Otherwise side, Yeah, do you want to talk about my
Speaker 1: kids now.
Speaker 3: Haven't you?
Speaker 1: I'm worried about this.
Speaker 2: Why you are?
Speaker 1: I think it could cause some drama, specifically in the
Speaker 1: communities in which we weighed. Oh, I'm excited, okay, but
Speaker 1: I've been thinking a lot about it.
Speaker 2: Finish the sentence, Bradley, You'll take you in. Is it
Speaker 2: just me?
Speaker 1: Is pride no longer fun?
Speaker 3: We were talking about this just before.
Speaker 4: We were kind of like we didn't really get amongst
Speaker 4: it this year because partly I'm like, you've been to one,
Speaker 4: you've been to them all, But also there were so
Speaker 4: many visitors that I was like, I'll just let them
Speaker 4: have this year. I can't be bothered competing with the
Speaker 4: crowds and everything. It's there, You're not mine. Yeah, So
Speaker 4: I didn't really get amongst it this year.
Speaker 2: We were both in bed by midnight. It was so
Speaker 2: overwhelming more than anything, What was your experience?
Speaker 3: What's your hot take?
Speaker 1: I think if you take the entire month and on
Speaker 1: average you communicate with as many queer humans and allies
Speaker 1: as possible about their overall experience, my inference is it's
Speaker 1: like no longer actually about what pride is meant for.
Speaker 1: Like we're not connecting with each other, fighting the good fight,
Speaker 1: celebrating how far we've come. It's become how many parties
Speaker 1: can you go to, how many brand deals can you get?
Speaker 1: And when you're at those actual parties or working an event,
Speaker 1: I constantly walk away and go what happened at that party?
Speaker 1: And this is coming from someone who works like you
Speaker 1: in this content creation space, right, I make a living
Speaker 1: off of partnering with brands. But when you leave these
Speaker 1: events and you go we ate really good food and
Speaker 1: drink really good alcohol. But what was it for? There
Speaker 1: are great brands. Yeah, Mitch and I were at a
Speaker 1: party last night raising money for Misateen to help young
Speaker 1: people so they can go to queer foremost. That's great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you walk away and you know what that was for? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is actually making the world a better place year round,
Speaker 1: but a lot of them are just let's get drunk.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: A lot of them feel like just the brand or
Speaker 4: the venue or whatever it might be, just going say
Speaker 4: we love guys, we threw a party for you. You
Speaker 4: get what you get done complying.
Speaker 1: And when I, like five or six years ago, when
Speaker 1: I went for the first time, the overall experience, after
Speaker 1: you know, the time was over, was I connected with
Speaker 1: other queer people. I felt safe in environments. I was
Speaker 1: surrounded by people like me. And now I get the
Speaker 1: overall sense that it really is about how many can
Speaker 1: you go to are you are you wearing the right outfits?
Speaker 2: Did you get making the money? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And that feels disappointing. I was like, this year didn't
Speaker 1: feel amazing. To be honest, I'm a bit worried that.
Speaker 4: You're going to start bailing on events because you're taking
Speaker 4: a stand. Because I was saying just before you arrive,
Speaker 4: and I was like, oh, he's one of the few
Speaker 4: people that I'm actually happy to see. When I got
Speaker 4: to a fire, we were saying how good you are? Yeah,
Speaker 4: and my Seawan, who exact same spelling as your name
Speaker 4: and everything, we're saying the same.
Speaker 3: He goes, oh, he's one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: We are running it a long sean and I, yeah.
Speaker 2: Isn't he cute?
Speaker 1: We have a podcast called The two Sean.
Speaker 2: That's funny.
Speaker 1: I do think for so long queers wanted an opportunity.
Speaker 1: We wanted a seat at the table, We wanted the
Speaker 1: party's throne for us. We were sick of like being ostracized.
Speaker 1: Then we get the opportunities and now here I am
Speaker 1: intellectual queer coming in and like critiquing the it Overall,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I'm gonna get my coin. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you as a content creator, as an adult, we
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to make a decision for ourselves.
Speaker 2: So what do we do? The problem is what do
Speaker 2: we do? Because it's so hard as well, because then
Speaker 2: if we come out or if the hits he these,
Speaker 2: they'll go, well, look we look what we've given them,
Speaker 2: Look what they've got win. Yeah, exactly, how do you wean?
Speaker 2: It's tough.
Speaker 1: I honestly asked myself that a lot, But over the
Speaker 1: course of the last couple of days, I've been thinking
Speaker 1: about it more. I think every person next year should say,
Speaker 1: what do I want to feel at the end of this.
Speaker 1: Do I want to feel more connected to queer people?
Speaker 1: Do I want to go out with my friends and
Speaker 1: experience the euphoria feeling safe on a dance floor? Do
Speaker 1: I want my straight friends to experience what it's like
Speaker 1: to be queer? Do I want my family like? Ask
Speaker 1: yourself that before and then chase that because everything I
Speaker 1: just said is what I wanted, and now it's over
Speaker 1: or almost over.
Speaker 3: To you take off.
Speaker 1: You didn't get any of those, babe. You made money.
Speaker 1: You got to show a lot of people from content
Speaker 1: who might not know about your family what queer families
Speaker 1: are like. But I didn't dance on the dance floor
Speaker 1: with my friends. I didn't bring my family or allies
Speaker 1: out and let them experience.
Speaker 2: It because you had to get time to the bloody keys.
Speaker 1: I mean exactly, you got shit to do. You got
Speaker 1: ads to create. So I just think if we all
Speaker 1: did that, then you can still do the ads. You
Speaker 1: can still go to the branded parties as long as
Speaker 1: you're balancing it out, because I just feel that a
Speaker 1: majority of my friends you included, are leaving going it's over.
Speaker 1: We can do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just a little shoulder dropped. That was hard. That
Speaker 2: was intense. I agree, Mark. The most rewarding Pride I
Speaker 2: ever had was when I we did You and I
Speaker 2: both worked at Kiss and we did the parade on
Speaker 2: the Kiss floweous and I got like a plus one
Speaker 2: and they can walk in the parade, and you go, shit,
Speaker 2: who am I going to ask? And my little baby
Speaker 2: sister four years under me, had never been to Pride,
Speaker 2: never been to a Mardi Gras, and the whole concept
Speaker 2: was new to her. I'm probably one of three gay
Speaker 2: people she knows. We love each other sick. And she
Speaker 2: walked in the parade with me, and to this day
Speaker 2: it is the highlight of her, one of the highlights
Speaker 2: of her life being in Pride, seeing me being comfortable
Speaker 2: being celebrated like she talks about it to this day,
Speaker 2: and that is what That's my favorite Pride memory of
Speaker 2: all time. You're so right.
Speaker 3: I want to take my mum one year. I reckon
Speaker 3: how much Jane would be in irrelevent.
Speaker 2: My mum would love. Why don't we do our Oh?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, parents.
Speaker 2: Flow Michelle and Jane, Oh my god, Yeah, is there
Speaker 2: actually fuck? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think they're always parents.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, let's make it happen. Michelle would love it,
Speaker 2: Mama die.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and we'll take him next year when it's
Speaker 4: less busy. We don't want to overwhelm them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a lot. It was nice having it
Speaker 2: back on Oxford Street, and it was what the fiftieth
Speaker 2: year anniversary, we had a lot of winds. Fifty year
Speaker 2: anniversary of Pride. It was the first we had the
Speaker 2: first sitting Prime minister.
Speaker 1: Can we talk about Oh yeah, holy shit. That felt
Speaker 1: good to watch him, to hear him say this is
Speaker 1: my thirty fifth year walking and his outfit embarrassing, shocking,
Speaker 1: I know, come on, step it up.
Speaker 2: I wanted to see that democracy sausage in full fucking
Speaker 2: swinging right out of the front. I wanted to see it.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't both did they see that?
Speaker 4: He responded to the fact that he was dressed completely plain.
Speaker 4: He didn't, you know, get all camped for Mardi Gras.
Speaker 4: His response was, Oh, I think that Marty Grass about
Speaker 4: celebrating exactly who you are and I'm just a dag
Speaker 4: he like from Marrickville and the rest as one.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's what he said.
Speaker 1: I mean, irol But also, yeah, there are a lot
Speaker 1: of gays at home are like that's how I dress.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. There was criticism of like it's
Speaker 2: so performative, and he was like, I've been for thirty
Speaker 2: five years, thirty five there is evidence. It's not like,
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm probably gonna be PM one day.
Speaker 2: Let's start going in that last five years thirty five years?
Speaker 1: How many presidents and prime ministers in any country at all?
Speaker 1: Maybe Bernie Sanders and is like he was marching with
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King. Other than that, I cannot think of
Speaker 1: another example of someone who's fighting a good fight and
Speaker 1: all the way back in the day actually believed in
Speaker 1: that fight.
Speaker 2: I know it wasn't cool.
Speaker 1: Thirty five years ago to be supporting our asses. No, no,
Speaker 1: away what I was thinking. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: you guys have friends like this, but there are a
Speaker 1: chunk of our community who are not club kids, who
Speaker 1: don't like the glitter, who don't want who don't have
Speaker 1: like insane fashion sense. Yeah, none of that is for them,
Speaker 1: and pride alienates that group of the case.
Speaker 6: It's interesting that you bring that up because one of
Speaker 6: the guys that I work with, he I asked him
Speaker 6: what he was doing for Mardi Gras, and he said
Speaker 6: that he's not a fan of dressing up, of going out.
Speaker 6: He'd rather stay in. So he felt a bit alienated
Speaker 6: from it, and it was a different perspective. I'd never
Speaker 6: really heard it.
Speaker 1: That not talked about. My husband has talked about this publicly.
Speaker 1: When he was a kid and he turned on TV
Speaker 1: and watched the Pride Parade on the ABC before he
Speaker 1: came out, he thought, that's gay. Yeah, that's what I
Speaker 1: have to be. That's what it's going to look like.
Speaker 1: And so he thought, I guess there's not going to
Speaker 1: be a spot for me. That's not for me. And
Speaker 1: I think the club space it's for a certain type
Speaker 1: of queer person.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but if.
Speaker 1: You're not that. Turning on TV, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: saw the Prime Minister, I thought maybe there's a couple
Speaker 1: of people going Actually there is a spot for me.
Speaker 1: You know, I can just wear my button down. I'm
Speaker 1: never not going to wear a button down and I
Speaker 1: could be accepted there that I'd like to see that
Speaker 1: featured more.
Speaker 4: Speaking of non clubbing guys, you know that chick on TikTok,
Speaker 4: her name's dye. Her handle is like not an euphemism
Speaker 4: or something. You know, this chick fifty three year old.
Speaker 3: Let's be in yep. Oh yes, yes, you know if
Speaker 3: you see your face.
Speaker 4: She put a message in this group chat we have
Speaker 4: from last year's TikTok float and it said.
Speaker 3: Hi everyone, just to let you know. I started a
Speaker 3: group called Sydney Quiet Queers. The drug of choice is teeth.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you like more details.
Speaker 4: And I'm like that sounds gorgeous. It's a Facebook group
Speaker 4: called like Sydney Quiet Quick. It's just a bit of
Speaker 4: shu shin, a cup of tea in the park, book
Speaker 4: clubs and stuff for that's seven hundred and eighty five
Speaker 4: members in Sydney Quiet Queers.
Speaker 3: I just looked it up.
Speaker 1: I think it might blow up after this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sounds like it's going to be quiet packed. Actually
Speaker 4: this quite queer is made up. It's going to be
Speaker 4: fucking roundy.
Speaker 2: I'd go, well, I mean I can feel like I
Speaker 2: can relate to you a little Sean because your partner Josh,
Speaker 2: he's in media right, and you have I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't know, how would you describe it? You have different
Speaker 2: outlooks on your queerness or yeah, I mean you can
Speaker 2: speak to that.
Speaker 1: I get off on a label. I feel like my
Speaker 1: whole life, I was searching for who I was and
Speaker 1: so when I found gay, I was like, that's me.
Speaker 1: I want that. I felt like I was a part
Speaker 1: of a community. Josh doesn't even believe in them, doesn't
Speaker 1: have one. You can't give them one. There's no box
Speaker 1: that's gonna that. Not having a label makes him feel
Speaker 1: you for it. Having one makes me feel you for
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's one box, Quely.
Speaker 2: I mean you're into rimming. He was too? Is it
Speaker 2: just me?
Speaker 1: You can follow the show online.
Speaker 3: Just search a couple of miches.
Speaker 1: If you don't, you're a tickhead.
Speaker 2: Sean Debbs is here. Everybody you can get you on
Speaker 2: Instagram at Sean Zepp's his reels are They're fantastic. And
Speaker 2: you've got you really narrowed down your target market. I
Speaker 2: mean your instabio I noticed is what you've changed it to?
Speaker 2: Delf The Delf.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Delf Dad I like to follow. It's all
Speaker 1: about parenting now.
Speaker 2: Truly, And I mean you've obviously identified that because you've
Speaker 2: got two kids and you're like, fucking I'm Malini.
Speaker 1: I get a lot of messages from women saying I
Speaker 1: would never follow a father like it doesn't make sense
Speaker 1: to my life. But you're the dad I would follow.
Speaker 1: Oh there's something clever.
Speaker 2: You're funny. Good call.
Speaker 4: Actually, this is gonna sound a bit ware because by
Speaker 4: note threats, did you have kids for the content? But god,
Speaker 4: it must make your life easy. You'd be able to
Speaker 4: reap so much content out of having kids.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's so true. They're not in the content anymore.
Speaker 1: I think you'll notice that they're very rarely featured because
Speaker 1: they stopped wanting to be and you got to respect
Speaker 1: that consent.
Speaker 2: Now, let's talk about how the baby's happened, because it
Speaker 2: was a surrogacy journey. And I think I definitely want kids.
Speaker 4: It's something that you're wanting to pick its brain about
Speaker 4: because it's kind of something you're thinking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really really really want kids, really really Oh
Speaker 2: that's great, it's not I don't I truly don't think
Speaker 2: it'll happen in the next ten years. I think it
Speaker 2: will be in the next ten years, but I want
Speaker 2: a good ten years of career in life.
Speaker 4: And yeah, but I'm not saying I don't want kids.
Speaker 4: But it's not really on my radar yet. But I'm
Speaker 4: very curious to hear about the story. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 4: I don't want you to give away too much. It's
Speaker 4: all in the book, right, not like other dads.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for that plug. Here's the ten dollars.
Speaker 2: But you guys really are content creators. The boost juice
Speaker 2: mentioned the book plugs fucking male. What's in the book?
Speaker 2: Tell me about what you can get the book.
Speaker 1: I think what will excite people most is I do
Speaker 1: my entire life from start to finish, so kind of childhood,
Speaker 1: growing up in a religious church, growing up in that environment,
Speaker 1: coming out of the closet, meeting my husband in New
Speaker 1: York City, the entire surrogacy journey, that whole process, then
Speaker 1: moving to Australia, and the transition to becoming a parent
Speaker 1: in a country that you're not from. It's definitely like traumatic,
Speaker 1: traumatic lows and very Euphoorichais the whole story, and it's
Speaker 1: very very very gay. Oh.
Speaker 2: I love that very us tell us about the sarrogacy
Speaker 2: journey from the start because we have a lot of
Speaker 2: young Qui listeners. Good and I just think this is
Speaker 2: so interesting because you don't hear about it in this country,
Speaker 2: right because sergucy.
Speaker 1: Is legal, Yeah, you can do it. It is legal,
Speaker 1: you just can't do it for compensation, which means you
Speaker 1: have to on your own find someone who's willing to
Speaker 1: do it. Sergacy Australia is a company that does exist
Speaker 1: and can help you find women in this country fifty
Speaker 1: percent gay men and of those fifty percent a large
Speaker 1: chunk or just finding a friend. But yeah, compensation will
Speaker 1: get you in jail for or three years in Queensland,
Speaker 1: two years in New South Wales and one year in
Speaker 1: the Act.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: And the reason that commercial surrogacy is illegal, it's the
Speaker 4: reason because it could become a bit icky. People might
Speaker 4: start opening agencies and then people who were desperate for
Speaker 4: money it might harm their body, et cetera.
Speaker 3: Is it just stuff like that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean to be honest. The only country where
Speaker 1: it was legal at the time was the States. But
Speaker 1: there's also a really interesting like womb law that's like
Speaker 1: a carrier law around people potentially abusing that. So forcing
Speaker 1: women to do it, women raising their hand and saying
Speaker 1: I would like to do this, and I deserve compensation
Speaker 1: because I have to step away from work, new clothes,
Speaker 1: the food, the transportation to and from the hospital, all
Speaker 1: of that. I felt just for the risks she was
Speaker 1: putting to her body. She deserved money. But yeah, that's
Speaker 1: why it's illegal here.
Speaker 4: I'd almost feel bad for not paying. But then it's
Speaker 4: also like, oh sorry, babes, it's a legal I can't
Speaker 4: pay you. Oh no, get some saving money in that way.
Speaker 2: So do you mind me asking? Because you've got two
Speaker 2: beautiful tos and you chose that, right, you chose the tweens.
Speaker 2: I think we've discussed it. I mean we've been friends
Speaker 2: for a while. Yeah, we've dicussed how it actually happened.
Speaker 2: But you chose to have two.
Speaker 1: That's right. So when you're doing the IVF or surrogacy process,
Speaker 1: you have an option quite early on to test the
Speaker 1: embryos for genetic disorders basically, yeah, And through that process
Speaker 1: you get a little output document of all the embryos
Speaker 1: that have you know, in an order, and you get
Speaker 1: to decide like, which one do you want to put in?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 3: Oh crazy?
Speaker 1: At the time, the data was if you put too
Speaker 1: when you had a ninety percent tance of having one
Speaker 1: and we just wanted children, And sit down if you're
Speaker 1: worried about money. But it's two hundred and fifty thousand
Speaker 1: dollars Australian to share the process.
Speaker 3: But it happened in the sights, all of it happened.
Speaker 2: And sorry, So this was for the two same price,
Speaker 2: or as you double that.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit more, so it'd be probably less
Speaker 1: a probably be around two hundred. But when you're thinking
Speaker 1: about how much is going to cost, the emotional toll,
Speaker 1: the potential that not happening, you know, increasing the likelihood
Speaker 1: of having the success one and not having to go back.
Speaker 1: We thought we'll put two in. If we get one,
Speaker 1: amazing and if we have two, we'll see how that goes.
Speaker 2: Wow wow wow wow wow wow. And so do you
Speaker 2: peak the carrier or do you pick the sarrogug Why did.
Speaker 1: You know that sarag We didn't know her ahead of time.
Speaker 1: So there is an agency, there's a lot of agencies
Speaker 1: in the States that will help you go through this process.
Speaker 1: We found one in Boston called Circle Surrogacy. And what
Speaker 1: they do is they basically work with women. They do
Speaker 1: psychological assessment, make sure that they're in it for the
Speaker 1: right reason. They have to have a job, they have
Speaker 1: to make more than one hundred and ten thousand dollars
Speaker 1: as a family, so that These people aren't just doing
Speaker 1: it to make whole heart cash. They have to be
Speaker 1: done with their families. They have to have had a
Speaker 1: successful birth without sea section, so there's a lot of criteria.
Speaker 3: Oh okay for.
Speaker 1: These women to come and do it. And our Sarah Gath,
Speaker 1: this amazing woman, had had three kids already and just
Speaker 1: really loved being pregnant, and she specifically loved the idea
Speaker 1: of finding a gay family. She said it in her notes.
Speaker 1: We live in a part of the country where there
Speaker 1: aren't a lot of diversity. How cool would it be
Speaker 1: for our kids to have these extended family. Wow, so beautiful.
Speaker 3: So they did you actually get to meet her at
Speaker 3: any point?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, so they make you communicate every single week,
Speaker 1: but obviously we spoke almost every single day. We had
Speaker 1: her fly out for appointments. Josh would goet went flew
Speaker 1: out to an appointment, and since the birth, they've come
Speaker 1: to Australia. We've had holidays in Christmas with them. It's there.
Speaker 1: We really think of them as a special aunt.
Speaker 2: Number the kids have a relationship with her in the family.
Speaker 1: That was always, always, always, always, always the goal that
Speaker 1: they knew every single person involved, so that there weren't
Speaker 1: huge question marks attached to their life, and they go
Speaker 1: to therapy when they're twenty eight and I feel like
Speaker 1: something's missing. Yes, now they're going to know these people.
Speaker 1: This selfless woman and her whole family just wanted to help.
Speaker 1: They wanted to bring these people into the world, and
Speaker 1: there's so much love around them.
Speaker 4: So that when it came to like the embryos, the
Speaker 4: IVF stuff, are they actually her eggs, they're not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good, but they're not biologically her children.
Speaker 1: Nope. So there are two types of surrogacy, and in
Speaker 1: this country it's a pretty low percentage. In an America,
Speaker 1: it's similar. The number of women who carry a child
Speaker 1: for a family whose eggs it is is small. Almost
Speaker 1: every case, an IVF clinic is used, and the family
Speaker 1: can either take a donation from a family member if
Speaker 1: they want, or a really good friend oftentimes friends. I'm
Speaker 1: sure it said to you like a drunken at night,
Speaker 1: like I would love to donate or carry your baby cheap.
Speaker 3: No, I'm waiting for the Digena office.
Speaker 2: After this call. Things are gonna told Jenny, you're carrying
Speaker 2: my baby. If you locked it or not, you'll have
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 1: This is right, This is why the laws exist.
Speaker 3: We don't need to fuck around with a Jane. I'll
Speaker 3: get you pregnant now where you go you play t you.
Speaker 2: Fucking grabbed my crutch more time? Anyway? Yes, sorry, Sean.
Speaker 1: Or you can use an IVF clinic and they will
Speaker 1: find egg donors for us. We're really lucky that a
Speaker 1: family member offered to donate her eggs. Oh happy to say,
Speaker 1: I am not happy to say no, no.
Speaker 7: No, that iss good to say, thank you.
Speaker 1: We'll wait till the kids are older. That's really their story.
Speaker 1: There their own personal stuff.
Speaker 2: That's good. So you get the egg and then you obviously,
Speaker 2: how do you decide how does the who gives the sperm?
Speaker 2: How does that happen?
Speaker 1: Well, it was a family member of mine got it,
Speaker 1: So me donating sperm would be really really bad. It's
Speaker 1: very unfortunate.
Speaker 2: What a waste of money.
Speaker 1: That was easy for us.
Speaker 2: Also, so the kids are both of your genetics.
Speaker 1: That's right, Wow, which is why I think everyone's like
Speaker 1: they look so much like you?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Is that that? I mean? It's beautiful? Doesn't this
Speaker 2: warm your heart?
Speaker 1: I love this?
Speaker 2: It's so cool.
Speaker 1: People all know that these options exist. There aren't that
Speaker 1: many stories like ours, Like I think at the time
Speaker 1: there probably only were a couple hundred in the world
Speaker 1: who had put all of those pieces together, who had
Speaker 1: had the donation and found the saragate and it all
Speaker 1: works out the first way.
Speaker 4: And so is there any point where you thought, fuck
Speaker 4: me a lot of hopes to jump through, it can't
Speaker 4: be bothered, or did you really, really, really really want
Speaker 4: a family?
Speaker 1: So no question, I'll be honest with you, Like my
Speaker 1: entire life story is wrapped up and feeling like if
Speaker 1: being gay was going to stop me from being a dad,
Speaker 1: then I definitely didn't want to be alive. Parenthood has
Speaker 1: always been I've been chasing motherhood, specifically that specific ideal
Speaker 1: of stay at home and helping to raise kids. And
Speaker 1: so I think all the trauma of being a young
Speaker 1: religious kid, thinking if I can't have that, then what's
Speaker 1: the point. So when the world changed and it became
Speaker 1: an option, I just was gonna run and chase. It
Speaker 1: didn't matter to me how much money it costs, It
Speaker 1: didn't matter to me how hard it was going to be.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a parent, but it did not
Speaker 1: matter to me that it was serrogacy like it did
Speaker 1: not matter. It was the fact that the offer was given,
Speaker 1: that beautiful donation when it was in my hand, Like,
Speaker 1: when that beautiful offer existed, I was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'll chase this. But up until that offer, we were
Speaker 1: just going down the adoption path. Less expensive, easier process, long,
Speaker 1: long way, and a beautiful gift to society. And so
Speaker 1: if you're listening, I mean that option is an amazing option.
Speaker 4: Wow, I feel like ad option would be a lot
Speaker 4: of hoopes as well, So you reckon that's easier though, well.
Speaker 1: I mean easier in the sense that I guess less
Speaker 1: invasive Physically, the timelines on adoption can be insane, like yeah,
Speaker 1: waitless or years and years and years, but I do
Speaker 1: know financially it is more inexpensive process.
Speaker 2: Wow, what were the issues along the way? I mean,
Speaker 2: these stories beautiful and it sounds like, oh, it all
Speaker 2: happened in a week, but I'm sure it was a long, ruling,
Speaker 2: tough process on your relationship as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say that's probably the worst part is
Speaker 1: just that the relationship drama that comes with it, to
Speaker 1: have to take up massive loans to be able to
Speaker 1: afford it, to have the privilege to be able to
Speaker 1: do that. The family problems like you're bringing humans in
Speaker 1: your family into your intimate relationship, which obviously is going
Speaker 1: to extend through generations, and so there's a lot of
Speaker 1: psychological work that needs to be done, a lot of
Speaker 1: therapy to make sure you're doing it for the right reasons.
Speaker 1: We are one of the lucky few who like the
Speaker 1: eggs combined with the sperm made the ms. All the
Speaker 1: embryos survived. We did our first implementation and both took
Speaker 1: and the pregnancy happened naturally, like in its own not naturally,
Speaker 1: but happened in its perfect timeline. So as far as
Speaker 1: that's concerned, we lucked out.
Speaker 3: Wow did they grill you as well?
Speaker 4: Because he says that the surrogate's obviously, you know, have
Speaker 4: to make sure that they've got all these criteria that
Speaker 4: they tick off, you know, they've done with their family whatever, whatever.
Speaker 4: Do they grill you as well? Or that it's kind
Speaker 4: of like, yeah, and I will take you. Spoof makes
Speaker 4: some babies no worries.
Speaker 1: Oh intense. So they actually don't just do it to
Speaker 1: the surrogate, they do it to her husband as well. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's every single person involved needs to be in a
Speaker 1: emotionally the right state of mind and doing it for
Speaker 1: the right reason. So as psychologist, what would they.
Speaker 3: Ever say no to? What would they say now, you're
Speaker 3: not in the right set of mind?
Speaker 1: I think for us as gay people, I guess it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, doing it for content yea, or because
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to. They ask you, like are you being
Speaker 1: coerced to do this? Like is someone making you? Is
Speaker 1: your relationship in a bad place and you're trying to
Speaker 1: have a child to sit? You know how people do
Speaker 1: that sometimes like a relationship isn't working, but if we
Speaker 1: had a kid, everything, yes, So they're trying to like
Speaker 1: pick apart all of that and it's like, no, no,
Speaker 1: they really want to have kids. They're doing it for
Speaker 1: the right reasons, and yeah, we all got the little check.
Speaker 2: Also great black mail for the kids, Like if you
Speaker 2: only knew how much you find it.
Speaker 3: We wanted the shit out of you to prove it.
Speaker 2: Dad wanted a brand new Porsche, but instead we got you.
Speaker 3: Or just confuse them and say, nah, you're an accident.
Speaker 2: I will a very elaborate accident as brilliant. That's really good.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: The refund policy is still intact.
Speaker 1: Don't you think I'm just going to insert this in
Speaker 1: here that street people should have to go through that
Speaker 1: many hooks speaking.
Speaker 3: Like you mentioned the whole the baby trap or whatever
Speaker 3: where they're like, oh, if we get.
Speaker 4: Pregnant, then he can't leave me. It's like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: imagine if they had to go through that process at
Speaker 4: your first ultra Sound'm like, now, do you really bloody
Speaker 4: want this through you?
Speaker 3: It's being a bit about it.
Speaker 2: I also feel for the woman. They get bad sex
Speaker 2: and it's done like that, that's it. They get no
Speaker 2: very true, very true. God, that's so cool that. And
Speaker 2: so the book is what's in the book? Is it
Speaker 2: that journey? Is that story?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like all the details that I've never shared publicly
Speaker 1: about every intimate, the drive there, the actual birthing process,
Speaker 1: the drama of getting over to Australia, the struggles I
Speaker 1: had when I moved here. I expected the country to
Speaker 1: be a lot more accepting than it was, And so
Speaker 1: I talk.
Speaker 3: About its about parenthood.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like people specifically in Sydney. I just thought of
Speaker 1: this as like a gay mecca. But when you're in America,
Speaker 1: you know of Sydney and Marty grauw. You hear about it, right,
Speaker 1: And so I just thought everyone would have probably met
Speaker 1: a bunch of gay parents, and it just hasn't been
Speaker 1: the case. You know, when I'm out the playground, when
Speaker 1: I'm at school drop off, I'm still the only one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I said, the conversations that I had when I
Speaker 1: moved here really uncomfortable ones. I write about all of that.
Speaker 1: So I think if you are a parent or want
Speaker 1: to be one, it's a really interesting read because it's
Speaker 1: going to give you some insight into how you can
Speaker 1: be a better person to other people who are different,
Speaker 1: more empathetic, more sympathetic, kinder all that.
Speaker 2: It's so funny, it's so true that I feel Australia,
Speaker 2: you think the country is further further in than we
Speaker 2: really are in terms of progress. That was my mom
Speaker 2: has no homophobic buond and I bought it most beautiful
Speaker 2: wman on Earth, but took my coming out the hardest
Speaker 2: because she had no benchmark. She literally said to me,
Speaker 2: does this mean your voice will change? Does this mean
Speaker 2: you will start talking like Carson Crazley? Love that that
Speaker 2: was her point of reference. I said, I fucking wish
Speaker 2: and the process that she needed to go through was
Speaker 2: actually learning what a gay person was in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: whenever the fucker came out because she had no idea,
Speaker 2: she didn't know anyone. She watched cam from Modern Family
Speaker 2: and thought he's going to start rolling his sleeves up
Speaker 2: in that weird half triangle, roll in three quarters up
Speaker 2: the rest, and that's what she thought I was going
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 1: Truthfully, I'm so glad you brought that up, because I
Speaker 1: think a lot of queer people when they come out,
Speaker 1: expect their family to accept them in one one hundredth
Speaker 1: of the timeline it took them to figure out and
Speaker 1: come out of the closet. Yeah, our expectation is like
Speaker 1: I've told you it, except me immediately and if not,
Speaker 1: you're terrible. It took us how long I from the
Speaker 1: day I decided to the day I came out, you know,
Speaker 1: years and years and years and years of struggling and
Speaker 1: then we like spit it out. But for our parents' generation,
Speaker 1: justifiably gay equal death. Yeah, Sidneymore and Herald boom Aids.
Speaker 2: On TV with the fucking Grim Reaper and the bolleyball.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so we're expecting them to unpick all that
Speaker 1: internalized homophobia. You know, it's a different time. We're in
Speaker 1: a much better place. But I often say to parents,
Speaker 1: is you're putting your trauma of your past onto us
Speaker 1: when the reality is kids are growing up in a
Speaker 1: much different place than even the four of us grew
Speaker 1: up in kids that are coming out an eleven proudly
Speaker 1: at their school and no one even cares, No one
Speaker 1: gives a shit, And we're like, oh, wait a second,
Speaker 1: this is what your life is going to be through
Speaker 1: the lens of our upbringing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you've got to give parents a little
Speaker 4: bit of grace if they're not thrilled immediately, because they
Speaker 4: will come around. But like you said, they've got a
Speaker 4: process too.
Speaker 3: By the way, were you there when the Sury gave birth?
Speaker 4: No, because my question is going to be who do
Speaker 4: they hand the kids to, because normally they you know,
Speaker 4: wrap them up and give them to their person that
Speaker 4: just gave birth.
Speaker 2: There's two of them.
Speaker 1: Luckily, we talked about this on another show, so I'm
Speaker 1: like comfortable to say it, but we missed it by
Speaker 1: six minutes. You're joking, such a bummer.
Speaker 4: Oh and so they were they were there when you
Speaker 4: walked in. You have it's not like you have to
Speaker 4: wait a few weeks close.
Speaker 1: We were just rushing there, so.
Speaker 2: You so obviously she went into did you plant? He
Speaker 2: had the Flights book and planned to try to get
Speaker 2: there early and try to beat it. Yeah, she just
Speaker 2: went in early. Yeah, yeah, healthy birth though, right.
Speaker 1: You will have to read about that in my book.
Speaker 3: He's good. I'm available for pre order at big w Now.
Speaker 2: Tell me how many pages of glossy pictures are in
Speaker 2: the center of the book.
Speaker 7: I think, eat, I skip it straight away.
Speaker 2: I don't funk with the blurb, but I don't funk
Speaker 2: with the foreword. I go straight to that glossy section
Speaker 2: in the middle life and I look at the photos.
Speaker 2: All I do eight is good?
Speaker 4: And then don't you love when you look at the
Speaker 4: photos first in an autobiography and then you read the
Speaker 4: book and the photo suddenly makes sense because.
Speaker 3: You look at it out of context. You're like, what
Speaker 3: the fuck is this about?
Speaker 1: And then you go read the book and go, oh,
Speaker 1: that's I go back to the middle section, like three hundreds.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 4: Are you doing an audiobook version? How long did it
Speaker 4: take to record that?
Speaker 3: Or have you not done it yet?
Speaker 1: I haven't done it's doing in April, and I think
Speaker 1: it's five.
Speaker 2: Days fucking hell fantastic.
Speaker 3: That would get so tedious.
Speaker 1: And also emotionally trauma typed.
Speaker 2: Do you want to do like a rehearsal? Do you
Speaker 2: want to like? Should we give you some script? And
Speaker 2: do you want to what book can we give?
Speaker 3: Could we have anything?
Speaker 4: Oh, surely you've got a little excerpt from your own book. Here,
Speaker 4: I'll bring up the blurb on the big W website.
Speaker 3: Here you go. You gotta put music on the back
Speaker 3: of it, or no, it's gonna be an audiobook.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. I've never listened to an audiobook.
Speaker 1: I think in the beginning sometimes they have music.
Speaker 2: I give you music.
Speaker 1: Sean Zepps wanted to be a mom since the age
Speaker 1: of four when he fell in love with Missus Potts.
Speaker 3: Actually makes no sense.
Speaker 4: You're gonna have to change it to I want.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a mom since the age of
Speaker 1: four when I fell in love with Missus Potts, the
Speaker 1: Mothering Teapot and Beauty and the Beast. But there was
Speaker 1: just one problem. I was not, in fact a woman.
Speaker 2: They get you, Sean, Can you just do one more take?
Speaker 2: As Carson Kresley. I wanted to be a mom since
Speaker 2: I was four. God can get the book, So June seventh,
Speaker 2: it's out wherever you get your books.
Speaker 4: Oh, like I keep saying, because I'm so good, I've
Speaker 4: got your back pre order available now at BW.
Speaker 2: That's right, not like other dads? Do you think you
Speaker 2: are like other dads?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 3: Why the fuck would he call this? And then the
Speaker 3: plot twist at the end is I have to actually
Speaker 3: do the question?
Speaker 2: Also was have you ever met a dad that he's
Speaker 2: doing everything just the same way you are?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Wow?
Speaker 1: I think there are amazing modern men who are very involved. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: but genetically. I don't have all the science to back
Speaker 1: this up, but like we know that women research has
Speaker 1: been done, have more empathy, like wired into their entire
Speaker 1: being and body. It is more natural for them also
Speaker 1: the way in which they're raised from a young age
Speaker 1: to care about specific things. So there are men who
Speaker 1: are involved. Absolutely, they are there, they are doing drop
Speaker 1: off and pick up. They their wives work and they
Speaker 1: stay at home. But I think there is something about
Speaker 1: my childhood, specifically what it means to grow up gay,
Speaker 1: what you are told that means, how to unpick that,
Speaker 1: to always feel like an outsider. So when you come
Speaker 1: to the parenting world and there's a script that exists,
Speaker 1: and that script is very straight, even if you're straight,
Speaker 1: you tried to disrupt it a little bit, you fall
Speaker 1: into slots. Josh and I couldn't. It didn't make any
Speaker 1: sense for us. So we had to literally look at
Speaker 1: it and go, Okay, we got to start over. We
Speaker 1: got to figure this out on our own. There's nothing
Speaker 1: to go off of. And because of that, I think
Speaker 1: we either do a lot more work than the average
Speaker 1: man to go how can we succeed?
Speaker 4: Do you make the same threats that my mother used
Speaker 4: to be, like, ah, do you want me to get
Speaker 4: your father?
Speaker 3: Like they're more scared?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I say all the same things my mom said,
Speaker 1: which is just so annoying.
Speaker 2: Scary though, isn't it. I catch myself out sounding like
Speaker 2: my dad all the time.
Speaker 3: Oh god, yeah, no, I really have turned out like
Speaker 3: my mom.
Speaker 4: I get furious if someone squashes the bread. Yeah, I'm like,
Speaker 4: now there's water in the car, there's water at home.
Speaker 3: I don't need to go through the.
Speaker 2: It's fun.
Speaker 3: I really am. Joane.
Speaker 2: Well, listen, we love you. I could talk to you
Speaker 2: for hours truly, that really could. I could, but we'll
Speaker 2: have to let you go. Get the book. A pleasure
Speaker 2: having you on. You get shown on so sean hips.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Yes, I love you all.
Speaker 2: Great to have you on. Happy pride everyone as well.
Speaker 2: We'll get out of here, but I'm still a couple.
Speaker 2: This will air and Pride's done.
Speaker 3: But yeah, we're right at the Thailand.
Speaker 2: We have all the bottom.
Speaker 3: Sure, it's pride.
Speaker 2: We're at the bottom ends. I'm just saying we are.
Speaker 2: Are you just the side you know, sides of thing?
Speaker 2: You'd be me side?
Speaker 1: Hi, nice to meet you. Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 2: You want to quickly spread some light on the side culture.
Speaker 5: Sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Historically we've always had top and bottom. Right, that's
Speaker 1: actually taken not from the homosexual community, but just a
Speaker 1: deep and powerful understanding of the position in which you
Speaker 1: are playing. Are you dominant or are you not? And
Speaker 1: so we have top and bottom that the gay community
Speaker 1: uses primarily, which means you're either receiving bottom or you
Speaker 1: are giving top. Well, side is a third option, and
Speaker 1: it's you're not so interested in the actual intercourse itself,
Speaker 1: but all the other beautiful things you can do with
Speaker 1: your hand in your mouth. Sex is not always on
Speaker 1: the agenda for you, and you don't want to be
Speaker 1: labeled that way. In the gay community. I think everyone
Speaker 1: knows this here. You like introduce yourself that way, you
Speaker 1: decide who you can and cannot be with. You know,
Speaker 1: you have amazing connection at the bar and they're like
Speaker 1: tupper bottom and you're both tops. You're like, ah, shit, Like,
Speaker 1: there goes the potential of that.
Speaker 2: I thought of that.
Speaker 7: I'm like, there's other things you could doctly, But I
Speaker 7: think for a long time there's just been a bunch
Speaker 7: of people who thought, oh, maybe I'm a little bit broken.
Speaker 1: I don't really want to do all these things, but
Speaker 1: I like all the other elements a lot. And now
Speaker 1: there's this label that Grinder has really been the first
Speaker 1: large business to like.
Speaker 2: It's on Grinder's side.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were the first. I mean it was a
Speaker 1: psychologist in America who came up with the term, but
Speaker 1: Grinder was the first ones to grab it and go,
Speaker 1: we're going to give people this option and then educate
Speaker 1: around it.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's actually the first time I've heard that's on
Speaker 4: TikTok And now.
Speaker 1: I know it's a Pride sponsorship. I'm working with Grinder. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 2: They really like the gay dad.
Speaker 3: You're a married man with children and you're a grind
Speaker 3: rambas at a place.
Speaker 2: Also, I'm considering Grinder way back when had the criteria
Speaker 2: you could filter by rice. I mean they've come a
Speaker 2: real long way. The community has the fact that you
Speaker 2: just think about that, the fact that you could filter
Speaker 2: out by rice.
Speaker 3: Could you do I barely use Grinder in my life.
Speaker 3: Can you actually do that?
Speaker 2: I didn't know. I was listening to a podcast it yeah, yeah, which.
Speaker 1: I've never used it either, but I couldn't tell you
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 3: That sounds that's a pretty good impression from me.
Speaker 2: That was very good. Does Tinder have a sound?
Speaker 3: I think they just have a normal notification go off.
Speaker 3: Don't they like a text?
Speaker 2: Straight? Yeah? Fucking the heads of course. No creativity. Imagine
Speaker 2: I imagine being the gay marketing man at Tindy. I'd
Speaker 2: go make it a little tinder flame. Yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 2: got about Hinge.
Speaker 1: That's the real one. That's the one where you actually
Speaker 1: find love.
Speaker 3: That's where I met my Shaan.
Speaker 1: What was the sound for that?
Speaker 3: I've always got my phone in silent to be fair,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think it's it's a normal door opening.
Speaker 2: It should be a door. Yeah, I love that. What
Speaker 2: else is there? Christian mingle?
Speaker 3: Plenty of fishes, but gay Christian.
Speaker 2: Mingle would be it would be like you'd be banished.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would just be the burning sound beans.
Speaker 2: A straight person gets a match, but us. Sorry, I
Speaker 2: have a real thing for sound effects. I have everything ready.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you've been so well. Behavioral episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mitch hates it.
Speaker 3: We better go. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 2: Thanks, sure on the helicopter. Just tell all our guests
Speaker 2: what's your next?
Speaker 3: Guy? Bye bye Bob?
Speaker 2: Oh, thank god he's gone, he's coming back. What do
Speaker 2: you have to just came back to life?
Speaker 3: Just what I wanted to plug my book one more time?
Speaker 2: What's the title?
Speaker 3: Not like other dads?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 3: Where can we reorder?
Speaker 2: Thanks? You buy on Instagram? It's so stupid. Thank you
Speaker 2: shwing me, love you, Thanks for having me, love you
Speaker 2: and we'll see you next week. Everybody, by bye? Is
Speaker 2: it just me?
Speaker 1: A podcast by a couple of meches.
Speaker 2: Make sure you've hit full on your podcast.
Speaker 4: At Welcome to add brief. This is our secret segment
Speaker 4: on the end. Did you know we had a secret segment?
Speaker 3: Shollan.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: Normally the rule is if the guest doesn't know about it,
Speaker 4: we keep it from them. But nah, you can say,
Speaker 4: I like you I and didn't know about it, so out.
Speaker 2: He went out. I saw Jack Vision at a Marti
Speaker 2: at a house party. That's another QN about Marti grad
Speaker 2: that I like. How in Paddington and Oxford Street and
Speaker 2: Sorry Hills, all these beautiful gay terraces put up a
Speaker 2: pride flag and it's kind of like, I didn't realize
Speaker 2: it's kind of an open house. You kind of need
Speaker 2: to know. One day. You kind of had to, you know,
Speaker 2: suck him off of the year before. It's something. It's
Speaker 2: the weird invite system. But we were walking through Paddington
Speaker 2: and Hayden's like all my friend lives here. We walked
Speaker 2: in and we stayed for an hour. Jack Vigion was
Speaker 2: there and the sweetest little palm you've ever met.
Speaker 1: So sweet?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, are you acting like you've only just
Speaker 3: met Jack?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: I know, but I just I just really think we
Speaker 3: were just a little plumb. I was like, Okay, it's
Speaker 3: been on this show before.
Speaker 2: I've interview Jack as as Jack Vigion. But at this party,
Speaker 2: the guard was down. Yeah, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is this is Jack. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think it's pretty much the same on the podcast
Speaker 4: as he is in real life. By the way, his
Speaker 4: thing better than drugs and dick with sobriety five am
Speaker 4: starts and writing gratitude journals.
Speaker 3: The sobriety thing relate Relaten's. I spoke to him about that.
Speaker 4: I said, so, you were banging out about sobriety last
Speaker 4: sunder on the podcast, and you've got a drink in
Speaker 4: your hand. He goes, Yeah, it's just good to do
Speaker 4: a reset. The relationship with alcohol isn't bad. So we
Speaker 4: were back on the booths.
Speaker 2: But it's not bad. That's what I'm doing. I'n't drunk.
Speaker 2: Sin's September. I've just been off for a year. Yeah,
Speaker 2: since my birthday.
Speaker 3: How did you make it through family Christmas?
Speaker 2: Do you actually love each other? There's a real connection.
Speaker 2: It's the food that definitely fills that for that's a
Speaker 2: real problem. But yeah, I just don't I just don't drink.
Speaker 2: I haven't missed it at all. Hayden drinks lost for
Speaker 2: for both of us, correct, But I just just I'm
Speaker 2: off it and I don't miss it.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's so good. Doesn't drink at all, really hasn't
Speaker 1: for a very very very long time. And when you
Speaker 1: are a partner of someone who doesn't drink for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: if you love them a lot, you are you're sometimes stuck.
Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, I don't want to do this around them.
Speaker 1: I don't want to enable them.
Speaker 3: Would he be tempted?
Speaker 1: I think so potentially. So when we're out at venues
Speaker 1: like last night, he's very comfortable. But when we're at home,
Speaker 1: I basically the day he decided he wasn't drinking anymore
Speaker 1: was the day that I never drink at home again.
Speaker 1: And so it actually kind of works out because now
Speaker 1: I'm like a little bit fitter than I was before.
Speaker 4: Wow, I'm a bit like that with my Sean because
Speaker 4: he doesn't not drink, but he certainly is a lot
Speaker 4: more lightweight than me. And so because I'm like, oh, well,
Speaker 4: he's still going on that drink, I would normally go
Speaker 4: for a top up. Now I have a think a moment,
Speaker 4: but I'm like, I better pace myself because I look
Speaker 4: like a real grounk if I've had like the all
Speaker 4: the amount of drinks that it's had him to have
Speaker 4: one you.
Speaker 1: Want to be on the same level. It's not one
Speaker 1: person is a wastecase and you're the superle That was Bardigra.
Speaker 2: After we left the Jack Vision party, We're in Surrey
Speaker 2: Hills and Hayden's like, I'm much drunk than new Let's
Speaker 2: go get some frozen yuggurt. Well yeah he could have
Speaker 2: a drop, no, but you can hang out with a
Speaker 2: tipsy person totally. If you hang out with a blind person,
Speaker 2: you're a blind partner, then I'm suddenly the full time
Speaker 2: care or yeah, why being and the whole. So we
Speaker 2: ended up at Yeah Yo Chi frozen yogurt getting coconut
Speaker 2: yogurt at eleven thirty Matogram night. It's great. It was
Speaker 2: actually I did I did a service to the Gaze
Speaker 2: because they closed the doors earlier. It was like eleven thirty.
Speaker 2: They were closing at midnight, and all these guys like
Speaker 2: banging on the dog give me like it's like a
Speaker 2: zombie movie, like need their frozer. And then I'm sitting
Speaker 2: round in front of that green push to open button
Speaker 2: because I had and I you were. The staff were
Speaker 2: furious because they wanted to close, so then all these
Speaker 2: gays would run in and then the doors would close,
Speaker 2: and then like another horde had build up and I
Speaker 2: just go thing, all these gays would filter in. She
Speaker 2: asked me to stop.
Speaker 3: Oh hoo, why would they close at eleven thirty? They
Speaker 3: could make a killing a mato grand night because there
Speaker 3: were so many people to serve. Oh right, they weren't closed.
Speaker 3: They were just pacing it.
Speaker 2: They were you know, they were shutting it because by
Speaker 2: the time they'd serve the customers that were already there,
Speaker 2: it would be midnight. So if they left the door open,
Speaker 2: they just would never stop. Said, I mean, they should
Speaker 2: have stayed up into five am.
Speaker 1: Can we just have a quick conversation about this country's
Speaker 1: bullshit relationships and not having food available for us late
Speaker 1: at night drunk.
Speaker 4: I feel like there's some weird Mandela effects shit going
Speaker 4: on because I went to a porto on Oxford Street
Speaker 4: at two am and it was closed.
Speaker 3: Oh, and people were like, oh, yeah, they closed it.
Speaker 3: One I was like, I swear to fucking God, I've
Speaker 3: stumbled in there at four am.
Speaker 6: Both of us have been there, yes, And.
Speaker 4: Everyone's like, no, it's always closed it one SI fucking
Speaker 4: I swear I've been in there when the sun's rising.
Speaker 2: I feel like a gallo new to Like it's always
Speaker 2: the chicken shops, They're always open. What do you find
Speaker 2: it a problem?
Speaker 1: Well, from the States New York, LA, where it's twenty
Speaker 1: four to seven availability, I want to be four o'clock drunk.
Speaker 1: I want to be six in the morning drunk. I
Speaker 1: want whatever time I want food. It needs to be
Speaker 1: there for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And in the States, like these places, including restaurants I've
Speaker 1: worked at make a killing half drunk, people who like
Speaker 1: will fall in or like I have a pasta please.
Speaker 3: Like nah, not in Sydney might lookout loss in any state.
Speaker 1: I'm over it.
Speaker 2: I will say I did feel that Sydney was back
Speaker 2: to its former glory at the opening party. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: felt alive.
Speaker 1: Good, Yeah, good.
Speaker 2: Because those lockout laws were dark fucking days.
Speaker 1: The overall consensus was that it was like one of
Speaker 1: the better parades and parties and people were having a
Speaker 1: really good time. That's wonderful. I was at home sleeping.
Speaker 2: You didn't attend the parade.
Speaker 1: I did not know well, you know me, I you
Speaker 1: know this, But I don't do crowds. I cannot make
Speaker 1: social anxiety. It's like way too much for me.
Speaker 4: That's why I whenever wear an event and you're there,
Speaker 4: I just latch onto high someone I know who is
Speaker 4: happy to be on my wavelength.
Speaker 2: I need to.
Speaker 1: That's why we can't drink too much. That's why I
Speaker 1: need to hide in the corner with people who just
Speaker 1: want to chat. Yeah, but like large, large crowds like
Speaker 1: that will just spiral me, which is a bummer because
Speaker 1: you miss out on those opportunities.
Speaker 3: It also brings out a really nasty side of me.
Speaker 3: I'll start elbowing people. I don't give a fuck, like
Speaker 3: if I'm trying to get a good spot for mine
Speaker 3: Aground'm like, no, I'm ruthless.
Speaker 2: I love that you quit your DAT would make you
Speaker 2: have that in common. You both quit your day jobs.
Speaker 2: We have a full time content creation Yeah, Sean, the
Speaker 2: shan of it all? Yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, How did you think I could write a book?
Speaker 6: Though?
Speaker 1: Fuck it now, I'd say, don't Yeah.
Speaker 2: Is it being shocking?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the self disciplined to write a bloody book?
Speaker 2: Oh my god?
Speaker 3: And did someone edit it? I would take that so
Speaker 3: personally if they changed my words.
Speaker 1: Oh, that was the hardest part for sure.
Speaker 2: How do they deliver the news like we canna cut
Speaker 2: the part where you talk about the grief of the
Speaker 2: loss of XYZ.
Speaker 1: So they had a call the first time, but they
Speaker 1: basically it's just like in uh what is it called
Speaker 1: like changes in word documents? Oh, you don't like to
Speaker 1: read every single one one at a time, one at
Speaker 1: a time, one at a time. The good news is
Speaker 1: is my editor legend lesbian soon to be mother who
Speaker 1: found out her wife was pregnant two days after she
Speaker 1: got my book deal. So whatever she said, I was like,
Speaker 1: she's she's an hour, Like she gets it. Yeah, Whereas
Speaker 1: if it was a straight person be like, how dare
Speaker 1: you trying to take that?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: I just basically went with it. But anytime someone's like,
Speaker 1: I remember that most traumatic moment you had in your life?
Speaker 1: Can you make it a little bit funnier? And you're like,
Speaker 1: where's the punch?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we know you were in America Dream nine to eleven,
Speaker 2: but we would have drag brunch that Homan. Can you
Speaker 2: be are you comfortable stretch of making it happen? That's
Speaker 2: my problem. I embellish everything. I would embellish my life
Speaker 2: story and it's facts.
Speaker 3: So people could just go back and be like that
Speaker 3: memory should I have to double check it with everyone.
Speaker 1: That's then the heart. I mean that the number of
Speaker 1: details you need about personal things in your life to
Speaker 1: be able to write a story, write all the little elements,
Speaker 1: since you're constantly having to call people and be like,
Speaker 1: so remember when this happened, that didn't happen, Sehan, I'm like,
Speaker 1: are you sure? They have to go and find the
Speaker 1: videos or find the pictures and really confirm every single
Speaker 1: detail and then legally contact every single person who's in it. Oh,
Speaker 1: every quote, every sentence, every email that.
Speaker 3: Did anyone get on Naki Like, nah, I don't want
Speaker 3: to be in your book.
Speaker 1: Yes, but we're going to just not talk about that
Speaker 1: one publicly. You know, there are some humans for sure
Speaker 1: who are like, actually, it's your story and you should
Speaker 1: speak your truth. But I could have negative ramifications on
Speaker 1: some people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, true. Did you go back and read a
Speaker 2: whole bunch of really good autobiographies?
Speaker 1: I did, and I isolated my favorite writers. A huge
Speaker 1: Nora Ephron fan. Love Lena Dunham's writing. Very big fan
Speaker 1: of Anthony Bourdain's first book, Parts Unknown No Parts un
Speaker 1: I think so yeah, I'm blinking either way. Love their
Speaker 1: writing style, like very big fan of that youthful almost
Speaker 1: like colloquial extra comma uses that makes you feel like
Speaker 1: you understand their tone. I read all three of those
Speaker 1: like three times. So I read them, started writing, and
Speaker 1: then at my halfway point, read all three again just
Speaker 1: so I could get into this is what you're trying
Speaker 1: to do, smart choice.
Speaker 3: Well, you read three books three times?
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean that's like the thirtieth time I read
Speaker 1: all three of those books.
Speaker 2: Did you potentially look into hiring one of the ghost writers.
Speaker 1: That gets brought up for sure in the beginning?
Speaker 3: Oh? Really, yeah, Like I think anyone like always an
Speaker 3: influence three Country.
Speaker 1: The problem was is they found me through my writing.
Speaker 1: At the time, I was writing for Mama Mea a lot,
Speaker 1: and so they found all that, sliced it together and like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's actually just a book. If you take these like
Speaker 1: fifteen articles, there's a book right here. So I think
Speaker 1: they just were like, oh, you can write, which you know.
Speaker 4: The craziest one literally did that. She used to write
Speaker 4: like a Sunday column in the paper and then release
Speaker 4: a book which was literally just back to back all
Speaker 4: of her columns in one book.
Speaker 1: I like the way to do it.
Speaker 2: I was like, that is so lovey, so smart, so clever.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, let's just get our fucking podcast transcribed
Speaker 2: and write a coffee table book.
Speaker 1: I mean you can, you should.
Speaker 2: Well, that was an idea. We had to do a
Speaker 2: coffee table book for this podcast with just all the
Speaker 2: is it just me? And then it's conversation or ide
Speaker 2: was a card game? So then you so that it's
Speaker 2: you're the party and you is it just me? Or
Speaker 2: your question? My question? And then people your emerg.
Speaker 1: Did well, So I feel like this would do well.
Speaker 3: Do what about a coffee table book of all the
Speaker 3: things better than drugs?
Speaker 2: And oh that actually that's really good. Well, the next
Speaker 2: merch we've spoken about putting the list we're going to
Speaker 2: do on.
Speaker 3: The page for rimming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just a picture of my asshole?
Speaker 2: Can you apply that?
Speaker 1: I already you already have it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I scan that too. All right, Well, because we
Speaker 2: love you, I think you're coming again.
Speaker 3: That's great for sticking around.
Speaker 2: Did you enjoy did you listen to any of the
Speaker 2: show pre coming on here?
Speaker 7: Ye?
Speaker 1: Listen before?
Speaker 3: Good?
Speaker 4: Well, we hope this podcast made you feel at least
Speaker 4: three percent better today.
Speaker 2: That's all. So we do we do We'll see you
Speaker 2: next week. Everyone. Bye Cachu Is It Just Me?
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