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Speaker 1: Now, last week on the show, we caught up with

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Speaker 1: to boost revenue. Now, it also told us about those

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Speaker 1: disputes that are still unresolved within the committee, and we've

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Speaker 1: we continue to get messages and emails about this. Now.

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Speaker 1: We did get one listener email that said, Hi, in

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Speaker 1: light of the segment that you'd had the other day,

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Speaker 1: I believe that people should be made aware of some

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Speaker 1: of the issues with the current Darwen RSL situation. As

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Speaker 1: a current and contemporary member of the Darwen RSL, I

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Speaker 1: It was spelled out that there are some pretty big

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Speaker 1: know Sam Western from the Mad Snake Cafe and also

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Speaker 1: the studio right now. Good morning, Sam, Morning, Katie, morning everyone. Now, Sam,

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Speaker 1: I know you do need to be a bit careful

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Speaker 1: that very clear. So if anybody's listening this morning and thinking,

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Speaker 1: hang on, Sam's usually a bit more open bit, more

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Speaker 1: of an open book. Look, we need to be a little.

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Speaker 2: Bit careful, can I sorry? Can I also make it

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Speaker 2: clear The reason I have to watch what I say

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Speaker 2: So I really you need to be careful. The fact

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Speaker 1: Say so, yeah, yep, And look I don't want to

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Speaker 1: today mate. I do want to ask you, though, why

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Speaker 2: The main reason was this continuous court battle that they're

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Speaker 2: coming out of veterans funds. You know, I've watched multiple

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Speaker 2: letters now every time that this happens. Not only wasting

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Speaker 2: their veterans are missing out by fighting this. So this

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Speaker 2: could be up to the tens of thousands by now.

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Speaker 2: I don't know lawyers. Lawyers aren't cheap, and we're wasting

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Speaker 2: positive outcome. Is all we've asked for this entire time

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Speaker 2: is a independently run AGM where all the members, the

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Speaker 2: we've gone through this legal fight now which is just

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Speaker 1: You very rightly pointed out that money should be going

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Speaker 2: The bit that makes me, you know, seek in the

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Speaker 1: Now, tell me in terms of you know, where things

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Speaker 2: No, that's not happening. There is an AGM, but unfortunately

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Speaker 2: You know, we're talking about people that have got serious

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Speaker 2: It scares me what could happen on that day.

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Speaker 1: And so that's why you've decided to step down.

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Speaker 2: I've stepped down. I just think that this is the

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Speaker 2: I know veterans out there are going to be fuming

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Speaker 1: You and so and so, where are things that like?

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Speaker 2: And myself and other committee members that have resigned as

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Speaker 1: So is it a situation here where the old guard

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Speaker 1: I mean, was any of this prompted by the discussion

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Speaker 2: Or is it just sort of that was service, That

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Speaker 1: There was discussed with the past.

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Speaker 2: Year I've been on the committee. Why haven't. We made

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Speaker 1: Like the thing is, you sound really passionate, and you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm a veteran. People forget people around

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Speaker 2: But I'm in a better headspace now and I want

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Speaker 1: But here we are, so we're too from here. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I remove the whole committee, start from scratch, and like

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Speaker 2: I said, put things in place of these type of

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Speaker 1: Now tell me. I mean Anzac Day is fast approaching.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that all the troubles within the RSL

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Speaker 2: Probably behind the scenes yet, But that doesn't mean we're

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Speaker 2: And I'm sure the government will get involved. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: really South Australia and t if they do close the

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Speaker 2: it won't be affecting any of the major events. I

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Speaker 2: mean Jesus Anzac Day. I'll run it myself.

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Speaker 1: Well exactly. You know you want it to go ahead

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Speaker 1: no matter what, no matter and there's no suggestion that

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Speaker 2: I think the regular things would happen. But yeah, we

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Speaker 1: So that's where too from here, you think that is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, As like I said, I've been on the committee

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Speaker 2: that are wasting that money, that is veterans money that

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Speaker 2: you are using over a little tit for tat game

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Speaker 2: of it. You know it's my RSL. No, it's my RSL.

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Speaker 2: You know, remove it.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's veterans RSL, right, and defense members RSL. It's

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Speaker 1: it's you know, not any individual or any committee members.

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Speaker 1: It's for the community. And I think that that's sometimes

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Speaker 1: what gets forgotten.

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Speaker 2: She'd totally be forgotten. It's just about the members. It's

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Speaker 2: not about the group of people including me on the committee.

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Speaker 2: It's what the members want.

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Speaker 1: Sam. To anybody out there listening this morning that thinks

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Speaker 1: you are causing trouble.

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Speaker 2: I can't swear on your reader, can I better not?

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Speaker 2: There's more to this story than there is. I witnessed

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Speaker 2: some behaviors which I didn't agree with on the committee.

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Speaker 2: I can't really publicly tell people. So I wanted to

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Speaker 2: change the culture of this committee, and I've realized that

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Speaker 2: it cannot be changed, so obviously I fought and trust me, lady,

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Speaker 2: in general, I've had more sleepless nights over this than

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Speaker 2: most of you. You know, this has affected my family,

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Speaker 2: my mental health to try and to try and get

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Speaker 2: an RSL like you know. Yeah, I have done my

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Speaker 2: best for I thoughts for veterans, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 2: and some people are going to disagree with that, and

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Speaker 2: that's fine, but you know.

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Speaker 1: You do still continue to do your best in terms

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Speaker 1: of opening those doors at the Mad Snake. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: and look to any of those veterans that are listening

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Speaker 1: this morning that are keen to come and have a

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Speaker 1: coffee and have a yarn Friday ten o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, invited, free coffee and it's great and it's it's

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Speaker 2: all ages. That's what I love about. I hate this

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Speaker 2: old guard versus young people because it's not what it's about.

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Speaker 2: We're all veterans and I just love the other week

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Speaker 2: we had four Vietnam veterans in there for a coffee

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Speaker 2: and I thought, wow, this is bloody good. So no,

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Speaker 2: it is.

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Speaker 1: It is a wonderful thing that you do with those veterans. Mate,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much for joining us this morning. I

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Speaker 1: really appreciate your time as always and no doubt we'll

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Speaker 1: talk to you again soon. Thank you, thanks listenings, thank you,

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Speaker 1: Thanks Sam