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Speaker 2: Hi, Alex, goody, Katie. Well done with the run with

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Speaker 2: That's right, And you know, governments at both levels have

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Speaker 2: Things like that, correct, then you could plan your interstate

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Speaker 2: along for that journey.

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Speaker 1: So there's been no further consultation with you guys at

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Speaker 1: this point, despite the fact that obviously any changes are

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Speaker 2: Impact correct and more for the broader community. You know,

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Speaker 2: when are we going to get digital drivers' licenses up here?

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Speaker 2: Already they're rolled out in South Australia and New South Wales.

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Speaker 2: We understand every state will go that way in the

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Speaker 2: next five years. So if we're thinking about a hardware

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Speaker 2: upgrade for the territorians get the benefit of those digital

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Speaker 2: drivers licenses, I think you and I've spoken about this before,

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Speaker 2: but you know what those jurisdiction the seeing is when

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Speaker 2: people get out and about they leaving their driver's license

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Speaker 2: at home. Now they're treating it like passport, you keep

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Speaker 2: and about if they want. When do we get that

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Speaker 2: benefit up here and before we spend any more taxpayers

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Speaker 2: money upgrading a system does that upgrade envisage this kind

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Speaker 2: of future? And if not, well let's have that discussion

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Speaker 2: of the community. BDR is marginally effective at best. How

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Speaker 2: much money are we going to continue to throw at it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, good questions, I reckon, Alex, and we might

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Speaker 1: try and have a bit more of a discussion about that.

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Speaker 1: We've got the Minister for Small Business on the show

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Speaker 1: a little later today and we will try and discuss

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Speaker 1: that a little bit further and see what we can

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Speaker 1: find out.

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Speaker 2: That's O, Kadie and look post COVID, looking forward to

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Speaker 2: just just talking to you about cold beers and delicious snitzeles.

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Speaker 1: I know mate, doesn't seem like it's going to happen

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Speaker 1: for a while though. Always good to catch up, Alex.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time this morning. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: That's hospitality and two CEO there, Alex Bruce