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Speaker 1: Get a I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter

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Speaker 1: and professional oversharer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure

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Speaker 1: because I believe it's a chance for us to learn,

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Speaker 1: grow and face our blind spots. Each week I'll interview

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Speaker 1: a different guest about their highs as well as their lows,

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Speaker 1: all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Australia House at south By Southwest podcast

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Speaker 1: live from Texas, Austin, and we are here all thanks

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Speaker 1: to the American Australian Association. Today's episode is me sitting

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Speaker 1: down and chitchatting with some big, big thinkers. We cover

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Speaker 1: so many big topics, from space to AI and what

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Speaker 1: is going to be the next big thing strapping You're

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Speaker 1: gonna loads. We also talk about why Australian coffee is

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Speaker 1: so good and my Americans love Ossie coffee. I hope

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Speaker 1: you love it. I learned loads. I think you will too.

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Speaker 1: Dennis Skrinakov, thank you so much for jumping on the

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Speaker 1: pod today. I know it was a surprise for you too,

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Speaker 1: was it.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me so you were here.

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Speaker 1: From iron I'm about to get you to nerd out

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Speaker 1: for me. So Iron seems to be doing so much

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Speaker 1: in the data center space. Sustainability is like such a

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Speaker 1: big piece of the puzzle for you guys. Absolutely this

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Speaker 1: can you teach me, like pretend I know nothing? Like

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Speaker 1: what tell me like what Iron is and what they're

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Speaker 1: like purpose?

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 4: So Iron is a vertically integrated AI data center and

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Speaker 4: platform company. So we own the land, the power, the chips,

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Speaker 4: and the infrastructure to offer the next generation AI infrastructure

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Speaker 4: in and compute for for either the enterprise or for whatever.

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Speaker 2: Company need and needs it.

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Speaker 4: Because ultimately, like chips are at are at the focal

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Speaker 4: point of AI today and the access to chips is

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Speaker 4: what we specialize it.

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Speaker 1: And talking about the sustainability piece.

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Speaker 4: Sure, So, all of our facilities and all of our

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Speaker 4: data center today are built one hundred percent renewables. So

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Speaker 4: we were in locations where there's a large influx of

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Speaker 4: renewables either wind, solar, higher electric and then purchase a

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Speaker 1: So it feels like data centers this is like all

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Speaker 1: time high right now and it's only getting more and

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Speaker 2: We're just at the beginning of the book.

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Speaker 4: Really yeah, or so the way I see it, is

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Speaker 4: we're at the very bottom of the acceleration curve. There

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Speaker 4: is a lot coming. Even today, everybody's already starting to

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Speaker 4: use AI in their day to day lives, and there's

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Speaker 4: a lot more coming.

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Speaker 1: Are we on the precipice of like this big industrial revolution?

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Speaker 4: Even in the last couple of months, it used to

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Speaker 4: be announcements were happening weekly. Now it's on a daily basis.

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Speaker 4: There's new, new and new evolutions. AI is helping us accelerate.

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Speaker 1: Okay, can you teach me as someone that uses AI,

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Speaker 1: like smart Google? How can I lean into it? Or like,

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Speaker 1: where do you see even a year from now? How

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Speaker 1: will AI be like in our lives? And how can

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Speaker 4: One of the biggest changes we've seen in the industry

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Speaker 4: agents that are operating all the time, acting as a

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Speaker 4: doing a job, autonomously doing its own research, doing its

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Speaker 1: And this is where the personality piece comes in.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because they will continuously learn, it'll continuously operate on

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Speaker 4: whatever criteria you give it. So you have it watching

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Speaker 1: How exciting is that.

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Speaker 4: I see autonomous agents starting to move into people's day

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Speaker 1: Because also, like, think of the time that it takes

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Speaker 4: One hundred percent, And the amount of compute that's going

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Speaker 4: these autonomous agents, that's where we specialize and that's why

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Speaker 1: Okay, So you have got such a broad history in

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Speaker 1: it comes to AI, Like there's also like a little

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Speaker 1: we yeah, how can we embrace it? Do we just

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Speaker 1: more by just accepting it into our day to day

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Speaker 1: like you said with the email automation? But I feel

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Speaker 1: like that feels like the tip of the iceberg.

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Speaker 4: There's a tip of the iceberg, and it's there's a

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Speaker 4: it easier to consume. Right, everyone knows the anthropics, everyone

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Speaker 4: knows they open the eyes. There's more and more players

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Speaker 2: How good?

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Speaker 1: Right, It's also like I think I told you I

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Speaker 1: an alder millennial, like my notes right here, these are

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Speaker 1: written by hand, like and I've like nerded out and

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Speaker 1: this research and he goes, why aren't you using AI

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that is one of the top use cases today

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Speaker 4: with chat GPT with Claude is do your research for you. Hey,

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Speaker 4: This is the criteria. It goes out, it searches the

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Speaker 4: stuff you can change. You can give it new criteria

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Speaker 1: It feels like a buddy.

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Speaker 2: It feels like a buddy, like a friend.

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Speaker 2: It's no longer just your therapist.

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Speaker 1: Right Okay, So obviously I understand you are Canadian, but

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Speaker 4: Spirit most the Australian culture is So I'm a West

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Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, I think there's something very like

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Speaker 2: Do you get that it's fun, it's get shitped done attitude.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, pull your socks up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, play socks up, get shit done?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you definitely feel very honorary Aussie. You're giving that energy.

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Speaker 1: What's your goal today with that? You're literally going I

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Speaker 1: You're literally going straight down. You're about to jump on

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Speaker 1: So what is your hope that people take away from

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Speaker 4: Just having an understanding of the growth and AI and

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Speaker 4: the the ultimately the benefits is right now it people

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Speaker 4: and how it will help in everyone's day to day,

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Speaker 4: will be it in their life or in their business.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I was walking to a bud the other day

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's even even my own teams. I've empowered

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Speaker 4: this is a problem, use AI, solve it. Let let

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Speaker 2: It is a different time.

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Speaker 4: There there is every time that when my guys sees

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Speaker 1: So it's like AI is the perfect problem solver and quick.

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Speaker 4: It's a quick problem solver. It's it's not the perfect

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Speaker 1: Dennis, it's been an honor to have you here on

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Speaker 1: the Australia House podcast here in Austin, Texas. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Stephen Marshall, thank thanks for jumping on.

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Speaker 3: in Austin.

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Speaker 1: Do you know I feel like I'm a fan of

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Speaker 1: three now at Australia House. I've seen you on that

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Speaker 3: Well, it's busy. I mean it's busy from the moment

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Speaker 3: you wake up to the moment you get into bed

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Speaker 3: at night. Austin really comes alive during south By Southwest.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I think it's live all the time here

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Speaker 1: As the president of the American Australian Association, you have

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Speaker 1: end of the day. So so far we're at day

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I can't We've still got more to go.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Lola, Jason Brush, Do I say that right?

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Speaker 1: I just saw you speak, so you are here from Nvidio,

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Speaker 6: I think with AI, it's funny like it got spread

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Speaker 6: one of three things. You're either training AI, which is

444
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Speaker 6: making AI. You're doing inference, which is using AI. So

445
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Speaker 6: if you ask chat, GPT something it's relevant to your

446
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Speaker 6: data or to a particular context and it has to

447
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Speaker 6: go search that. That's inference. It's inferring based off something.

448
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Speaker 6: Or there's agentic, which is the big thing of this year,

449
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Speaker 6: which is I have a virtual agent that does things

450
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Speaker 6: for me. So it could be filling in a form,

451
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Speaker 6: it could book a flight, it could I mean I

452
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Speaker 6: use an agent to send emails and delete trash. So

453
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Speaker 6: that's what's going to be the theme of twenty six

454
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Speaker 6: and beyond.

455
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Speaker 1: Is a gent Tki And isn't that like you were

456
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Speaker 1: all talking about the realness of it, like the personality

457
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Speaker 1: side of it, like super exciting.

458
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Speaker 6: So they all have names, they'll have their own email costresses.

459
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Speaker 6: I have one called Nadia Nadia Nadia, and she manages

460
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Speaker 6: my personal email and calendar and will give me a

461
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Speaker 6: heads up if I have an important email, like to

462
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Speaker 6: my Gmail for example. Yeah, and it really is just

463
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Speaker 6: trying to get away from my eyes on the phone

464
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Speaker 6: or the computer for so long because I just feel

465
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Speaker 6: like that's that's a better quality of life.

466
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Speaker 1: Well, it seems like it must save you so much time.

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Speaker 5: Oh for sure.

468
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Speaker 6: If my whole manswer is, if it's not saving you

469
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Speaker 6: an hour a day, then it's not worth it, right,

470
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Speaker 6: So I want to be saving an hour of the

471
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Speaker 6: day to either spend more time with family, hopefully you know,

472
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Speaker 6: in a perfect world, get to the gym a bit more.

473
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Speaker 1: But well, you listen to your favorite pods. I heard

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Speaker 1: you say, yeah.

475
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Speaker 6: I'm a big fan of podcasts, not music at the gym,

476
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Speaker 6: that's right.

477
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you were saying that's how you stay up

478
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Speaker 1: to date with like because this space is and this

479
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Speaker 1: is where I think people get a bit scared of AI,

480
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Speaker 1: Like it's moving so fast that it almost is like

481
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Speaker 1: you don't want to miss the boat kind of vibes.

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Speaker 1: And you were saying like, industry podcasts are a really

483
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Speaker 1: good way to stay up to date.

484
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that learning from peers and learning from

485
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Speaker 6: people rather than reading headlines is always the best way

486
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Speaker 6: to learn about things, just period.

487
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Speaker 5: But we can talk about that another day.

488
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Speaker 6: But I'm a big fan of podcasts and getting as

489
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Speaker 6: close to the source of the of the truth or

490
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Speaker 6: the news as possible.

491
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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm gonna have to get a podcast wrecky off you.

492
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm a big fan of twenty VC, which is

493
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Speaker 6: hosted by a British venture capital guy. Yeah, and hear

494
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Speaker 6: either interview founders and people in the field, and he's

495
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Speaker 6: got a week that is with other two other VC people.

496
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not political, which is what I love.

497
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Speaker 6: It's just getting kind of straight to the chase and

498
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Speaker 6: getting to AI talk so good. I recommend that one,

499
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Speaker 6: and if he's listening, then I'll happily be interviewed by.

500
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Speaker 1: Him to perfect Oh I love it. Okay, So you

501
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Speaker 1: taught me a new mantra about twenty minutes ago. What's

502
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Speaker 1: that move fast, don't sleep.

503
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's probably not a good recommendation, but

504
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Speaker 6: it's how I feel the last two months in particular.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is with everything growing and like becoming,

506
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Speaker 1: So like do you think do you think like where

507
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Speaker 1: we are now is going to be different again in

508
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Speaker 1: two months time?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

510
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Speaker 1: That's kind of scary though, right, Yeah.

511
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Speaker 5: It is the scary thing.

512
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Speaker 6: But also the exciting thing is that you basically have

513
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Speaker 6: to relearn every two months what you thought was true

514
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Speaker 6: or what you thought was like the standard is going

515
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Speaker 6: to change. It's just happening that quickly.

516
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Speaker 1: This is going to sound like a bit of an esoteric,

517
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Speaker 1: whimsical question, but how important to you is curiosity?

518
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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I'm forever curious.

519
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Speaker 6: That is like question everything, and an opinion without facts

520
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Speaker 6: is just an opinion.

521
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Speaker 5: An opinion with data is a fact. And I think

522
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Speaker 5: I messed that up a little bit, but no, you

523
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Speaker 5: did that right, Yeah.

524
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Speaker 6: Yeah, So just get to the truth and then you

525
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Speaker 6: will be able to figure out how this impacts me,

526
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Speaker 6: how I can benefit from it, And you know, don't

527
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Speaker 6: believe some of the crazy headlines out there.

528
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Speaker 1: So you just said, like how it impacts me and

529
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Speaker 1: how it can benefit from it as a millennial that

530
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Speaker 1: clearly does all my notes handwritten and researches odd school way.

531
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Speaker 1: But how can the layman, how can somebody lean into

532
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Speaker 1: this big shift?

533
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Speaker 2: Okay?

534
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Speaker 6: Example, so my best friend back in Australia is a chippy.

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Speaker 5: He's a builder.

536
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and we were working just together on an AI

537
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Speaker 6: concept and basically he went and generated a variation contract

538
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Speaker 6: that was worth three grand to him okay, And the

539
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Speaker 6: agent identified what the contract needed to be generated the

540
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Speaker 6: contract and sent it to his customer and he was like,

541
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Speaker 6: I would normally have missed that and just eaten that cost.

542
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Speaker 1: Really.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

544
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Speaker 6: So you know, my day job is to represent and

545
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Speaker 6: video ata's financial institutions in the world. But what excites

546
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Speaker 6: me just as much is those kind of outcomes.

547
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Speaker 1: And I imagine, like your chippy bud, like it's probably

548
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Speaker 1: saved so much time as well, like didn't have to.

549
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Speaker 6: That's an interesting problem is that the guys that are

550
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Speaker 6: running construction sites spend the hours after the kids go

551
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Speaker 6: to bed or whenever you're doing paperwork, right, and so

552
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Speaker 6: if you can give them back an hour of their

553
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Speaker 6: night with the kiddo, with the kids or back on

554
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Speaker 6: the on the job side.

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Speaker 5: That's a huge win.

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Speaker 1: I love it, and I think that, like like Aussie's

557
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: is so good at the work life balance thing too,

558
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Speaker 1: so we can kind of like get that back. Americans

559
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: obviously are like go go go. The whole no sleep

560
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Speaker 1: thing is like super in the Americana culture. But you

561
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Speaker 1: mentioned in video and video Sorry, what's next? Like what

562
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Speaker 1: can we get excited about?

563
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Speaker 5: Yeah? I think so.

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Speaker 6: It's our conference right now GtC out in San Jose,

565
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Speaker 6: which is the annual Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I feel like we're lucky to have you here today.

567
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

568
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I had to beg beg to be

569
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Speaker 6: out here, honestly. But my manager in case she's listening,

570
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Speaker 6: is awesome.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks Jennifer.

572
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was questioning it.

573
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Speaker 1: Yeah, what are you excited for?

574
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Speaker 6: We could get into the nerdy hardware stuff, which a

575
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 6: lot of people get excited about, but what for the

576
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Speaker 6: everyday person. What I think is personally exciting is we're

577
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Speaker 6: releasing a voice model.

578
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Speaker 5: Called Nemo Nemo Chat.

579
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and the bane of my existence is calling customer

580
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Speaker 6: service where it's a bot.

581
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

582
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Speaker 6: This voice model is going to be like talking to

583
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Speaker 6: a person where you can interrupt it, tell them they're wrong.

584
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Speaker 6: It's not going to be what's your name, Jason Brush,

585
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 6: what's your what's your you know, please help me identify you.

586
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Speaker 6: It's going to be like talking to an actual person.

587
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Speaker 1: Like a conversation.

588
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Speaker 6: So I you know, I'm all forever on the road

589
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 6: with my job, and calling American Airlines is going to

590
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 6: be just a better experience. Oh yeah, For example, I

591
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 6: don't cover American Airlines as a customer. Just for the record, Yeah, yeah,

592
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 6: I think about how that's going to impact my every

593
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Speaker 6: day and just cutting down that forty minutes of wait

594
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Speaker 6: time for a customer service problem is going to be

595
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Speaker 6: pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so cool and like more it'll feel like

597
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: way more connected as well.

598
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Speaker 5: Yeah, the person human exactly.

599
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think it'll recognize an Australian accent.

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Speaker 1: That's that's going to be refreshing.

601
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Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly. So it's going to be that's pretty cool.

602
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Speaker 6: And that's getting I think announced right now. Jensen's on stage,

603
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Speaker 6: so well, thanks.

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Speaker 1: For sharing that with us Hereah yeah. Final question. We

605
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Speaker 1: are in Australia House for south By Southwest. You obviously

606
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Speaker 1: are an Aussie, but I'm asking everyone what your favorite

607
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: thing is about the Aussie spirit like the essence of

608
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Speaker 1: an Australian.

609
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Speaker 5: Oh, that's a good question.

610
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Speaker 6: I mean, apart from the meat pie I do, I

611
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Speaker 6: just I actually am forever impressed with Australia's willingness to

612
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Speaker 6: like take risk, you know, like think about Australia back

613
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Speaker 6: in the eighteen hundreds.

614
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 5: It's like you have to grow your food or you die.

615
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Speaker 6: And I think we're a very intelligent country with a

616
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Speaker 6: lot of like we're very lucky that we have a

617
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Speaker 6: lot of natural resources and stunning beaches. But the amount

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Speaker 6: of Australians I've meant just here this week who are

619
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Speaker 6: here like hustling and doing business in Australia and spending

620
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Speaker 6: time on the road over here, I think is pretty

621
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Speaker 6: pretty cool and something I can underestimated until being out

622
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Speaker 6: here with Australia House and the Australian American Association.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh cool, Yeah, I love it. Like the readiness

624
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Speaker 1: to like jump in and take a rearskin, like you're saying,

625
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Speaker 1: pull your socks up, give it a crack, exactly, give

626
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Speaker 1: it a red hot crack. That's a very Australian saying exactly.

627
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's really cool.

628
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Jumping on the pod. I love

629
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Speaker 1: sitting down and chatting with you, and thank you for

630
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Speaker 1: teaching me. You are so wonderful.

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Speaker 5: Oh, thank you.

632
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Speaker 6: I hope somebody learned something because I'm smart and the

633
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Speaker 6: seam of things. I'm just a steals guy from Ausie.

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Speaker 1: No, you did great and like honestly, Jason, thank You've

635
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: really inspired me.

636
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Speaker 5: Thanks for the time, appreciate it.

637
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Pod, Andy Stone, my friend. I feel

638
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: like I've been a fan of you before I saw

639
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Speaker 1: you speak today because when I first moved to America,

640
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Speaker 1: going to Bluestone Lane was like such a warm hug

641
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Speaker 1: yeah for coffee in like you know when you're just

642
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: missing that Australiana. Yeah, vibe completely And we were just

643
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Speaker 1: chatting before Old Mates pub. How's it going, old mate?

644
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Speaker 7: Well, that's just a beast in itself. It's been such

645
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Speaker 7: a fun experience. And to be working both at Old

646
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Speaker 7: Mates and Bluestone with my.

647
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Speaker 2: Brother Nick, Yeah, has been has been like.

648
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Speaker 7: Just such a rewarding, you know trip for both of us.

649
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 7: You know two things, best of Australian coffee culture with

650
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Speaker 7: Bluestone and now the best best of Australian pub culture

651
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 7: as well.

652
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: So what I've seen the menu to it looks on me.

653
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Speaker 1: What do you what's your order? When you got old

654
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: mates chicken?

655
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Speaker 2: Don't call it a parme, The Fierce debates him.

656
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: So you're saying it's it's parma, not PALMEI yeah, is

657
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,239
Speaker 1: that a new South Wales Victoria thing?

658
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 5: Yeah?

659
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Speaker 2: I thought, well it's Victoria verse everywhere else.

660
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Speaker 7: And and and Eddie Buckingham, who's you know, Nick and

661
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 7: Eddie the big wigs and Andy Lee obviously the four

662
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 7: of us were all Melbourne and so so.

663
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Speaker 2: It's going to be palma.

664
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Speaker 1: Is the Melbourne way?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Think that, you know, I did.

667
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Speaker 7: I didn't have an opinion on it. But there is

668
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 7: a Victorian style parma. So there's a parma. There's a

669
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 7: Victorian style parma which has got the ham, okay, and

670
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 7: then there's a queens Land which has got par.

671
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: So what's your favorite?

672
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: I'm the Victorian style, so.

673
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: You'll have it with the ham.

674
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but I didn't.

675
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 7: Even know that you could get a parma without actually

676
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 7: having the ham.

677
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: I've never had it with ham. I not with the

678
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: like tomato sauce stuff and not so like the red

679
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: sauce and then cheese. Isn't that a parma.

680
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a chicken palm.

681
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 7: Anyway, maybe I'm going too much into it, but I've

682
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 7: always had you've got to have the ham with it.

683
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, okay, Well thank you for schooling me.

684
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: Can we talk coffee because thanks to you, I'm caffeinated

685
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: right now? And like your background, your brother's background, it

686
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,719
Speaker 1: sounds like you've just kind of like this is going

687
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: to sound really whimsical, but like you've kind of just

688
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: followed the charm from when you had that first little

689
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: tiny spot in New York. Yeah, and then it's just

690
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: grown into the beast that it is today.

691
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 7: No, it's been a fun journey. So Nick is the founder,

692
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 7: so brother, and he you know, he did it through that.

693
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 7: You know that you're starting opening line about a warm

694
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 7: hug and sing that Australian cafe culture. Well that's that's

695
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 7: what he felt.

696
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 5: You know.

697
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 7: He came across to New York chasing his then girlfriend

698
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 7: now wife and family and he was in finance and.

699
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 2: Was like, oh, you know what, I just why that?

700
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 7: Why is there no Australian cafe or that culture that

701
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 7: we missed? And it wasn't just great coffee and avocado

702
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 7: smash that everyone associates with Australian cafes, but it was

703
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 7: that sense of community and that human connection and you know,

704
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 7: that warm hug that you just described perfectly is exactly

705
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 7: what what he created originally. And then he opened a

706
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 7: handful of others, you know, and too into it the

707
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 7: spot of like, hey, you know he's going to you know,

708
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 7: he wants to, you know, resign his full time banking career.

709
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 7: Never worked in hospitality in his life, and he's going

710
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 7: to go, Okay, I'm going to do this. And that's

711
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 7: where he you know, convinced me. Tapped me on the shoulder, Hey,

712
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 7: come in, marketing guy, and yeah, ten I've clocked now

713
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,479
Speaker 7: ten years of working.

714
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exciting.

715
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,239
Speaker 7: It's been fantastic living in New York and working with

716
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 7: your brother, family, business.

717
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: Fan Bam, live in the Dream.

718
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 2: It's been fantastic.

719
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: So I'm a bit of a nerd and I deep

720
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: dive to you don't mind, and I read this article

721
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: you this interview did with Vogue. Oh yes, can you

722
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: describe Ozzie's coming to America? And the Aussie cafe culture

723
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: is like the Koala mafia, which I love still exists,

724
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: So I love it so why do you think Australians

725
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: do so well in America especially in this kind of

726
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: like uh yeah, the cafe space, the coffee space of

727
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: the pub space. Now you're like creating a new you know,

728
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 1: why do we do so well?

729
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 7: I think hospitality in general OSSI's do really well at

730
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 7: creating their you know, their vibe creators.

731
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 2: You know, everyone.

732
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 7: Is generalized speaking, but Americans know Australians from their happy,

733
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 7: go lucky, adventurous personalities, you know, and I think that

734
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 7: that needs itself to a really genuine vibe creation in

735
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 7: any type of hospitality. You know, there's a there's a

736
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 7: you know, there's doesn't matter if you're in cafes or

737
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 7: if you're in pubs or restaurants, and you can do

738
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 7: restaurants like Eddie Buckingham who's in the partnership with Nick

739
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 7: Andy Lee and myself. You know, his restaurants are Tiger Restaurant,

740
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 7: which is you know, modern Chinese and sorry that that

741
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 7: Chinese tuxedo, modern Chinese and Tiger Restaurants, which is that

742
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 7: South Asian flavor.

743
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: And he's done that extremely well.

744
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 7: So it doesn't matter if it's even Australian cuisine. You

745
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 7: can do anything you want and just creating that vibe.

746
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 7: And I think that's that's that's quintessential Australian vibe creators.

747
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we love to connect to like I

748
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: think Ozzie's like to have genuine, honest, completely like I

749
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: think it's that like true blue no bs of and

750
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: you feel that when you walk into an Australian space,

751
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: and I think Americans quite like that. They're like, oh yeah.

752
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 2: It's different, it's completely.

753
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 7: One of the points that we talked about earlier in

754
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 7: the session at Australia House was about about the people

755
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 7: side of things. You know, my background has not been

756
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 7: in HR at all and I'm looking after the people

757
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 7: of you know, thousands employees.

758
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 2: But we were able to really.

759
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 7: Kind of like digest of like what what does good

760
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 7: vibes mean? And it really goes down to the general

761
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 7: manager and employing the team and creating those human connectors,

762
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 7: the people that really want to remember your name, face

763
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 7: and order, the people that want to check in and

764
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 7: have that little sense of like what have you been

765
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 7: up to today? You know a good example of that

766
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 7: is that every every fortnight we have a mate ship

767
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 7: Monday for this Bluestone, so all the all the leaders

768
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 7: jump on and out of everything. We've got a packed

769
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 7: schedule of what's going on in the business, and we

770
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 7: talk about reviews and everything like that, but we start

771
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 7: every converse with the same fifteen to twenty minutes of

772
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 7: what are the human connection stories? What are the local

773
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 7: connection stories.

774
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: You actually said something really cool around values in the

775
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: panel discussion, and you said, we hire personality and values first,

776
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: you can teach the skills.

777
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

778
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: After that, it's way more important to have that the

779
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 1: values and the ethos that you believe in. And that's

780
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: that whole like Aussie. Yeah, vibe right that you just

781
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: started saying it completely.

782
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,959
Speaker 7: Yeah, No, I think that it can be more problematic

783
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 7: to have someone that is so caught in their ways

784
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 7: that and does not want to connect with other people

785
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 7: so you can get the best barista. Yeah, and that

786
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,479
Speaker 7: barista may be different, like they have their particular way

787
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 7: of you know, setting up a machine and how.

788
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 2: They flow through tickets.

789
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 7: That doesn't actually that isn't actually like what we would

790
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 7: that we have as our base process it. So for

791
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 7: them they sometimes this is more on product. Sometimes they

792
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 7: don't like our processes and they are actually more compatitive,

793
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 7: like combative to change their own way to fit our model,

794
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 7: and if they're not a people orientated person, it actually

795
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 7: becomes really toxic. Yeah, And so we will hire, you know,

796
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 7: not the you know that someone that is not the

797
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 7: best barista in the world or best cook in the

798
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 7: chef in the world, and we'll go for someone else

799
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 7: that just has more of the I'm just a good

800
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 7: person and I'm part of the team, and I want

801
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 7: to make sure that this all fits.

802
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

803
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 7: And we find that as well in some in hospitality,

804
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 7: in some cases with the US where I'm only doing

805
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 7: my job and my role, where in Australia it has

806
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 7: been the team effort and you have to wear multiple

807
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 7: and if an area is falling back, you know, we'll

808
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 7: give them a hand without the detriment of you know,

809
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 7: you know, leaving your space, et cetera. So it's it's

810
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 7: been it's been a Yeah, it's been a really interesting

811
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 7: journey going knowing that, oh, look that that is actually

812
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 7: the success. The success is the people side of things

813
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 7: and like leaning into the human connection.

814
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: I love it.

815
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 3: Ye.

816
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 7: And you've seen it in the market with like brands

817
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 7: like Starbucks who had gone into the super drive through,

818
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 7: you know, autonomous transaction transactional process. And now they figured

819
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 7: out actually what they had been doing for the last

820
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 7: ten years to do that convenience base model, it's been

821
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 7: completely wrong because they turned their back on the human side.

822
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: Of which we need.

823
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 7: Yeah, and so you know they're talking about, you know,

824
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 7: going back into third spaces, which they were the pioneers of,

825
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 7: you know, that type of language, you know, with Howard Shutsen.

826
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 7: So yeah, good, it's great to be you know, looking

827
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 7: at it and reflecting, going, oh, we were right.

828
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 1: And I love you. We're talking so much about the

829
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: human element of it. But I am a coffee nerd,

830
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 1: so I do want to cast and you're from Melbourne.

831
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: I'm from Melbourne. I feel like, yeah, some of the

832
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: best coffee in the world. Like, let's be real, So

833
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: what is it that makes Australia like and Melbourne such

834
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: leaders when it comes to coffee? Is it the like

835
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 1: literally post World War like Italian's coming over? My boyfriends

836
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 1: are telling you will not get out of bed until

837
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: the Cafe Tierra is on every morning, you know. So

838
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: it's such a huge part of culture. And that's where

839
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: I think I've heard you say this before, right.

840
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 7: Yeah, and you know, So the comparison of how the

841
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 7: Australian cafe culture developed at a in a different space,

842
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 7: in a different world, compared to the United States. The

843
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 7: United States went down this the drip and then pour

844
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 7: over came really really big in the specialty coffee space.

845
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 7: They always had great coffee roasters and espresso, you know, leaders,

846
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 7: but it wasn't everywhere where in Australia. We had the

847
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 7: mass migration out of Europe from World War Two.

848
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: And with that came espresso.

849
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 7: And then you mix that with the climate that we

850
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 7: have the abundance of like fresh you know, great produce,

851
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 7: you know, and then you know, the airy inviting spaces

852
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 7: create this perfect storm of what we see as Australian

853
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 7: cafe culture, which is progressive food, specialty coffee, espresso based

854
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 7: beverages and this happy, uplifting environment. And we saw over

855
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 7: the last you know, fifteen years, people were and we're

856
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 7: still seeing it today. People are consuming alcohol less, they're

857
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 7: putting more priority on sleeping better, waking up with intent

858
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 7: and then going to hatch up with friends and colleagues

859
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 7: and families at a in the day at a cafe.

860
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: One question I'm asking everybody, and I feel like you're

861
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: going to have a good answer for this is what

862
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: is one of your favorite things about the Aussie spirit,

863
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: like the essence of an Aussie.

864
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

865
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 7: I think that the happy, go lucky, the positive disposition

866
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 7: is really special. You know, you don't And there is

867
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 7: also a type of Aussie that comes to America and

868
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 7: all travels that wants to, you know, experience life outside

869
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 7: of Australia. Australia we are, you know, it is a

870
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 7: little bit of a bubble. It's a really pleasant, beautiful

871
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 7: space and I do miss it at home.

872
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 2: But to put.

873
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 7: Yourself out there and challenge yourself, you know, against the

874
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 7: world or like an international market, is you've got and

875
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 7: you've got someone that is over here that is at

876
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 7: a different I don't want to say different caliber, but

877
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 7: they really are really trying to push themselves out of

878
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 7: the box. I think that that ossie, adventurous spirit and

879
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 7: happy go lucky individual succeeds over here.

880
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 1: I also think it's that willing to give anything crack,

881
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: you know, that Aussie like I'll give it a crack.

882
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.

883
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 7: I had the imposter syndrome when I first joined yeah,

884
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 7: you know, ten years ago, I was like this surely

885
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 7: this is common sense, Like why why would I you know,

886
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 7: but it actually some of the solutions that I had

887
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 7: early on I just thought were very logical, and it's

888
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 7: that I'll give it a go, you know, that makes sense.

889
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 7: I'll just and it worked and everyone was like, oh,

890
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 7: that's good work, you know, positive, you know, work came

891
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 7: across and I look back, going, you know that it's

892
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 7: it's that it's that willingness to potentially fail, but also like,

893
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 7: just use logical sense.

894
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to give it a go. That makes sense,

895
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: it should work.

896
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good I love that you shard how

897
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: you kind of got over your imposter syndrome.

898
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

899
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: My final question for you, because you're so inspiring, but

900
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: what advice have you got for someone that's got a

901
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: passion or a dream? And like, I think it's one

902
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: thing to have the dream, but it's another thing to

903
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, I'm going to try this thing out,

904
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: or I am going to move till mary, or I

905
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: am going to you know, yeah, what advice?

906
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 7: Well, I look, I look back at myself and I was,

907
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 7: you know, I left Australia at thirty, and I think

908
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 7: that that was a really good moment to come over

909
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 7: and challenge myself. I definitely if anyone that's young, younger,

910
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 7: you know I don't, I just do it. Don't don't procrastinate,

911
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 7: just give it a go and just try to get

912
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 7: over here as much as possible. I think that I

913
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 7: look back and you know that the life lessons that

914
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,720
Speaker 7: I had was that, you know, I had a crack early.

915
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 7: I just knew that I wanted to do something overseas

916
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 7: and I was interviewing in advertising over in London and

917
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 7: New York. But so I had the willingness to do it.

918
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 7: And I think that the people that actually do it young,

919
00:44:58,160 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 7: it pays off in the future.

920
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it, Andy Stone, thank you so much

921
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: for jumping on the pod here at Australia House south

922
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: by Southwest.

923
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 7: Thanks for having me and it's been a terrific event.

924
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 7: Last night was great.

925
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

926
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Aussie know how to throw a.

927
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 1: Party and your coffee is keeping us all going.

928
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: I love it. It's been smashed to that.

929
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet I've been seeing hues every time I

930
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: go down.

931
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 7: Funny enough, even last night with an open bar was

932
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 7: espress so much, specially my teenies.

933
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 2: The coffee station was also absolutely.

934
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: So you coming in with more milk. I saw you

935
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: to a milk. Okay, this is not the time to

936
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: introduce myself to Andy, but well done and congrats on everything.

937
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: And I can't wait to check out old Mates pub

938
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: as well.

939
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me.

940
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Podmlane Heart, thank you, congrats. The space

941
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: panel was unreal wonderful.

942
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 8: We had so much fun up there.

943
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: So much fun. Okay, do you know what I love

944
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: about you and your bio? Oh self proclaimed space Heck?

945
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,959
Speaker 1: Yeah so And I know Sergiosa at the start, don't

946
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: ask why space? But why space?

947
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 8: Why space?

948
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 9: I think for me, it's just that that endless opportunity

949
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 9: and the drive of humans desire to explore. I think

950
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 9: growing up as an American, there's a lot of what

951
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 9: I have now learned is kind of problematic language that

952
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 9: we use about space exploration, and we tie it to

953
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 9: westward expansion in the United States, and we use words

954
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 9: like colonizing space.

955
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 8: We're trying very.

956
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 9: Hard not to use those those types of words and

957
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 9: metaphors anymore. But the pure exploration of space, I think

958
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 9: is still something very beautiful.

959
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: Oh and that sounds beautiful. Whatever that language face. Okay,

960
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: So I'm so excited to talk about your passions and

961
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: everything you're doing right now because I feel like you're

962
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: in this really cool transition career wise.

963
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 8: Cool, maybe scary, Yes, I like the true together.

964
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: But before that, you work for NASA, right, yep, and

965
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: tell me if I'm saying this correct. This was a

966
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: more than seven billion dollar projects. Yes, the Lunar Gateway Program.

967
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 2: Correct.

968
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: So for the non space nerds out there, that's literally

969
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: a mini space station on the moon or around the Moon.

970
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 9: You got it right, on the second half, a small

971
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 9: space station that will orbit the Moon. Yes, yeah, part

972
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 9: of NASA's Otemis Enterprise, which is NASA's plan return to

973
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 9: the Moon after the Apollo program.

974
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 3: Huh.

975
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 9: It's actually a quite poetic name because Otemis in.

976
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 8: Greek mythology is the sister of Apollo.

977
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 9: So it indicates you know, that next phase, but also

978
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,479
Speaker 9: doing this in a slightly different way.

979
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, to bring in the feminine a woman.

980
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: I like that.

981
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 8: Yeah.

982
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: Oh sign me up. Okay, So and you will put

983
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: like your role was very like business operations.

984
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 9: Yes, yeah, So the Gateway Program is the program that

985
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 9: I worked on, and I was the business manager. You know,

986
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 9: we have a specific title for that in NASA speak,

987
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 9: but the equivalent role would be like a CFO COO

988
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 9: type role if this program was a company.

989
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're a space ned Yeah, it sounds like

990
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,439
Speaker 1: a pretty dream kind of Oh.

991
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 8: It was absolutely a dream job.

992
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: Yes, but something inside you was like, hang on off,

993
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 1: what all the dreams?

994
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 8: Yes?

995
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 9: And there were things that were changing last year at NASA.

996
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 9: NASA was going through a pretty significant proposed change and

997
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 9: a downsizing in the workforce. So I was a civil servant.

998
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 9: I worked directly for the US government, and many civil

999
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 9: servants were encouraged to leave government, and I took one

1000
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 9: of the buyouts. It gave me time to step away

1001
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 9: and think about what was really important in my life.

1002
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 9: I focused on my marriage and my partnership with my husband.

1003
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 9: I focused on my health, and then I discovered some

1004
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 9: new passions.

1005
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: Okay, this is what I really want to explore as

1006
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: a writer. Also, you've written a book. I did a

1007
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: sci fi.

1008
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 8: Yes, a sci fi romance of naturally.

1009
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, talk to me, can you? So where's it at?

1010
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:16,240
Speaker 1: Have you as it finished?

1011
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 9: So I am currently on draft number three, which I'm

1012
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 9: going to declare is my final draft. So I had

1013
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 9: never done anything like this. I didn't I didn't have

1014
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 9: a dream of being an author. I always kind of

1015
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 9: toye around, you know, in the future, what would your

1016
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 9: pen name be? But I did not have a writing

1017
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 9: background or a storytelling background. Looking back at it now,

1018
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 9: I'm starting to see some interesting connections, because if you've

1019
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 9: ever seen a truly excellent PowerPoint presentation, it's storytelling, right,

1020
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 9: and it's that through line. It's making sure that you

1021
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 9: hit all the beats. So a very strange thing happened.

1022
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 9: I turned in my badge at NASA on a Thursday,

1023
00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:00,760
Speaker 9: an incredibly emotional, grief filled day, and by that following Monday,

1024
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 9: I had the first three chapters of this book written

1025
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 9: and it just came pouring out of me. And for

1026
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 9: the next several months, I wrote and wrote and wrote.

1027
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 9: I got to a first full draft last October, provided

1028
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 9: that to beta readers as well as the developmental editor,

1029
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 9: incorporated that feedback into draft too, and now I'm close

1030
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 9: to finishing draft three, which will be pretty close to

1031
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 9: final How good.

1032
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, do we have any idea of release date or

1033
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: anything like that?

1034
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1035
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 9: I am targeting self publishing, and I would think it

1036
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 9: would be really poetic to have it release around the

1037
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 9: time that I left NASA, so about a year later,

1038
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 9: So that would be a July August time frame this year.

1039
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: Oh, I love it.

1040
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 9: It's a sporty target, to be honest, but I can

1041
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 9: That's a quick chat.

1042
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 1: And that's what's so cool about self publishing. You're the boss.

1043
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 9: You can and you can go so much faster than

1044
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 9: the traditional publishing route. I honestly had no idea how

1045
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 9: this industry worked. It is a completely new language to me,

1046
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 9: new requirements, new players. And really, when you finish a

1047
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 9: book and you're going that traditional publishing route, you might

1048
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 9: not see that on bookshelves for two years. Oh yeah,

1049
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 9: reasonable timeline, right, yeah yeah, yeah, so, and I have

1050
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 9: a sense of urgency.

1051
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 8: I want to get this out in the world.

1052
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you tell me. I live in Los Angeles,

1053
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 1: so if you do a book signing or something, I

1054
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 1: want my sign copy.

1055
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 8: Absolutely. Yeah.

1056
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: Well, I'm so excited for you.

1057
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1058
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: And you've also started a business with your husband as well. Yes, absolutely,

1059
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: so this sounds really cool. So this is about getting everybody,

1060
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: yes to space, Yes, can you share a little bit.

1061
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 8: Absolutely so.

1062
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 9: My husband is an emergency doctor. He's a physician. If

1063
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 9: you're watching the show The Pit right now, he's doctor Robbie.

1064
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 9: So you know, his day job is being the physician

1065
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 9: in charge of the emergency department, but he is also

1066
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 9: a space nerd at heart. He also worked at NASA

1067
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 9: for many years and something called the Human Research Program,

1068
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 9: and he focused on developing the systems that will be

1069
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 9: necessary to take care of the human body in space

1070
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 9: during long distance, long duration space so something a little

1071
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 9: bit you know, further out than what we do today

1072
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 9: on the International Space Station. And when he left NASA,

1073
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 9: we set up this business because we realize there are

1074
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 9: so many commercial companies out there who want to get

1075
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 9: involved in human spaceflight and maybe they do not have

1076
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 9: the expertise or like a flight surgeon like NASA does

1077
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 9: on staff. And you know what, they don't need that

1078
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 9: full time, especially in the early design phases. A doctor

1079
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 9: is expensive. You don't need a full time CMO, a

1080
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 9: chief medical officer. You could buy that expertise by the yard.

1081
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 9: So that's the service that we offer.

1082
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: How cool? Yeah, oh, I love it. You're a good

1083
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: combat you two.

1084
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, oh, space power couple, that's what we go for.

1085
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 1: I love it. It would have taken a lot of

1086
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: guts and courage to on that Thursday or that day

1087
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: to hand your badge in at NASA and be like,

1088
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to take a gamble on myself, like and

1089
00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: like almost kind of change career.

1090
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 8: Told yes very much.

1091
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 9: So, you know, even though I've started a company and

1092
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 9: I am consulting for a couple of clients right now

1093
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 9: in the space industry, it was it was an incredibly

1094
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 9: difficult decision, and I spent a lot of time talking

1095
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 9: to my friends, my family, my therapist about identity because

1096
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 9: for fifteen years I was able to meet someone like

1097
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:23,879
Speaker 9: you and say, Hi, I'm am I.

1098
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 8: Work for NASA.

1099
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 9: And when you can't say that anymore, when you're walking

1100
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 9: away from what was a dream job, yeah who am I?

1101
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 8: What do I want out of this life?

1102
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 9: And what this really did was provide an opportunity to

1103
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 9: kind of take a gap year in my early forties.

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Speaker 9: Very few people get to do that and really focus

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Speaker 9: in on what do you want the rest of your

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Speaker 9: life to be? Like, what are the little things that

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Speaker 9: you need to focus on? What's important day today? And

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00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 9: being able to slow down, take walks, spend more time

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Speaker 9: with my dog, not feel like I have to drive

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Speaker 9: from point A to point B so fast to get

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Speaker 9: to a meeting anymore.

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Speaker 8: It was freeing. It was really nice.

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Speaker 9: There was a lot of anxiety, but it gave me

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Speaker 9: space to breathe.

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Speaker 1: Also, your dog is so cute. Chocolate lab, right.

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Speaker 8: Chocolate lab.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, her name's Miko. It's an acronym from mean Engine

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Speaker 9: cut off.

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Speaker 8: It's part of it and.

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Speaker 9: Has an Instagram, which, to the listener Nicko, the lab

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Speaker 9: with undersquares.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing. Yeah, No, I just feel like it's so

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Speaker 1: I changed careers in my mid thirties and people would

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Speaker 1: say to me, oh, you're old to change your career,

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Speaker 1: and I remember being like, oh, I feel like this

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Speaker 1: is Yes, it's scary, but it's also incredibly freeing. And

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Speaker 1: I love that you mentioned therapy as well, because I

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Speaker 1: think if you've got the right mental health support, you

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Speaker 1: can become fearless and have the courage to go. Do

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Speaker 1: you know what I want to try this. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to scratch this itch over here, which might have been

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Speaker 1: sitting down and writing an incredible manuscript or being like stuff,

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Speaker 1: but I'm going to my husband and I are going

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Speaker 1: to go into business together. Like that takes really good

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Speaker 1: self awareness and being able to go, yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: an identity change. But how exciting is it.

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Speaker 9: To find that excitement I think instead of the fear

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Speaker 9: is really important and then be able to kind of

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Speaker 9: stand up for yourself. When you meet old colleagues who

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Speaker 9: say things like that, and they're probably not coming from

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00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 9: a truly negative place, they're confused because that is something

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Speaker 9: that they've never really considered. So their automatic response is, oh,

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Speaker 9: how could you or you know, aren't you scared? Or

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Speaker 9: how are you going to pay rent? And you know

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Speaker 9: it's it's yeah, okay, we had some stuff to work

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Speaker 9: out here, but so far, so good for my business.

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Speaker 9: I'm really excited about that.

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Speaker 1: So my question is if somebody does have a passion

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Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, I think I've got to take

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Speaker 1: the plunge and do the scary thing, what advice have

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Speaker 1: you got for somebody around.

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Speaker 8: That one life to live do it? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they're just yum.

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Speaker 8: I guess I've become a hashtag yolo person.

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Speaker 1: Now today we are in Australia house here south by Southwest.

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Speaker 1: What do you like about the Australian spirit?

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Speaker 9: You know, this is going to be a little bit

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Speaker 9: of a meandering answer, but bear with me. Growing up

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Speaker 9: as an American, I think you have a instilled pride

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Speaker 9: and a sense of superiority in being very honest about

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Speaker 9: our place in the world.

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Speaker 8: And as I screw.

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Speaker 9: Up and realized maybe that is not entirely accurate in

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Speaker 9: terms of the United States, I developed a really strong

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Speaker 9: sense of cynicism. And it took meeting an Australian man.

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Speaker 9: His name is Michael Brett. He does quantum computing work.

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Speaker 9: It's super cool, and he's the one who helped me

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Speaker 9: reframe my view of my whole country. And he did

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Speaker 9: that as an immigrant to the United States, talking about

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Speaker 9: the United States still being the land of opportunity, and

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Speaker 9: that was I'm very grateful to Michael for helping me

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Speaker 9: kind of reset my brain and finding my love for

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Speaker 9: country again.

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Speaker 8: But that came from his ussy like.

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Speaker 1: Heart and.

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Speaker 9: In view of what he could achieve in the world.

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Speaker 9: And I just see so much future focus and respect

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Speaker 9: for culture and Aboriginal culture. It embedded in the Australian

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Speaker 9: outlook that I think is noble and should be emulated.

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Speaker 1: Look at you. I've love chatting to you. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. Thank you for being here at the American

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Speaker 1: Australian Association today and you honestly spoke so beautifully on

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Speaker 1: the panel and today on the pod, and Emma, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to get your book, so you need to stay

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Speaker 1: in touch with me and let me know when it

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00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: comes out, and maybe we'll have to have another podcast

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Speaker 1: around the book when it's out.

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Speaker 8: I would love to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, thank you. So there you have it.

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Speaker 1: I hope you love that chat and I hope you

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Speaker 1: learned loads from it. I know I did. Big thank

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Speaker 1: you to the Australia House Partners, Iron, the Australian Department

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Speaker 1: of Foreign Affairs and Trade, Investment, New South Wales, Realtor,

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Speaker 1: dot Com, Bluestone Lane and Crossbow. Tune in next week

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Speaker 1: for our next episode, again from Australia House at south

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Speaker 1: By Southwest. That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing.

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Speaker 1: As always, thank you to our guests and let's continue

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