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Speaker 1: We know that homelessness is being put in the spotlight

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Speaker 1: this week and it is aiming to raise awareness of

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Speaker 1: the contributing factors and the funds that are needed to

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Speaker 1: support those in need of support. And joining me in

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Speaker 1: Homelessness Week and how things are going in the territory

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Speaker 1: at the moment is the CEO of NT Shelter, Peter McMillan.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Peter, Good morning Katie, how are

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Speaker 1: you any really well? Thanks so much for joining us now.

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Speaker 2: Firstly, tell us a little.

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Speaker 1: Bit more about what Homelessness Week is all about.

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Speaker 2: Well, National Homelesses This week has been going for quite

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Speaker 2: some years now and it's really to create awareness of

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Speaker 2: the problem, the significant problem and the growing problem that

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Speaker 2: Australia faces with homelessness. It's interesting because Australia is one

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Speaker 2: of the more prosperous countries in the world and in

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Speaker 2: terms of the OECD countries, we're actually the country only

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Speaker 2: behind New Zealand to have the highest rates of homelessness

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Speaker 2: despite being a very prosperous country, and here in a

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Speaker 2: northern territory we have ten times the rate of Australia's homelessness,

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Speaker 2: which is very significant. So homeless this Week serves a

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Speaker 2: number of purposes. It really creates awareness that we've got

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Speaker 2: year's theme is to win homelessness. We need a plan

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Speaker 2: and never could a true word have been said about that.

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Speaker 2: But I think the other thing about homeless this Week

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Speaker 2: too is to remember to stop and think about the

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Speaker 2: people who end up into homelessness. A lot of us

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Speaker 2: all have preconceived ideas around what causes homelessness. We all

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Speaker 2: probably have memories from when we were little of seeing

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Speaker 2: people who are homeless and come to conclusions and sometimes

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Speaker 2: I guess people have a tendency to think well people

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Speaker 2: and this is a week to stop and acknowledge the

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Speaker 2: a whole lot of circumstances in life where people need

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Speaker 2: a little bit of help to get their lives back

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Speaker 2: that they can afford well.

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Speaker 1: And this is the thing at the moment you did

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Speaker 1: just touch on it, that cost of living. We speak

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Speaker 1: about it so regularly on this show. How much of

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Speaker 1: a role is that rising cost of playing on homelessness

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Speaker 1: in the territory At the moment, it.

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Speaker 2: Look it's having a very significant impact. We're seeing a

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Speaker 2: lot of extra people presentding for services who need financial

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Speaker 2: money goes out the door very quickly. There's never enough

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Speaker 2: it's no real surprise is that with inflation going up,

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Speaker 2: that's mainly because we just don't have enough properties to rent,

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Speaker 2: So we've got some really big challenges in homelessness, and

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Speaker 2: I think this week is really an opportunity to say,

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Speaker 2: and should we do to not only meet the needs

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Speaker 1: Well, this is it, and I know that nationally Saint

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Speaker 1: I mean, Peter, is it a trend that we are

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Speaker 2: I think almost every day now, Katie, you can read

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Speaker 2: the family that says, I could never believe that I

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Speaker 2: it sadly if you don't have you know, if you

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Speaker 2: number of times on this program, half of your listeners

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Speaker 2: then of course something's got to give and either the

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Speaker 2: skimming back on meals or other cost, health costs. Something's

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Speaker 2: UK do you know, we just can't get the jobs.

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Speaker 2: We can't get the workers to come to the Northern

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Speaker 2: is absolutely perplexing to me is that over the last

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Speaker 2: eighteen months we've been having a review of residential tendancy's wars.

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Speaker 2: So these are the laws that make it fair and

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Speaker 2: reasonable for renters and landlords alike. And we've said time

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Speaker 2: what's the government doing to maybe have my back, So.

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Speaker 1: Peter, is that a review that was happening here in

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Speaker 2: It was with basically with two weeks. Now it was

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Speaker 2: an Act that's modern and not lagging the chain. And

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Speaker 2: it doesn't mean that we get everything that we want, Katie,

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Speaker 2: but we at least think we should have a conversation

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Speaker 2: the Act have got things in place like you can

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Speaker 2: put rents up each year, sure, but let's make it

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Speaker 2: CPI plus ten percent but not forty percent or thirty percent.

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Speaker 2: And look, landlord's out there will be saying, well, that's

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Speaker 2: I'm a land more too, But I mean you've got

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Speaker 2: conversation and not even be able to have that conversation

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Speaker 2: get that change. With mister Paik. You know, he's a

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Speaker 2: pretty in our experience, it's been a good fella and

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Speaker 2: willing to listen to arguments about this, but previously it's

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Speaker 2: when people are hurting out there.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, if you could give us sort of

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Speaker 1: one take home message today on Homelessness Week.

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Speaker 2: What is it We new need a plan. We need

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Speaker 2: to look at what it's going to take to end homelessness,

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Speaker 2: which is a commitment to building more social and affordable housing.

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Speaker 2: Our population grown across Australia by twenty five percent over

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Speaker 2: we clearly we need more housing and encouragingly, the federal

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Speaker 2: more homes over the next five years across Australia. Certainly

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Speaker 2: we need our share of those. In the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 2: We're getting some housing built in the remote original community,

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Speaker 2: which is absolutely essential. That continues, but we need to

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Speaker 2: do a lot more and government needs to be more ambitious,

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Speaker 2: we believe, as to ramping up the number of housing

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Speaker 2: builds over the coming years. Finally, for Northern Territory, we

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Speaker 2: our homeless system, despite having twelve times the rate of homelessness.

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Speaker 2: It's one of those historic mistakes that's been made. We

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Speaker 2: in the next National Housing and Homelessess Agreement, with Third

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Speaker 2: and that's exactly the argument that applies to homelesses as well,

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Speaker 2: that we get a fair share, Katie Well.

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Speaker 1: Peter McMillan from NT Shelter, the CEO of NT Shelter,

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Speaker 1: we always appreciate your time. I think it's always important

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Speaker 1: for people to understand, you know, how Territorians are at

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Speaker 1: the moment struggling in a lot of ways, particularly when

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Speaker 1: it comes to having a home. And as you've said,

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Speaker 1: you know we want to be the comeback capital. We've

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Speaker 1: got to make sure people have got places to live.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Katie. And if people are out there that are

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Speaker 2: experiencing homelessess or know someone who's at risk of experienced homelessness,

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Speaker 2: then check out our homelessess website www dot shelter, me

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Speaker 2: dot org dot au. Where's is an online directory of

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Speaker 2: services for help that's available.

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Speaker 1: Good on you, Peter, Thank you so much for you

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Speaker 1: chat this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you