Speaker 1: Flex and Frooms. Flex and Frooms. This is the Flex
Speaker 1: and Frooms.
Speaker 2: Catch Up podcast.
Speaker 1: Another day, another party and thank goodness for that.
Speaker 3: And we have a very exciting guest. I am so excited.
Speaker 3: She is my favorite comedian. Everybody. It's Hajuang. She is
Speaker 3: from China. She's come to Australia three years ago. She
Speaker 3: has a lot of observations about our culture versus their culture.
Speaker 3: She blew up on social media in China and was,
Speaker 3: how do I say butrate it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't get a lot of feedback from the homeland. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, it is what it is. She's not
Speaker 1: fast by it.
Speaker 4: I am so interested to hear what all your comedian
Speaker 4: friends in particular think about you grounding them as not
Speaker 4: your favorite comedian.
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, but it is what it is. At
Speaker 3: this point, she just was very spectacular. I'm a breath
Speaker 3: of fresher here with Flex and Frooms.
Speaker 1: Let's go. This is Flex and Frooms on Kaita.
Speaker 3: We were talking a few days ago about period trackers.
Speaker 3: There is a period track I use. I decided, oh
Speaker 3: my god, maybe they actually might be stealing my data.
Speaker 3: I freak out and I want to delete it.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's stealing if you gave it to them.
Speaker 3: No, that's that's a whole other that's a whole other
Speaker 3: kind of worms. And it got me thinking because then
Speaker 3: we spoke about it, and you and Mikayla, our producer,
Speaker 3: said I'm just going to do the period tracking manually
Speaker 3: in a diary and I was like, well.
Speaker 4: And I said no, because you're not getting any of
Speaker 4: the perks of manual tracking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, I need that notification with manual tracking.
Speaker 3: But it got me thinking, like I have made a
Speaker 3: physical diary before, as well as I've written things in notes.
Speaker 3: What would I rather be corrupted? Would I rather the
Speaker 3: physical diary by read by someone I love who has
Speaker 3: full access to like the characters in the diary and
Speaker 3: it's probably about them. Or would I rather a benevolent
Speaker 3: force or perhaps cloud hack out the cloud to disseminate
Speaker 3: the information to people I don't know? For profit?
Speaker 1: What's in your diary? No mean, what is in my diary?
Speaker 4: Because for me, anything that I journal like and I
Speaker 4: don't hold myself to a consistent journal standard anymore, but
Speaker 4: anything I did were dreams that I have, which I
Speaker 4: would be like, listen to my dream or another outlet
Speaker 4: to rehash the same topic I've talked about forty five
Speaker 4: times for view, just in written format.
Speaker 3: You see, you are unusual, I think for the majority
Speaker 3: of people. And I want Jordan and Mickey in the
Speaker 3: way in way In to weigh in. For me, I've
Speaker 3: always sort of diaries as a place to figure out
Speaker 3: your emotions and your interactions with people, like a journal,
Speaker 3: like journal, like when you're a kid, you've got the
Speaker 3: journal that has like the digital lock on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but how is that how you're using it
Speaker 1: right now?
Speaker 4: Are you putting things in your diary that you're not
Speaker 4: gonna unpack with other people, things about relationships?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You know, I've done it before, and I've been I've
Speaker 3: done it in the past, and I've been glad to
Speaker 3: do it because I look back and I can see
Speaker 3: a day to day thing of how my feelings changed. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and that's priceless.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: When you sometimes doing you write a physical diary, I
Speaker 3: think there's a part of you that wants it to
Speaker 3: be found. Maybe subconsciously, I mean I don't want to
Speaker 3: be but potentially see that like you're putting out into the.
Speaker 1: And then you put your little lock on it and
Speaker 1: someone like, Hey, I hope maybe nobody sees this.
Speaker 4: That's your You're in your your spectator, your constant state
Speaker 4: of being the observer and the observed.
Speaker 1: Is someone going to see this? I hope someone doesn't
Speaker 1: see this.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: I think people think like that. I'm talking about like
Speaker 3: that teenage particularly that you're talking now. No, no, no,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't write no, I'm talking about in the past,
Speaker 3: and I've written like.
Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know what I thought. Then what are
Speaker 4: you thinking? I thought right now, like would you rather
Speaker 4: if you were holding a digital diary or a physical one?
Speaker 1: What would you rather be? I thought what you.
Speaker 4: Were saying is the chances of your physical diary being
Speaker 4: compromised is by someone who actually quite knows you well,
Speaker 4: and it's like one or two people. But then the
Speaker 4: digital version is like the hacker and like could go
Speaker 4: to the world or no one.
Speaker 3: I'm just right that it seems like an obvious Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: what do you think, Miki?
Speaker 4: I think it'd be more incriminal to leak my notes
Speaker 4: up until we could get so much in.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: The drafted text my journal is just my manifesting.
Speaker 4: The journal is the manifesting place and sometimes put a
Speaker 4: little bit extra context. So you know, like I think
Speaker 4: when I write in my journal, it's when I'm trying
Speaker 4: to workshop a very specific thing, but I.
Speaker 1: Always slick it. I don't care I flipped the switch.
Speaker 4: I'm kind of like, Okay, I'm board of pining. Let's
Speaker 4: start getting the witches to get them to work, get
Speaker 4: them to work.
Speaker 1: What do we want? What do we want?
Speaker 3: Maybe I'll go home and do that tonight.
Speaker 4: I want a bajillion dollars not correct money, definitely not corrupt.
Speaker 4: Instagram isn't fun anymore.
Speaker 1: But why?
Speaker 4: That's the thing about these conversations that happen on mass
Speaker 4: on the internet. We rarely get to the why. And look,
Speaker 4: we're not looking for answers, but some context that helps
Speaker 4: us understand what's going on.
Speaker 3: Please.
Speaker 4: Turns out, teen Vogue has a few answers for you,
Speaker 4: in the form of an article that talks about how
Speaker 4: the re reason why a lot of us hate Instagram
Speaker 4: is because we don't understand the building pressure of trying
Speaker 4: to like depict ourselves in this perfect blend of candid
Speaker 4: and curated, and that we don't understand that to be
Speaker 4: at odds with each other in such an obvious active
Speaker 4: way is the issue. It's not the fact that the
Speaker 4: feed is not in chronological order. Oh, it's not the
Speaker 4: fact that you've got to arrange your messages from primary
Speaker 4: to general horrible, horrible stuff. It's not the fact that
Speaker 4: you know sometimes someone's close friends. No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 4: The thing that is plaguing us is our interaction with
Speaker 4: the app that we don't want to change because at
Speaker 4: one point it's served a really important purpose.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: So this article called trying to get your CRUSH's attention
Speaker 4: on Instagram can emotionally break You by Ameu on teen Vogue.
Speaker 4: It's a reported essay, which we love, but the whole
Speaker 4: article talks about the self inflicted negative emotional impact of
Speaker 4: trying to manipulate your crush.
Speaker 1: And I was like, where is this going?
Speaker 4: And I'm very fascinated with just any kind of online
Speaker 4: publication that still writes op eds and like these personal essays,
Speaker 4: because right now we get people's draft thoughts in these
Speaker 4: fifteen second draft thoughts, but when someone writes a ten
Speaker 4: thousand word essay one thousand.
Speaker 1: Word you're like, yeah, you meant that.
Speaker 4: So the opening paragraph of the essay says, Nia sat
Speaker 4: with her friend group at Denny's in South Beach when
Speaker 4: she opened her Snapchat to see her crush also at
Speaker 4: Denny's at the location forty minutes away in the Miami suburbs.
Speaker 4: In hopes of casually running into him, she packed her
Speaker 4: friends back into the car and sped to the other
Speaker 4: side of town in a record breaking twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: He wasn't there when she.
Speaker 4: Arrived, but she still posted a photo to her Snapchat
Speaker 4: story sitting at one of the booths. Her crush replied
Speaker 4: an hour later, Yo, you're at Denny's. Two success, and
Speaker 4: then goes on to say that she didn't know when
Speaker 4: the exact day her Instagram story posts changed from a
Speaker 4: casual portrayal of her day to day to a quest
Speaker 4: to catch a CRUSH's attention, but that she recognizes the
Speaker 4: flow on effect from all parts of her life that
Speaker 4: when did things that she did for joy or just
Speaker 4: because she wanted to do them turned into this manipulative
Speaker 4: way to be seen as someone who is smarter than
Speaker 4: she really is, prettier than she really is, more social
Speaker 4: than she really is. And Instagram provides a perfect platform
Speaker 4: for that because as we've grown to use it, we
Speaker 4: want to use it in the most, the easiest and
Speaker 4: most validating way. Right, perhaps you really could be out
Speaker 4: there having the most critical discussion, writing essays, connecting earnestly.
Speaker 1: With your people.
Speaker 4: But all you could just not or you could just
Speaker 4: read memes and use it the thirst strap or whatever
Speaker 4: you want to do. But this idea of like not
Speaker 4: recognizing when you're doing that dopamine math, Like how much
Speaker 4: of this will it take to feel good? How many
Speaker 4: times do I need to scroll so it's enough? And
Speaker 4: I feel like I've scrolled enough? How many times do
Speaker 4: I need to post and get a compliment before I
Speaker 4: feel good about the app? And I feel like the
Speaker 4: dopamine math is the secret path. The people are not clocking,
Speaker 4: like the amount of time you need to use the
Speaker 4: app to feel good. You've invested too much time on
Speaker 4: the platform.
Speaker 3: It's so, what's the antidote?
Speaker 1: Get off the apps makes you feel bad? You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I don't want to hear it because.
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, at one point, maybe one compliment
Speaker 4: from one friend would have been enough, but then you've
Speaker 4: seen influences get five hundred compliments with five hundred friends.
Speaker 1: It's not enough for you.
Speaker 4: The whole thing feels like you need to invest way
Speaker 4: more than you can get out of it.
Speaker 1: So jump off it, classic kids, This is flex and
Speaker 1: rooms on.
Speaker 3: Cater As we always say when we have a guest
Speaker 3: in the show, we don't often bring guests in.
Speaker 1: I reckon, we've had ten guests. No, that's too many,
Speaker 1: seven seven.
Speaker 3: Guests across twelve months of doing this show. However, when
Speaker 3: we encounter excellence, it must be shared with the broader public.
Speaker 3: Here at CATA a few weeks ago, or maybe it
Speaker 3: was a few months it was the beginning of the
Speaker 3: Sydney Comedy Festival and I was invited to the Garlamp,
Speaker 3: which is the beginning of the festival. They bring a
Speaker 3: diverse range of comedians.
Speaker 1: She's read the press, please you know.
Speaker 3: And there was one comedian that I saw who was
Speaker 3: hands down the funniest comedian I have seen at.
Speaker 1: Least all years.
Speaker 3: I was literally sitting on the edge of my seat
Speaker 3: like looking at my friend trying not to scram I
Speaker 3: can't feel like you're the funny And in a very
Speaker 3: very exciting turn of events, we have her in the studio.
Speaker 5: It is Ho Huang and how I am pretty single,
Speaker 5: I'm in my thirties and very horny for love.
Speaker 2: And visa sponsorship.
Speaker 3: We're very excited to have you on the show.
Speaker 1: Welcome.
Speaker 2: Oh hi, thank you guys, thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: Super excited.
Speaker 3: Tell us about your experience with the Gala. Have you
Speaker 3: done a gala at Sydney before? Is your first time?
Speaker 3: Give us a bit of history on you.
Speaker 2: Please, Yeah, it's my first time doing the Gala with
Speaker 2: the Comedy Festival here in Sydney, so it was very
Speaker 2: cool to experience that. I think on the lineup, I'm
Speaker 2: the probably least experience. All of them have a more
Speaker 2: than a decade of experience, like ten years and stuff.
Speaker 2: It must impact Yeah, maybe because I'm new, like my
Speaker 2: face is new to general public. And also I have
Speaker 2: such a strong opinion Yeah, which about myself about everyone else?
Speaker 3: Your show was called bad Bitch Perfect. How do you
Speaker 3: describe it?
Speaker 2: It is so funny because like my first is funny.
Speaker 2: You know, the name is funny. Yeah, because like when
Speaker 2: I first thought about the show, how to name my
Speaker 2: first solo. Originally, I have so many names with it,
Speaker 2: so like boils down to tough cookie. So when I
Speaker 2: get my tattoo, I have a tattoo on a very
Speaker 2: private part of my body.
Speaker 1: As friends, do you really I do? If we tell
Speaker 1: you where friends of tattoos, we tell us what yours is?
Speaker 3: Okay, cool, Okay, So my tattoo picture my ass right
Speaker 3: in mind.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, I have never seen it moderately size
Speaker 4: you could like you could gather, you could.
Speaker 2: Gather flat generic white girls.
Speaker 1: The crack is quite.
Speaker 4: Low, so low, long back, long back, very long back,
Speaker 4: great shape. And then as we kind of imagine the bump,
Speaker 4: cleavage and it's dipping into crack if you spread cheeks slightly. Okay,
Speaker 4: just at the very apex of crack is a little tiny.
Speaker 3: Tattoo of an alien.
Speaker 1: An outline, not detailed line.
Speaker 3: It's it's an emoji style alien, really like delicate, refined.
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: It's really done.
Speaker 2: My tattoo is not really adventurous. That that's yours, just
Speaker 2: meaning between my boobs, there's a weed, not weed, there's
Speaker 2: a tree butt like a small tree.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a small tree.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Both crease, yeah, both creasy jab That amazing. I feel
Speaker 4: closer to you already.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So when my tattoo artist did it and he said,
Speaker 2: you don't worr about it because like it hurts right,
Speaker 2: It's like a very tender part of your body. And
Speaker 2: then they were like, oh no, no, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2: I think you're a tough cookie. You can handle it.
Speaker 2: So I just like that phrase just leave with me.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I wasn't gonna name my first
Speaker 2: show as tough Cookie, but I went to Australian Got
Speaker 2: Talent and then the clip went viral and they will
Speaker 2: travel back to China. I guess so much like hate
Speaker 2: comments on the like specific jokes, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be bad bitch. So when I told my
Speaker 2: best friend here and I was like, that's the right tato.
Speaker 3: It fits you more.
Speaker 2: Tough cookie always thinks nah, and you're not tough. You
Speaker 2: just so bad.
Speaker 1: It's like self self value it. Yeah, yeah, I was cool.
Speaker 2: Okay, name it?
Speaker 3: I heard you actually won an award? What was it?
Speaker 1: I so a lot?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Best newcomer?
Speaker 1: What is best newcome up for the whole year?
Speaker 4: Huge?
Speaker 1: Can I get around with clause in the studio? Please?
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, super honored, incredible, incredible. Now we
Speaker 3: love to play a little game here. Was never gimmicky,
Speaker 3: always just to get to know our favorite guests. You
Speaker 3: make a lot of self depreating jokes about race, and
Speaker 3: we'd love for you to let loose on some weird
Speaker 3: things that Australians do.
Speaker 1: You fill it out. What are you noticing about Australians.
Speaker 1: That's just like.
Speaker 2: The first stuff I feel it's really hard to understand
Speaker 2: is English here. It's just mind blowing now for me
Speaker 2: to know there so many dialects, and also the way
Speaker 2: to pronounce stuff is different. Even I have accent too.
Speaker 2: So when I first move here and I don't understand anything,
Speaker 2: I said.
Speaker 1: So movies quickly, it's quick, particularly propily, and.
Speaker 2: I realized when I first move I was Melbourne. Yeah,
Speaker 2: when I landed, I was asking to take a cab
Speaker 2: and then the staff in airport are trying to explain
Speaker 2: to me how to do it, and I just couldn't
Speaker 2: understand because he was speaking. Now I think back is
Speaker 2: that he was speaking proper standard Australian English and in
Speaker 2: my ear just not used to it. So I was like,
Speaker 2: can you paraphrase.
Speaker 4: It slow down or speed up or make it simpler? Yeah,
Speaker 4: but I'll just figure out what I can grab.
Speaker 2: Yeah, can you just like repeat against I think he
Speaker 2: repeats so many times some of the regional areas they
Speaker 2: are speaking really like Bogan kind of Australian English. It's
Speaker 2: very fun to hear that.
Speaker 3: But I don't understand.
Speaker 2: So most of Australia. I can understand. Now in Australia,
Speaker 2: you like to cuss a lot, like you know, the
Speaker 2: sea word, and I would never yeah, and not like
Speaker 2: in a bad way. Very fun to see how such
Speaker 2: an aggressive word to be used in a very fun way.
Speaker 3: Yes, And I will say with the sea word, I
Speaker 3: feel like ten years ago and new this is an
Speaker 3: age for me, for example, But ten years ago it
Speaker 3: felt way more coarse. But I swear the sea word
Speaker 3: has become like more of an adjective than anything nowadays. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I used.
Speaker 1: To even five yearsgo.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't even drop it. Like I met someone you
Speaker 3: the other day. Oh, and I said it like in
Speaker 3: a new persons setting. I was like, wait, we haven't
Speaker 3: had that discussion if that is appropriate, because for some
Speaker 3: people that's like a massive no no.
Speaker 1: In hindsight, I do say the F word quite a bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you could not also, I could not.
Speaker 3: Surprises me. Do you swear now more? Oh?
Speaker 2: No, I don't really swear that much like the sea
Speaker 2: word because it's just f I always see that for.
Speaker 4: It flavors the sentence were being enthusiastic. We can add
Speaker 4: a little something.
Speaker 3: So the set that went viral in China and you've
Speaker 3: got a lot of like blowback on it, why were
Speaker 3: people criticizing you?
Speaker 2: I don't understand. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think feedback did not land. Yeah, I think mostly.
Speaker 2: Just like if you're female comedians, especially in China, I
Speaker 2: think the idea about female image this telly. They have
Speaker 2: specific sets like oh, you need to be pretty tall, skinny,
Speaker 2: and you need to present like China is a good image.
Speaker 2: So if you take my set word by word, it's
Speaker 2: not necessarily funny. If you translate into Chinese, the setting
Speaker 2: is different. It's comedy, right, so it has to know
Speaker 2: a lot of nuance and context to understand it. So
Speaker 2: whoever did it? I mean the first hate was like
Speaker 2: screenshot my set and then translate word by word and
Speaker 2: the people just don't get it. They were like they
Speaker 2: call it like disgrace to my culture and my family.
Speaker 2: They try to hate me, but then doesn't really get me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, more of that's how we should be all the time.
Speaker 3: Tell us, where can we find you reckon. Everybody get
Speaker 3: involved in your universe.
Speaker 2: I have social media presence Instagram. I use it a
Speaker 2: lot h E A h u a ng like my
Speaker 2: first name and last name and that's it. That's the handle.
Speaker 1: Ohgeous. Well, thank you coming.
Speaker 3: Do you have any shows coming up that we can
Speaker 3: watch or we just need to follow the social media.
Speaker 2: I just followed the social media I can and hopefully yeah,
Speaker 2: you'll see me one day and an hour on YouTube. Yes,
Speaker 2: someone else.
Speaker 3: Thank you for coming on.
Speaker 4: Got a question for you through me? Answer it honestly?
Speaker 4: Would you fake your own death for what reason? For
Speaker 4: any reason?
Speaker 1: Just yes or no? Yep? No, you know what.
Speaker 3: I'd want to see if people feel a certain way
Speaker 3: about me, But how would you most well, because I'd
Speaker 3: actually be alive. It's a fake.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But the risk cause what if they start like
Speaker 4: tell rejoice or they tell like the registry of birth
Speaker 4: and death and now you're really alive, but then you've
Speaker 4: been marked his death?
Speaker 1: How do you become alive again on paper?
Speaker 3: I guess you don't. I mean, does that mean you
Speaker 3: could travel into state or like.
Speaker 1: I don't think so you need a passport far anyway?
Speaker 4: A Belgian TikToker fully faked his own death after feeling
Speaker 4: unappreciated by his extended family and his friends, fully made
Speaker 4: a funeral on everything just to see what they would
Speaker 4: do or say. It was a pranking collaboration with his
Speaker 4: wife and his children, which is I family friendly fun
Speaker 4: which I'm a big fan of, love the nuclear family.
Speaker 1: And basically he was just.
Speaker 4: Feeling unappreciated and want to see if they really cared
Speaker 4: and what they would say, and just to light to
Speaker 4: fire up their bum to encourage them to really check
Speaker 4: for him. Which look, we'll get into how we feel
Speaker 4: about that in a second. Basically, he while waiting for
Speaker 4: the funeral service to start, he flies in on a helicopter,
Speaker 4: as dead people do. He jumps out of the helicopter.
Speaker 4: He says, hooray, it's me paraphrasing. Of course, people rush
Speaker 4: over to hug him. They can't be consoled, they're crying,
Speaker 4: they can't believe their eyes.
Speaker 1: What's going on?
Speaker 4: He claims that he wanted to and I quote, give
Speaker 4: them a life lesson and show them that you shouldn't
Speaker 4: wait until someone is dead to meet up with them.
Speaker 4: What are our thoughts? As you said, it could have
Speaker 4: backfired so much so, But realistically it's such an egocentric
Speaker 4: way to just say you need your people. Like let's
Speaker 4: say if I me flex yes, fake my own death,
Speaker 4: invited you to a funeral to be like, hey, why
Speaker 4: don't you care about me? I think in theory you'd
Speaker 4: be like, oh my god, I feel so sad the
Speaker 4: length she had to go through to like feel like
Speaker 4: she could reach out. But also, you fully hosted an
Speaker 4: event like created budget like how to run cheet, You
Speaker 4: had a playlist, you had a playlist, you took so
Speaker 4: many active steps away from the thing you really wanted.
Speaker 4: You couldn't take those same active steps to reach out
Speaker 4: to me. No, let's plan a fake funeral. Granted this
Speaker 4: is just for content. I don't have to be yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't think this was real, But I'm just like
Speaker 4: I imagine, And I saw a fair few comments on
Speaker 4: the viral video that people be like, this was just
Speaker 4: backfire on me. This feels like the most self interested,
Speaker 4: indulgent way.
Speaker 1: They'd say this is why, yeah, this is why, this
Speaker 1: say is.
Speaker 3: Why we don't check for you because you're annoying it.
Speaker 4: And the cameras in the faces as people who are
Speaker 4: experiencing real emotions thinking that their friend had just died.
Speaker 1: He's like, wow, zero point panoramic with you. Crazy one,
Speaker 1: crazy one, so silly. You've been listening to The Flex
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