1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: This is Outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues facing women. 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: That is so fatch. Thank you, welcome back to Outspoken. Now. 7 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 1: I don't know about you, guys, but I feel like 8 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: this week, in particular, my newsfeed has been full up 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: of very smug mourning people. Yeah. Well, Mitchell Orvil's one 10 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: of those smug mourning people because he seems to be 11 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: really keen to let everybody know that he is a 12 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: morning person. He's the bloody king of the mourning people. 13 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: I'd have to say, I know because he's been getting 14 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: up at four am to watch the sun rise, and 15 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: he's gone as far to say that the sun is 16 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: his religion, and he's encouraging other people to go down 17 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: to the beach and get all charged up from the 18 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: sun's energy. It's quite ironic considering that he was very 19 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: much a night hour before he became this morning person. 20 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: I mean, good on him. I have always wanted to 21 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: be a morning person, so I was very interested to 22 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: see Mitch's recent YouTube video where he documented his morning 23 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: and it was pretty interesting because he got Chloe to 24 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: come along to the beach with him, and because it 25 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: was this special woo woo day, the eighth of the 26 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: eighth is meant to be a day where you get 27 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 1: even more energy from the sun something like that. Anyway, 28 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: the overall tone of the YouTube was this smugness that 29 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: they were mourning people, and I do really think the 30 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 1: morning people think that they're better than other people. What 31 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: do you guys think? Now? I don't want to throw 32 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: any shade on any listeners who may be mourning people, 33 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: but I do feel like there is a certain level 34 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: of smugness that is somewhat similar to those who go 35 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: to the gym. If you're a morning person, you've got 36 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: to document it, You've got to show over on how 37 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: productive you are. And I do fall into that category. 38 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: When I do have to get up early for work, 39 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: I'm sending you guys snapchats with the time on it. 40 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: I'm showing you everything I'm doing just to prove that 41 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: I'm up early. To be honest, I feel like I'm 42 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: just a bit jealous of mourning people because I wish 43 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: I was a morning person, because it's not like, as 44 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: a night our you feel compelled to actually share the 45 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: fact that you're up really late at night. It's shameful. 46 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: It is shameful. I'll send emails sometimes to clients at 47 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: one am and I'm actually working really really hard, but 48 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: I feel like they'll think, oh, that's a bit gross 49 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: that she's up at one am. The thing I find 50 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: unfair about mourning and night people is it's actually a 51 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: biological thing, so you can't really pick which one you are. 52 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: And as a self proclaimed night our, I find it 53 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,119 Speaker 1: unfair that the working world is set up to benefit 54 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: mourning people because I have to get up early every 55 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: morning and it's horrible, like you actually feel like shit 56 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: and that you're not functioning properly. Funnily enough, though, there 57 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: was a study done between mourning people and night ours 58 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: and it turns out that night our's actually more intelligent 59 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: and more likely to be wealthy compared to mourning people. Now, 60 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: I feel like this is so against the lazy stigma 61 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: that night ours have. Maybe night hours are technically smarter 62 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: because they've got their recommended eight hours sleep, whereas if 63 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: you're getting up at three am to watch the sun rise, 64 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: you're tied all day long and then you're having to 65 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: take naps during the day to make people and get 66 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: up really early in the morning. They tend to go 67 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: to bed really early, so they do get their eight 68 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: hours sleep. I think that the reason why night hours 69 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: are smarter is because they have to work a little 70 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: bit harder in order to fit into the everyday world. 71 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: So night hours are also meant to be more creative. 72 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: And I do feel like when you only have a 73 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: short amount of time to actually get something done, when 74 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: you're at your optimal level, you then have to really push. 75 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: I think that might have something to do with it. Well, 76 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: do you know what, I'd actually love to see what 77 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: Chloe and Mitch do for the rest of the day 78 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: because they show us what they do in the morning, 79 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: but have they just crashed for the rest of the afternoon. 80 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: I get the feeling that Mitch is using that movie 81 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: room a lot for the rest of the day after 82 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: eight am. It's funny though, because if you guys, ever 83 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: felt like you need to change up being a night hour, Like, 84 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: have you ever tried being a morning person? Well, when 85 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: I was working in breakfast radio a couple of years ago. 86 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: I was literally forced to become on morning person. I 87 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: had to get up at three point thirty to get 88 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: to the station by four am to start writing up stories, 89 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: and everyone tried to get me onto coffee, but I 90 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: refuse to have any of it, so I was just 91 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: using my pure I don't know, I suppose energy to 92 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: be up and about at that time and I try 93 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: to sunrise. Is that what it was? Well, maybe I 94 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: was charged by the sunrise, who knows. But I actually 95 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: finished at nine am, so I would get home at 96 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: nine am, go to sleep, then get back up to 97 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 1: go to my other job in the afternoon. So I 98 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: kind of ruined all the hard work of getting up early. Well, 99 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,559 Speaker 1: So if you if it makes you feel any better, 100 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: it's actually harmful to push your body to wake up 101 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: any earlier. So you can keep sleeping in because that's 102 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: the way your body prefers it. Well, I think it 103 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: explains why I was in such a foul mood with 104 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: everyone when I was doing that stint in radio. I 105 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: would love, though, to know whether our listeners are mourning 106 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: people or night people. Let's put a thread in our 107 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: Facebook community and tell us do you thrive in the 108 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: morning or in the night time? And also do you 109 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 1: judge other people if they are nine hours or if 110 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: they're morning people. 111 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Ultimate Girls Night Chatty video. 112 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: This week, Sarah's Day shared a wedding Q and A 113 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: on her YouTube channel where she opened up about the 114 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: lead up to her wedding and discussed how she turned 115 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: down a thirty thousand dollars c tur at wedding gown. Sophie, 116 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: I really did enjoy this vlog. Please tell us what 117 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: went down. I really enjoyed this video too, because I 118 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: felt like it was a really rare look into the 119 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: lead up of someone's wedding. Usually people are a little 120 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: bit more guarded about this, so Sarah really opened up 121 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: and shared lots of photos of the different dresses she 122 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: tried on and also photos of unsuccessful hair trials, and 123 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: in her little teaser video, I was quite taken back 124 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 1: by some of these hairstyles. So one of them was 125 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: a princess layer look which really didn't work for her, 126 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 1: and another was a very sleek bun and I just 127 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: thought it was really good for her to actually share 128 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: these experiences because I know a lot of brides. Philip's 129 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: almost taboo to show the other options they were looking 130 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: at before their wedding. It's a bit of a dangerous 131 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: thing to do because I feel like this opens it 132 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: up to a lot of comparison around which dress looks 133 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: better and when I the dresses, because Sarah told her 134 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: audience that she'd really tossed up between two different dresses, 135 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 1: and I actually feel like the one that she didn't 136 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: pick suited her more. Yeakay, I actually also preferred the 137 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: other dress that she was going to go for, so 138 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: for people who haven't seen it, to paint in the picture. 139 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: When Sarah began looking for her wedding dress, she said 140 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: that she gravitated towards more of a structured, heavy style 141 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: of dress, which isn't typically her style. And she said 142 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: that she was really in two minds about whether to 143 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: be true to her original style or pick something that's 144 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: completely different and a bit more of a dramatic look. 145 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: So she really looked at two stores and the second 146 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: store she went to had a really large range of styles, 147 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 1: So her mom said, why don't you just try on everything? 148 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: Don't close yourselves off to dresses. So this is where 149 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: the big sponsorship deal comes into it. So she explains, 150 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: after looking at this dress shop, a large cature brand 151 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: reached out to her and said, hey, we really want 152 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: to collaborate with you. We're going to give you thirty 153 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: thousand dollars for you to design with us your own dress. 154 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: This is what said said about it. 155 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,799 Speaker 2: And I actually got contacted by a pretty prestigious bridal 156 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 2: Cutua brand here in Sydney. So they said they wanted 157 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 2: to collaborate with me and gift me a dress. So 158 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 2: I ended up going for a fitting and I just 159 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 2: kind of truly realized that that Kutua brand and that 160 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 2: Kutua style wasn't me. Like, I felt really uncomfortable. I 161 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 2: actually didn't want to design my own dress. I'm like, 162 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 2: I don't even know what I want. I don't want 163 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: to sit down and draw out the bottice and draw 164 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 2: out the skirt. 165 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: I don't know what I want. 166 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 2: I just want to try something on, love it, pay 167 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 2: for it, and go now. 168 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: Sarah visited the store to try on gowns, and she 169 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: said that she felt uncomfortable as the dresses weren't really 170 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: her style because there was lots of intricate lace involved 171 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: in gems and she really didn't want to be part 172 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: of the designing process. She said that she felt really 173 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: lucky and privileged to be asked, but she just had 174 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: so many things going on that she didn't really feel 175 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: like she was an expert in designing her dress, so 176 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: she ultimately turned down this deal. What do you guys 177 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: think about that? Gosh, I feel like if it was me, 178 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: I really wouldn't have turned this deal down because I 179 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: feel like with Pinterest, you don't have to design too much. 180 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: You really could have just gone with a Pinterest board 181 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: and said this is what I like. I mean, a 182 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollar dress. I mean, you're never gonna get 183 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: offered that again. Well. She also said that she didn't 184 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: really want to feel like she was having to work 185 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: at her wedding by creating content and also tagging supplies, 186 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: and I feel like she really wanted to point out 187 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: that she actually paid for this whole wedding. Here's a 188 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: grab of what she said. 189 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 2: So both of them are from Natalie Marie. Whenever I 190 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 2: talk about brands, people think that it's because we got 191 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 2: it for free. As soon as you have like over 192 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 2: x amount of followers, people assume you get your whole 193 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 2: wedding for free. I'm telling you that's not. 194 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: The case, and you don't really wish No, I don't. 195 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 2: I don't because no, because you don't want to spend 196 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 2: your whole wedding saying like tagging things and like doing 197 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: pictures for people. 198 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: It's like, it's just funny, like it seems like it's 199 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: such a simple thing to do, but a lot of 200 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: thought goes into like brand, yeah. 201 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: Content, It's like we just wanted to enjoy the day. 202 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: It's strange because I understand that you wouldn't want to 203 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: feel like your wedding is work. However, all the tagging 204 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: sort of comes after the wedding, and considering the wedding 205 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: day was filmed professionally, most people would just be able to, 206 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: like you could put a link to the couture designer 207 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: in the show notes of the YouTube, you know, tag 208 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: them on the Instagram account. I find that funny because 209 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: every single other item of the wedding was tagged on 210 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: Instagram except the dress. Yeah, I do agree that it 211 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: was weird that the dress she ultimately chose wasn't tagged. However, 212 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: I think that if you're taking on board a thirty 213 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: thousand dollar bridle dress deal. They're obviously going to have 214 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 1: large expectations on what you have to do. Maybe they 215 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: gave her a huge brief that she had to fill out. 216 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: I can't imagine the obligations would have been that much, 217 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: to be honest, because I would assumed, like, what more 218 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: can you do about a dress other than tag it. 219 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: Lots of people would have been watching the YouTube and 220 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 1: would go, oh my gosh, I love that dress. I 221 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 1: want to know where it's from. Yeah, it's more of 222 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: an organic partnership considering she is getting married, like, it 223 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense for them her dress to 224 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: be tagged. I don't think anyone would have thought any 225 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: differently from her. I did refreshing that she mentioned that 226 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: her wedding dress that she picked was three thousand dollars 227 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 1: and that she had turned down a thirty thousand dollar 228 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: dress for a three thousand dollar dress, because for someone 229 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: who is going to be looking at wedding dresses soon, 230 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: it is quite intimidating to hear some of the price 231 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: tags attached to these Catua gowns. Yeah. I did find 232 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: it really refreshing. And the dress in question that she 233 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: actually ended up picking was her second choice, so she 234 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: didn't end up going for the flowy dress that was 235 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: very much her style. She opted for this sleek outfit 236 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: that her friend Tanika picked out, and she only managed 237 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: to stumble across it by chance because she actually rejected 238 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: the dress as soon as her friend showed it to her, 239 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: and she only tried it on because the owner of 240 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: the store wanted to check out the bus sizes of 241 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: the dress, and she ended up falling in love with it. 242 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: So even though she liked it, she actually still put 243 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: the deposit on the second dress, but then had a 244 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: dream the next night that she should have worn the 245 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: sleep dress. So it's quite interesting. I mean, I suppose 246 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: because we were waiting to go dress shopping with you. 247 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: I find all these details really interesting, and I feel 248 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: like it's so evident that you've just got to try 249 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 1: on every style. Yeah, it seems like a lot of 250 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: things come to Sarah's day in her dreams. Didn't her 251 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: son's name, Fox Ocean come to her in a dream? 252 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: Maybe she's very clued in on her dreams exactly. Well, 253 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: what about how she mentioned that the night before her 254 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: wedding she discovered that her earrings were missing. This story 255 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: absolutely cracked me up. I can just imagine being in 256 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: this position. Oh, this did remind me of something that 257 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: would happen to me, because she apparently tore apart this 258 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: whole cabin that she was staying in trying to find 259 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: these earrings. And they're they're quite signature earring, aren't they. They 260 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: were like a pearl drop earring, So I feel like 261 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,839 Speaker 1: it's not something that you could go without. Obviously, every 262 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: detail had been planned for this wedding, and she actually 263 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: ended up calling her bride'smaids asking if anyone had accidentally 264 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: taken the earring or if she'd left it in their room. 265 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: And the issue was, of course that she had her 266 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: wedding in Byron Bay and the earrings were back in Sydney. 267 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: I can just imagine this happening at my wedding, because 268 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: I'd get to the point where I'd start blaming people, 269 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 1: like someone has clearly taking the earring. I was really 270 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: surprised to see. Sarah then called one of her friends 271 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: that was coming to the wedding, so they were flying 272 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: over at five am the next morning. She called them 273 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: at nine point thirty at night to ask them to 274 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 1: go over to her house to check if she'd left 275 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: them there, and apparently this guy lived about fifty minutes away. 276 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if I would have been that nice. 277 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if I had been invited to someone's wedding, 278 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: if I would go and do that. Yeah, And they 279 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 1: had to get a locksmith to break into her house 280 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: because it has such security that you cannot get in. 281 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: If they tried to break in, the police were going 282 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: to be called. This was pretty interesting because before the wedding, 283 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: there was a lot of questions over Sarah's Dave's security 284 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: because of a hate page that was trying to reveal 285 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: the location of her wedding. So a lot of people 286 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: were saying, gee, I wonder if they have much security. 287 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: It turns out they have a heap of security. So 288 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: apparently even if you go near to their property, there's 289 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 1: a silent alarm that starts going off and it gets 290 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: reported back to their security team, who reports it to 291 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: them and then ultimately calls the police, which is fair enough. 292 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's good to know that they are protected 293 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 1: in that way, but altimately it becomes difficult when you're 294 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: trying to get into this house to get an earring. 295 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: So Sarah's sister actually had a locksmith friend who was 296 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: called up also at nighttime to ask to come down 297 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: and break into this place. Can you imagine what a 298 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: dick you would feel if they had gone through all 299 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: of this and the earrings weren't there. Because the earrings 300 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: were there, crisis was averted. This to me showed that 301 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 1: Sarah must have been a little bit of a bride's sealer, 302 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,719 Speaker 1: because I think she actually had other earring options in 303 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: barn Bay, but just not these ones. To be honest, 304 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 1: I could imagine having a meltdown over something similar. Want 305 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: you to have your heart set on it, and it's 306 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: your wedding and you've got it in your image in 307 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: your head that this is what you're going to wear. 308 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: You've got so much stress going on. As she said, 309 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: this was the straw that broke the camel's bag. What 310 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: have you been doing? 311 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:46,839 Speaker 2: The pop specks had? 312 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: What pop specks starling? We're doing a new add upmarketing 313 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 1: the image. What's a pop Specs? A Western Australian mummy 314 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: blogger that goes by the handle the Simple Folk has 315 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: accused another unnamed influencer of copying her in the curated 316 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: world of Instagram. Is this a form of flattery or 317 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,719 Speaker 1: is something more sinister at play Kate Before we get 318 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: into it, Who is the woman behind the simple Folk? Well, 319 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: her name is Bohanna Gerritsen, or Bo as she likes 320 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: to be called, and she's a thirty four year old 321 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: mum from the south of Western Australia. Now. She has 322 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: three adorable children under the age of six, called Indiana, 323 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: Archer and Olive, and a husband called Tie Now. In 324 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: addition to her Instagram account, she also has a blog 325 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: where she says she documents her road tripping, coffee roasting 326 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: and daydreaming as a mother of three. Her account is 327 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: very esthetically pleasing. It's a lot of linen, it's a 328 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: lot of pastal tones and beaches. It's kind of at 329 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: a Byron Bay vibe to it, even though she's from 330 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: Western Australia Now. She started her Instagram account in the 331 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: late stages of her pregnancy with her second child, Archer, 332 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: and she continued to grow her following when Archer was born. Now. Originally, 333 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: Bo said she started her Instagram as a way to 334 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: network with other mums, but a focus now and capturing 335 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: her family's lifestyle and adventures in a more candid way 336 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: now so Bi, can you tell us what has happened? 337 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: Because I feel like everyone is talking about this drama. Yeah, 338 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: well the drama really unfolded. When Bo shared this to 339 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: her Instagram story, she said, I'm not sharing this next 340 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: slide lightly. This has taken me over five years to 341 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: build up the courage to post. This is a very 342 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: very small snapshot of what I've been dealing with for 343 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: the last few years on here. I don't want to 344 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: be the mean guy. I don't want a mum shame. 345 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: There are no rules on Instagram, and for a long 346 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: time I was made to believe this behavior is normal. 347 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: I'm posting this as a final call to hopefully have 348 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: it stopped. Some of these images have been recreated days, weeks, 349 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: and even years after I've originally posted them. I don't 350 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: want this to get nasty, and I don't want anyone 351 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: to target this individual. If you know who they are, 352 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: This will be the last time I post about this now. 353 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: Bo then shared a grid of images comparing her post 354 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: to those she alleges have been copied by the unnamed influencer, 355 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: and after sharing these stories, Boid even outpouring of love. 356 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: She said, I have been holding onto this for so 357 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: many years and had such fears over sharing this publicly, 358 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: fears that people would think I was crazy, that no 359 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: one would understand or take it seriously. I feel sick 360 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: that I allow this to continue for so long out 361 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: of fear and always giving the benefit of doubt. I 362 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: hope this is the wake up call they need. She 363 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: then went on to say that she won't be sharing 364 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: this individual's handle as she didn't want to out the person, 365 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: and I think that's been the most clever part of 366 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: her strategy. Yeah, I think it strengthens her point, and 367 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: it also doesn't pit the two women against each other. Interestingly, 368 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: there are people been chatting in our Facebook community about this, 369 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: and we do know who the account is, and we're 370 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: not going to name this person because I don't think 371 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: that's constructive. But it is interesting that the person lives 372 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: very close to where she lives, and they also have 373 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: a similar amount of followers, so it's not like it's 374 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: some smaller influencer that's doing this. That they are pretty 375 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: much now on par with each other in terms of following. 376 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: The thing is, I mean, because she's got such a 377 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: large following, people would always to pick up who this 378 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: woman woman is. Yeah, well, particularly because she put their 379 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: images side by side, and yeah, that's quiet. It's quite 380 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: scary because when you look at these images, they are 381 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: carbon copies of each other. Well, they do have the 382 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: old saying that imitation is the greatest woman of flattery. 383 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: What do you guys think in this instance, it just 384 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 1: seems weird, Like what now, Kate's pointed out that they 385 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: live near each other. It's I suppose, as you said, 386 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: it can be flattering sometimes, but I think it's verging 387 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: on a bit obsessive. I think there's a difference also 388 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: in taking inspiration from what someone does than flat out 389 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: copying them. Yeah. Well, for people that haven't seen the 390 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: photo side by side, the accused count has been shown 391 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,719 Speaker 1: to be copying the exact locations and poses and composition, 392 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: even the clothes. And the accused person even has the 393 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: same amount of children, has both so she's got two 394 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: girls and a boy. It's just Kate. Now, are you 395 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 1: implying that she's purposely had the same amount of children. No, 396 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: I'm not implying that, but it's just bloody weird. I 397 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: just think that I would feel a bit uneasy about 398 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: this whole thing, particularly because this accused person has allegedly 399 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: moved very close to the original mummy blogger, like, it's 400 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: just weird. It's a bit like Christy swattlink because she 401 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 1: was accused of copying Sarah's Day's exact aesthetic, and if 402 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: you go back and watch her vlogs, they are carbon 403 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: copies of Sara. But I think there's a difference between 404 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 1: copying and aesthetic to actually flat out copying the composition 405 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: of people's photos. Because I feel like when this topic 406 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: was banded around, a lot of people online were like, oh, well, 407 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: mummy bloggers feeds all look the same. I mean I 408 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 1: tend to agree. I mean, even when I watch YouTubers, 409 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: I find that all their vlogs are basically the same, 410 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: Like they talk the same, they're wearing the same clothes, 411 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: they do the same activities. They're doing their emails or 412 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: getting the takeaway coffees and having asaia e bowls. However, 413 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: I think in this instance, when we're discussing the simple folks, 414 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: I definitely think it's more than copying an aesthetic. And 415 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: while a lot of us, I for one, cringe when 416 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: influencers throw around the word content creator, it is quite 417 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: clear when you look at Bose Instagram accounts that there 418 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 1: has a lot of time and effort been put into 419 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: her feet, and she is a very talented photographer, and 420 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: it doesn't seem fair that her account is being completely 421 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: copied by someone, not to mention how creepy it actually is. 422 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: Do you think that this unnamed influencer could have started 423 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: out as a bit of a super fan of both, Yes, 424 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: and she's just wanted to be like her, and she's taken, 425 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: as we said, quite a lot of inspiration from her. 426 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: It's almost quite sad that she went to the extent 427 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: of copying her so much, because they could have almost 428 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 1: formed a really great friendship or collaboration. Have we heard 429 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: anything from the influencer who's been accused of copying as 430 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: she come outide anything. I mean, I suppose you wouldn't 431 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 1: really want to put up your hand and say, oh, yeah, 432 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: that's me. I mean, it is interesting because Boe in 433 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 1: the past has said that she hopes her feed inspires 434 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: others to explore their surroundings and to capture those experiences. 435 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:47,959 Speaker 1: But I feel like this person has just taken it 436 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: far too literally. Well on paper, very much my type. 437 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,479 Speaker 1: Just a trigger warning here. This segment touches on issues 438 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: relating to suicide. If you do need to talk to someone, 439 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 1: please called lifeline. On thirteen ten, eleven fourteen, the UK's 440 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: broadcast regulator has worn shows like Love Island could be 441 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: taken off the air if they failed to properly look 442 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: after their contestants. The warning comes after the TV Watchdog 443 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 1: received twenty five thousand complaints following an episode of Love 444 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: Island that aired this week. There's been a lot of 445 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: discussion about the islanders mental health following the suicides of 446 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 1: two former cast members and former Love Island hosts Caroline 447 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: Flack Amy, can you explain what took place in this 448 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 1: episode that's upset so many viewers? Yeah? Well, the episode 449 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: was based on a trivia night challenge which was dubbed 450 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: a Movie Night, and it was girls versus boys, So 451 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: if the girls won a point, they got to pick 452 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: a video to watch of the boys during their time 453 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: on Love Island and vice versa. So a lot of 454 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: these videos were controversial. One showed Liam doing a three 455 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: way kiss with two girls in Cassa and Moore, none 456 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 1: of which were his partner Millie. It also showed Jake 457 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: telling the boys that he initially didn't feel like he 458 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: was attracted to his now girlfriend Liberty, as he didn't 459 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: feel like he wanted to rip her clothes off. However, 460 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: the video which everyone was talking about was a clip 461 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: which showed Teddy, who was partnered up with Faye, telling 462 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: another girl in Cassa Amore that he is technically single 463 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: and finds himself sexually attracted to her. So, following the 464 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: movie night, Faye confronted Teddy about the clip and she 465 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,479 Speaker 1: got very heated. She gave him the finger multiple times 466 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: and yelled at him. So for context, Teddy had been 467 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: quite respectful to Faye and Cassa Moore, so I would 468 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: say it's safe to say the clip was actually taken 469 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: out of context. Poor Teddy, he has been shafted by 470 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: producers on the show. Originally a postcard came in that 471 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 1: we spoke about a couple of weeks ago that made 472 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: him look as though he was cheating on Faye, and 473 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: now the producers have done him dirty again by showing 474 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: this clip when he literally acted like an angel in 475 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: Cassa Amore and did nothing. It's quite clear that this 476 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: is targeted at Teddy because of who he's coupled up with. 477 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: Because Faye is known to be very hot headed and 478 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: the producers know that this is how she would react 479 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 1: to this type of video. Now, of the twenty five 480 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 1: thousand complaints of Regulator received for this episode, twenty four 481 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 1: thousand of those complaints were directed at Faye's behavior. So 482 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: the regulator have said that they're going to assess the 483 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 1: complaints and determine whether they need to investigate. So the 484 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: incident has also raised debay online about whether it was 485 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: ethical of Love Island to air these clips because it 486 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: has caused a lot of the islanders emotional distress. So 487 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: those twenty four thousand people were they calling for the 488 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: show to step in and remove Faye or to tell 489 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: her off for talking to Teddy like that. From my knowledge, 490 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: a lot of the complaints were saying that Faye was 491 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: very abusive and if a man had acted in that way, 492 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 1: they would have been removed from the villa. We've seen 493 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: it on shows like Married at First Sight where people 494 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: have slammed the experts for not stepping in and stopping 495 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,239 Speaker 1: toxic conversations between couples. I mean, we did see on 496 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: Love Island Australia people come in and break up a 497 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: fight between Eden and one of the other contestants when 498 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: things got physical. I suppose things didn't look like they 499 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: were physically going to get out of hand, but she 500 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: was acting in a very aggressive nature. She continued to 501 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: give Teddy the finger right at his face. She did 502 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: it backed down at all. Well, I suppose that concern 503 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: has been is, you know, for the welfare of Teddy 504 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 1: being treated like that, but also Fay's reaction. You can 505 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: see how emotionally distressed she is from receiving this information, 506 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: which a lot of people have said has been taken 507 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: out of context. And she's also been receiving a lot 508 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: of threats online. So the family members of the Love 509 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 1: Island contestants, they actually look after their Instagram pages, and 510 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 1: her parents have put out a statement saying Fay is human, 511 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: she may not always get things right. There are human 512 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: beings managing the island a social media pages who will 513 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: be seriously affected by your comments. We asked that everyone 514 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: please remember this before commenting or messaging. What do you 515 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: guys think about the criticism being thrown towards Fay. Do 516 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: you think it was a fair reaction or do you 517 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 1: think maybe she had a reason for being so rude 518 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: to Teddy. I think it's quite fair to say from 519 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: what we've seen about Fay on the show is she 520 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: does have a lot of distrust towards a partner. She 521 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: was already voicing concern about making Teddy her boyfriend because 522 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 1: she didn't feel ready for that commitment. I think she 523 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: is someone who puts a real wall up because she 524 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: has been very hurt by past relationships. So I think 525 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 1: there was a lot of hurt in her response. It's 526 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: very clear she's so vulnerable, and she's trying to pretend 527 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: that she's not and being this bigger than life character 528 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: and trying to act like she doesn't care when it's 529 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: actually the complete opposite. She really cares. And I watching it. 530 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying I would react like this, 531 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: but I would. I am a person that gets very 532 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: defensive and is very jealous, So I was looking at this. 533 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 1: I mean I did laugh. I did laugh when she 534 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: gave Teddy the finger, But then I also was feeling 535 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 1: sorry for him when I saw him crying in the 536 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: diary room. Yeah, I mean that's the thing. I felt 537 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: so sorry for Teddy. The way he was treated was appalling. 538 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: But I can also see from Fay's point of view, 539 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 1: why she reacted, and it wasn't Teddy's fault, it was 540 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: the producer's fault for manipulating her feelings about the issue. 541 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: I do think what was quite troubling though, was seeing 542 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: how calm Teddy was back to her. He was obviously 543 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: trying to get her to sit down and just have 544 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: a conversation with him about it. In that instance, because 545 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: she wasn't calming down, I think that would have been 546 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: a perfect time for one of the producers to call 547 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: her into the beach club or whatever their diar beach 548 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: hut and say, hey, let's just calm you down for 549 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: a second. Let's not worry about show ratings. We've already 550 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: got enough from her. Come inside, and let's calm down 551 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: and work out a solution. So they didn't both go 552 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: to bed really distraught and upset. Yeah, well, I suppose 553 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 1: we don't really know what happened behind the scenes. But 554 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 1: what I found really interested too, because she continued the 555 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: whole night to have a go. But I mean, we 556 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: haven't seen whether the producers have stepped in. Well, I 557 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: think they should have shown if they did step in. Well, 558 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: what I find really interesting is that Love Island actually 559 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: decided to bring in this new segment the Movie Night 560 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 1: because previously they featured a task where Islanders had to 561 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: guess different tweets from the public, and they were always 562 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: really mean impressions from the public about each of the 563 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: weren't they headlines as well like yeah yeah? And there 564 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: was also remember they had a lie detective challenge and 565 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: that was actually scrapped in twenty eight because ITV bosses 566 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: decided to pull the pin because there was a death 567 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: of a guest on another television show called The Jeremy 568 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: Kyle Show, which used a light detective segment, So a 569 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 1: man died of suicide after he was accused of cheating 570 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: on his partner. So they decided to pull the pin, 571 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: and there was thought that they also removed the tweet 572 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: segment following the death by suicide of a number of 573 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: contestants as well, But then they've brought back this segment, 574 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: which is arguably worse. Oh, it's way worse because these 575 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: people that they're seeing conversations taken completely out of context 576 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 1: and actually not time stamped either. Because I felt really 577 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: sorry for Liberty seeing Jake talk about her behind her back, 578 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: saying that he wasn't physically attracted to her. That happened 579 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: on the the first week, so it was really hard 580 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: to see that happen. I find it interesting because one 581 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: thing that is clear that the Love Island producers have 582 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: taken out of the show is actually seeing the couples 583 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: physically intimate with each other. Because there was a contestant 584 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 1: who did die from suicide after the show, and she 585 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: was shown having sex in a cupboard. Now, obviously that 586 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: would have been really hard to come out of the 587 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: show and have publicized and people talking about it, people 588 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: seeing it. So I think it's good that they have 589 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: removed that element of the show. But that being said, 590 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: they show other stuff under the covers where you can 591 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: pretty much make out what's happening. Well, I read an 592 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: article that said that Love Island has made a conscious 593 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: effort not to actually show any sex scenes, and they 594 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: did imply that a lot of contestants have actually had 595 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,360 Speaker 1: sex this year. Well, they always air those conversations where 596 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,479 Speaker 1: they talk about what base that they're at, and they 597 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 1: kind of make it a bit of a joke in 598 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: the show, and I do it. I do find that 599 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: a good way to discuss it. You know, we know 600 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: what's happened, but we don't actually need to see it. Yeah, Well, 601 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: do you guys think it's an ITV Love Island problem 602 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: or do you think it's a problem with the general public, 603 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: Because this year, especially following the tragic death of Caroline Flak, 604 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: there has been a huge campaign calling for people to 605 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: be nice to contestants on reality TV, and not long 606 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: after I think it was the first week of Love Island, 607 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 1: the contestants Instagram accounts we're receiving death threats. I do 608 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: think the general public need to take responsibility for their 609 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: actions because we all know that this is a reality 610 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: TV show, and while it may not be as overproduced 611 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 1: as a show like The Bachelor, I mean I feel 612 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: like people are very much cottoning on that The Bachelor 613 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: is very cut up and there's enough time and production 614 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: around the show filming and when it airs that they 615 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: can create storylines, whereas everyone's always thought that Love Island 616 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: is a bit more organic because they only produce the 617 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: show like a day before in advance. So I don't 618 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: think they are creating characters per se, but they definitely 619 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: are creating drama by introducing segments like this and sending 620 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,719 Speaker 1: in postcards. So I think people need to realize that 621 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: the producers are being very manipulative and that, you know, 622 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: Faye and Teddy, they're basically like lab rats that they're 623 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: sort of putting in these scenarios and seeing how they react. 624 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: So I feel like, Okay, yes, Faye did not react well, 625 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: but knowing what we know about her, it seems like 626 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: that is probably how she was going to react. So 627 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: why don't we control how we react in the outside 628 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: world to that behavior and not send someone death threats? Yeah, 629 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: just see it for what it is. It's meant to 630 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: be a TV show that's entertaining. Interestingly. Just to close 631 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: on former Love Islander Rachel Finney, who was in this 632 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: year's series, she's actually gone on to praise ITV too 633 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: for looking after her mental health during the show. She 634 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: said she spoke to a therapist every single day whilst 635 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: in the villa, and she said she's received ongoing mental 636 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,719 Speaker 1: health checks, so she said she gets regular calls from 637 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: a therapist since leaving the villa, and former Love Islander 638 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: Molly May has also previously praised the show for looking 639 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: after their contestants, so they seem to have stepped that 640 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: up a little bit. It will be interesting to see 641 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: when Fee and Teddy come out of the villa. Yes, 642 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: so see what they have to say. Well, I think 643 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: that's all we have time for. 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