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Speaker 1: Get a. I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter

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Speaker 1: and professional oversharer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure

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Speaker 1: because I believe it's a chance for us to learn,

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Speaker 1: grow and face our blind spots. Each week I'll interview

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Speaker 1: a different guest about their highs as well as their lows,

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Speaker 1: all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail.

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Speaker 1: Holy mackerel on the pod today Trent Dalton, Australian author.

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Speaker 1: I guess you call him a novelist actually long form

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Speaker 1: journo and can I say absolutely wonderful human being. If

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Speaker 1: you have read Voice Fellows, Universe, love Stories, all our

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Speaker 1: shimmering skies, then you're going to know about Trent Dalton.

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Speaker 1: His newest book, Lola in the Mirror is officially our

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Speaker 1: now unavailable all over Australia wherever you buy your books from.

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Speaker 1: Do yourself a favor and get it. I Binge read

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Speaker 1: it in a day and a half. I could not

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Speaker 1: put down boscunt even talk to me. I was like, Nah,

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Speaker 1: I'm committed. This is the best, this is the best

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Speaker 1: thing ever. It's my favorite book I've read in such

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Speaker 1: a long time. And can I say I have been

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Speaker 1: wanting to get Trent as you're here in this chat

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Speaker 1: on the pod for quite some time, and to finally

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Speaker 1: be doing it and getting to do it in the

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Speaker 1: flesh in real life was such an honor. Trent, you

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Speaker 1: are absolutely incredible and I feel so so lucky to

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Speaker 1: have spent this hour and a half with you. To

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Speaker 1: the listener, this is a really honest, raw, vulnerable chat.

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Speaker 1: I get a little bit tearing in it at one point,

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Speaker 1: and I just want to say thank you to Trent

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Speaker 1: for just showing up with a really really open heart.

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Speaker 1: You inspired me more than you'll know. Trent Dalton, mate

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Speaker 1: honored to have you on this pod.

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Speaker 2: Oh Lola, this has made my week. It might have

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Speaker 2: made my year. Thanks for taking the time.

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Speaker 1: You've made mine.

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Speaker 2: Friend.

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Speaker 1: So you're a journal, long form journal and an incredible novelist.

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Speaker 1: I found out about you about we were just talking

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Speaker 1: about my friend who's in Beautiful Voyeas Universe, and I

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Speaker 1: found out about it big about you because he's like,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to read in Voice Lawers Universe and I

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Speaker 1: was like, what, talk to me what and he's like,

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Speaker 1: here's the book, read it, and so like that's how

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Speaker 1: I learned about you and I could not put the

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Speaker 1: book down. So first of all, thank you for entering

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Speaker 1: my world via voiceflows universe.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, and thank you to your friend, because I

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Speaker 3: know who you're talking about, and I love that man

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Speaker 3: for and being just one of Australia's finest actors and

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Speaker 3: contributing to that world.

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Speaker 2: Like for him to step into that.

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Speaker 3: Universe is completely surreal to me, and it's just yet

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Speaker 3: and again another one of the benefits of you, of

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Speaker 3: one human being trying something, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: you don't ever expect. But that actor that you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: We can say his name.

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Speaker 3: He's been on the pod, Anthony Lapalia, like one of them.

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Speaker 1: So he the baddy. Can I say the baddie.

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Speaker 3: Totally Titus Bros. I mean, he's the big baddie. And

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Speaker 3: the coolest thing about that. I remember interviewing Anthony in

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Speaker 3: my journal years and I remember him distinctly.

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Speaker 2: I interviewed him for Lantana.

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Speaker 1: Oh and you know, brilliant.

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Speaker 3: You know, possibly one of the greatest Australian films ever

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Speaker 3: made and maybe one of Anthony's finest hours. And he

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Speaker 2: And you remember it in the back of your mind

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Speaker 3: Tell me, I guess he's playing Titus Anthony, and it's

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Speaker 3: it's it's wild, you know, and it's so it's so

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Speaker 3: beautiful to hear and it's so wonderful to hear from

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Speaker 3: you what a fine man he is, you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean.

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Speaker 2: It's like it just doesn't help you enhance your love

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Speaker 2: of these people when.

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Speaker 1: You also it was so much fun while I was

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Speaker 1: reading the book to watch his transformation. Yeah, the peroxide hair, right, ah.

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Speaker 3: Just the sheer whiteness of the guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: And it's like, I know, and I think that.

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Speaker 3: He's got a fine jet blackheaded hair, that guy. I know,

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Speaker 3: it's pretty good. But but you know, I've actually Lola,

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Speaker 3: it's really nice to talk to you because, honestly, like

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Speaker 3: a week ago, my family and I I mean, I'll

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Speaker 3: get I'll get deeply emotional before I go there, but

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Speaker 3: It was like, you don't even know why you do

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Speaker 3: her and I grabbed her fingers and I said, honey,

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Speaker 3: is it too sad? She said, it's not too sad,

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Speaker 3: that it's too beautiful. Ah, And she was crying tears. Yeah, mate,

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Speaker 3: she was crying tears of joy for her family, like

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Speaker 3: she she doesn't know her papa who died like my

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Speaker 3: Swaller's Universe stuff.

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Speaker 1: And he was a huge inspiral, wasn't he, Because a

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Speaker 3: Lola, like all that stuff in that boy Swallow's Universe book.

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Speaker 3: And you know, the guy's addicted to reading, like he's

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Speaker 3: addicted to duies and reading. And you're meant to want

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Speaker 3: more out of life. But that's all my old man wanted,

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Speaker 3: you know. And he just read books. And he did

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Speaker 3: have the mountains of books, like we would move from

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Speaker 3: these two dollars paperbacks he got in lifelines at the house.

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Speaker 3: I'd always let Dad, what about your books, and he's like, ah,

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Speaker 3: they're all in my head. Now you know there's someone

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Speaker 3: else's to read. Now, someone out I meant for someone else.

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Speaker 3: And then Simon Baker, this great Australian actor, is essentially

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Speaker 3: it with such power and that's what That's what my

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Speaker 3: oldest daughter was crying about. She was crying about his

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Speaker 3: performance and it was just so it's been an incredibly

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Speaker 1: And yes, I asked him when he was feeling. I

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Speaker 1: it's fun because it's fun to be the bad it's

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Speaker 2: We all know him, as you know.

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Speaker 3: I've seen him play great Dads, so he plays dad exactly.

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Speaker 3: He plays a cop wonderfully, he plays the good guy

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Speaker 3: it's really wild and it shows the range of these people.

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Speaker 3: Phoebe Tonkin is a revelation in this essentially plays the

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Speaker 3: hero Frankie Bell and totally inspired by my mum, and

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Speaker 3: it makes she has let rip from her heart and soul.

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Speaker 2: I cannot wait. It's just I cannot wait. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: She deserves every award under the sun. It's that deep,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, can you share when you are when you finished

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Speaker 1: that first draft, you send it straight to your mom.

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Speaker 1: Oh and didn't she call you up like a day

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Speaker 2: Go, oh, well, I'll never forget it.

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Speaker 3: I'll never forget it, Like it's nothing but awkward for her,

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Speaker 3: right Like it's at the start that concept, the concept

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Speaker 3: that my mum had a journey for two years in

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Speaker 2: Just one little blit.

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Speaker 3: But that I didn't want the world they didn't want

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Speaker 3: that to define this beautiful woman's life. I was a

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Speaker 3: called Boycewaller's Universe, and I call up Mum first and go, Mum,

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I didn't raise a carpenter. I could have

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Speaker 3: I went and wrote a book about our shared nineteen

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Speaker 3: It was just all this stuff that was too good

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Speaker 2: And so I was like, Mum, I did it. I

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Speaker 3: You need to read it. And if there's anything in

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Speaker 3: I've been late for work. I took her sick year.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't stop reading.

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Speaker 2: It, Trent.

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Speaker 3: And and it's and it's beautiful, she said, it's beautiful.

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Speaker 3: And it's bigger. It's bigger than me. So I don't

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Speaker 2: Mate. I'm gonna cry.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to cry because you know that it's such

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Speaker 3: she gave me the greatest gift of she could she

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Speaker 2: What you know? Yeah, man, it's like.

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Speaker 1: You know, she's your hero, oh.

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Speaker 3: Lola, She's she's she's my you know, she is my hero.

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Speaker 3: She's become my unexpected inspiration. You know, you don't even

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Speaker 3: got to live like four decades to understand why your

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Speaker 3: mom's your actual hero, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was Eddie Vedder from Pearl Jam and.

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Speaker 3: It turns out it really wasn't all you know, you know,

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Speaker 3: And it's just like, nah, it was the woman just

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Speaker 1: Like it's that right, Yeah, I would much And I

437
00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,720
Speaker 1: was so yeah. I was like seventeen eighteen, young enough

438
00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,440
Speaker 1: for it to fully stick. But my dad always says,

439
00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:48,720
Speaker 1: you know, I named Lauren.

440
00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:51,600
Speaker 3: Oh I love that too, But you know what, that's

441
00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,320
Speaker 3: something even really special as well, Like that's that special thing.

442
00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,520
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, there are only a certain handful of

443
00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,000
Speaker 3: people who would call you Lauren, and it's like they're

444
00:19:59,119 --> 00:19:59,639
Speaker 3: very special.

445
00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,160
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, yeah yeah.

446
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,000
Speaker 2: Did you find anything changed by taking on the Lola

447
00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:05,800
Speaker 2: like or no?

448
00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:07,480
Speaker 1: Like you know, yeah, totally.

449
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,359
Speaker 3: You know if you think there's a difference between Lola

450
00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,040
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three to Lauren back in the.

451
00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:16,439
Speaker 1: Day, yeah, well I think for me, when I tell people, oh,

452
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,120
Speaker 1: my real name is Lauren Smith, which is as bad

453
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:23,000
Speaker 1: as like playing as you can get, they'll always laugh

454
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,040
Speaker 1: but say, no, no, you're a Lola. Like people straight

455
00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:26,679
Speaker 1: away you're a Lola.

456
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,440
Speaker 2: You are actually I don't know why, but you are.

457
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:35,280
Speaker 1: It feels, it feels true to me. But there's also

458
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,560
Speaker 1: to me, there's a there's a fire and cheekiness to Lola,

459
00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:45,879
Speaker 1: which I feel like there's like this bravery or cheekiness,

460
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:46,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

461
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,120
Speaker 3: Like you've just expressed what I'm trying to get at

462
00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:50,920
Speaker 3: with the whole book though, like.

463
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,760
Speaker 2: You are, we are not what.

464
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 3: You know, We don't have to be what we're given

465
00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 3: you know, we don't have to you know what I'm

466
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,800
Speaker 3: trying to say. It's not like you ran from Lauren

467
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,679
Speaker 3: or anything, but it was like what I'm trying to

468
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,119
Speaker 3: say in that thing is we are not always our blood.

469
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 2: We don't have to be our past.

470
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 3: We don't have to be the things the world is

471
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 3: telling us that we are, and we can actually find

472
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:12,960
Speaker 3: our true selves.

473
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:13,399
Speaker 2: Yeah.

474
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,520
Speaker 3: I love that you just said it. You said Lola

475
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:20,440
Speaker 3: is true, Like Lola is the true Yeah, honey in

476
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 3: some ways. And it's like I'm totally trying trying to

477
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,880
Speaker 3: get at that, Like that's amazing that it's this.

478
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 1: Book Lola in the Mirror. By the way, I haven't

479
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,359
Speaker 1: even said the name of it yet. I cannot wait

480
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:38,119
Speaker 1: to see how it's received, because to me, I was like,

481
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,159
Speaker 1: how do you do this? You do you have this

482
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:45,879
Speaker 1: beautiful gift of grabbing sorrow, pain and then throwing it

483
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 1: in a bowl with hope and love and heartbreak and

484
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 1: like grief and resilience and like it's like this combination

485
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 1: of like all these like beautiful, terrible, but beautiful, and

486
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I think I think

487
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 1: this is a testament to you because I see, like

488
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: the pov of our protagonist here, I see similarities to

489
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 1: Eli Ball.

490
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah for sure.

491
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 1: At about it right, And it's that like unwillingness to

492
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 1: give up.

493
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 2: Oh that's so beautiful people, thank you. Yeah. That that.

494
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 3: Is a that is a thread that I hope I

495
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 3: continue to write about for the rest of my life.

496
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,959
Speaker 3: Like this book kind of represents kind of the end

497
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 3: of a bit of a youth trilogy, and it's funny

498
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 3: that it coincides at the same time. Weirdly, the nameless

499
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 3: hero in this book, Lola, Lola in the Mirror, is

500
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 3: kind of roughly the same age as my oldest daughter,

501
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 3: And it's kind of funny that I'm kind of kind

502
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 3: of coming to the ends as my daughter's kind of

503
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 3: reach young adulthood. And but I am deeply moved by

504
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 3: Australian kids who carry trauma and process it in very

505
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 3: strange ways sometimes but process it in the ways they

506
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 3: only know how, and and find love in very strange

507
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 3: places because they got none, and find their future, you know,

508
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 3: in very unusual ways. And that's just like, man, that's

509
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 3: just that's the story of my life. That's the story

510
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 3: of a lot of kids' lives. And I find that

511
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 3: very but it's the unwillingness.

512
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:28,919
Speaker 2: To give up.

513
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,400
Speaker 3: But that is a character trait that I completely adore

514
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 3: in our young people, Like it's just a mat or anyone, right,

515
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 3: this is.

516
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: Also would have been you, and you're like you're childhood

517
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 1: because obviously a bit of Eli Bella is a little

518
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: bit of tread do right. Yeah, yeah, So it's that

519
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 1: it's that like I hadn't a coach, an acting coach

520
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: once say like we've all got this tiny little spark

521
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:56,439
Speaker 1: in our heart and you've just kind of got a

522
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 1: fan it. You've just got to keep fanning that until

523
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: it becomes a flame, and it's like the spirit of

524
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 1: your two like leads or protagonists. I'm just like, ah,

525
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: like that, it's that flickering heart. Like there are so

526
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 1: many moments in this book where our nameless hero could

527
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: have and in this the sad world this is set,

528
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: the homeless crisis, could haven't in I'm sure many versions

529
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 1: of this should have given up.

530
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 2: Right, Well, well i'll tell you, I'll tell you. I'll

531
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 2: tell you where that comes from.

532
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 3: I'll tell you where that what I'm where, the very

533
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 3: real place where that comes from is so and it's amazing.

534
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 3: It is absolutely me riffing same stuff I was riffing

535
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 3: on with Eli in Boyce Waller's universe.

536
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 2: What I don't didn't go into.

537
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 3: In Boyce Waller's universe is all the mirror talk that

538
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 3: I did as a kid. And so in the book

539
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 3: Lower in the Mirror, our hero is kind of constantly

540
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 3: looking in this sort of magic mirror that she's found

541
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 3: on a council curbside collection just kind of manifested this

542
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 3: person inside this mirror who just represents this kind of

543
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 3: ultimate woman that she might want to be and kind

544
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 3: of is a bit of a hero to her.

545
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 2: And like when I was a kid.

546
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 3: And growing up in this housing commission house, my dad

547
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 3: was raising us four boys while mum was going through

548
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,959
Speaker 3: some stuff, and I just remember, like I started out

549
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 3: at about twelve, we had this Lifeline Duchess. It was

550
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 3: this ornate It was like a mirror that Elizabeth Taylor

551
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 3: might have had, Like it was ridiculous, being fancy, and

552
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 3: it just.

553
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 2: Didn't belong in a room.

554
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 3: It was just someone had obviously given it to Lifeline

555
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 3: and we inherited it, but it just didn't belong in

556
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 3: the room of Jesse and Trent Dalton, Like these two

557
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 3: boys from Bracken read it was just ridiculous.

558
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 2: But that was our mirror.

559
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 3: And I remember looking in that mirror sometimes when I

560
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 3: was like twelve and going like, one day I'm gonna

561
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 3: be Wally Lewis, so I'm gonna be captain of the

562
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 3: Queensland Rugby League team. Right, So you see a version

563
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 3: of that, but by that you're seeing all these different

564
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 3: versions because you're optimistic and you're hopeful and stuff. But

565
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 3: I swear this this really happened, like by the time

566
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 3: I got to about sixteen, and I'm listening to Nirvana

567
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 3: and I'm and I just I just really stopped liking

568
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 3: what I saw in the mirror, to be honest, sloler

569
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 3: like I and I would had this American baseball cap

570
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 3: and I'd pull it down over my head and I

571
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 3: because you're old enough to realize you're past and your

572
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 3: present and your future and it all looks shit, Like, honestly,

573
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 3: it all looked shit, and I just you'd walk in

574
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 3: and you pull your hat down and you reach for

575
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 3: your long beach mild cigarettes and that's.

576
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 2: All you're going to do.

577
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 3: And then if I did, if I did say anything

578
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 3: into the mirror, it wasn't hopeful, it was likely to

579
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 3: be something like fuck them all.

580
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 2: You know, you're just angry and you're just on that

581
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 2: knife edge.

582
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 3: And you know, and and I you know, I do

583
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 3: keep going back to the well of that place because

584
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 3: it it amazes me that the Adulton boys didn't go,

585
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 3: didn't pursue that anger, you know. And it's like everyone

586
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 3: talks about youth crime in Australia now and I remember

587
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 3: if someone asked me at this legal sort of it

588
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 3: was a youth advocacy forum and someone just from the

589
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 3: audience goes, Trent Dalton, how do we solve youth crime?

590
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, youth crime.

591
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 3: I could give you like two hundred answers about but

592
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 3: here's one that's been on my mind is we've got

593
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 3: to change largely what those young boys, they're largely young

594
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 3: boys of fifteen, sixteen, seventeen. We've got to change what

595
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 3: they're seeing in the mirror, as in what they're seeing

596
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 3: of themselves and what they're seeing of their past, their

597
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 3: present and the future.

598
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 2: And it was like I get that, I get that.

599
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 3: Where you don't see anything good, so there's no reason

600
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 3: to sort of change your future, you know.

601
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: I feel like that's kind of highlighted in like Charlie's character.

602
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: A little bit, totally totally, and a lot of.

603
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: The other characters that are in more the Addictionary kind

604
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: of space or moving drugs, you know, like.

605
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 3: It's oh, mate, Charlie's I love that you mentioned Charlie.

606
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 3: He to be honest, Charlie is the closest thing to

607
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 3: adult boy at that time.

608
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 2: That is a fact.

609
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 3: Like by the time I was eighteen, I was just like,

610
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 3: to be honest, like it was just I'm gonna I

611
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 3: am quite happily going to become an alcoholic and kind

612
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 3: of you know, and you.

613
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 2: Know, it was just there was just no reason not to,

614
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 2: you know.

615
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 3: And that was how I really feel for Charlie, because

616
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 3: he's like, you know, his best friend is the hero

617
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 3: of our story, and she's always just going, come on,

618
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 3: stop being such a fuck up. You're so brilliant, you're

619
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 3: so beautiful. But he just can't find his future self.

620
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 3: He doesn't have the magic mirror. He can't find that one.

621
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: He's been in that Foster Home loop.

622
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 3: Right, Sorry, he's probably catched. He's probably carrying too much,

623
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 3: that's right, that's right. Sometimes, like I dedicate the whole book.

624
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 3: What I mean, I dedicate the whole book to anyone

625
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 3: who didn't jump in the river and anyone who did.

626
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is like the river

627
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 2: of our troubles, like the weight.

628
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 3: I just mean the way, you know, the stuff that

629
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 3: buries us and drowns us, you know, And it's like,

630
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 3: and I get it, man, that's what I'm saying. And

631
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 3: anyone who did jump in the rear I get. I

632
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 3: get it, Like I don't judge that at all.

633
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: No, you know, no, no, And that's what what I love.

634
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: The way you give us the reader, Like we're feeling

635
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: empathy for each of the characters at different moments, like

636
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: even quite, like the ugly characters like is it friend

637
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: brand and Box? Yeah, like there's an ugly on this book?

638
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: So well so well no, like and I can't.

639
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: That's why I'm saying. I'm so excited because this is

640
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: a little shout out to my beautifriend's friend Stacy. Over

641
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: Christmas last year, she saw me reading a book by

642
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: an Australian author. I can't even remember it. She goes, hey,

643
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: I want to read it, and I was like, oh,

644
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: I'll send it to you as soon as I'm finished it,

645
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: and she goes, no ol traju. She goes, I've got

646
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: the best book, and she set me love stories. Oh

647
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: and she just wrote, I'm calling it book of the year.

648
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: I'm following it now, book of the How how cool

649
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: is that? And then to catch you, I'm gonna emotional

650
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: without Stacey, I know, what a sweetie. And she was

651
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: the first pison that said you need to get him

652
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: on your part.

653
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 2: I know, Stacey. I'm really enjoying this podcast, so thank you. Stacy.

654
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: Emotional with this and I feel very safe to get

655
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: emotional with you. But I was reading it. I think

656
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: I put a photo. I was in La Lonely as

657
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: Fun and which I love LA. But it is a bit.

658
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 2: We were saying, it's brutal.

659
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's just like some days the reject. You

660
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: can handle the rejection, and some days you're like, oh,

661
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: give me a break, right anyway, And I had one

662
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: of those days. I tagged I was reading your book,

663
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: and I took a photo and I tagged you in it,

664
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: and you wrote to me, don't ever stop sharing your light. Yeah,

665
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: do you remember that? It's like first the tears and

666
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: I was like, I've got it. Interview this human being.

667
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: I didn't expect to cry in this interview, by the way,

668
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,719
Speaker 1: but you're just all hart, aren't you?

669
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: Just Well? Light is thank you.

670
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 3: The best quote in this book, the best thing, the

671
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 3: truest thing I wrote. I believe it's the truest thing

672
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 3: I wrote. And the kid in the book is an

673
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 3: artist and she processes her trauma through sketches.

674
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: And there's the thing I'm saying in the book.

675
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,239
Speaker 3: About it is impossible to actually draw light on a

676
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 3: white page. Like it's amazing you mentioned don't stop sharing

677
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 3: your lot. I mean that because what I'm saying is,

678
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 3: and what I say in the book is it's impossible

679
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 3: to draw light on a white page with a black

680
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 3: ink pen.

681
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: But the way you can do it is to darken

682
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: the make the darker.

683
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 3: Stuff dark as dark as it gets, and it makes

684
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 3: the light shine that much brighter, you know, we can

685
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 3: only the light comes from the darkness which we place

686
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 3: around it, you know.

687
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 2: And it's like, I do believe what you do here,

688
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: you know.

689
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 3: And your ability to to just build the whole thing

690
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 3: around failure, like around failing, Yeah, it's freaking brilliant, Like

691
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 3: like why the hell isn't that the you know again,

692
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 3: it taps back into that's the first thing I want

693
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 3: to talk to someone about. It's like, oh, yeah, you know.

694
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: It's that true.

695
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 3: Let's get there, let's get there, let's share that because

696
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 3: it's bloody interesting.

697
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 2: And yeah, that's what I mean by your light, you know.

698
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: And I think it's like that the moments of darkness

699
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: is usually where you get to feel like that, like

700
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: and this is where both of your protagonists always have

701
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: this like unwillingless to give up thing. It's that where

702
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: that kind of goes keep sucking like heave going trussed,

703
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: you know, keep going.

704
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 2: Where have you found that though? What makes you keep

705
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: you know? Whatever?

706
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 3: That was in La, you know, and we all know

707
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 3: La right like and if and if Michael J.

708
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 2: Fox gave up, we wouldn't have you know what I mean.

709
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 3: It's like I love those people who they just dig

710
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 3: in and and I think actors are just the most

711
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 3: amazing pieceeople in terms of their resilience to just crushing blows.

712
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: Like I've spoken a lot of acts.

713
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 3: And big actors, you know, like people in the show

714
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 3: in Boycewall's universe. But you talk to those people and

715
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 3: they go, oh mate, you should have seen the ship.

716
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 3: People told me in terms of erasing my spirit, and

717
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 3: just like it's unbelievable.

718
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: The yeah, especially LA. You acting classes in LA, not

719
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: all of them, but some of them feel like your

720
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: right of passage is only through pain. And sometimes that

721
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: can be quite problematic because you're just sitting in trauma day.

722
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: So I often will try and find a teacher that

723
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: just feels true and then I trust wherever that class

724
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: is going to go. And so for me, that is

725
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: kind of like my barometer of like if this person

726
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: feels like they're their true self, then I'm going to

727
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: go to that class. But this is why I come

728
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: back to truthfulness with you. Obviously it's the way you live,

729
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: but it's kind of rare to see, like because I

730
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: think as a coping mechanism, as a human being, we

731
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: put mars, we put out into the universe, this version

732
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: of ourselves that we think people aren't going to judge

733
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: too much or we think that we need to be

734
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: and it's like it's so rare when you meet and

735
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: because of this pod, I've cried with one other guest

736
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: on the pod and it was because I felt like

737
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: they were so real and it's that's it's that same feeling.

738
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: But I think what I'm trying to say is like, yes,

739
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: you're right about truthfulness, but you live true as a

740
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: human being, and it feels rare when you meet truly.

741
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: I think you've got this beautiful superpower though, where you

742
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: can just pull the truth out of people, hence your

743
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: whole career. But how important to you is like just

744
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: being true and living true?

745
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 3: Can I tell you something I'm probably most ashamed of

746
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 3: from my youth, just just light lying about my mum

747
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 3: to people, like.

748
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: It would have been survival though, I imagine, yeah, just what

749
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 1: like kids.

750
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 3: Would go, oh, Trent, how come your mom's never at

751
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 3: the tuck shop or with stupid stuff?

752
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 2: Right?

753
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 3: But but I, you know, I you know, yeah, there's

754
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 3: really you know, like just i'd tell terrible lies about

755
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 3: what I won't even say it because it's too hurtful, like,

756
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 3: but it's like about where she was, And I was like, man, what,

757
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 3: like of course you don't have the full thought that

758
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 3: twelve to go.

759
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: Or sorry, like eight, nine, ten to go.

760
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 3: Well, she's in a really tough time. She's going to

761
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 3: come out and be the most amazing grandma. It's going

762
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 3: to work for this place over at Redcliffe, and she's

763
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 3: going to be so loved by her workplace, and and

764
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 3: she's going to go to Grandparents' Day as this incredible

765
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 3: mum that her granddaughters are going to just love to bits.

766
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 2: And then and then I'll tell you, and then I say.

767
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 3: Okay, there's there's there's just a total fakery. And then

768
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 3: I remember getting into high school and I just have

769
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 3: I was just always exuberant.

770
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 2: I don't know why, Lola, I don't know why. I

771
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 2: was enthusiastic about life, right.

772
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 3: And then I remember this guy at school once just

773
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 3: like just giving me ship, like he called me, like

774
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 3: he goes ah yeah, you know, he goes ah yeah, faggot,

775
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 3: like you know, just stop being so happy, you know.

776
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 2: And I remember I remember distinkly going home and like,

777
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 2: you know, ship at home is not good. Ship at

778
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 2: school's not good.

779
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 3: And I remember just going I remember I remember, honestly,

780
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 3: I was picking out the mattress foam of my older

781
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 3: brother's mattress.

782
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 2: I remember lying it with double bunk you know, bunk beds, and.

783
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 3: I was picking that, you know, and and I just remember,

784
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 3: like I remember like picking out and I just said

785
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 3: something like stop like picking out the words stop and

786
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 3: what I was going like, stop being it's not being

787
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 3: this fucking bright, chirpy idiot. Honestly, I was like, I

788
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 3: am never going to be like I told myself, like,

789
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 3: stop it, because no one likes that guy.

790
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: Can you believe that.

791
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: That's your spirit? Like you're quite like, you're enthusiastic, your passionate.

792
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 3: You're like, it's just like and it was just like

793
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 3: I remember distinctly, and it was just like what a

794
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 3: what a like what a what a terrible thing? Like?

795
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 3: I just like that thing is the thing that got

796
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 3: me a job in journalism. It was the thing that

797
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 3: if you're talking about whatever people want it, it's my

798
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 3: it's my enthusiasm for their story. And it was just

799
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 3: like and then what happened to me that I was

800
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 3: really lucky that happened is that I kind of met

801
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 3: this girl fon my wife now and she, to be honest,

802
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 3: kind of celebrated every part of me, you know, and

803
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 3: just went like like she sometimes to this day says,

804
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 3: can you turn it down a bit?

805
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 2: Can you turn the volume down a bit? That'd be great.

806
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 3: That's sometimes sometimes it's all a bit too much, and

807
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 3: don't get me wrong to it if I am being

808
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 3: truthful too man, terrible.

809
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 2: Guy to live with, and just like that.

810
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 3: The ups and downs of that is that I'm so

811
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 3: bright for like you on this podcast, right and then

812
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 3: like Lola Berry gets the best of me, and then

813
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 3: and then I'm like and then Fee's got to go

814
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 3: like hey, hey later on tonight, and I'm like, I

815
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 3: don't know, I've just given everything to like all these

816
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 3: people during the day and forget to give it back

817
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 3: to my wife like in the kitchen at six pm,

818
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 3: you know, and it's like there's all that and she

819
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 3: understands all of that. Anyway, what I'm trying to say

820
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 3: is it was like it was it was only becoming

821
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 3: my true self that anything good ever started happening to me.

822
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 2: And then it was only even going deeper into my.

823
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,919
Speaker 3: True self Boyce Swallows universe at the age of thirty eight,

824
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 3: Like that took. That took like almost frigging like three

825
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 3: decades after some of that.

826
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: Shit for me thirty eight like a week ago.

827
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 2: So happy birthday. That's amazing.

828
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually inspiring to hear that.

829
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 3: Good age like you you're coming towards that kind of

830
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 3: all bets are off, mate, all bets are off. You've

831
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 3: you know, you've done your hard work, You've done your bit,

832
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 3: you worked your ass off.

833
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: From your twenties and thirties.

834
00:38:58,719 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, just where.

835
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 3: I love where you're at, and you're just so now

836
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 3: you're going, You've gone, You're going to do I'm going

837
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 3: to go to LA and do the impossible.

838
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 2: You know, I'm going to do the thing that we

839
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: all know is impossible.

840
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, you're still doing it, like you're correct me

841
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 3: if I'm wrong. The plan is like you're over there,

842
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 3: like getting acting, doing acting stuff, getting gigs to try

843
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 3: and making your way taking the hits.

844
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally doing the impossible.

845
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 3: I just admire that to do that at thirty eight

846
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 3: is freaking brilliant. Like, that's deeply inspiring. I'm sure it's

847
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 3: inspiring anyone listening to this.

848
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: So can I share something to you that happened to

849
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: me recently in the LA and I really I wrote

850
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: it in my it's a random question. It has absolutely

851
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: nothing to do with you as a writer. But I

852
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: went and saw a playwright speak. His name is John

853
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 1: Patrick Shanley. He's quite a prolific writer.

854
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 3: He wrote Doubt and I think he's amazing. I was

855
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 3: going to say, I knew, I'd known the name doubt

856
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 3: is incredible.

857
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

858
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 1: Right, so he's seventy two, is he really? And I

859
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: went to see some works of just scenes here thrown together, right,

860
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: So he writes consistent writer. Anyway, in between each scene,

861
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: he get up and kind of answer all of our

862
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: questions on stage. And he loves writing about mother daughter

863
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 1: or lett's that his whole jam. He's like, Arthur Miller

864
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: has done the father something perfectly. I want to sit

865
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: with the mother daughter. It's his whole jam.

866
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: Wow.

867
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: Anyway, he said this thing just like was like an

868
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: arrow that just shot through my heart. And he goes,

869
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: you're either writing or you're not. Ah, how does that like?

870
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 3: Ing?

871
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: Like does that? How does that feel to you?

872
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 3: It's it's absolutely as simple as it is as it gets.

873
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 3: That's saying. That's so true. I totally believe that so

874
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 3: much of what we either read is is is just

875
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 3: not good. Right, Like, it's like so much it's just done.

876
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 3: It's just completed. It's been finished, and it's like, that's

877
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 3: our job. And that's what I say. I say to people,

878
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 3: don't get so dawned by the prospect by the process,

879
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 3: and the everyone gets so daunted by the outcome and.

880
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 2: That they never get to the outcome, you know what

881
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 2: I mean.

882
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 3: It's so it's so hard to just keep it unfinished

883
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 3: because you get defeated by your own self doubt, which

884
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 3: is only this horrible thing called the brain, which is

885
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 3: a complete traitor and impost and it will be the

886
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 3: thing that always tells me that I'm such a chanceer

887
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 3: from bracken Reade and I don't belong to this day

888
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 3: no matter what I've done. And it's this thing the heart, though,

889
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 3: that keeps being my friend and goes I have higher

890
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 3: hopes for you, buddy, So get back down to the desk,

891
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 3: and you are either writing or you are not. And

892
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 3: it's like every time I'm writing, every time, the Gods

893
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 3: reward me. The writing God's reward me because I decided

894
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 3: to write, you know. And that's so true. Forget about

895
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 3: the bullshit I've seen people. I've seen people post things

896
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 3: and they go.

897
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 2: They're like, I did my setup.

898
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 3: I've got my poster on the wall and I've got

899
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 3: my I've got my Yeah. Just even like this writing

900
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 3: space we're we're in like a really cool writing space,

901
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 3: and we spent a bit of time, my writing partner

902
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 3: and I'm putting up some posters and stuff, and it's.

903
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: Like The Godfather Part three here, and we literally voiced it.

904
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 2: We're like, we're going to get a bit of the

905
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: spirit of Francis.

906
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 3: Ford Copper in us, right, and then over here we're

907
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 3: going to get the spirit of like John Lennon.

908
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 2: We're going to get it. We're going to get a

909
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: bit of John. But it all means nothing.

910
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 3: It means nothing if you're not just at the desk writing.

911
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 3: And he's so right, you know, and and he's seventy

912
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 3: two and he's looking back now, that amazing playwright and

913
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 3: just going, yeah, you know what it was. I just

914
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 3: sat down and I wrote yeah. And it's like, do

915
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 3: you think that's what he means?

916
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 1: Yeah? He does, Yeah, But it just as like someone

917
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 1: that loves to create. I was like, oh, yeah, I'm

918
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: either doing that creative thing I love in whatever form

919
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: that is writing podcasts or whatever, or I'm not. It's

920
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: just but it just it just untrue.

921
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 2: That is that meaning for you? Then? Is that? Like

922
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 2: is that the meaning of life? Like? Is that is that?

923
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 3: It? Is it? As could it be? As That's what

924
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 3: I've often wondered, is the meaning of my life?

925
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 2: Writing?

926
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, you do also address the meaning

927
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: of the world and the.

928
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 2: Meaning I do.

929
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 3: I do, and it's not for any but I think.

930
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: I think so. I'm a big yogi and I teach yoga,

931
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: and there's a word in yoga called dama, and it

932
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: means to live your true calling or purpose and to

933
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: honor that dama, like to honor that within you. Yeah,

934
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: and so I think you writing honors your dama. I

935
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: think that's you on a spiritual hippie kind of you know.

936
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: Oh well, I'm going to rhyme something with dama.

937
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 3: The Dalai Lama who I interviewed once amazing and I

938
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 3: spent like two days with him, follow meing around Brisbane.

939
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 3: That was my I just got a signed like great

940
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 3: gig and you know, and everything one might imagine about

941
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 3: him times are by ten And by the end I

942
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 3: watched this man move people just by you know, his

943
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 3: dama is genuinely just meeting people and just elevating them somehow.

944
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 3: But I leaned into him. I had one more question

945
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 3: left of my whole time with him. He's like we

946
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 3: were done. We were done. It had been an amazing experience.

947
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 2: And I leaned in.

948
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 3: I said, why am I here? And I meant, while

949
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 3: I eight billion of us on this rock.

950
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 2: And he leans in.

951
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 3: He goes, there was a Channel seven lighting person over

952
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 3: in the corner over there, and then there was his

953
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 3: security guard who was dressed in this Louis Vaton all

954
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 3: black suit.

955
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 2: It was like a ninja. This dude.

956
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 3: He looked amazing, most handsome man you've ever seen, and

957
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 3: he could kill you with two fingers type guy. He

958
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 3: points to him and he says, you were here to

959
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 3: speak to him and tell his story. And he points

960
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 3: to the lighting person. You were here to speak to her,

961
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 3: and you were here to tell her story, and you

962
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 3: were here to talk to me and tell my story.

963
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 2: That's all you have to do.

964
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 3: And he meant, like, I meant eight billion of us

965
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 3: and he went, now, I'm going to tell you what

966
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 3: Trent Dalton.

967
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:07,439
Speaker 2: Has to do.

968
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: Is that also then to connect.

969
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 2: That's it. That's it.

970
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 3: That's all he's saying, and goes, because the more you

971
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 3: do that, the more we learn from everyone you've connected with,

972
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 3: and then we connect.

973
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 2: To you and that person. And it was just so simple.

974
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: That's your whole jam.

975
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 2: It crystallized it.

976
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 3: It was an amazingly profound kind of release for me,

977
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 3: Like it was just like, oh all right, it's not

978
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 3: that complicated yet, Okay.

979
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: It's yeah. It is connection. Like someone people If people

980
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: say why why study acting, I'm like to touch people's

981
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: hearts right now. When you go to a play, or

982
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: you read a book, or you listen to a piece

983
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 1: of music, it can stop you on your tracks, right.

984
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 2: Especially in a theater and a playoff.

985
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 1: And it can change your heart.

986
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 3: Oh how many times have you driven back from a

987
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 3: play and gone, yeah, okay, I'm going to take that

988
00:45:58,760 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 3: with me.

989
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 2: That's going to change me in some way.

990
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 3: I'm guilty of forgetting the thing I learned, you know

991
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 3: so quickly, you know, like you you.

992
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: Do that feeling. I don't think you forget that fear true.

993
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 3: Which is why when you said doubt, for example, I go,

994
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 3: oh wow, that's all suddenly comes back to me the

995
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 3: feelings I had with that, or you know, or yeah,

996
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 3: just death of a salesman, and like we were talking

997
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 3: them about that before the point and we're like, yeah,

998
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 3: it's like those things that speak to me, and they go, yeah,

999
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 3: you're right. You apply the feelings. You're right, it's the

1000
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 3: good art. That's great art, isn't it that you never

1001
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 3: forget the feelings that gave you right?

1002
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: Well, I can't talk to you about this book without

1003
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: talking about the homeless crisis here. And yeah, yeah, to

1004
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: be really honest with you, I've was pretty ignorant about it.

1005
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: I didn't know. And then as soon as I finished

1006
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: the book, I was like, I said, yelled out to

1007
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: my boyfriend. We call each other boss, and I was like, boss,

1008
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: work and I need a research, I need to do

1009
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: more reason and I just wanted to learn. And I

1010
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: had no idea how hard Brizzy gets hit versus other

1011
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: parts of Australia. I did not know that at all.

1012
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: And you talk about this like there's an invisibility that

1013
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: comes with being a homeless person here in Brisbane and

1014
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 1: please reckon me if I say anything wrong or at like,

1015
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: I'm here to learn, and I know that when you

1016
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: do your launch, I think you're raising awareness for is

1017
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 1: it second Chance?

1018
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 2: Second Chance?

1019
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 3: So we're doing a big fundraiser where yeah, like all

1020
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 3: of the profits, it's because of this amazing woman named

1021
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 3: Fiona stegu who runs this bookshop in West End called avid.

1022
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 2: Reader, you know Avid Reader. Yeah, of course you would.

1023
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, And she's just totally giving away, like you know,

1024
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 3: the money to Second Chance, and second Chance raises money

1025
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 3: for particularly women and children who have been kind of

1026
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 3: forced out on the street, largely through domestic violence. And

1027
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 3: you know, so that for me, like Lola gets back

1028
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 3: to Voyewaller's universe stuff like that's you know, that's my mum.

1029
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 3: There was times in my mum's life and she'll tell

1030
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 3: you you know, she had her monsters, you know, and

1031
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 3: and she you know, she relied on DV shelters and

1032
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 3: and you know the truth of it is is that

1033
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 3: sometimes the only option she had is go back to

1034
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 3: the monster or go homeless, you know.

1035
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 2: And that's where that stuff comes from.

1036
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 3: And then and then at that same time, across town,

1037
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 3: we're being raised by this you know, this incredibly beautiful

1038
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 3: man who's my dad, who just has these massive demons,

1039
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 3: and biggest demon being the drink. But we were renting

1040
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 3: off public you know, through public housing, a little three

1041
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 3: bedroom ship box for less than one hundred dollars a week, right,

1042
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 3: and that was from you know, we did that for

1043
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 3: ten years, and I just have no doubt that we

1044
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,280
Speaker 3: wouldn't get that home if it was in twenty twenty

1045
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 3: three in Queensland.

1046
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 2: So Queensland.

1047
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 3: The reason Queensland struggling is that it's beautiful one day

1048
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 3: and perfectly fucked the next. Like it's everything that attracts

1049
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 3: anyone wealthy to Queensland is the same thing that you know,

1050
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 3: the sun, the climate. Well, it's also really good to

1051
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 3: sleep in if you sleep in rough you know. So

1052
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 3: a lot of people are coming up here just to

1053
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 3: sleep on the streets and that's a fact. But also

1054
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 3: we've got a horrendous DV problem here in Brisbane and

1055
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 3: and really sadly, you know, a lot of the cases

1056
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 3: of women they're in cars with their kids doing athletics

1057
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 3: because they can't go home, you know, and it's too

1058
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,240
Speaker 3: dangerous and and yeah.

1059
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: It's a real problem.

1060
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 3: And you know, but also cost of living that's facing

1061
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 3: every city in this country, you know.

1062
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 2: So Brisbane's absolutely not immune to that.

1063
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 3: And so there's a just down the road from where

1064
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 3: we're speaking, we're talking in the in Fortitude Valley, there's

1065
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 3: this great place called Third Space and I've been documenting

1066
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 3: that place for fifteen years as a journal and I

1067
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 3: remember one day I interviewed in that place in the

1068
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 3: in the kitchen cafeteria where they were. This family was

1069
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 3: out in the smokers courtyard. They're out there because there

1070
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 3: was that packed there were There was a grandmother, a

1071
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 3: mother and a granddaughter, so three generations of the same family,

1072
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 3: all because of an active domestic violence.

1073
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 2: They'd find found themselves absolutely.

1074
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 3: In the throes of homelessness, having to get their lunch

1075
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 3: at the Third Space homeless shelter. And the girl was

1076
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 3: not even ten, I remember, and it was it was

1077
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 3: almost a story too sad to print. It almost didn't

1078
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 3: even send it in. It was so fricking sad. But

1079
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 3: that really stayed with me for Lola. In the mirror

1080
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,760
Speaker 3: that that you sort of there are so many echoes

1081
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 3: of that.

1082
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you can feel like there's a line. I

1083
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: think it's like they call Australia the lucky country. That

1084
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: one is it? One women's killed every week in Australia

1085
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: to domestic Yeah, and.

1086
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 3: I had, well, the numbers are higher than that this

1087
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 3: already so far it looks like we're going to get

1088
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 3: higher than that, you know. So it's yeah, mate, it's

1089
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 3: there's an amazing Yeah, there's a place called online called

1090
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 3: Dangerous Females and they always update and it's it's it's

1091
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 3: so wondrous that they do it, and it just reminds

1092
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 3: me every week that, yeah, and they'll they'll post about

1093
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 3: every woman across Australia who has died, and it is

1094
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 3: it's the scourge, you know, it's the scourge of Australia.

1095
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 3: And it's tied up in our masculinity, it's tied up

1096
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 3: in our how fucked up we are. And kind of

1097
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 3: as a as a nation, you know, we have a

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00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 3: there's just no doubt about it. We have a violence

1099
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 3: streak in US as a nation, you know what I mean.

1100
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 3: And I think that stems from where where we came

1101
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 3: from as a nation.

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00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 2: Now kind of you.

1103
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 3: Know, we we were born through violence, you know, the

1104
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 3: whole nation was born through violence. And it's sort of

1105
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 3: like and and it's something we're absolutely addressing and we're

1106
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 3: so much better at it. But I'll tell you, mate,

1107
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 3: I'll tell you there were times, you know, with my mum,

1108
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 3: we weren't good at it at all, Like in the

1109
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 3: nineties it was terrible, Like some of the shit that

1110
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 3: my mum got told about her options.

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00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, and so that's where all

1112
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 2: that's coming from.

1113
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 3: And so yeah, this this fundraiser we're doing is just

1114
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 3: and it's so lovely to see the people of Brisbane.

1115
00:51:58,320 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 3: They're coming out and they're just going, yeah, I'm there.

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00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 3: I'm there because I see it myself. I've been touched. Like,

1117
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 3: let's be who hasn't been touched by it? Like, you know,

1118
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 3: I bet you you've got your stories of someone in

1119
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 3: your sphere somewhere, you know what I mean that you

1120
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 3: know someone who's been through either DV found themselves just

1121
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 3: the one, two or three steps away from the street,

1122
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 3: Like that's that's just a fact now, and I think

1123
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 3: it's They used to say it's three steps, just three

1124
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 3: moments of misfortune, you know, lose your job.

1125
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 2: You lose your job and you're in debt.

1126
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 3: I'm telling you it used to be you could rely

1127
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 3: on some social housing or something.

1128
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

1129
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 3: It's not the case anymore. And it's definitely not in Brisbane.

1130
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 3: The waiting list is just too long. Yeah, So it's yea.

1131
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 2: I just wanted to write about not in a preachy

1132
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 2: way at all.

1133
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 3: There's nothing that's good, there's nothing worse than someone sort

1134
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 3: of just embedding their book with just full preach mode.

1135
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 3: But it was like, I have to write about the

1136
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 3: world just out there, but let's do it in the

1137
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 3: same way Dickens did, or the same way Shakespeare did.

1138
00:52:58,200 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 2: Where it's like, let's fill it.

1139
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 3: Within treating and crime and mystery, magic and a bit

1140
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 3: of magic, you know, and and and you know the

1141
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 3: best one of all love. Let's fine, let's make it

1142
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 3: a freaking love story.

1143
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: I love the love.

1144
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's my favorite part of the book.

1145
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: There was a moment where I was like, oh, this

1146
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 1: better not Loves where I was like, quickly, you're the best.

1147
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: Thing about both of your books. It's like, the more

1148
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: you not both. There's four, right, four books.

1149
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 2: This is my fifth. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

1150
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: And the more you read, the quick it's like, you

1151
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: can't you're the best. But there's something I read in

1152
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 1: an article. Let's be my last question about the homelessness

1153
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: here is there was an article I read last time,

1154
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:44,280
Speaker 1: and it was homeless first attic. Second, Oh, the addiction

1155
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: is a way to dull pain and the trauma of

1156
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: living on the street, you know.

1157
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 3: And oh, Lola, I'm so glad. That's amazing. I love that.

1158
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,439
Speaker 4: That's such a brilliant, succinct way of putting it right,

1159
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 4: because I I know, I just think like this in

1160
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 4: visible ability you talk about is like, wow, it's it's

1161
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,919
Speaker 4: kind of it's easier to turn a blind eye.

1162
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, oh well it's because they're an

1163
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: addict or whatever. It's like no, no, no, no, like homeless verse adict.

1164
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: Second.

1165
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 3: Okay, every every social issue Australia faces finds it what

1166
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 3: it finds its way to the front gates of Third

1167
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 3: Space Homeless Shelter, imprison at eight thirty am. And I mean,

1168
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,280
Speaker 3: but what I mean by that is every Indigenous issue,

1169
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 3: every child abuse issue.

1170
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 2: Every childhood trauma issue.

1171
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 3: So I wrote a whole book and it went nowhere,

1172
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 3: this book, and it was just a sort of a

1173
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 3: it's like a self funded thing that the homeless shelter

1174
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 3: that Third Space made themselves used to be called one

1175
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 3: three nine club was these in the days when it

1176
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 3: was known as it's been around for fifty years, this shelter.

1177
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 3: About ten years ago we all and I did it.

1178
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 3: I wrote the book called Detours and it was interviewing

1179
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 3: twenty people regulars from that shelter about the moment the

1180
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 3: detour moment that set them on the path to homelessness.

1181
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 3: And they the whole book was based on what you

1182
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 3: just said, homeless first, attic second, So please can we

1183
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 3: break down the myth that everyone's out there on that

1184
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 3: street because of addiction.

1185
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 2: It's not trauma will get you on the street.

1186
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 3: Often oftentimes they were stories of trauma and and depression,

1187
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 3: deep sorrow, you know, and and an overwhelming sense of

1188
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 3: not being able to cope in this mad world. And

1189
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 3: and yes, drink and drugs will help you numb the

1190
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 3: pain and get you through a freaking night out.

1191
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,720
Speaker 2: In you know, ten degrees you know cold.

1192
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 3: And so it's sort of like that whole book was

1193
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 3: all about and every person.

1194
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 2: You know, there were stories in that book.

1195
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 3: You know, one guy telling me, you know, he was

1196
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:52,280
Speaker 3: in the army, there's an explosion in a tank, loses

1197
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 3: his left eye, gets kicked out.

1198
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 2: Of the army. You know, it just goes on from that.

1199
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Speaker 1: No, I feel like there's a nod to that in

1200
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: one of the characters.

1201
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 3: Well said, I'm telling you there's a well, that's absolutely

1202
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 3: surge in the book. Absolutely, And the character of Roslin

1203
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 3: is based from this character who had a sugar addiction.

1204
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 2: She genuinely, because the sugar addiction came from moments of abuse.

1205
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 3: You know, one thing leads to another, leads to the street,

1206
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 3: and that's sort of like that's me.

1207
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: Clinkers right, clink Yes, you're amazing.

1208
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 2: Thank you for not on this book so well. It's

1209
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 2: such a tribute.

1210
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: Can I put you on the spot and ask you

1211
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: read my favorite paragraph?

1212
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 2: I'd be honest.

1213
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot that I love, but I

1214
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: kept coming back to this one. Oh you're the best,

1215
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: just go for it. But it's from down there, you

1216
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: know that, you know this thing.

1217
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 3: I sit up right, I sit up right on the

1218
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 3: edge of the bed, something right and true, that the

1219
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 3: artist is captured in the girl, the.

1220
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 2: Sorrow and the girl the hope in the girl.

1221
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 3: The words coming from the girl's mouth, silly words, dumb

1222
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 3: words that never should have been captured in time, I

1223
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 3: am invisible, the speech bubble reads, I am invisible.

1224
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: That made me cry again.

1225
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,760
Speaker 3: No, Lola, thank you that that moment. And I won't

1226
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 3: say what's happening there, but that moment started the book

1227
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 3: like I started at that moment because I love that

1228
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:07,919
Speaker 3: moment so much.

1229
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 2: A thief.

1230
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 3: Finding a moment of true love inside the room that

1231
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 3: she's robbing, and.

1232
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:17,479
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, that's cool.

1233
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 3: I read that before, you know, and I was like,

1234
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 3: that could be a good start to a love story.

1235
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 2: So I just love I love that.

1236
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 3: You've noted that, and it's yeah, it's my favorite part

1237
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 3: in the book. My favorite part.

1238
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, friend, it is. I hope I can call you

1239
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: a friend.

1240
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 2: Now, but sure can? You sure can?

1241
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: An absolutely honor And to the listeners, I can't wait

1242
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: for you to read this book. By the time this

1243
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: pod comes at it will be available and on the shelves,

1244
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,439
Speaker 1: and please get yourself a copy. And if people want

1245
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: to get around and support something I'm so passionate about

1246
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: this homeless crisis. Is second Chance a good thing to support?

1247
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 3: That'll be beautiful if anyone wanted to look up Second

1248
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 3: Chance and they're versions of it in their city, you know,

1249
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 3: organations helping women in particular on the street. It's one

1250
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 3: of the most rapidly rising demographics women, particularly women over

1251
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 3: fifty five. So it's yeah, I'd just urge you to

1252
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 3: just to sort of keep a little piece of your.

1253
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 2: Heart open to that kind of world.

1254
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: That's amazing, Trent Dalton, you are amazing.

1255
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 3: Lola, I've got one thing to say to you. Please

1256
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 3: don't stop sharing your light and.

1257
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 2: Then repeat it. I really love this. Thanks for having me.

1258
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 2: It's a real joy.

1259
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: You're wonderful. That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing.

1260
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: As always, thank you to our guests, and let's continue

1261
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: the conversation on Instagram. I'm at Yamo Lollaberry. This potty

1262
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: my word for podcast is available on all streaming platforms.

1263
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: I'd love it if you could subscribe, rate and comment

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00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,360
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