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Speaker 1: Artificial intelligence. It is everywhere and your kids know all

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Speaker 1: about it too many of them are using it in

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Speaker 1: dangerous ways. Plus how many screens do you have in

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Speaker 1: your home and how much are they being used? Hello?

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Happy Families podcast, Real Parenting Solutions every Day.

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Speaker 1: This is Australia's most downloaded parenting podcast. We are Justin

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Speaker 1: and Kylie Coulson and the recap continues from Parental Guidance

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Speaker 1: Season three, Episode one on Monday night. If you haven't

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Speaker 1: seen it, you can catch up on nine Now. The

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Speaker 1: topic for the week how do we parent in the

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Speaker 1: digital age. We've got focused parents Amy and Mark. They're

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Speaker 1: active parents, Nathan and Joanne they're our traditional parents, Courtney

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Speaker 1: and John are our protech parents, and Mark and Tammy

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Speaker 1: are our up front parents. On yesterday's episode, we were

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Speaker 1: talking about how our children might soon be interacting with

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Speaker 1: AI if they're not already, and the implication of that

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Speaker 1: understanding that AI is the new social media bots are everywhere.

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Speaker 1: What's real? What's fake? How can we tell?

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Speaker 2: That?

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Speaker 3: Was yesterday So a moment that shocked everyone on episode

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Speaker 3: one was a link that featured your image setting up

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Speaker 3: a new challenge. Here's what happened?

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Speaker 2: Hi?

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Speaker 1: There, it's doctor Justin Colson here with your next challenge.

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Speaker 1: In the modern world, many friendships take place online, but

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Speaker 1: just how real can these friendships be? Your child will

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Speaker 1: now make a new online friend.

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Speaker 3: We haven't been introduced to them yet, but Cassie and

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Speaker 3: Josh they're the life school parents. They asked this question.

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Speaker 3: Can I just triple confirmed that the video of you

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Speaker 3: at the start is you and it's not an aiimage?

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Speaker 1: Justin? Was that you in that video? I did not

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Speaker 1: record that video message. I've never heard or seen this

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Speaker 1: until now. It wasn't me. It is a deep fake. Wow,

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Speaker 1: who made the video?

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Speaker 4: I did?

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Speaker 3: Oh our talent to Lucy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is one of our producers and camera operators.

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Speaker 1: How long did that take you to make.

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Speaker 4: The whole process?

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Speaker 3: Take about twenty minutes?

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Speaker 1: Twenty so?

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Speaker 3: Did you have to upload a photo of him that

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Speaker 3: you found, like online or something?

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Speaker 4: Yes? I took about three minutes of video footage of

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Speaker 4: Justin which I found online, uploaded it to the platform,

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Speaker 4: and then I had a digital avatar of Justin which

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Speaker 1: Cassie, Clock Dirt and our protech parents. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: I had no idea, I had no idea anyone else

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Speaker 1: No, I didn't think about it that we were actually excited.

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Speaker 3: So I literally turned to you when that came on

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Speaker 3: and said, is that actually you?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 1: Instantly?

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Speaker 1: In fact, I don't think you asked the question. I

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Speaker 1: think you made a claim that's not you, so you

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Speaker 3: So it wasn't the image, it was the voice. It

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Speaker 1: Well. Also my movements were quite unnatural.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but that came later instantly when I connected your

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Speaker 1: Okay, So that's great for you because you know me well.

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Speaker 1: But there are some pretty I was going to say,

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Speaker 1: severe significant, really important implications here, particularly around our children,

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Speaker 1: especially our young girls, and what to do in terms

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Speaker 1: the issue of deep fakes is I would say, in

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Speaker 3: As an attack against boys, the reality and.

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Speaker 3: That does happen, But the reality is the fallout from

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Speaker 5: So this is particularly concerning for girls and women where

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Speaker 1: There was a Channel nine reporter football reporter who recently

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Speaker 1: Our conversation now really needs to be about what we

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Speaker 1: What conversations are we supposed to be having with our daughters. Now.

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Speaker 1: This is a really provocative thing to say, but I'm

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Speaker 3: we had a tricky question a number of weeks ago

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Speaker 1: Because a bit too provocative. Yeah, but it doesn't matter, Correl.

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Speaker 1: So the advice to be careful what you post, be

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Speaker 3: It's no longer relevant.

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Speaker 1: In fact, it's a criminal offense. Teach them more than that.

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Speaker 1: It shows a lack of empathy and a lack of

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Speaker 1: to talk about screen time, because, oh my goodness, was

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Speaker 1: this a revealing activity? Okay, Kylie? Online content is everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's connected, everybody is compulsively and completely online, but to

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Speaker 1: All of our focus families were asked to do an

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Speaker 5: Here we go, average usage thirty eight minutes.

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Speaker 1: You averaged sixty three pickups of your phone sixty three

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Speaker 1: Maybe Joanne knows the hooks that it has into her

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Speaker 1: And that not possible.

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Speaker 1: today's podcast. I mean, you know how I feel about this.

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Speaker 1: we're not spending time on those relationships. Cannot emphasize enough

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Speaker 1: our kids need. Our kids need to be having analog

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Speaker 1: study that has just grabbed my attention so much. Nine

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Speaker 1: times more activation face to face versus on zoom. This

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Speaker 1: is a problem. I'm concerned about predatory behavior from people

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Speaker 1: So this stuff matters. It matters a great deal as parents.

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Speaker 1: It's incumbent upon us to set appropriate boundaries and have

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Speaker 1: to do that, I've written about it extensively in my

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Speaker 1: book The Parenting Revolution, which is based on the TV

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Speaker 1: show Parental Guidance. You can find The Parenting Revolution wherever

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Speaker 1: you buy your books, and I think it's the most

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Speaker 1: important pairing book that I've ever written, Like it needs

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Speaker 1: there though tomorrow our final discussion about online bullying. Oh

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Speaker 1: my goodness.

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Speaker 2: Of course, the worst case scenario is we've seen younger

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Speaker 2: and younger, often young girls take their lives, you know,

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Speaker 2: letting our kids know that we'll be there for them

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Speaker 2: no matter what happens is really really important.

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Speaker 1: I love this TV show, Parential Guidance Season three. You

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Speaker 1: can catch up on nine now on the app. The

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Speaker 1: Happy Families podcast is produced by Justin Roland from Bridge Media.

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Speaker 1: Mim Hammond's provides research and other support, and Craig Bruce

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Speaker 1: is our executive producer across this busy parental guidance recap stage.

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