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Speaker 1: Now joining me on the line is Labour's Member for

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Speaker 1: Solomon Luke Gosling.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Luke, Morning Katie Luke. It's said

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Speaker 2: to be an interesting day. I would suspect.

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Speaker 1: I know that we asked the Federal Health Minister about

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Speaker 1: this a short time ago. We know the Northern territories

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Speaker 1: obviously moved to a no vax, no traveling to the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory policy. The Prime Minister has previously said people

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be discriminated against based on their vaccination status. And

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Speaker 1: we know that Pauline Hanson is claiming that she's going

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Speaker 1: to cause havoc unless Scott Morrison backs her legislation making

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Speaker 1: it unlawful to discriminate against unvaccinated assies. The Health Minister

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Speaker 1: said that no, they would not be supporting this legislation.

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Speaker 1: But Luke, what's it going to mean for this last

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Speaker 1: or for this week of parliament.

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Speaker 3: You hit the nail on the head, Codie. It's pretty

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Speaker 3: willing down here. Obviously, as an election gets closer, the

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Speaker 3: government seeking to make friends with Pauline Hansen. But what

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Speaker 3: they should be doing is making sure that, for example,

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Speaker 3: that we had the debate today that's now been thrown

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Speaker 3: off the agenda into whether the territory shoot or the

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Speaker 3: two territories should have the same rights as everyone else

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Speaker 3: in the country. But as far as those other matters,

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Speaker 3: I spoke with Greek Hunt on the way down the

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Speaker 3: federal Health Minister on the way down here, and obviously

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Speaker 3: said we needed to do more when it comes to

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Speaker 3: giving people are in the communities the opportunity to get

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Speaker 3: vaccinated to protect themselves and their families. But also we

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Speaker 3: needed better communications out there in the communities because there

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Speaker 3: has been a lot of misinformation and we need to

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Speaker 3: give people as much information as possible on which debate

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Speaker 3: their decision about whether they get a vaccine or not.

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Speaker 3: And just quickly I'll cover off on the Prime minister's

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Speaker 3: words because he is speaking on both sides of his

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Speaker 3: mouth at the moment in that he bought in no pay,

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Speaker 3: which basically meant that there was no childcare subsidy if

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Speaker 3: your kid was going to go to childcare but didn't

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Speaker 3: have the required vaccines. I mean, he brought that in

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Speaker 3: and explained the reasons why that was necessary, but to

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Speaker 3: chase some votes by basically trying to say that now

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Speaker 3: he isn't in favor of taking necessarily necessary precautions to

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Speaker 3: protect people in the community just shows a distinct lack

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Speaker 3: of leadership on his part.

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Speaker 2: So what do you reckon needs to happen here, Luke, Well, what.

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Speaker 3: Needs to happen is the territories and the states need

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Speaker 3: to be backed by the federal government in what they're

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Speaker 3: trying to achieve to keep people safe. No one's being

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Speaker 3: forced to take the vaccine. But what needs to happen

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Speaker 3: in terms of the territories and their rights is that

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Speaker 3: we should be able to make our own laws the

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Speaker 3: same as everyone else. But what's happened is they haven't

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Speaker 3: backed Sam Marn's bill on territory rights and that is

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Speaker 3: a crying shame because and they just clearly have no

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Speaker 3: intention of giving us the same rights as people in

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Speaker 3: the States. And I've got a petition here from coda NT,

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Speaker 3: the Council of the Aging NT, has been signed by

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Speaker 3: thousands of Territorians who say, look, this is about us

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Speaker 3: not being second class citizens and having the same rights

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Speaker 3: as everyone else. So leave it up to territorians whether

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Speaker 3: we want to legislate around voluntary euthanasia as one example,

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Speaker 3: but give us the same rights as other Australian citizens

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Speaker 3: to make our own laws. The Morrison government has said no.

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Speaker 1: Does this mean obviously we know that Sam McMahon had

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Speaker 1: been pushing obviously for this bill to happen or for

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Speaker 1: it to be brought forward. Does this mean now because

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Speaker 1: of the One Nation Senator Pauline Hanson, we'll hijacking. I

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Speaker 1: guess some would say legislation priorities, that it's not going

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Speaker 1: to happen now before Christmas, and then when could it

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Speaker 1: really happen.

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Speaker 3: Sam McMahon confirmed to me last night when we flew

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Speaker 3: down from Darwin that it wouldn't be happening this year.

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Speaker 3: That's the reality of it. But what she probably can't say,

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Speaker 3: But what is the truth is that the current Morrison

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Speaker 3: government does not want a debate or any legislation change

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Speaker 3: that removes the Andrews Bill because whilst Andrews Bill is there,

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Speaker 3: they have, the current Morrison government, they have the power

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Speaker 3: to make laws over the territory and to stop us

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Speaker 3: from making laws for ourselves, and that's wrong and they

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Speaker 3: should as a priority then in the new year allow

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Speaker 3: that debate to occur about territorians and their rights, because

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Speaker 3: we do deserve the same rights as everyone else in

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Speaker 3: this country.

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Speaker 1: Well, Luke Olsling, I know it's always an interesting time

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Speaker 1: when Parliament sits for it is going to be interesting today,

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Speaker 1: I reckon, given what the Senator Pauline Hanson's obviously putting forward,

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Speaker 1: and to see who crosses the floor or what happens.

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Speaker 1: Keep us up to date, mate, let us know.

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Speaker 2: What goes on.

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Speaker 3: I'll do my best.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, Thanks Luke