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<v Speaker 1>Flex and Frooms, Flex and Frooms.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the Flex and Frooms catch up podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Flexing and it's rooms on Kata. It's time for

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<v Speaker 1>a story time FLEXI. We were having a conversation earlier

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<v Speaker 1>about how I was on the Internet from a very

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<v Speaker 1>very early age. I would say, pre pre social media Internet.

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<v Speaker 1>I was very much plugged in. I was on your

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<v Speaker 1>funny junks. I was definitely participating in MSN culture, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>showing my age. However, I also did get involved in

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<v Speaker 1>some email chains on behalf of my cousin getting sent

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<v Speaker 1>the World's Worst Willy in two thousand and three and

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<v Speaker 1>me saving it thinking it was a frog. No, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>she saved it into my folder of frog images.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean for me to open it and look at it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's my first one seeing a penis.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you know?

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<v Speaker 3>Could you identify?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>It was an interesting introduction to that world. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and six, this is when viral videos

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<v Speaker 1>were like properly viral. There are a whole new category

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<v Speaker 1>of media and one of the really popular ones was

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<v Speaker 1>man going viral for a BBC interview with this guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Can we pause for a second, how old were you

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<v Speaker 3>in two thousand and six, ten, eleven, eleven. I know

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<v Speaker 3>this is incredible stuff. I was telling for hims earlier.

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<v Speaker 3>When I was eleven, I was just reading books. And

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<v Speaker 3>I don't really think I got into the Internet properly

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<v Speaker 3>until sixteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Really.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I had it, but I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>I was. And it was social media that I had.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think I was like engaging in any other

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<v Speaker 3>Internet things. I wasn't googling or like foruming or anything

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<v Speaker 3>you were in it.

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<v Speaker 2>I was. I was early adopted.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I read a book until I was

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<v Speaker 1>in high school and had to read for like I had.

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<v Speaker 3>To say, slow you down the way you are now.

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<v Speaker 2>It's true, I actually do like reading now.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, I had to come to it like a horse

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<v Speaker 1>to water.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you see that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? What the religious popped off? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I saw that anyway, And I'm not going to address it.

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<v Speaker 3>You people are sick.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So two thousand and six, there is a guy called

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<v Speaker 1>Guy Gomer and he was accidentally interviewed the BBC. He

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<v Speaker 1>came in for an interview for an IT position. They've

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<v Speaker 1>mistaken him for somebody else and put him on a

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<v Speaker 1>classic moment. He was saying for another guy called guy anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's kind of I get it anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, is that a racism thing? But it's

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<v Speaker 3>just the same name thing.

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<v Speaker 2>What are the odds?

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<v Speaker 1>Precisely anyway, he was on a podcast series called Accidental

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<v Speaker 1>Celebrities where he spoke about the experience. I'm gonna play

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of the clip. It's kind of something

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<v Speaker 1>that you need footage for. So if you're on tet Visual, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>type in BBC Accidental Interview and then I'll just play.

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<v Speaker 4>Some days to see to come on me, because I

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't expecting that. When I came as they told me

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<v Speaker 4>something else and you got He's a big surprise anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>A big.

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<v Speaker 1>Surprise, yes, yeah, with regards to the cost that's involved.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think now more people will be downloading online?

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<v Speaker 4>Actually, if you can go everywhere, even I see lots

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<v Speaker 4>of people downloading.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, he's actually eating.

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<v Speaker 3>So what we're seeing is this guy sitting in like

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<v Speaker 3>a classic news production set up being interviewed. So he's

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<v Speaker 3>gone to the BBC for an actual job interview, a position,

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<v Speaker 3>and they've mistaken him for the expert they were meant

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<v Speaker 3>to interview on tech related issues exactly what are the odds?

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<v Speaker 1>And honestly he takes it very well, like you can

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<v Speaker 1>see the confusion on his face. So what the BBC

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<v Speaker 1>has done in the seventeen years since has used this

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<v Speaker 1>footage as part of like Bloopers Real again and again

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<v Speaker 1>and again. And this man is saying, I want some

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<v Speaker 1>royalties for this. I want to see the BBC and

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't answer him. Yeah, savagery so up mixed on

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<v Speaker 1>our podcast, guys, I want to talk about what does

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<v Speaker 1>the internet or what do rather broadcasters actually owe people

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<v Speaker 1>when they reuse their image im perpetuity. We know that

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<v Speaker 1>there's some like legalities around.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think we should say the Internet broadly.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like the individual distribution of people's images usually

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<v Speaker 3>goes a lot further than a broadcaster. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 3>have images in my meme folder that I've curated for

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<v Speaker 3>years of random people's faces on the Internet. I'm distributing

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<v Speaker 3>as we speak.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so this man's wants to sue the BABA say

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not he will actually go through with them.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether or not he will actually go through with it,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm unsure. However, it made me think more broadly about

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet and these people's images who use in perpetuity

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<v Speaker 1>in this very small part of their life. Like I

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<v Speaker 1>always think of a little boy that Eastbidy's putting your story, Gavin,

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<v Speaker 1>Is that the guy?

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<v Speaker 2>Wait? What is he doing? Gavin?

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<v Speaker 3>And Gavin's like eleven now, and what's he doing living

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<v Speaker 3>life like an eleven year old would? But he's big

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<v Speaker 3>in China.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're talking about someone else. The boy I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking about is a little boy who's got the headphones

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<v Speaker 1>on and he's like screen because the song's really Oh, Jay,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a producer.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, so you know all the names of these people.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm serious.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's Jay. He's a producer. And at the time,

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<v Speaker 3>so he started doing meme content because he's just a

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<v Speaker 3>kid on the internet. But then he got really really

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<v Speaker 3>famous for making memes, and then a couple of years

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<v Speaker 3>ago he was like.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really serious about this music shit, as.

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<v Speaker 3>All people on the internet say they are. But he's

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<v Speaker 3>produced songs for Scissor like.

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<v Speaker 2>Big Okay, WHOA.

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<v Speaker 1>So who's the other kid you were talking about, Gavin?

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<v Speaker 2>I'll show you.

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<v Speaker 1>So my favorite meme person that is in perpetuity is

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<v Speaker 1>the little boy in the in the in the monkey.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, yeah, the little redhead kid. Okay, Gavin,

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<v Speaker 1>I fully am across. Yeah, does he Is he happy

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<v Speaker 1>with that image being out there? I'm not sure, but

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<v Speaker 1>he's going viral in China where that child is so cute.

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<v Speaker 3>Love him.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand the vision.

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<v Speaker 1>So my favorite little boy in a meme is the

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<v Speaker 1>boy in the monkey suit in Apple And he's like

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<v Speaker 1>he's sitting and he's like, he's like, stay, do you

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<v Speaker 1>guys know this?

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<v Speaker 3>It's a boy if you have the reference, yeah, yea, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>bring the reference.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So it's a little boy. And I'm sure there's like.

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<v Speaker 3>At least six thousand people who'd be like, I know

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<v Speaker 3>exactly what rooms is talking about. Okay, there's a boy

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<v Speaker 3>in the Apple store.

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<v Speaker 2>Monkey boy at Apple Store.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never seen this.

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<v Speaker 2>You are too deep for the Internet. I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>know what side this is. Crawl out from little monkey

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<v Speaker 2>and Apple Store. It is just like.

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<v Speaker 1>So essentially, I often think about these people, Like sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>I because I like putting the facial pictures on my Instagram,

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<v Speaker 1>But then I think I'll do the people actually want

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<v Speaker 1>it because it's them. That's why I like AI.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the Internet is such a lawless place. So it's

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<v Speaker 3>like literally in its infancy, it's it's a sperm going

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<v Speaker 3>into an egg as we speak, and it's yet to

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<v Speaker 3>like just state to incubate what it's meant to do,

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<v Speaker 3>the thing it's meant to become. I think we're so

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<v Speaker 3>many years and years and years away from it that

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<v Speaker 3>anything we say it should be now, we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>contradict tomorrow. For example, I remember we were having a

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<v Speaker 3>conversation maybe a year ago now, referencing meme pages filming

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<v Speaker 3>real people, like real local people, and creating jokes about them,

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<v Speaker 3>especially when they're not being presented in a positive light.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's not to say that we should make exceptions

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<v Speaker 3>like if I'm just showing this girl's a really cute outfit,

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<v Speaker 3>I should be allowed to share that, versus if I'm

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<v Speaker 3>showing this girl vomiting on the side of the road.

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<v Speaker 3>But either way, we were discussing how it felt funny,

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<v Speaker 3>it didn't feel right, but none of us had the

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<v Speaker 3>jurisdiction to say anything about it or to do anything

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<v Speaker 3>about it. It's just a byproduct of being on the internet.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's trickier when it comes to corporations because

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<v Speaker 3>it's very clear how they make their money, where they

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<v Speaker 3>make them money, and what agenda they're pushing when they

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<v Speaker 3>use your likeness, especially for free. And this term of perpetuity,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm a nark. I mean in any brand

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<v Speaker 3>or client or corporation, there's I'm really annoying to work

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<v Speaker 3>with because I will not let you have my likeness

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<v Speaker 3>for more than a couple months, of course, but brands

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<v Speaker 3>will stay putting perpetuity in. I'm fighting with the brand

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<v Speaker 3>right now because in their head, they're kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>the height of fame, the height of celebrity is being

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<v Speaker 3>assigned so closely with the corporation because of that brand,

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<v Speaker 3>almost like that brand filtering. That happens. You get a

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<v Speaker 3>bit of their clout, they get a bit bit of

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<v Speaker 3>your cloud. It's great, but usually what happens that you're

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<v Speaker 3>getting a flat fee and they're monetizing on you forever

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<v Speaker 3>and ever whatever. In the case of this guy who

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<v Speaker 3>you know was being put in a weird situation and

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<v Speaker 3>seventeen years later, they're still using his likeness, I think

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<v Speaker 3>the tricky thing is going to find is that how

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<v Speaker 3>can you really assign a value to what's happening here?

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<v Speaker 3>And I think they might argue that we filmed it.

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<v Speaker 3>You have consented to it by virtue of being in

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<v Speaker 3>our studio and sitting in front of the camera. We

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<v Speaker 3>own that footage. Yes, you might be able to sue

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<v Speaker 3>us for using your likeness, but for what in particular?

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<v Speaker 2>What will you usue us for? Exactly? Because we can't

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<v Speaker 2>take it back?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's kind of done. And can we retrospectively find

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<v Speaker 3>every time we've used your image and every time someone

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<v Speaker 3>else has used your image? And are we saying every

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<v Speaker 3>time we the BBC directly reposted it, or the reach

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<v Speaker 3>of how far and wide it's spread because we posted it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really really tricky. The Internet really really confuses me.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what the rules are. Copyright is so

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<v Speaker 3>how clear it is, it's also such a gray area

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<v Speaker 3>as well. Do you remember that instance where Rihanna was

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<v Speaker 3>doing a meet and greet with fans and journalists and

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<v Speaker 3>things like that, and there was this one journalist who

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<v Speaker 3>was wearing a T shirt with her.

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<v Speaker 2>Image on it.

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<v Speaker 3>She said, oh, where'd you get that? And he was

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<v Speaker 3>like top Shop. She was like top Shop? You got

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<v Speaker 3>that from top Shop? He was like yeah. Rihanna goes

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<v Speaker 3>on to sue top Shop for using her likeness without permission. Naturally,

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<v Speaker 3>but a business like top Shop, how do you not

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<v Speaker 3>know that culture kings locally get sued all the time

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<v Speaker 3>for using you know, they got sued by Mike Tyson

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<v Speaker 3>recently for using his likeness on a T shirt without permission.

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<v Speaker 3>I get it because it's weird, because it gets to

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<v Speaker 3>what my celebrities feel like their fair game, Like they're

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<v Speaker 3>so famous that you couldn't even reach them if you

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to, and they couldn't reach you. How do you

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<v Speaker 3>know what I'm doing in a random nowhere making a

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<v Speaker 3>shirt and selling it for a couple of bucks.

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<v Speaker 1>But poor Yoko owner and John Lennon When I bought

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<v Speaker 1>a really cute dress that was tied ie with their

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<v Speaker 1>face saying stop more, and I wore it to high

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<v Speaker 1>school parties and.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, where is the love? Where is it?

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<v Speaker 3>Where it's not to be found? I mean, good luck

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<v Speaker 3>with that king. I hope someone takes that case pro

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<v Speaker 3>bono and you win, but I doubt you will.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh dear, it really does really quickly. It is crazy

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<v Speaker 1>to think that we are in the prehistoric times of

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<v Speaker 1>the internet.

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<v Speaker 3>Happen were before the Neolithic before cavemen were just those

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<v Speaker 3>isopods that they're gonna fight twenty five million years later.

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