1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS. Oh, 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: now it makes sense. 3 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Tuesday, 4 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: the twenty third of July. I'm Zara, I'm Lucy. Early 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 2: yesterday morning, Australian time US President Joe Biden made a 6 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 2: surprise post to his ex account he was dropping out 7 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 2: of the twenty twenty four election. Biden said he believed 8 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 2: it was in the best interest of the Democratic Party 9 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 2: and the United States for him to stand down. So 10 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 2: what happens now, That's what we'll be trying to answer 11 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: in today's deep dive. But first, Lucy, what's making headlines? 12 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi has thanked his US counterpart Joe 13 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: Biden for his service after news Biden was pulling out 14 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: of the US presidential race. In opposed to acts, Albanzi 15 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: acknowledged the president's leadership, saying the Australia US alliance has 16 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: never been stronger. The PM said Biden deserves to be 17 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: recognized for not putting himself forward first in his decision 18 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: to stand down ahead of the November election. 19 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 2: A real estate education provider has been ordered to refund 20 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: nearly fifteen million dollars in course fees and pay a 21 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 2: five million dollar penalty for misleading students. Consumer watchdog The 22 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: A Triple C found the DG Institute taught students false 23 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 2: information about how mortgaging works and gave them misleading advice 24 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 2: about their finances. The A Triple C said well over 25 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 2: one thousand students enrolled in the programs and each paid 26 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,559 Speaker 2: between four and a half and nine and a half 27 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 2: thousand dollars to participate based on false claims about DG's services. 28 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: A US journalist has been sentenced to sixteen years in 29 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: a Russian prison on spying charges. The Wall Street Journal 30 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: says its reporter Evan Gershkevich has been wrongly detained for 31 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: nearly five hundred days, while President Joe Biden said the 32 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: two year old has been targeted by Russia quote because 33 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: he is a journalist and an American. Gershkevich was charged 34 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: with spying on the Russian government last year. He continues 35 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: to deny the charges, and Biden said his government is 36 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: pushing for his release. 37 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 2: And some good news. Botanists have voted to rename over 38 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 2: two hundred plant species that contained variations of a racial slur. 39 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: Around three hundred and fifty plant experts voted in favor 40 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 2: of changing the names of a range of plans, including 41 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: fungi and algae, to remove derogatory terms historically used against 42 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 2: black people. The changes will also recognize Africa as the 43 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 2: home to many of these species, according to findings published 44 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 2: in the journal Nature. 45 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: All of US woke up to the news yesterday morning 46 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: that President Joe Biden, the oldest serving president in US history, 47 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: had officially stepped down from the twenty twenty four election race. 48 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: It's safe to say this was expected, although the timing 49 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: kind of wasn't. But there I've been countless headlines in 50 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: US outlets speculating about this four weeks on end, and 51 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: public calls from prominent Democrats and supporters for him to 52 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: drop out. We weren't exactly sure when this news would drop, 53 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: but we pretty much knew what was going to happen. 54 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And I feel like it's had quite a 55 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: long tail because we first started having these discussions and 56 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 2: certainly on this podcast, back at the end of last month, 57 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 2: when Biden and Donald Trump faced off in their first 58 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 2: presidential debate. Now, this debate, interestingly, was a lot earlier 59 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 2: in the year than it usually is, And it was 60 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 2: reported that this was actually a gamble by Biden's campaign 61 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: to reset the narrative and to remind people of the 62 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 2: importance of voting for him at the upcoming election. But 63 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: I think it is now safe to say that that 64 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: gamble did not pay off. 65 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: It did not. The only conversation around the debate was 66 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: Biden's performance. He looked and he sounded eighty one years. 67 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 2: Old, dealing with everything we have to do with what 68 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 2: if we finally beat. 69 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: Medicare The debate stoked some existing concerns about his fitness 70 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: to stay on for another four years. The demands of 71 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: the presidency. You know, you're working one hundred hour weeks, 72 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: You're handling complex international issues. He you know, wants to 73 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: improve the economy, all these things you have to do 74 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: when you're the leader of the free world. So there 75 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: were a lot of concerns, based on this debate performance, 76 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 1: about his ability to continue doing that for another four years. 77 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 2: So that debate was on the twenty seventh of June, 78 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 2: and until early yesterday morning, it seems like there was 79 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 2: this constant kind of tension between will he do it, 80 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 2: will he not do it? I know that Axios, which 81 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 2: is an extremely reputable news site in the US reported 82 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 2: it was likely to happen last weekend, but then you know, 83 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 2: we at least got to the end of our Australian 84 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 2: weekend and nothing had happened. But it does seem like 85 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 2: all of the consideration behind Joe Biden announcing this resignation 86 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 2: was behind the scenes, because outwardly he was saying he 87 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 2: was in it to win it. 88 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: Yes, so publicly he was telling people he would only 89 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: drop out if God told him to. Then he was 90 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: telling people he would only step down if a doctor 91 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 1: told him there was a medical concern about his continuing 92 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: and then he was diagnosed with COVID and after that 93 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: he goes into seclusion in isolation at his holiday house 94 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: in Delaware, And based on what we know from reputable 95 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: US news sites, Biden called his main advisors to that 96 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: house on Saturday afternoon local time, that's about twenty four 97 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: hours before the big announcement, and from that time they 98 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: were workshopping how he was going to step down. Essentially, 99 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: what we also know is that they saw some pretty 100 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: tough polling that he was behind in several of the 101 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: states that he really really needed to win in order 102 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: to win the election, and so after that consideration, after 103 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: seeing that polling, they announced the decision to step down 104 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: on Sunday morning local time. He'd spent also that day 105 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: calling some of his advisors, his senior Democrat colleagues, Kamala Harris, 106 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: vice President, we'll get to her in a second. And 107 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: at one forty five pm, according to these sources, Biden 108 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: called a big group of advisors and told them he 109 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: was stepping down. And at one forty six pm he 110 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: posted his letter on X so. 111 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 2: Just to pick up on that. So he told his 112 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 2: advisors one minute before he posted to X that he 113 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 2: was not going to be contesting the next election. It's 114 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 2: a pretty remarkable thing to hear, and I know a 115 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,119 Speaker 2: lot of people were really fixated on that fact because 116 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 2: I think it just shows how fast moving this all was. 117 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 2: That this wasn't necessarily, you know, something that was agreed 118 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 2: upon months and months ago, when they were just waiting 119 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 2: for the perfect time. The fact that his advisors were 120 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 2: told just a minute before, I think really shows what 121 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 2: we're dealing with here in a modern political system that 122 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:55,239 Speaker 2: is just experiencing very new things for the first time. 123 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 1: Yes, so the innermost circle finds out over the weekend. 124 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: Then the next of the circle of advisors finds out 125 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: one minute before, and everyone else, including his entire campaign team, 126 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 1: found out at the same time as the rest of 127 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: the world. There are reports that campaign teams were making 128 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: calls to people shoring up donations as recently as thirty 129 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: minutes before the announcement, and there was even a scheduled 130 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: email that ended up going out after he had resigned. 131 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: So it was all very. 132 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 2: Quick and so one of the reasons that you know, 133 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: some Democrats didn't want him to step down was the 134 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 2: uncertainty of the vacuum that would lead this close to 135 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 2: an election. What do we know about what happens from now. 136 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: Well, he endorsed his vice president, Krmla Harris to take 137 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: over from him, But it's not quite as simple as 138 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: him saying I think this is who it should be. 139 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: There's a lot of processes that need to happen. But 140 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: before we get into those processes, I think now's a 141 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: good moment to kind of talk about who Karmala Harris is. 142 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, she's been vice president, but for anyone 143 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: that's not across who this possible presidential nominee could be, 144 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 2: who is Kamala Harris. 145 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: She first came to international attention in twenty nineteen when 146 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: she announced she was running for the Democratic nomination. So 147 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: this is the same election that Joe Biden was running 148 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,559 Speaker 1: in against Donald Trump. She dropped out in late twenty 149 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: nineteen after that campaign kind of came to an end. 150 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: She endorsed Biden, and then he chose her to be 151 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: his vice president in twenty twenty. They went on to 152 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: then win the twenty twenty election. Before that, she was 153 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: a Senator representing the state of California, where she's from. 154 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: Before that, she was that state's attorney general. She's half 155 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: black and half South Asian. If she wins this election, 156 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: she will be not only the first woman president, but 157 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: also the first of South Asian heritage. In terms of 158 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: her policies, she's really the leader of the Biden campaigns 159 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: or now pasted Biden campaigns stance on abortion. She's very 160 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: pro reproductive rights. She also has a reputation among some 161 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: voters as a cop based on her tough on crime 162 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: record as California's attorney general. Some people have said that's 163 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: probably a good thing, given that she's running against a 164 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: convicted criminal. But these are all just kind of different 165 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: perspectives that people have about this woman who has this 166 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: background in the law. 167 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 2: I think one of the useful parts of Biden endorsing 168 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 2: Harris is that there is already polling on her and 169 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 2: her popularity, and you know, this isn't a clean slate 170 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 2: per se. People will disagree on whether that is a 171 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 2: good or a bad thing. What do we know about 172 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 2: how popular she is among voters in the US? 173 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: She in the past has been criticized for not having 174 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: the most high profile as a vice president, and she's 175 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: been fairly unpopular among voters since mid twenty twenty one, 176 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: when two things happened that kind of brought her approval 177 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: polling down and they never totally recovered. First, she was 178 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: recorded telling migrants do not come to the US, and 179 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: then soon after that, Biden pulled troops out of Afghanistan, 180 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: which also brought her ratings down as well as his. 181 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: But recent opinion polls ranked her ahead of Biden in 182 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 1: terms of preferred president, and while she's trailing Trump as 183 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: the preferred president, the gap is narrowing, and it's certainly 184 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: narrower than the one that Biden had from behind Trump. 185 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of room to move. 186 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think something that's really interesting is that Donald 187 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 2: Trump and his campaign would be fairly annoyed that they 188 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 2: had just spent however long creating these campaign videos and 189 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 2: all of these slogans based on Sleepy Doough and everything 190 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 2: was about criticizing Joe Biden, and now suddenly there is 191 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 2: this new possible candidate. So at the time of recording, 192 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 2: she is setting up this new campaign. Joe Biden and 193 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 2: several very senior Democrats have all endorsed her. But that 194 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 2: doesn't actually make Kamala Harris the next official candidate, right, 195 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 2: That's right. 196 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: All of the process that has been worked through up 197 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: to this point leading to Joe Biden being named the 198 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: nominee now kind of has a line drawn under it. 199 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 1: So the normal process of selecting a party's official presidential 200 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: candidate takes place over many months, with a series of 201 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: what's called primary elections, where presidential hopefuls try to win 202 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: delegates who then vote for them at a convention held 203 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: a couple of months before the official election, and then 204 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: in between the convention and the actual election, the Republican 205 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: and Democrat candidates campaign with the full support of their 206 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: individual parties, Joe Biden had already won ninety nine percent 207 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: of the Democratic delegates, as is fairly standard for a 208 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: sitting president. Now, however, since he's stepped down, Kamala Harris 209 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: needs to confirm she has the support of most of 210 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: these delegates if she wants to be the nominee at 211 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: the convention. If the party doesn't agree on a candidate 212 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 1: before the DNC in August, that triggers what's called an 213 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 1: open convention. In that case, delegates go through several rounds 214 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: of voting before they agree on a candidate. And the 215 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: last time this happened was actually in nineteen sixty eight, 216 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: long time ago, long time ago, so long ago that 217 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: Joe Biden wasn't actually in the Senate yet, and that 218 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: was after President Lyndon Johnson withdrew from the race amid 219 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: increasing tensions over the US involvement in the Vietnam War. 220 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: Bringing it back to today, Carmala Harris has secured quite a 221 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: bit of support. So we may not see a true 222 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: open convention, but we're just going to have to wait 223 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 1: and see. 224 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 2: Now, obviously, this is a story about the Democrats. For 225 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 2: so long, all of the stories coming out have been 226 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 2: about Joe Biden, but this is kind of turning a 227 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 2: new leave. One thing that remains the same, though, is 228 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 2: that Donald Trump is the Republican nominee, and that he 229 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 2: has spent a lot of time attacking Joe Biden, who 230 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 2: will no longer be his opponent. What have we heard 231 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 2: from Trump since Biden announced he was stepping down. 232 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: In oppost to his platform truth social He said Biden 233 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: was quote not fit to run for president and certainly 234 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: not fit to serve, and never was. Trump is also 235 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: now the oldest ever official candidate at a US election. 236 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,599 Speaker 1: Interesting so far, he doesn't have a catchy nickname for 237 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: Carmla like he did for Joe, calling him Sleepy Joe 238 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: and Crooked Joe, sovar he's only called her laughing Karmela. 239 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: More broadly, Republicans have said that since Biden has dropped 240 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: out of the presidential race, he should also resign from office, 241 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: because this means, they say that he's admitted he's unfit 242 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: to serve. The White House has said he's not going 243 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 1: to step down from actually being the president. 244 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 2: So just step us through that. So they're saying he 245 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 2: has to serve until the November election, but then until 246 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 2: the inauguration. Next January, and they are suggesting that he 247 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 2: should resign now and not wait till that time, right, yes. 248 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: Which would put Carmela in a remarkable position of having 249 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 1: to become the president and also campaign in the same moment. 250 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: It honestly seems like a good system to have the 251 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: president be one person and the person actively campaigning be 252 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: another person, which is how it typically happens at the 253 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: end of a two term presidency. So the White House 254 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: has said he's staying on. The argument against stepping down 255 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: completely is that it's just a few more months. It's 256 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: not four more years, and often not always, the world 257 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: has changed. The months in between the election in November 258 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: and the inauguration of the president in January have been 259 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: a fairly low key time. We'll see what happens, but 260 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: that has been the case in the past, although I 261 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 1: guess we are living in unprecedented times. 262 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 2: Lucy, thank you so much for joining us on the 263 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 2: Daily Ohs, and thank you for listening to this episode. 264 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 2: If you learned something new about how quirking the American 265 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 2: political system is, feel free to send this episode to 266 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 2: a friend. It means that the Daily OS can grow 267 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 2: every single day and continue to break down the biggest 268 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 2: stories in the world. We'll be back again tomorrow, but 269 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 2: until then, have a great day. 270 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Madden and I'm a proud Arunda 271 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: bunge Lung Kalkotin woman from Gadighl country. The Daily os 272 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: acknowledges that this podcast is recorded on the lands of 273 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: the Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and 274 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: Torres Strait Island and nations. We pay our respects to 275 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: the first peoples of these countries, both past just in present.