Speaker 1: Life Uncut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country whose lands
Speaker 1: were never seated. We pay our respects to their elders
Speaker 1: past and present.
Speaker 2: Always was, always will be Aboriginal Land. This episode was
Speaker 2: recorded on Cameragle Land. Hi, guys, and welcome back to
Speaker 2: another episode of Life Uncut. I'm Laura, I'm Brittany, and
Speaker 2: I'm sore, very sore.
Speaker 1: I'm bravo Laura. She did ask me. She goes, I
Speaker 1: don't want to bring it in myself, but can you
Speaker 1: like talk me up? Laura? Did the city serve yesterday Sunday?
Speaker 1: Which is fourteen kilometers in Sydney, a very famous run
Speaker 1: if you're not from this area.
Speaker 3: Ninety thousand people did it yesterday.
Speaker 1: It's insane how many people do it.
Speaker 3: It's no anxiety. Yeah, it was crazy.
Speaker 2: I tried to jog and then there were so many
Speaker 2: people that I couldn't actually get past them, so then
Speaker 2: I gave up.
Speaker 3: But that was only for about maybe fifty meters.
Speaker 1: No, for the first like kilometer or something, don't you
Speaker 1: just have to walk with the masses until everyone disperses
Speaker 1: and the elite athletes like go out in front.
Speaker 2: And then I was also pushing the donkey pram, which
Speaker 2: it self weighs about the amount of a child.
Speaker 3: Why is it called donkey it's the type of pram.
Speaker 2: A donkey pram is like the one that you can
Speaker 2: put two children in and then you can like take
Speaker 2: one seed off and make it smaller.
Speaker 4: You're basically pushing a sled for fourteen kilometers. Yeah, well no,
Speaker 4: because the sled doesn't have wheels. So like you, you
Speaker 4: had Lola, I had Lola. Who what does she weigh?
Speaker 3: I'm not sure on a good day, so fat shame
Speaker 3: my child.
Speaker 1: No, I'm just wanting to know what you had to
Speaker 1: run with.
Speaker 2: I don't know, like fifteen kilos maybe. Yeah, that's also
Speaker 2: like a six kilo pram.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's insane for someone like you. It's gone from
Speaker 1: zero to one hundred.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 2: It has wheels like it moves with you, so when
Speaker 2: you push it, you're not pushing twenty kilos.
Speaker 1: I'm confused as why we're trying to set you up
Speaker 1: and you're trying to bring it back down, like we're
Speaker 1: trying to make you sound really good, and you're like, nah,
Speaker 1: I was easy.
Speaker 2: I am Look, I will take you, saying bulk, I
Speaker 2: will take the appreciation the accolades.
Speaker 3: I also took the Participation award at the end. Yeah
Speaker 3: it was great. It was a great day.
Speaker 2: But I woke up this morning and everything hurts, Like
Speaker 2: my hip flexes hurt, my knee hurts, my ass hurts,
Speaker 2: the back of my legs hurt.
Speaker 3: I was like, have I done enough now?
Speaker 1: You mean for twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's the most I've done in about
Speaker 2: five years, So I feel like I've really just you know,
Speaker 2: I like to binge exercise. Some people binge drink. I
Speaker 2: binge exercise, and then I'll be done now for the
Speaker 2: next six months.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny is there are people that do
Speaker 1: this amount of exercise every single day, but you're like,
Speaker 1: that's my binge. Like people run fourteen klongs a day
Speaker 1: every day, but you're like, I'm done. I binged it,
Speaker 1: I went hard. That's me done.
Speaker 2: For me.
Speaker 3: Doing it with children was just it adds a whole
Speaker 3: other level.
Speaker 2: It's like an obstacle course when you actually have kids
Speaker 2: with you, because they need to stop, they need to pee,
Speaker 2: they want water, they want snacks. There's portaloos along the walk,
Speaker 2: and then there's like water stations along the walk. But
Speaker 2: when you have a kid and the lines I'm talking
Speaker 2: like the portoloo line was, yeah, one hundred people waiting
Speaker 2: for a portoloo, right, it's.
Speaker 3: A long, long line.
Speaker 1: Think of the COVID.
Speaker 3: Lola is three years old.
Speaker 2: She doesn't have the bladder retention of someone who can
Speaker 2: wait in one hundred person deep line. So we're walking
Speaker 2: along and I was like, Mummy, I need you do
Speaker 2: a we we. I was like, okay, we'll find somewhere,
Speaker 2: and she's.
Speaker 1: Like, but it's coming out.
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, we have no spare pants.
Speaker 2: So I picked her up and I ran her straight
Speaker 2: to the side of the road and pulled her pants
Speaker 2: down like next to a bush. And then I looked
Speaker 2: up and there's like five police officers and a police
Speaker 2: cart just right there, and she's peeing in a bush.
Speaker 1: She got arrested for public.
Speaker 2: She was peeing over a bush in front of the
Speaker 2: police officers and they all just looked at her like well,
Speaker 2: then it's.
Speaker 3: Like, what am I going to do? Arrest of the
Speaker 3: three year old or arrest me? Like who's getting a
Speaker 3: ticket for that?
Speaker 1: Can you imagine Ifla was like, man, you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to cut with us.
Speaker 2: But she was like butt facing them as well, Like
Speaker 2: it was a full bird's eye for these poor police officers.
Speaker 3: They just turned around and pretend like they didn't see.
Speaker 1: I think three year olds get a little bit of leeway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you were allowed if you went and pulled your
Speaker 1: pants down. This is age discrimination.
Speaker 2: Anyway, it was a really eventful day, guys, but we
Speaker 2: made it to the end. I got myself sizzle and
Speaker 2: that's all about it.
Speaker 1: I did see that. Congratulations, Very happy for you. I
Speaker 1: definitely did not do the city to surf. I look
Speaker 1: at it now and get a little bit of anxiety
Speaker 1: with how many people are in there. Maybe next year
Speaker 1: I'll think about it. But the funniest thing happened to me.
Speaker 1: So I had run into these two guys like multiple
Speaker 1: times in this one day, and they're just friends. But
Speaker 1: I know them because I see them so much around,
Speaker 1: But I don't know them, okay, Like I just you're like,
Speaker 1: oh hey. So i'd seen them at the gym, and
Speaker 1: then I had seen them later on in the sauna,
Speaker 1: and then I had seen them at a coffee shop,
Speaker 1: and then that was in the morning. Then later that
Speaker 1: afternoon I saw them at a different coffee shop, and
Speaker 1: I said as a joke as they walked past, I
Speaker 1: was like, one of us needs to get a job,
Speaker 1: don't we And they're like yeah, laughs, you know, like
Speaker 1: classic dad joke was done with it. And they're very
Speaker 1: like one is a bit smaller and skinny with like
Speaker 1: not much hair, and one is like quite a big
Speaker 1: muscling man. So they're really quite stand up. And then
Speaker 1: later on I was driving up the street and I
Speaker 1: saw them again, like on the side of the road,
Speaker 1: walking from behind. So I thought it'd be funny, and
Speaker 1: I put my window down and yelled out get a job.
Speaker 1: And I looked at them and it wasn't them. I
Speaker 1: just looked and abuse too strange as I was like,
Speaker 1: get that job, yeah, stink is wasn't them, that's not
Speaker 1: and I was it was so funny, but like in
Speaker 1: a non funny way. If something can be not funny funny,
Speaker 1: this is it. There wasn't enough time to stop and explain,
Speaker 1: so I was like, just drove off and that was it.
Speaker 1: That was what I did. I abuse someone and don't
Speaker 1: what if they just got made redundant.
Speaker 2: There's so many variables here about how that could be
Speaker 2: so inappropriate, but also imagine being the person who Brittany
Speaker 2: Hardly just wound down the window and screen like that
Speaker 2: dash a moment.
Speaker 4: So much they recognize you, I hope so much that
Speaker 4: their group chats right now are pretty abused.
Speaker 1: Do you know when you have those moments in life
Speaker 1: where like, you think back to the moment and you
Speaker 1: still die inside Every time I think about it, I
Speaker 1: am horrified at myself because there's no way for me
Speaker 1: to explain to these people. I will never find them again,
Speaker 1: and they will die thinking that I think they're lazy fucker?
Speaker 1: Is ah? That was my weekend, Oh dear, So Ben
Speaker 1: and I were just having this discussion. So I do
Speaker 1: have a question for you, both of you, Keisha and Laura.
Speaker 1: Super random has nothing to do with anything great, but
Speaker 1: I was driving to it this morning and Ben, this
Speaker 1: is when Better and I have our most profound conversations.
Speaker 1: You know how there's that conversation people always say, like, oh,
Speaker 1: if you could find out when you were going to die,
Speaker 1: would you if you could find out if there was
Speaker 1: something that said when you turn eighteen in life, you
Speaker 1: could find out exactly when you're going to meet the
Speaker 1: love of your life. Like you were going to meet
Speaker 1: your person, but you didn't have after you could tick
Speaker 1: yes or no, would you find out? Would you want
Speaker 1: to know when exactly like the year, the month you'd
Speaker 1: meet your person?
Speaker 2: No, because then you would meet some random dude and
Speaker 2: you'd be like, well, I guess you're my person because
Speaker 2: that thing when I turned eighteen told me, and you
Speaker 2: settled like one day too early, and then you ended
Speaker 2: up marrying fucking Fred.
Speaker 1: You're like, shit, it's fuck it, this is.
Speaker 3: All it is.
Speaker 2: And really you were supposed to marry David, but he
Speaker 2: was coming two days later, I don't know, or like
Speaker 2: an hour later.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't want to know. I also
Speaker 3: want the lessons.
Speaker 2: I think, like, as much as the heartbreak sucks, and
Speaker 2: as much as all of the things I've been through
Speaker 2: my twenties, at the time, I would have been like,
Speaker 2: would love to have skipped this, they were.
Speaker 3: All necessary learnings. As annoying as that sounds, that's.
Speaker 1: So funny because I was like, Oh, I'm going to
Speaker 1: ask the girls this, but I know what Laura's gonna say.
Speaker 1: She's a control freak. She'll be like, fuck yeah, give
Speaker 1: me a minute.
Speaker 2: I'm never you only think I'm a control freak because
Speaker 2: I like to put out a good product when it
Speaker 2: comes to the podcast, But in every other aspect of life,
Speaker 2: I am not a control forreak.
Speaker 1: No, I just I genuinely just thought if you you
Speaker 1: when your person was coming, that you'd pick it. And
Speaker 1: it's personality dependent.
Speaker 4: Like I've often said that, I don't think everyone has
Speaker 4: to have dated shit people to appreciate good, but I
Speaker 4: think Laura and I is I'm like, fuck me up.
Speaker 3: It's the only way I learned.
Speaker 4: I think that was the only way that I realized
Speaker 4: what a healthy relation that was.
Speaker 1: Fuck me in, fuck me up, I.
Speaker 2: Literally do some damage. I'm ready, I need therapy. That
Speaker 2: was my twenties. That was my whole twenties. I was like,
Speaker 2: how much can you hurt me before I learn the lessons?
Speaker 1: Here we are? I wasn't that deep.
Speaker 4: I mean a part of me wishes I didn't have
Speaker 4: to go through some of those experiences, but maybe I
Speaker 4: don't know. I am the type of person who kind
Speaker 4: of says like I think I had to so that
Speaker 4: I appreciated good because I really liked the people who
Speaker 4: let Laura says, fuck you up, like they give you
Speaker 4: the highs and the lows, and that taught me to
Speaker 4: appreciate a good relation totally.
Speaker 3: And obviously we can take this in a very serious way,
Speaker 3: like there's.
Speaker 1: It's hypothetical, guys, you can't tick a box.
Speaker 2: No, I know, but there's gonna be someone who's listening
Speaker 2: to that and is like we speak about so much
Speaker 2: around like the different kinds of relationships we talk about
Speaker 2: domestic violence. I'm not talking about that type of toxic relationship.
Speaker 2: I want to put the caveat there because I know
Speaker 2: that there would be someone who would hear that and
Speaker 2: be like, well, that doesn't make sense, Laura. I went
Speaker 2: through some very toxic relationships that I very much opted
Speaker 2: into that. I saw the red flags and I ran
Speaker 2: gleefully into those red flags and wrapped myself in them.
Speaker 1: Like, Laura, I do not want you to stop coming,
Speaker 1: and you're like, I'm taking.
Speaker 3: My clothes off.
Speaker 1: It's coming up.
Speaker 3: Literally.
Speaker 2: He was like, I will probably cheat on you. Hear
Speaker 2: all of the women that I've cheated on in the past.
Speaker 2: He's my ex wife who I cheated on ten times.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I'll be the exit change. I'll
Speaker 2: change him. Fuck me up, pretty fuck me up, Scotty Gotti,
Speaker 2: fucking whatever? Would you do?
Speaker 1: I know I would not. I said I would not.
Speaker 1: There's no way I would want to know because well,
Speaker 1: I mean for everything that you just said, But like,
Speaker 1: I think it changes your whole path. I don't think
Speaker 1: you would. You wouldn't be dating seriously. You wouldn't be
Speaker 1: wanting because you have to date seriously to learn what
Speaker 1: you want what you don't want. Ben was like, I said,
Speaker 1: would you want to know? He's like, fuck, yeah, And
Speaker 1: I was like, you'd want to know to the month
Speaker 1: And he's like yeah, And I was like why And
Speaker 1: he's like, because then you could just fuck for ten years.
Speaker 1: He's like, you could just not. Well, he's like, if
Speaker 1: you know that they're not going to be your person,
Speaker 1: I think it would take a certain element of pressure away.
Speaker 4: Though. You know, if you knew that it was going
Speaker 4: to happen at a certain time, you'd be like, oh,
Speaker 4: that's okay, I don't need to worry about like what
Speaker 4: I'm experiencing. Like if you're an anxious person, it would
Speaker 4: take away of an element of anxiety.
Speaker 2: It might do that, but it also would create Because
Speaker 2: the people that we are are based on the experiences
Speaker 2: we have, right, they're based on the decisions that we've
Speaker 2: made throughout our life that have gotten us to point
Speaker 2: X or point y or wherever you are in your life.
Speaker 2: If you could bypass that and you could treat people
Speaker 2: in a disposable way, knowing that something else was coming
Speaker 2: along in the future with absolute certainty and clarity, that
Speaker 2: would create a really fucking horrible person. I mean, that
Speaker 2: would create a person who hasn't had the responsibility of
Speaker 2: treating people kind.
Speaker 3: So I just think, as much as it's.
Speaker 2: Great hypothetical, I would say we would have a world
Speaker 2: of really, really horrible people who actually weren't very good
Speaker 2: in relationships because they had not had the practice.
Speaker 1: Okay, so the second part of that question, if you
Speaker 1: could find out now, you could go forward ten years
Speaker 1: and see if you're still with your partner. So if
Speaker 1: you're still with Matt, you're still with Toddloan, I'm still
Speaker 1: with ban Would you want to find out or not?
Speaker 1: You don't get to see why you're not or why
Speaker 1: you know if you're not, it just says you're not.
Speaker 1: You don't know what happens in the interim.
Speaker 4: I would, because I'm in reproductive years I would because
Speaker 4: I'm in a time of my life that if I
Speaker 4: was to look into a crystal ball and see ten
Speaker 4: years down the future, like my current understanding is that
Speaker 4: I do want children. If I could look ten years
Speaker 4: in the future and it not be with him, I'd
Speaker 4: rather know now because then I can make choices that
Speaker 4: are based off of you know, a very real biological clock.
Speaker 1: You could still have kids and then have a great
Speaker 1: life for a decade and then split up.
Speaker 4: True, I guess it doesn't tell you when that ten
Speaker 4: years you break up, which does make it a little
Speaker 4: bit more complex.
Speaker 1: But if I was to find out that it was,
Speaker 1: you know, not going to be with.
Speaker 4: Him, I would probably look for someone that I could
Speaker 4: create that family unit with.
Speaker 1: So it makes sense deep and you wouldn't want to know.
Speaker 2: Loran, No, I don't want to know, fuck me up,
Speaker 2: Scotty fucking up Manny, No, I don't want to know.
Speaker 3: I like the not knowing of what's happening in life.
Speaker 3: I think it's important.
Speaker 2: I think it's like what makes things exciting, It's what
Speaker 2: makes things exhilarating. And also the knowing that I guess
Speaker 2: it's truefold when you're in a bad place, in life
Speaker 2: that things can get instantly better then when things change,
Speaker 2: and I know that that also then has the flip.
Speaker 3: But I prefer not knowing about everything. You like the surprise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I don't even know what my fiance looks
Speaker 1: like anymore or feels like, so that's always the fresh
Speaker 1: Every six months, I'm like, oh that's.
Speaker 3: What you look like. Oh you're tall, Brittany.
Speaker 2: The other day we were talking and Brittany said, I'm
Speaker 2: so desperate now.
Speaker 3: I just messaged Ben and told him to show me
Speaker 3: his penis.
Speaker 2: It's all I needed was just to see it on
Speaker 2: FaceTime flaccid.
Speaker 3: She's like, I didn't even and he was like, is
Speaker 3: this what you want? She was like, yeah, show me.
Speaker 1: Because the time. Okay, Ben just moved to Romania. We
Speaker 1: haven't spoken about it yet, and he's really upset. He goes,
Speaker 1: you haven't told everyone I've moved to Romania yet. So
Speaker 1: Ben's I'm.
Speaker 2: Really sorry, Ben, because I know that he listens to
Speaker 2: almost every episode. I'm really sorry that we've talked about
Speaker 2: your filacipenus before talking about Romania. You know, it's a
Speaker 2: massive transition, so people don't know obviously he's in Scotland
Speaker 2: for so long?
Speaker 3: What has happened? Why is he in Romania? Well, I'll just.
Speaker 1: Scoop past it. Not scoop past it, sorry, Ben. He
Speaker 1: moved to Romania, which is where Dracula is from. As
Speaker 1: a fun fact, dracular character not real, but the fiction
Speaker 1: where he's from is real, which is Transylvania in Romania.
Speaker 1: So he moved Romani. He's there for a couple of years,
Speaker 1: so he's been there one or two weeks. He played
Speaker 1: his first match last two nights ago, which I got
Speaker 1: up very early for. I'm very proud of him. It's
Speaker 1: a great move for him. So I'm going to Romania
Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks when we have our little break.
Speaker 1: We're having like a little one week break. But what
Speaker 1: I was saying is the time difference is different again,
Speaker 1: so we're trying to work out the time to princes
Speaker 1: now and we just haven't been able to match up. Ben.
Speaker 1: Moving countries has been wild, Like it's been such a
Speaker 1: big job because I only get three days notice to
Speaker 1: pack their entire life up, so we'd barely been speaking.
Speaker 1: So I'm prefacing that because I really want you to
Speaker 1: understand where I was in that moment and then we're
Speaker 1: in bed on FaceTime. He was laying down on the
Speaker 1: lounge like he just had a big day and I
Speaker 1: was like, babe, He's like, yeah, this is not a
Speaker 1: sexy chat. He was just watching TV. I was like,
Speaker 1: show me.
Speaker 3: He was like what.
Speaker 1: I was like, just show me, just give me a
Speaker 1: little look. He's like what. I was like, you need
Speaker 1: it here. I was like, he's like, babe, it's we're
Speaker 1: not It's not even like that. It's like and I
Speaker 1: was like, just show me. I was like, I just
Speaker 1: need a little it's.
Speaker 3: Kind of peel the sweaty thing off the fall sack
Speaker 3: and be like here it is.
Speaker 1: I was like, I said, I don't want to sexy.
Speaker 1: He's like, just need I just need to see something
Speaker 1: like what. We just like flapped it out for a
Speaker 1: second and I was like that was it. That's all
Speaker 1: I needed topped up And it was mean topped up.
Speaker 3: I feel like desperate times, cold, desperate measure. It's bad
Speaker 3: over here, babe.
Speaker 1: I'm at a real low point. Did you skip over
Speaker 1: Why Ben moved? Why did he move to?
Speaker 3: Sorry?
Speaker 1: Ben? So? I was going to the import point. Ben
Speaker 1: moved He was bought by a football team. So he
Speaker 1: plays for a football team there now, which is awesome.
Speaker 1: So he signed a contract for a couple of years.
Speaker 1: I didn't see Romania in my Bingo card, but but
Speaker 1: that's where we live now, so he wean. I am Dracula.
Speaker 3: I live in Romania.
Speaker 2: So Ben used to play for Celtics, for anyone who's
Speaker 2: not familiar, and he's been brought out of his Celtics contract.
Speaker 3: Yeah, with a Romanian football team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, called rap Niche rapid Fast. They're really fast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he plays for Rapid Romania, plays really fast team.
Speaker 1: Now they play at ten pm at night because it's
Speaker 1: forty degrees there. It's literally too hot for them to play.
Speaker 1: So he's gone through. He has spent fifteen years in
Speaker 1: the UK where it just rains and he's freezing and
Speaker 1: he's not coping. He's like melting. He's like, it's so odd.
Speaker 2: That's so interesting because I would have thought that Dracula
Speaker 2: lived in a cold place, not a hot place.
Speaker 3: Well, I was.
Speaker 2: Gonna you know, I know he's not real, but if
Speaker 2: I was going to unpack Dracula, the climate around him.
Speaker 1: Dracula, I think he drives in a colder environment, but
Speaker 1: it does get really cold in the winter there where
Speaker 1: he's what does he do in summer? I think he
Speaker 1: doesn't go out at night. Dracula is a night animal.
Speaker 1: Isn't that the whole point? I'm not.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like a mosquito, isn't he's mosquito.
Speaker 1: I don't know enough about Dracula.
Speaker 3: He's about my bat. I don't know how you guys
Speaker 3: don't know about Dracula. Where the fuck did you grow up?
Speaker 1: How many people Dragon have checked out so far? It's
Speaker 1: been unhinged.
Speaker 4: Are you excited to go to Romania? I first, like,
Speaker 4: have you ever been to Romania before?
Speaker 1: No? Are you excited to go? Correct? What are you
Speaker 1: gonna do when you get there? We're going to We've
Speaker 1: got a really short time, but he gets his days
Speaker 1: free because they play so late at night, Like they
Speaker 1: don't even train until they start their day at four
Speaker 1: pm because it is physically too hot. So we've only
Speaker 1: got maybe eight days. Romania is crazily beautiful from what
Speaker 1: I have seen, so I didn't know anything about it
Speaker 1: was never on the top of my tourist list, but
Speaker 1: I did some googling. When he's like, Hey, I think
Speaker 1: I'm going to move to Romania in two days. I
Speaker 1: was like, Google, Google, Google, it looks incredible. So I
Speaker 1: think I'm just going to be real tourists. Ben hasn't
Speaker 1: seen much since he's been there because it's too crazy,
Speaker 1: like he's just trying to focus on being a good footballer.
Speaker 3: When it's going to be the first time that you go,
Speaker 3: I think in a month.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, in about four or five weeks. I think.
Speaker 1: Haven't booked flight jet. I'll book in a couple of days.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's me, guys.
Speaker 2: Well, something I wanted to talk to you about that's
Speaker 2: happened recently in my life, you guys know. And the
Speaker 2: reason why I wanted to bring this up is because
Speaker 2: it came off the back of the recommendation that so
Speaker 2: many of you has sent us. So last week I
Speaker 2: was talking about Neil, about my stepdad who passed away.
Speaker 3: But one of the big, big parts of that, and
Speaker 3: something that.
Speaker 2: I had found really hard, was talking to the kids
Speaker 2: about death right because we've done it now a couple
Speaker 2: of times, but they haven't fully understood it. And then
Speaker 2: even though we have had to have that conversation, because
Speaker 2: you know, I've lost my grandfather and my nana, having
Speaker 2: it around Neil, which is their grandfather, felt way more serious,
Speaker 2: like it felt like something that was going to be
Speaker 2: like a It was a big conversation for me to
Speaker 2: work myself up to, so I was talking about it
Speaker 2: on last Tuesday's episode. So many people recommended this book
Speaker 2: called The Invisible String, produced Akisha went and bought the
Speaker 2: book and I read it and I actually prepped myself
Speaker 2: up for reading it to the girls.
Speaker 3: Is it so beautiful?
Speaker 1: So? Is it a book on guidance for like an
Speaker 1: adult to tell a child or something that a child
Speaker 1: reads to help them understand.
Speaker 2: No, And I wasn't sure what to expect either, because
Speaker 2: it came to I'm talking like hundreds of people recommended
Speaker 2: this book The Invisible String, and I thought it must
Speaker 2: have just been about death, right, That's what I thought
Speaker 2: it would have been, if that's where the recommendation was
Speaker 2: coming from. But basically, what it describes is that we're
Speaker 2: all connected. The people that you love are always connected
Speaker 2: by an invisible string of love. So when Mum goes
Speaker 2: to work, even though you can't see me, we're still
Speaker 2: connected by the invisible string. So it's actually not about
Speaker 2: death at all. It's only one page that even mentions death,
Speaker 2: but it says, you know, oh, and so you know
Speaker 2: what about Uncle Harry or whoever the uncle is in
Speaker 2: the book and he talks about him being in heaven
Speaker 2: and how we're still connected by the invisible string of
Speaker 2: love even though you can't see them anymore. It was
Speaker 2: really beautiful. So you read it to them, You read
Speaker 2: it to them. It's a story book, it's kid's book.
Speaker 1: And so do you read it to them and then, sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm so curious. Do you read it to them for
Speaker 1: like a little while so it becomes a book, and
Speaker 1: then you tell them about someone that's passed so that
Speaker 1: they can make the connection.
Speaker 2: So I picked the girls up from school that afternoon
Speaker 2: after we'd finished the podcast, and that was the day
Speaker 2: that I was going to talk to them.
Speaker 3: So it was last Monday. I picked the girls up.
Speaker 2: And I sometimes find that, like having serious conversations with
Speaker 2: them in the car works really well, because they're a
Speaker 2: captured audience. They're in their seats, well, audience, you can.
Speaker 3: Tell you're a performer. No, they can't leave.
Speaker 1: I walk the audience in there.
Speaker 2: No, because little kids are so easily distracted. And like
Speaker 2: sometimes when I try and have serious conversations with them.
Speaker 2: Lola will just walk away go pick up a block,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, this is not going well. So she's
Speaker 2: in her seat. Molly was in her seat, but I
Speaker 2: wasn't driving. I was just like in the car and
Speaker 2: that way. I could you give them a hug if
Speaker 2: they needed it? And I told them. I was like, guys,
Speaker 2: you know how we've been talking a lot about Far
Speaker 2: and how Far is really sick. And Marley said, dif
Speaker 2: I die.
Speaker 3: So she got it.
Speaker 2: She got upset straight away, and then we had a
Speaker 2: cuddle and we talked about it a little bit more
Speaker 2: and then she kind of was like, that's very sad,
Speaker 2: and then she just moved on to the next thing.
Speaker 2: So for her, it's been like lots of little conversations.
Speaker 2: But Lola, who's three, doesn't quite understand. So we had
Speaker 2: the conversation and she goes, yeah, Far's in the hospital
Speaker 2: and I was like, no, he's not in the hospital anymore.
Speaker 3: And she goes, oh, is he in India? And I
Speaker 3: was like.
Speaker 2: What, maybe you just went because I just went to
Speaker 2: India and I was like, no, sweet, it could be though, Laura.
Speaker 3: I was like, he's not in India. And then she goes, right,
Speaker 3: so he's in Melbourne.
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, off every city that she knows.
Speaker 2: She's rattled off everywhere that I've been to for a
Speaker 2: work trip and I was like no, and she goes, gotcha,
Speaker 2: So he's in Heaven.
Speaker 3: Then that's in Melbourne.
Speaker 2: And I was like, sweetheart, So right now, far is
Speaker 2: in Melbourne according to Lola, and according to Marla, he's
Speaker 2: in Heaven. So she's the process thinks in their own
Speaker 2: unique little ways.
Speaker 1: But it sounds like Lola almost has it right, like
Speaker 1: Heaven but over Melbourne.
Speaker 2: I think the problem is is that Lola thinks that
Speaker 2: people come back from it, because like I came back
Speaker 2: from Melbourne. I came back from India, Whereas like she
Speaker 2: just thinks that he's just gone somewhere and he'll come
Speaker 2: back and then and she'll see him again.
Speaker 1: Like heaven's a place like Melbourne. Yeah, like him.
Speaker 2: She can't comprehend the fact that it's like something that's intangible,
Speaker 2: Like what do you do because.
Speaker 1: She's only three, it's so young, But do you explain
Speaker 1: he's not coming back from Melbourne.
Speaker 2: I haven't gone to that extent. I think she'll start
Speaker 2: to figure it out and then she'll ask more questions.
Speaker 2: I think, I don't think. And this is from my experience. Now,
Speaker 2: it's not a one off conversation. It's a conversation that's
Speaker 2: made up of many small conversations to kind of get
Speaker 2: them to a place of understanding. So we've now talked
Speaker 2: about it lots. Lauras still doesn't understand, but Marley absolutely does.
Speaker 1: You'll probably find that out of nowhere in a couple
Speaker 1: of months or something. She'll pop up with something, you know,
Speaker 1: like something will come to her mind, and it's.
Speaker 3: Like these micro conversations that you have.
Speaker 2: But it's so hard to have it because I didn't
Speaker 2: want to and I did, of course I got upset,
Speaker 2: but I didn't want to get super upset, because then
Speaker 2: I was like, well, are they going to be more
Speaker 2: traumatized by me crying rather than their lack of comprehension
Speaker 2: around something that's quite a big thing to grass. But
Speaker 2: we had the funeral on Friday this week, and we're
Speaker 2: going to bring them to the funeral with us, which
Speaker 2: I am still unsure whether that's the right decision or not,
Speaker 2: being that they're so little. But I just remember when
Speaker 2: my great grandma passed away when I was young and
Speaker 2: being told I couldn't come, and how that I felt
Speaker 2: really like, I like I wanted to be there, If
Speaker 2: that makes sense.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think right now. Where I heard this.
Speaker 1: I heard this exact thing on the weekend. Actually, I
Speaker 1: think it was a It was a podcast. It was
Speaker 1: a true crime podcast. The man in it said, when
Speaker 1: he was a child, one of his school friends unfortunately
Speaker 1: passed away, and his parents didn't let him go to
Speaker 1: the funeral because they thought it will traumatize you. And
Speaker 1: he is said as an adult, he remembers being not
Speaker 1: allowed to go allowed to go, and that that was
Speaker 1: more traumatizing. I thought that that's a weird thing that
Speaker 1: I've just heard that on the weekend.
Speaker 2: Well, that's how I felt about my great grandmother's funeral.
Speaker 2: And we were very very close, and I must have
Speaker 2: only been the same age as Maley. But I still
Speaker 2: remember not being allowed to go because collectively I remember
Speaker 2: all the adults being sad and mourning, and I remember
Speaker 2: this big thing happened, and I knew that I wasn't
Speaker 2: going to see her again, But then I felt like
Speaker 2: I was excluded from.
Speaker 3: Their feelings about it. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just remember that and I was like, Okay, that
Speaker 2: had an impact on me, So I'll bring the kids
Speaker 2: and then maybe that will fuck them up in another way.
Speaker 3: I don't know, Like we're all doing our best here
Speaker 3: as parents, so we'll see.
Speaker 4: Also, what you just said about how you weren't sure
Speaker 4: how you wanted them to see you grieving, maybe that's
Speaker 4: a factor that your mum she expected that she wasn't
Speaker 4: going to be able to control her emotions in that time,
Speaker 4: and so that maybe that's why.
Speaker 1: She didn't bring you along to the funeral.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: But I don't know, And maybe it's because we are
Speaker 2: this self help generation. I don't know if it's a
Speaker 2: bad thing that kids see their parents get upset, like
Speaker 2: so long as it's not that you're going to your
Speaker 2: children for comfort to make you feel better. But I
Speaker 2: think it's okay that kids understand that parents have complex
Speaker 2: feelings as well.
Speaker 1: I think it depends on the reason. I think it
Speaker 1: depends on why you're upset, because I yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that makes a big difference. But in terms of the
Speaker 1: funeral and if you should take them or not, I
Speaker 1: think that also depends on what kind of a funeral,
Speaker 1: like is it an open casket, is it just more
Speaker 1: of a goodbye? I think the open casket, it's yeah.
Speaker 1: But for example, I think that's where you'd be like,
Speaker 1: that is not a memory they should probably have or
Speaker 1: something they should see. But I think the idea of
Speaker 1: everyone that you know, like as a five year old,
Speaker 1: like all these important people to you, saying goodbye to
Speaker 1: someone that was important to them, and it's a ceremony
Speaker 1: of love and you know, in a way happiness celebrating
Speaker 1: someone's life. Maybe that isn't the worst thing. And I'm
Speaker 1: not a child psychologist, I don't know, but maybe it's
Speaker 1: not a bad thing for them to have some closure
Speaker 1: and understand that this is us saying goodbye. You know,
Speaker 1: he's not coming back. And I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, once again, I know, I've got five
Speaker 3: days to find out.
Speaker 2: The last time I was like child psychologists, there were
Speaker 2: so many of them that slimed to the DMS around
Speaker 2: how to speak to kids. And I'm so appreciated, like
Speaker 2: genuinely everyone who recommended the book or recommended how they've
Speaker 2: had these conversations with their kids. I'm so grateful, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know if there is a perfect way to
Speaker 2: do this stuff. It's been a big parental learning curve
Speaker 2: this last week. We are talking about the thing that
Speaker 2: everybody is talking about at the moment, the thing that
Speaker 2: if you open Instagram and you go to explore page,
Speaker 2: you open a real you cannot escape it.
Speaker 3: Because she's gone from.
Speaker 2: Being an Olympic failure to being a social media phenomenon,
Speaker 2: and that is Rachel Gun Raygun ray Gun. She's a breaker,
Speaker 2: doctor Reagan, and not only Raygun, doctor Reygun. Okay, even
Speaker 2: even she is such a phenomenon that Adele just stopped
Speaker 2: her concert in the middle, in the middle to talk
Speaker 2: about it, to mention her by name. I'm sorry, I
Speaker 2: would do anything to have Adele's stop a concert and
Speaker 2: say my name.
Speaker 3: Even if it was kind of to the kangaroo, I'd
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 2: It was like, so Adele stopped her concert to like
Speaker 2: one on one hand, be like, hey, this happened. This
Speaker 2: poor woman's getting so much trolling, but also go and
Speaker 2: watch it and laugh, so.
Speaker 3: She really haven't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's like the best thing that's ever been at
Speaker 1: the Olympics. Like, I love it. I'm so obsessed with
Speaker 1: it's amazing. And then the backhand of that was like, also,
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen it, go google it long.
Speaker 2: So to set this up in case you are the
Speaker 2: one person in Australia who hasn't seen this yet, don't worry.
Speaker 2: We're not going to victimize you. It's okay, you can
Speaker 2: join the group. We can all giggle about this together.
Speaker 3: Raygun.
Speaker 2: She's an Australian woman. She's a PhD, a graduate, so
Speaker 2: doctor Raygun. But she also recently went to the Olympics.
Speaker 2: She competed in the breaking, which is the very first
Speaker 2: time the Olympics has ever had breaking as an Olympic
Speaker 2: sport this year in Paris.
Speaker 1: And the next Olympics have already canceled it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's unfortunately.
Speaker 2: It was one wonder but the thing is, and I mean,
Speaker 2: there's been so much debate as to whether it was satirical,
Speaker 2: whether she intended to perform like this, whether it was
Speaker 2: a statement around the culture of breaking. But ultimately the
Speaker 2: dance that she performed scored her zero. She came absolutely
Speaker 2: dead last. And the media sort of frenzy around this
Speaker 2: now has been because some people are saying that it's
Speaker 2: an embarrassment that she even made it to the Olympics.
Speaker 2: But at the same time there's been almost this tide
Speaker 2: shift where now people are calling her the Queen of
Speaker 2: Australia for just getting out there and giving it a
Speaker 2: red hot crack. The three of us have all very
Speaker 2: different views on this because I think it begs to
Speaker 2: question now whether she is at the bottom of a pylon,
Speaker 2: whether this is bullying, whether this is trolling, or whether
Speaker 2: this is the response one should expect for doing such
Speaker 2: a terrible performance at the absolute elite, the top of
Speaker 2: the food chain when it comes to sport, and that
Speaker 2: is the Olympics.
Speaker 4: Add a little bit of like context as to who
Speaker 4: she is and what she thought of her own performance.
Speaker 4: Earlier in the day, she was interview and she was
Speaker 4: quoted saying, don't be afraid to be different, go out
Speaker 4: there and represent yourself.
Speaker 1: You never know what's going to take you. All of
Speaker 1: my moves are original.
Speaker 4: I was never going to beat these girls on what
Speaker 4: they do best, the dynamic and the power moves. So
Speaker 4: I wanted to move differently, be artistic and creative, because
Speaker 4: how many chances do you get in a lifetime to
Speaker 4: do that on an international stage.
Speaker 1: See, she went through three rounds and she got zero points.
Speaker 1: Like so she didn't even get one point in the
Speaker 1: three rounds from like five judges EVO. So overall in
Speaker 1: the breaking community, they have said that the performance wasn't
Speaker 1: enough to scratch, which is what matters. They're at the Olympics,
Speaker 1: in your chosen sport. You have the judges that are
Speaker 1: supposed to be experts in their chosen sport. They've decided
Speaker 1: to give you zero. That's not disputable for me. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know breaking, and I watched it, and I
Speaker 1: was like, that is not a great performance. It is
Speaker 1: not a great performance for breaking.
Speaker 2: The thing is, though, is like you don't have to
Speaker 2: be an expert on breaking to watch it and think
Speaker 2: that it was an objectively bad performance, which is a
Speaker 2: horrible thing to say. I know, and I know that
Speaker 2: that's really mean, and we will get in the conversation
Speaker 2: around the pylon and the trolling and everything else. But
Speaker 2: I think the reason why this has happened is because
Speaker 2: people who have no literacy in breaking whatsoever all watched
Speaker 2: that and everyone kind of chuckled because I were like, well,
Speaker 2: I don't think that this was meant to be entertaining
Speaker 2: for the reasons that it was entertaining.
Speaker 1: Well, the end of my statement was I love her.
Speaker 1: I love her for that. The performance I can recognize
Speaker 1: was not up to Olympic quality, but I think she
Speaker 1: was fucking awesome And I take my hat off to
Speaker 1: her as a thirty six year old woman that is
Speaker 1: in a breaking community that isn't probably a huge community anyway,
Speaker 1: and doesn't have a lot of women that went out
Speaker 1: there and owned her own creativity. For whatever reason, she
Speaker 1: knew she wasn't going to compare to the others. She
Speaker 1: said that she was like, I'm thirty six. I don't
Speaker 1: have the strength and the agility and the stamina or
Speaker 1: whatever it was. She's like, I don't have the power
Speaker 1: moves that the younger people have. So she's like, I
Speaker 1: know that, so what can I do? That is a
Speaker 1: point of difference. So she said there were all original
Speaker 1: moves which I think were evident poofs that were creative,
Speaker 1: and she called it her art, and I think I
Speaker 1: take my hat off to her. I was like, you
Speaker 1: took an opportunity and you absolutely ran with it. But
Speaker 1: I don't like personally how many people are trolling her
Speaker 1: and that's because this isn't just This isn't just like
Speaker 1: an Australian thing the entire world, and that is not
Speaker 1: an exaggeration. She is currently the most talked about person
Speaker 1: or thing in the world, and some of it's good
Speaker 1: and supportive, but most of it is really shitty. And
Speaker 1: I always just try and think, put yourself in that
Speaker 1: person's position.
Speaker 4: I have flipped around on my perspective on this performance and.
Speaker 1: Slipped around on your back. That's what we saw. I
Speaker 1: did do the v shits.
Speaker 4: I initially thought over archingly, and I am someone who.
Speaker 1: Deeply loves sport. I love going and watching it.
Speaker 4: I love the kind of the determination that it takes
Speaker 4: for athletes to become what they are. I initially thought
Speaker 4: sport is designed to be entertainment, and this is one
Speaker 4: of the most entertaining things I have and I don't
Speaker 4: think that there's anyone who could say any different. You know,
Speaker 4: the virility of this performance is there for a reason.
Speaker 4: It was very entertaining for whatever emotion that invoked in you.
Speaker 4: But the counter argument to I mean, I guess the
Speaker 4: criticism of her and her performance, and maybe criticism rather
Speaker 4: than trolling. Here are a couple of things. She was
Speaker 4: selected to represent our country. She used taxpayer money to
Speaker 4: fund the trip, and that includes her partner as well,
Speaker 4: so like all of that is paid for by the taxpayer.
Speaker 1: So that sounds but that sounds the way that you
Speaker 1: would That sounds super negative. Every athlete went is taxpayer like.
Speaker 1: You can't just say that she went and used it
Speaker 1: like she was trying to scam the citizens of the
Speaker 1: good citizenship.
Speaker 2: Yah, it is like the real scare mongering of people
Speaker 2: who are like the purity of the Olympics.
Speaker 3: She used taxpayer money to go and do the sprinkler.
Speaker 1: If she won gold, we would have been like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we got her there, we paid yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: And also they would get a payment if they want
Speaker 4: a medal. But there aren't participation awards when you go
Speaker 4: to the Olympics, Like this isn't your year five Athletics
Speaker 4: carnival where you get a participation clap and the rhetoric
Speaker 4: of well, she did our best. I personally don't think
Speaker 4: she did her best is suited to a competition of
Speaker 4: this particular level.
Speaker 1: I disagree.
Speaker 4: I mean, she did get up there and choose to
Speaker 4: do moves like the kangaroo and the Sprinkler iconic and
Speaker 4: she contributed to I mean, we may get into this.
Speaker 1: There is a lot of criticism about whether breaking should
Speaker 1: be included as an Olympic sport.
Speaker 4: To begin with, and in my opinion, you can't say
Speaker 4: that you're going to push back on that criticism of
Speaker 4: the legitimacy of a particular.
Speaker 1: Sport and then get up and do a sprinkler. Hear
Speaker 1: me out. Every single person that goes to the Olympics
Speaker 1: cannot win, they cannot place, they cannot all make it.
Speaker 1: Someone won't get through the qualifying rounds. What you have
Speaker 1: to do is be the best in your country to go.
Speaker 1: Whether you want to argue the point truth and nail
Speaker 1: and say she wasn't good enough to go, she was
Speaker 1: for us and our country.
Speaker 2: We could just say a lot about the female breaking
Speaker 2: community in Australia if she was the number one, which
Speaker 2: fine iconic. As much as I am having a dig
Speaker 2: I'm also saying like, if that is the competition, if
Speaker 2: she is number one in our country, she has every
Speaker 2: right to be there and to compete. It just means
Speaker 2: that it is a sport that we are not good
Speaker 2: enough in in comparison to the rest of the world.
Speaker 2: We are not where we need to be to be
Speaker 2: able to be at an Olympic level.
Speaker 1: Yes, now listen to this. This is my counter argument
Speaker 1: to what Keisha descerned, where she's like, should you be
Speaker 1: getting a participation award when you go there? I did
Speaker 1: some googling. What is the spirit of the Olympics?
Speaker 3: Quote?
Speaker 1: The Olympic spirit is best expressed in the Olympic creed.
Speaker 1: The most important thing in the Olympic Games is not
Speaker 1: to win, but to take part, just as the most
Speaker 1: important thing in life is not to triumph, but the struggle.
Speaker 1: The essential thing is not to have conquered, but to
Speaker 1: have fought. Well, I'm sorry, Raygun fought till the end. Yes,
Speaker 1: I okay, she fought and she tried her best, and
Speaker 1: I take my hat off to I think if she
Speaker 1: got the chance to go to the Olympics, if she
Speaker 1: was the best, she knew she wasn't gonna win. She
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I want, I'm patriotic, I want to
Speaker 1: put the green and gold on.
Speaker 3: I want to represent I. Look, I don't disagree with you.
Speaker 2: I think that maybe that's an oversimplification of what the
Speaker 2: Olympics stands for.
Speaker 3: For the athletes themselves.
Speaker 2: I would say that the people who have gone there,
Speaker 2: this is like their lives, like this is their absolute passion,
Speaker 2: this is what has and you.
Speaker 1: Know again regn's life.
Speaker 3: This can be said for Reagun.
Speaker 2: I mean, her PhD is in breaking, like she has
Speaker 2: obviously dedicated a very big part of her life to breaking.
Speaker 2: But I think the reason why some people are getting
Speaker 2: so angry not even angry, it's so stupid. Why are
Speaker 2: we all having so angry about break dancing when like
Speaker 2: three weeks ago, no one gave a fuck about breaking,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, majority of Australians didn't. The
Speaker 2: people who did obviously cared. But the outraged community isn't
Speaker 2: the breaking community. It's everyone else who thinks it's such
Speaker 2: an injustice that we were embarrassed.
Speaker 3: At the Olympics.
Speaker 2: And that to me is funny, Like I think, if
Speaker 2: you're that mad about it, but you didn't care about
Speaker 2: breaking three weeks ago, you need to go and touch grass.
Speaker 2: The thing that I find the funniest about this is
Speaker 2: that there were amazing breakers in this competition. So Amy Yuasa,
Speaker 2: she's from Japan, she won. The woman who came second
Speaker 2: was from Lithuania. They were incredible, but their performances have
Speaker 2: been completely outshone by the person who came last.
Speaker 3: Well, this is so disappointing for them.
Speaker 1: But this is where it gets interesting and the conversation
Speaker 1: gets a little bit deeper and a little bit more serious.
Speaker 1: It's not that if the Australian breaking community isn't a
Speaker 1: leite or isn't big. There are plenty of people that
Speaker 1: are wonderful and incredibly talented breakers in Australia. But it
Speaker 1: goes into a deeper cultural level. A lot of the
Speaker 1: breaking community didn't want breaking to be an Olympic sport.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, interesting you say that, because last night I
Speaker 4: did a very big deep dive as you mentioned. Laura
Speaker 4: rachel Gunn Raygun is an academic. She teaches at the
Speaker 4: Maccuora University and she has published articles on this And
Speaker 4: I just want to try and make this distinction clear.
Speaker 4: When you publish a scientific article, like a peer reviewed
Speaker 4: article or a paper, those terms are kind of using interchangeably.
Speaker 4: That doesn't just mean that you write something and that
Speaker 4: you send it to an editor and it gets posted.
Speaker 1: It's not like news dot com, it's not like daily mail.
Speaker 4: These things go through other academics, they are reviewed, and
Speaker 4: they are you know, it's actually quite expensive to do
Speaker 4: this type of research. And personally, I felt as though
Speaker 4: I took a really different turn once I learned this information.
Speaker 4: I initially was like, this is so entertaining, This is
Speaker 4: so great. She got the whole world talking about this sport. Genius,
Speaker 4: this is her area of research. Incredible, She's literally done
Speaker 4: something that has achieved the purpose of getting this sport
Speaker 4: out to the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and saying that I don't know if people from
Speaker 2: the breaking community would love that. The reason why it's
Speaker 2: on a stage and a world platform something've spoken about
Speaker 2: is because people are laughing at it.
Speaker 4: This is where things got much more interesting to me.
Speaker 4: So two particular papers that one was published in June
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three that was called the Australian Breaking and
Speaker 4: the Olympic Games, The Possibilities and Politics of Sportification. There
Speaker 4: is another paper that she is the main author of
Speaker 4: called the Ethics of Living a Double Life, Rethinking ownership,
Speaker 4: authenticity and identity in Hip hop culture. Now she's the
Speaker 4: main author of both of those papers. So other people
Speaker 4: have contributed, but she's the main person who's put that
Speaker 4: research together. That paper specifically says, in this article we
Speaker 4: examine how Australian breakers have responded to and made sense
Speaker 4: of breaking becoming an Olympic sport. We have identified three
Speaker 4: key themes that underscore these responses. They are legitimacy, culture
Speaker 4: and agency. And the two that I'd like to focus
Speaker 4: on are legitimacy and culture. So the culture of breaking
Speaker 4: originated in the Bronx. It was predominantly by people of colour,
Speaker 4: of African American descent or Puerto Rican kids. It was
Speaker 4: bi marginalized groups to foster a sense of community and
Speaker 4: so a lot of the breaking community this underground world
Speaker 4: that's where breaking started and it was kind of a
Speaker 4: place for them to have a way to express themselves,
Speaker 4: to resolve conflict. That kind of thing they have expressed
Speaker 4: in her own research that they.
Speaker 1: Don't think that it becoming an Olympic.
Speaker 4: Sport gives respect to the cultural significance of the dance style.
Speaker 3: Well because it also commercializes it.
Speaker 2: That was the big debate around this was that by
Speaker 2: becoming an Olympic sport, it takes away the cultural essence
Speaker 2: of what of the expression and how it originated.
Speaker 1: It sanitizes it.
Speaker 4: Right if you attach a commercial element to it, you
Speaker 4: kind of take away the point of why this was
Speaker 4: created to begin with. Another thing that she said in
Speaker 4: the second paper that I mentioned was ethics of who
Speaker 4: can access and transverse hip hop's hierarchies of authority, and
Speaker 4: my opinion of that research was that she felt as
Speaker 4: though she was excluded from the higher respect levels of
Speaker 4: the breaking community, specifically because she was white, she was Australian,
Speaker 4: and she was female.
Speaker 1: I find that interesting because I have some friends that
Speaker 1: are huge in the breaking community.
Speaker 3: It's like so random to me, Britt, Like.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people. So he was a
Speaker 1: friend at school, bit older than me, so I'm talking
Speaker 1: a long time, twenty years ago. He's been doing this.
Speaker 1: He's Australian and then he got married and had kids.
Speaker 1: He's a bit older than me now and the kids
Speaker 1: are huge in the breaking community. They traveled to competitions
Speaker 1: and they are one's a girl, one's a boy, and
Speaker 1: they are half Australian, half Hawaiian. But they have been
Speaker 1: wholeheartedly accepted and embraced by the breaking community of all ethnicities,
Speaker 1: like all around the world. So I find that I
Speaker 1: do find that an interesting point.
Speaker 4: Just of like what I have seen. Yeah, and that
Speaker 4: is my perspective of her research. She also did include
Speaker 4: the contrast of these perspectives as well, so she included
Speaker 4: the fact that a lot of the people in the
Speaker 4: breaking community were excited about it becoming a part of
Speaker 4: the Olympics.
Speaker 1: But I just don't know if you can.
Speaker 4: Be the most researched person on the planet in this field,
Speaker 4: examine people's concerns over the legitimacy and the cultural aspect
Speaker 4: of breaking, and then take those concerns and get out
Speaker 4: there do the sprinkler and the kangaroo. To me, it
Speaker 4: just isn't congruent. It doesn't seem to make sense to
Speaker 4: me that you would be respecting those people's criticisms, doing
Speaker 4: research on it, publishing the research, and.
Speaker 1: Then going out and doing that type of performance. I
Speaker 1: get that, but that's my point. She is so aware
Speaker 1: of it, so this would have been a very considered decision,
Speaker 1: and there are just as many people in the breaking
Speaker 1: community that wanted this to be included for the right
Speaker 1: reasons and for awareness as there were people that didn't
Speaker 1: want it to be included in terms of the culture.
Speaker 1: I completely agree, but I think what we saw her
Speaker 1: try to do is bring her culture into it. In
Speaker 1: a way, I think that's her trying to show the
Speaker 1: respect to like I get that this dance is layered
Speaker 1: with culture and history, and I'm thinking that she was
Speaker 1: making a really conscious effort to be patriotic and bring
Speaker 1: her culture into that. We have to take into consideration
Speaker 1: that this woman has dedicated her life to the study,
Speaker 1: so has to have made a decision based on that.
Speaker 1: Whether it was the right one or not is not
Speaker 1: for us to judge, but it's different to someone that
Speaker 1: just came off the street to do it. Like you
Speaker 1: have to consider the fact that she has dedicated years
Speaker 1: upon years of studying nothing but the breaking community.
Speaker 2: As much as there's been so many memes because we
Speaker 2: love to MEMI five things in Australia that have come
Speaker 2: off the back of this, there has been a much
Speaker 2: more serious conversation that's come to light in the last
Speaker 2: couple of days.
Speaker 3: And I also think it's the.
Speaker 2: Reason why the feelings around ray Gun have shifted, especially
Speaker 2: in Australian media. Australia's Chef de mission in Paris, her
Speaker 2: name is Adam Mears. She came out and gave a
Speaker 2: statement around the backlash that Raygun was receiving. And this
Speaker 2: really had to do with the sexism and misogyny that
Speaker 2: she sees is loaded into the criticism that Raygun is receiving.
Speaker 3: This is what she had to say.
Speaker 5: If you don't know Rachel's story in two thousand and eight,
Speaker 5: she was locked in a room crying being involved in
Speaker 5: a maldominated sport as the only woman, and it took
Speaker 5: great courage for her to continue on and fight for
Speaker 5: her opportunity to participate in a sport that she loved
Speaker 5: and that got her to winning the Olympic qualifying event
Speaker 5: to be here in Paris. She is the best breakdancer
Speaker 5: female that we have for Australia.
Speaker 2: She also went on to say, now you look at
Speaker 2: the history of what we have had as women athletes
Speaker 2: and what we have faced in terms of criticism, belittlement,
Speaker 2: judgment and simple comments like they shouldn't be here. I've
Speaker 2: really thought about this because I was like, I don't
Speaker 2: know how I feel about this statement, only because I
Speaker 2: would understand if the overall caliber of the female competitors
Speaker 2: was the same as Reagun and people were saying, Okay,
Speaker 2: well this is embarrassing, but I think it almost belittles
Speaker 2: the entire competition because there were incredible female breakers in
Speaker 2: that who were not limited by their ability or access
Speaker 2: to the sports. Maybe the culture within Australia is very
Speaker 2: different and it has been limiting for Reagun.
Speaker 3: I'm not a breaker.
Speaker 4: I do not know what it is like to be
Speaker 4: a female in that sport in this country. The only
Speaker 4: thing about this kind of was like, I don't know
Speaker 4: if I agree with it, and then it kind of
Speaker 4: sits a bit weird for me. Is this idea that
Speaker 4: feels a little bit like false victimhood. And there's been
Speaker 4: a lot of media outlets that have been comparing Raygun
Speaker 4: to Eric the Eel. Now, you guys might remember Eric
Speaker 4: the Eel who is iconic. So at the two thousand
Speaker 4: Olympics in Sydney, Eric the Eel swam the one hundred
Speaker 4: meter race.
Speaker 3: He set a time.
Speaker 2: It was a one hundred meters, but he set the
Speaker 2: slowest time on record, which was one minute and fifty
Speaker 2: two seconds. But the reason why this is iconic is
Speaker 2: because he also won his heat in that race. So
Speaker 2: the reason why I think this is very very different
Speaker 2: is because this was a special heat that was put
Speaker 2: together for athletes who were unable to access training facilities
Speaker 2: because of being impoverished or disadvantaged. So he came from
Speaker 2: the Equatorial Guinea. He had never seen a fifty meter
Speaker 2: pool prior to rocking up at the Olympics. He had
Speaker 2: trained only in the one only twins to meet a
Speaker 2: pool that existed in the country and learned. He learned
Speaker 2: to swim in a creek that also had crocodiles in it.
Speaker 3: So I don't think it's to make his quick.
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable that he even had the capacity to learn
Speaker 2: to swim, let alone. The rags to Riches's story about
Speaker 2: how he made it to the Olympics, it was and
Speaker 2: I remember watching the race. Every single person in the
Speaker 2: Aquatic Center and the Homebush Olympics was screaming. They were
Speaker 2: up cheering for him. The other two people in his
Speaker 2: race were disqualified, and that's because they both did a
Speaker 2: false start. And the other two people that were in
Speaker 2: that race were Cariimba from Nigeria and fukud Oripov who's
Speaker 2: from Tajikistan. So it was a completely different race. And
Speaker 2: that's why when I was seeing these comparisons being drawn,
Speaker 2: I was like, I think that's a really tough thing
Speaker 2: that we are doing because I don't think that she
Speaker 2: is a victim. I don't think that Regan is oppressed.
Speaker 2: I don't think that she has come from a minority beyond, yes,
Speaker 2: maybe being the small female population. But I don't think
Speaker 2: that we can draw the same parallels because one person
Speaker 2: is and has been far more severely disadvantaged, and that's
Speaker 2: why the world got behind them. I don't think it
Speaker 2: was because of sex, and that's really important. I don't
Speaker 2: think it's because one's female one's male. On the other
Speaker 2: side of that, I agree that women have had at
Speaker 2: heart in sport.
Speaker 1: We know that, like that is a fact. We have
Speaker 1: struggled and we don't get paid the same and we
Speaker 1: are ridiculed, and that is the history of women in sport.
Speaker 1: I made a comparison also to Eric the Eel, but
Speaker 1: I did in a different way. I'm not doing it
Speaker 1: in the sense of and I said it to you two.
Speaker 1: I didn't do it in the sense of victimhood, look
Speaker 1: where they've come from. I did it in the sense
Speaker 1: of I think Keisha maybe made the comment where she
Speaker 1: said she shouldn't be there, she's not good enough, and
Speaker 1: I said, well, she is good enough because she was
Speaker 1: the best in her country. Like Eric the Eel. We
Speaker 1: all know Eric the Eel was never going to go
Speaker 1: and win that race, like win the Olympics. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you cannot deny the fact that he was the best
Speaker 1: in his country. And that's what the Olympics are. If
Speaker 1: you can compete to be the best in your country,
Speaker 1: you don't have to be the best in the world.
Speaker 1: This is what the Olympics is weeding out. But if
Speaker 1: you make the best in your country, for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: I think you should be allowed to go and have
Speaker 1: your chance. Raygun did not hurt a soul. She went
Speaker 1: out there and had the fucking time of her life.
Speaker 1: It is a dream for her. She wore the green
Speaker 1: and gold, she was patriotic, She's dedicated her life to this.
Speaker 1: She was like, why wouldn't I take the chance to
Speaker 1: present my country? And for that I just think well done.
Speaker 4: I think that's a very interesting point you said, because
Speaker 4: one of the other criticisms that people on the internet
Speaker 4: are having is that she's taken this opportunity away from
Speaker 4: someone else, right, so someone else might have had a
Speaker 4: dream of going and representing Australia in the breaking for
Speaker 4: the first time it's ever been included in the Olympics,
Speaker 4: and she took that opportunity from them.
Speaker 2: But she did it because she competed in a trial.
Speaker 2: I don't know where were they.
Speaker 4: That's kind of what I mean, Like, I think that
Speaker 4: that is not a fair criticism. But I am intrigued
Speaker 4: as to whether you think the amount of trolling, the
Speaker 4: type of trolling, and the type of commentary about it
Speaker 4: or even criticism, do you think that's gender.
Speaker 2: I think it is very, very, very challenging to put
Speaker 2: a number on it. I know that she's experienced criticism
Speaker 2: for lots of things, not just her performance, but also
Speaker 2: the choice that she made to wear the Australian tracksuit.
Speaker 2: I think Australia did her dirty, like she looked like
Speaker 2: she was wearing a lawn bowls outfit or she was
Speaker 2: going to play cricket. Like I understand why the outfit
Speaker 2: didn't fit the type of war that I think most
Speaker 2: people in the breaking community would normally wear.
Speaker 1: It didn't give cricket. It really exuded like T twenty.
Speaker 3: It really exuded cricket or lawn bowls.
Speaker 2: But the problem with that is is I also understand
Speaker 2: the patriotism of her still wanting to choose to wear it.
Speaker 2: So that is almost once again the Australian Olympic organizers
Speaker 2: not understanding the sport of which they've put athletes into.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we had our male breaker, Jay Attack, who
Speaker 1: competed also who also wore the Olympic get up, like
Speaker 1: he chose to wear that because some of them were streetwear.
Speaker 1: But he also chose to wear it and no one
Speaker 1: trolled him, so I think different.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't have a collar, it doesn't look as
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say, I'm so sorry. I know that this
Speaker 4: sounds horrible because I pointed out a lot of the criticisms.
Speaker 1: It looks really nerdy. It doesn't look streets like she's
Speaker 1: up there fashion.
Speaker 2: I totally understand that, but I think it is important
Speaker 2: because people are gonna draw this comparison. They're gonna say
Speaker 2: he didn't receive feedback she did. The thing that I
Speaker 2: think makes that outfit look daggier is the fact that
Speaker 2: it is a collared shirt, which really does pertain to
Speaker 2: sort of like a lawn bowls or like a cricket.
Speaker 2: Like we've said, his outfit, even though it's the Australian one,
Speaker 2: it's a different type of uniform. And I think the
Speaker 2: big question is what you ask Kesh is like does
Speaker 2: the trolling come back to being gendered? And it's almost
Speaker 2: too hard to tell. I think a lot of the
Speaker 2: love and now the adoration and she's the queen is
Speaker 2: also because it's gendered. And I think of people like
Speaker 2: Stephen Bradbury. At least he made it to the final, right,
Speaker 2: he was in the final race, so he was still
Speaker 2: one of the top ten in his sport. Yes he
Speaker 2: won when he was like coming last because everyone fell over,
Speaker 2: but that's been a meme that's been running for twenty years.
Speaker 2: So I'm like he received that criticism unrelenting. People still
Speaker 2: use it as a reference for like pipping someone to
Speaker 2: the end as a win, you know. So I don't
Speaker 2: know if we can bring gender into this, and I
Speaker 2: might get absolutely flamed for that because I think a
Speaker 2: lot of media at the moment is saying that this
Speaker 2: is very, very gendered. And I would say often I'm
Speaker 2: the person in this podcast that points out the gender
Speaker 2: discrimination or the gender indifference. But I think in this instance,
Speaker 2: we are comparing females with females, We are comparing women
Speaker 2: against women. It was a woman's competition in sport, and
Speaker 2: she was at the bottom against all the other incredible
Speaker 2: female athletes, And so I don't know if in that instance,
Speaker 2: in the Olympics as a whole, we can say that
Speaker 2: the criticism that she's receiving is gendered. I think it's
Speaker 2: based on a reflection of who she's competing against.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is a role reversal Fee and I Laura,
Speaker 1: But I think a lot of it has to do
Speaker 1: with gender for sure, when we won't know, But I
Speaker 1: don't believe well makes you think that. I just don't
Speaker 1: believe that if a male did that, the reaction would
Speaker 1: be the same. I think it would be like what
Speaker 1: a fucking legend, like just fucking owned it, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: I like more Alarican culture. You mean, yeah, I do.
Speaker 1: I potentially think it has a lot to do with age, sex, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and very obviously her performance, like her performance was subpar,
Speaker 1: But I don't believe that ridicule in the pylon would
Speaker 1: have been as much if it was say a twenty
Speaker 1: year old male that did the performance. But I think
Speaker 1: it would be remiss of us to say it has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with agism and sexism in a smaller capacity.
Speaker 1: My favorite part of this, to be honest, is and
Speaker 1: I take my hat off to her, but it's her
Speaker 1: response because I can't be sure that I would have
Speaker 1: the same response if the world was ridiculing me and
Speaker 1: mocking me for something that I if I went out
Speaker 1: and thought I gave my best for something like I
Speaker 1: actually feel really sad for her if I thought I
Speaker 1: had performed to the best that I could and the
Speaker 1: world was mocking me the adeles of the world, like
Speaker 1: there is no one that does of the world. I
Speaker 1: know half it burns.
Speaker 4: Some of those moves were harther than I feel like
Speaker 4: I would.
Speaker 1: Go into hiding. But I I love that she just
Speaker 1: owned it and she said, guys, don't be afraid to
Speaker 1: be different. I'm me, I, you know, like I made
Speaker 1: it my own and that's what I'm doing. Like she
Speaker 1: just came out and owned it, and that kind cannot
Speaker 1: have been easy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with this, and I think that that
Speaker 2: is the reason why the conversation around her has shifted
Speaker 2: so greatly. I think it's her ability to be self
Speaker 2: deprecating doing the skit with the inspired unemployed, like leaning
Speaker 2: into that. That is what I think Australians love to see.
Speaker 2: It's like, you can make fun of yourself.
Speaker 3: You're an icon.
Speaker 2: You're not taking this too seriously. You're an icon and
Speaker 2: everything that she's done so far. As much as I
Speaker 2: think people have very much and were very harsh in
Speaker 2: ridiculing her around her performance, people in general are now
Speaker 2: rallying around her. Like I've seen everyone from Mum and
Speaker 2: Mia to pedestrian to like fashion critical. Everyone is calling
Speaker 2: her an icon now and it's because of her reaction
Speaker 2: to this criticism, and I think that that is something
Speaker 2: that's probably way more aspirational than her actual performance themselves.
Speaker 2: But I would love to see because I think that
Speaker 2: like every wedding, every twenty first, there's gonna be someone
Speaker 2: now in the fucking like kangaroo hop No, the sprinklet Well,
Speaker 2: we're already doing that, but we're gonna do it with
Speaker 2: a bit of raygunflare.
Speaker 1: Now I might go as her for Halloween. He shot
Speaker 1: to be fair.
Speaker 4: I actually do tip my hat to her because I
Speaker 4: had no idea about the history. Like you said, Laura,
Speaker 4: I had no idea about any of this stuff. I
Speaker 4: didn't know about the cultural impacts of it.
Speaker 1: And now I do.
Speaker 4: If that's something that she has created for the world,
Speaker 4: well done.
Speaker 1: That is how you know you have made it. If
Speaker 1: somebody can dress up as you for Halloween and just
Speaker 1: rock up to a party and everyone knows who you are,
Speaker 1: then you've made it. Well it's time for accidentally unfiltered.
Speaker 1: Last night, my partner and I were getting it on,
Speaker 1: and for context, he always jokes that I don't like
Speaker 1: getting on top and I never do it so long
Speaker 1: and behold, I jumped on top. I was doing my
Speaker 1: thing when he raises his hand up or kid has.
Speaker 2: A question, Yeah, like open palm, excuse me, miss, I
Speaker 2: have a question.
Speaker 1: I think he's impressed with me going on top and
Speaker 1: having a good time. He's throwing out a high five,
Speaker 1: so I give him a high five back. He looks
Speaker 1: at me confused. Turns out he was going for a
Speaker 1: little titty slap and instead I five did him and
Speaker 1: completely ruined the mood.
Speaker 3: Who slaps a titty?
Speaker 1: Heaps of people give a little titty thing slash like.
Speaker 2: You don't hold You don't hold your hand up long
Speaker 2: enough to smack your titty, Like, how could you confuse
Speaker 2: a little like grab or something? I'm sorry, that's on him.
Speaker 2: I think she was enthusiastic. I think they were both
Speaker 2: too enthusiastic in this movie. If some guy, if I
Speaker 2: was on top and he went and high fived my
Speaker 2: tit like tit punched me with an open hand, I
Speaker 2: would also be confused.
Speaker 1: I'm confused about the angle me. The high five is
Speaker 1: a much higher like shoulder, and he's laying down and
Speaker 1: she's on top, so he would have gone like this,
Speaker 1: he's on his back, he would have lifted his hand.
Speaker 1: He's not bringing up in the air.
Speaker 4: I have never ever in my life been on top
Speaker 4: and had someone open palm slap my tit.
Speaker 1: I've needed someone to hold it support.
Speaker 3: So they couldtop bouncing around, smacking you in the face.
Speaker 1: You should knock someone out so they have to hold
Speaker 1: a booon.
Speaker 2: I remember the only time that I have like vivid
Speaker 2: memories of high fiving someone after sex was Matt and
Speaker 2: I'm convinced it was when I got pregnant. I high
Speaker 2: fived him after la because I was like just a
Speaker 2: good organic, like that's how you make a baby. No,
Speaker 2: we were trying to make a baby, and then we
Speaker 2: high fived, and I'm pretty certain that that was the
Speaker 2: time that we made.
Speaker 3: Lola, that's how you make a baby.
Speaker 1: Yeah five ben Fish pumped like pumped them fist pumped
Speaker 1: over how good the sex was? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Over loll done when you did good?
Speaker 1: When you when you just nail it, like sometimes it's
Speaker 1: just like perfection.
Speaker 2: That's how I felt up to the city to surf.
Speaker 2: I high five mat after that, I was like, the
Speaker 2: job well done. Sucking sweet, what's gonna suck.
Speaker 5: For the roof?
Speaker 1: Mine suck for the week. And it is a big
Speaker 1: update that you've all been waiting for. Delilah is officially
Speaker 1: kicked out of her dog school. So it happened. The
Speaker 1: probation period is over and she did not make what happened? Wait,
Speaker 1: I need to know she doesn't know how to ride
Speaker 1: in the car. She doesn't ride in the car with
Speaker 1: other dogs very well. No, Yeah, she's a menace. That's literally.
Speaker 1: I did also see video evidence. It was not good.
Speaker 1: So she's out. She's out. It's really sad. It was
Speaker 1: I and Jody message. She was really sad. She's like,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a breakup, and I was like,
Speaker 1: it is a breakup. I was like, you've we've all
Speaker 1: three of us have been together for like three years now.
Speaker 3: Dumb to me. Jody is britz walker dog walker, one
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 1: She doesn't take walks on the lead. Jody's Brits Walker.
Speaker 1: She puts the started caller on her next down the street.
Speaker 1: You were appreciate she's she's a britzkimp. No, she's been
Speaker 1: amazing And this is not on Jody at all. It's
Speaker 1: it's too much to obviously manage, and I have been
Speaker 1: trying to work on it. Now people might know this
Speaker 1: and be able to help me, but it has gotten worse.
Speaker 1: She's been with there for three years. Delilah's just turned three,
Speaker 1: so she's been with there for two or a bit years. Sorry,
Speaker 1: Delilah's just turned three, and it has gotten worse in
Speaker 1: the last six months. It's almost like Delilah's going into
Speaker 1: a regression.
Speaker 3: So Delilah's a teenager now she's Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'd love to know if this isn't actual, because they
Speaker 1: do have a regression at like one one and a half,
Speaker 1: So I'm wondering if there's another one now because it's
Speaker 1: just it's just happening out of the blue. So that's
Speaker 1: my suck. I genuinely was upset, like I felt like
Speaker 1: a parent whose child was like running out of control
Speaker 1: and that she couldn't control it. That's how I felt.
Speaker 1: And I was embarrassed. I was like, I'm so sorry
Speaker 1: for her behavior.
Speaker 3: Humiliated.
Speaker 1: I was humiliated, chore because now Brn's like west Atta.
Speaker 3: She's so naughty. She got kicked out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's it was a really sad day. So
Speaker 1: it's it's hard.
Speaker 3: It's been really hard for me. Okay, what's your suite.
Speaker 1: My sweet for the week was I decided on a
Speaker 1: wedding planner. So we've officially got the wedding planner in
Speaker 1: and they have locked in some venues for us to
Speaker 1: look at, and I just feel like immediately a weight
Speaker 1: taken off my shoulder. Laura and I were having a
Speaker 1: joke the other day because you guys might remember when
Speaker 1: Laura got her initial wedding planner and they were a scammer.
Speaker 1: She's scared, she was a scamed I've forgotten about this.
Speaker 2: I probably haven't told you guys. I can't even remember
Speaker 2: if I told you the whole story or not, because
Speaker 2: I think at the time it was no it was
Speaker 2: still happening.
Speaker 4: It was like I think they were still involved with
Speaker 4: actual plans and you wanted them to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I couldn't.
Speaker 2: I couldn't tell what was happening because I think she
Speaker 2: was still in business.
Speaker 3: But yeah, we booked a.
Speaker 1: Let's save it, we do it on Tuesday, let's come
Speaker 1: back to.
Speaker 3: Your wedding planner.
Speaker 2: And she ended up being a scam artist on multiple levels.
Speaker 1: That's a whole nother story.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about it next week. Okay, I can update
Speaker 3: you on that anyway.
Speaker 2: My suck for the week, to be honest, I almost
Speaker 2: want to say I don't have a suck this week
Speaker 2: because in comparison to the last couple of weeks, and like,
Speaker 2: we're still there's a lot at the moment that we're
Speaker 2: working through as a family. But I think so, look,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say a suck because it feels
Speaker 2: really insignificant to all the big things that have been happening.
Speaker 2: But I have a sweep for the week, and that
Speaker 2: is that on Saturday, my mum hasn't really been up
Speaker 2: to Sydney in a long time because she's been caring
Speaker 2: for Neil and she's been down in Wollongong, And every
Speaker 2: time we've had to see Mom, we've had to travel
Speaker 2: down there and we've been spending heaps of time in Woongong.
Speaker 2: But Saturday Mom came up. She spent some time in Sydney.
Speaker 2: We went to the farmers' markets, were doing cute things
Speaker 2: with the kids. We've organized to go on a p
Speaker 2: and O cruise together, like we're doing stuff. We're doing
Speaker 2: stuff as a family and also like to keep Mum
Speaker 2: sort of like you know, busy and her mind off it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as much as possible.
Speaker 2: So that was a really we had a really nice
Speaker 2: day and then obviously we had the city to surf
Speaker 2: on the Sunday, which was just great. I just feel
Speaker 2: like it's been a really great little family weekend and
Speaker 2: family week. That was my highlights and I love that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel like my cup is full. My cup is full.
Speaker 1: What was that?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I was like, that's all l my
Speaker 3: cup is full.
Speaker 1: Well that's it from us, guys. That was a nice
Speaker 1: finish for Laura. Thank you.
Speaker 3: You are so welcome my love. Guys.
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