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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os It's Monday,

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Speaker 2: the twenty sixth of June.

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Speaker 2: It's been one year since the US Supreme Court voted

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Speaker 2: to overturn Roe versus Wade, eliminating the constitutional right to

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Speaker 2: an abortion. Fifty years of a legally enshrined right to

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Speaker 3: It's never been done to write so important to so

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Speaker 2: The decision to quesh the nearly fifty year old ruling

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Speaker 2: as a result, many states immediately enforced abortion bands. Victory

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Speaker 2: has been Vindiki. I have just been so excited for

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Speaker 2: to sleep from last night. In today's deep dive, will

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Speaker 2: be joined by TVA journalist Sunny Adcock to take a

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Speaker 2: look at what's happened in the year since. But first,

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Speaker 3: Zara an absolutely massive weekend of international news. We've covered

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Speaker 2: year people. Sonny, welcome to the podcast. I'm so excited

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Speaker 2: to have you back. I'm so excited to be here again, Zara,

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Speaker 2: thanks for having me so. This past weekend just marked

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Speaker 4: So, looking back at what Roe v. Wade actually was,

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Speaker 4: It found that the fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution actually

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Speaker 4: mean that abortion was no longer under the Criminal Code

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Speaker 2: That's definitely one to keep our eye on. As I said,

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Speaker 2: is still developments in this space here in Australia. Sonny,

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